NFT: Post lottery Knicks/NBA talk.

I had no idea it was even on last night. Whoops.

I'd be plenty happy with Lowry on a short deal if there are no "big" moves coming.

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I had no idea it was even on last night. Whoops.

First time in 7 years.
Weird feeling not being disappointed on lottery night

In comment 15292617 Mike from SI said:

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I'd be plenty happy with Lowry on a short deal if there are no "big" moves coming.

Gotta think they let him walk getting the 4 pick. Jalen Green is expected to be the pick.
Would he take a big 1 year deal or 2 with an option?

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I had no idea it was even on last night. Whoops.

I still wanted to punch that guy pulling the cards (Mark Tatum?) in the face. But I agree, I felt like there was a lot less attention paid to it without Twitter being able to clown the Knicks on dropping, though maybe I'm paranoid.

We low balled Shaq in FA, traded Penny for Pat Garrity and Danny Manning, traded prime T-Mac for a washed Steve Francis, traded D12 to LA for nothing, traded Oladipo AND Sabonis for Serge Ibaka! Now we traded Vuc for the 8th pick which isn't too bad but God damn it im tired of my favorite basketball team... I wanted 1 and 5 but we get 5 and 8, figures, we'll suck forever. Might as well trade for Ben Simmons, we can fix 76er #1 overall draft picks if anything. Rant over.

Knicks haven't moved up in the lottery in 30+ years, and it sucks to have to pin your hopes on that. Kuminga and someone like Davion Mitchell wouldn't be the worst thing though.

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It was only a matter of time before he was hired. People seem to love him.

Earl seems like a Thibs player to me. I would love to grab Garuba
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In comment 15292676 DanMetroMan said:

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Earl seems like a Thibs player to me. I would love to grab Garuba Link - ( New Window )

I like both but with Randle and Toppin can you play either at center?
I know you don't draft for need but I would be pretty disappointed if we don't get either a 3-D wing and/or PG.
I would take a true center to play next to Randle also .

Josh Giddey
Can't jump, not great speed, generally not a killer athlete.
But he looks like he can play basketball. If he's around when the knicks pick he might be worth the gamble.

If TOR moves on, him at 2/50 seems very reasonable. Miami might be interested too and can have cap space. PHL also could be interested but less obvious how they would get him (presumably sign and trade).

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In comment 15292617 Mike from SI said: Quote: I'd be plenty happy with Lowry on a short deal if there are no "big" moves coming. Gotta think they let him walk getting the 4 pick. Jalen Green is expected to be the pick. Would he take a big 1 year deal or 2 with an option?

By "option" do you mean player option or team option?

I asked last night in the other thread b/c I wasn't sure: are there "option" years that can be both? i.e. both the player and team have to opt in? Seems like that might be attractive to Lowry for the 2nd year. If the numbers and guaranteed $ are big enough.

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I had no idea it was even on last night. Whoops.

Wasn't it nice to not even realize?

PROGRESS!

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In comment 15292676 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Earl seems like a Thibs player to me. I would love to grab Garuba Link - ( New Window ) I like both but with Randle and Toppin can you play either at center? I know you don't draft for need but I would be pretty disappointed if we don't get either a 3-D wing and/or PG. I would take a true center to play next to Randle also .

I think Garuba has a shot to be a pretty high level defensive player (who has also shown 3 point range AND the ability to handle). It's quite obvious the Knicks have multiple needs but they also are clearly not a high level team in terms of athletes or man defenders. Garuba is a 3-4-5. Where the Knicks pick you have to go BPA or you risk drafting a complete slug because you reached,



2021 Draft Profile - Usman Garuba
Kyle Boone CBS Sports - June 21st: "Garuba is a smidge undersized as an NBA center but categorized as a "big" and looking at his production overseas, there's a lot to like about his NBA upside, particularly as a defender."

Chad Ford - NBA Big Board - June 18: "Garuba shows promise as a high-motor, athletic big who can rebound and defend. He has a chance to be the best defensive big man in this draft."

NBA Draft Room - June 18th: "The high energy defender and rebounder who has an emerging offensive game."

Ricky O'Donnell SB Nation - June 17: "Garuba is one of the best defensive prospects in this class as a burly forward who is light on his feet and can stick with a variety of different types of players."

Tyler Byrum and Chase Hughes NBC Sports - June 14: "Offensive limitations are preventing Garuba from getting into the lottery range. Most of his scoring comes from dunks and buckets around the rim. He has shown promise from establishing a shot, but not nearly enough."

Kevin O'Connor The Ringer - June: "Switchable defender with the bulk to handle bigger players and the agility to match up against quicker wings and even guards. He’s aware and does a good job of using his hands to shut passing windows."

Jonathan Givony ESPN - May 25: "Garuba, one of the most intense and versatile defenders in this draft class."

Knicks obviously need a PG but the smart play is take the BPA's, load up on young talent (and trade chips) and remain patient. The oldest player signed through next season is Norvel Pelle

not a bold stance to take, but I'd be outright stunned if we keep 19,21 and 32. I honestly bet we package all 3.

In comment 15292707 Jon in NYC said:

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not a bold stance to take, but I'd be outright stunned if we keep 19,21 and 32. I honestly bet we package all 3.

I've heard from a solid source/writer the expectation is the Knicks are 100% going to be packaging picks, that Kevin Knox is "gone" if anybody offers even a 2nd or their Knox and that the Knicks remain high on Obi. I asked about Vildoza and got "somebody with the Knicks obviously likes him but there are FO members who barely seem to know who he even is". So it sounds like he was somebodies pet project etc (doesn't mean he won't be good).

If nothing else, we'll be involved in every trade and free agent rumor out there, even if it is just #knicksforclicks or agents trying to drum up interest.

My expectations are modest - just get a legit starting PG and find bench upgrades for guys like Knox and Frank. Hopefully Vildoza is one piece to that puzzle. My hope is to stay in that 4-6 range of the playoff bracket next season.

imo, assuming that we get to keep some of our own FA.

Starting pg, good-sized 3 who can shoot, and backup center who can shoot. With decent luck, we get one of the first two in the draft after trading up and the other in FA or a trade.

I suspect that there is a decent chance that we package our two first-round picks to move up, but possibly hang on to the 32nd pick. There are often lots of back-up centers floating around at that point in the draft. Shooting guards, too.

In comment 15292696 nygiants16 said:

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Wow. Looks like Lacob REALLY wants Steph to stick around...there's a weird vibe there between Steph & Lacob from all accounts.

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In comment 15292696 nygiants16 said: Quote: BA Central @TheNBACentral Warriors owner Joe Lacob responds to rumors that LeBron James has been recruiting Stephen Curry to Lakers “Look, Steph Curry, if he really wanted to leave at the end of his contract, he’s a free agent, he’s earned the right, he can do it." Wow. Looks like Lacob REALLY wants Steph to stick around...there's a weird vibe there between Steph & Lacob from all accounts.

Steph should get a 5 year max deal and there should be no debate

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In comment 15292617 Mike from SI said: Quote: I'd be plenty happy with Lowry on a short deal if there are no "big" moves coming. Gotta think they let him walk getting the 4 pick. Jalen Green is expected to be the pick. Would he take a big 1 year deal or 2 with an option?

I think it will be Jalen Suggs.

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BA Central @TheNBACentral Warriors owner Joe Lacob responds to rumors that LeBron James has been recruiting Stephen Curry to Lakers “Look, Steph Curry, if he really wanted to leave at the end of his contract, he’s a free agent, he’s earned the right, he can do it."

Screw LeFraud. The best part about what’s happening right now in the playoffs is that 3 of the 4 teams are mostly teams built up through the draft with a few shrewd additions mixed in. It gives me hope as a Knicks fan. But for LeFraud, because of what HE started, thinks he now needs to add Steph Curry to himself and AD to win a championship. GOAT my ass. Maybe convince Doncic to ask for LA too? Would that help LeBron win another “title”? Disgusting.

it is dowm to Billups or Dantoni for Portland

Trae is gonna struggle trying to run the pick & roll against Holiday and Giannis. Holiday in general will be tough, and if it's Lopez instead of Giannis Trae at least has a chance, but not Holiday and Giannis. Holiday has elite lateral quickness, and Giannis isn't gonna back up like Embiid did because he has more quickness than Embiid. I thought Simmons and Embiid were a great combo to guard Trae/Capela/Collins in that pick and roll, and they did a good job, but not good enough. I think Holiday and Giannis will be better. And if you take away that float/lob game from Trae, he doesn't have much in terms of scoring. He's a 33% 3-shooter, he's not beating the Bucks with his 3s. He can facilitate and try to beat them that way but are the Hawks really going to win a 7 game series without that deadly pick & roll float/lob game working for them? I don't see it.

I’ve heard him compared to Lou Will, but he’s a better shooter so I think he has an even higher ceiling than that. His floater game is also on point. He really needs to attack the rim more though, that would open up his game and make him a 3 level scorer which is so valuable against good defenses.

That the Knicks will either bundle picks to move up or use picks in a trade. No way does Thibs want three rookies to add to all the young players the Knicks already have.

They have a long list of guys 26 and under: Randle, RJ. Robinson, Quick, Obi, Knox, Frank (if they bring him back), and Luca. Eight guys. It wouldn’t surprise me if they traded all of the picks to avoiding a rookie to the roster.

In comment 15292902 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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I’ve heard him compared to Lou Will, but he’s a better shooter so I think he has an even higher ceiling than that. His floater game is also on point. He really needs to attack the rim more though, that would open up his game and make him a 3 level scorer which is so valuable against good defenses.

If he's Lou Will, we've hit a HR.

Lacob is a pretty arrogant SOB. If memory holds, I think he's been the Dubs owner since 2009 or 2010. He also was the dude who bragged to the NYT that the Warriors were 'light years' ahead of the rest of the NBA. The Warriors have a great fan base, but a lot of their diehards have been priced out over the years & now especially with them being at Chase.

48 inch max vertical

Trae Young with 48 points and 17 assists. He has completely flipped the script on the Luka trade - I’ve considered it a fleecing in favor of the Mavs, but not anymore.

AGAIN.

Damn I can't stand Tre Young.
This has been a weird NBA season.

Didn’t think he had this in him right now. Kid is a killer.

I’d still bet everything on the Bucks this series but what Trae did to Jrue and the Bucks tonight was something else.

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Trae Young with 48 points and 17 assists. He has completely flipped the script on the Luka trade - I’ve considered it a fleecing in favor of the Mavs, but not anymore.

He’s playing great, but his team shockingly has more talent than the Mavs.

amazing how these hawks games have been so compelling.

Why do I keep seeing trade proposals with Frank in them from writers. Isn’t he a free agent unless they make him the qualifying offer which is like $8 or $9 million?

Playoffs have been fun.

is a horrible coach. McMillan has been making everyone his bitch in these playoffs.

I hate Trae Young and the Hawks more than any team I've ever hated at a single time. I hate them so much. I do think if they make it to the Finals the Suns will dispose of them, but I've been saying that about every team they move onto next for the last 3 series and I seem to be wrong every time. They do flat out play hard for 48 minutes in the postseason. I wish I could've said the same thing for the Knicks (other than Rose and Taj of course).

By the way-- Middleton is brutal. How the hell is he a 2x all star? He just seems to have like 1 good game every 10 games and yet he's still considered the 2nd banana on the Bucks and is one of their main offensive staples. He doesn't get enough criticism when the Bucks struggle. Like I know he shoots like 28% on the road, but if you're a good "home" player you have to at least show up at home in the ECF. HE was the difference. Giannis did fine and I had no problem with his approach to this game and how he played. Holiday had an incredible game. All Middleton had to do have an average night and the Bucks win. Instead of course he had to make up for Giannis and Holiday having decent nights by being absolutely awful. Actually just looked it up he did literally shoot 28%.

Holiday had a great game OFFENSIVELY. Not so great defensively, but 1) who does have a good game against Trae defensively, 2) I still blame Budenholzer to some extent for being such a simpleton.

The Hawks could literally win this series on coaching alone. McMillan has proved to be a fantastic coach-- I know his guys have been playing well but it's to hard to put a finger on any real bad moves his made this postseason. He had to coach a near perfect series to beat the Sixers and he coached a perfect game tonight. On top of that Budenholzer is a horrendous basketball mind. I was thinking this would be a fairly easy gentleman's sweep for the Bucks just based on the the matchups and rosters but I wasn't considering the massive gap in the coaching.

Giannis has been pretty consistent win or loss in this postseason.

When the Bucks lose, Middleton’s numbers are horrendous. Absolutely fucking horrendous. When they win, his numbers are excellent.

Middleton shot 26% tonight. And 0/9 from 3...


0/9.

why so much hate for the Hawks? They are the anti-NBA championship blueprint, it’s awesome. I get why Young is a turnoff for people who prefer players don’t talk shit but he does, he backs it up, and you tip your cap.

This may not be great for ratings but it’s great for the game of basketball which has been largely unwatchable. Hawks are must see TV right now.

In comment 15293128 UConn4523 said:

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why so much hate for the Hawks? They are the anti-NBA championship blueprint, it’s awesome. I get why Young is a turnoff for people who prefer players don’t talk shit but he does, he backs it up, and you tip your cap. This may not be great for ratings but it’s great for the game of basketball which has been largely unwatchable. Hawks are must see TV right now.

Young is the new Reggie Miller. He's awesome and I hate him.

In comment 15293128 UConn4523 said:

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why so much hate for the Hawks? They are the anti-NBA championship blueprint, it’s awesome. I get why Young is a turnoff for people who prefer players don’t talk shit but he does, he backs it up, and you tip your cap. This may not be great for ratings but it’s great for the game of basketball which has been largely unwatchable. Hawks are must see TV right now.

its not just the shit talking, it is the constant whining yo officials, flopping all over the place, intiating the contact and getting the call every single time...

then complain ehen the other team gets the same call..

it's not just that he's a talker. Lots of guys talk. It's also because he's one of the main reasons the league is probably going to to change the rules on players drawing fouls via "unnatural motions". Good for him for exploiting existing rules, but it's not exactly endearing to fans of other teams to watch him hunt for fouls via flopping and contorting his body into defenders who are often just standing still - and then get rewarded for it.

In comment 15293146 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15293128 UConn4523 said: Quote: why so much hate for the Hawks? They are the anti-NBA championship blueprint, it’s awesome. I get why Young is a turnoff for people who prefer players don’t talk shit but he does, he backs it up, and you tip your cap. This may not be great for ratings but it’s great for the game of basketball which has been largely unwatchable. Hawks are must see TV right now. its not just the shit talking, it is the constant whining yo officials, flopping all over the place, intiating the contact and getting the call every single time... then complain ehen the other team gets the same call..

Sounds like [insert every star player here].

In comment 15293151 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 15293146 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15293128 UConn4523 said: Quote: why so much hate for the Hawks? They are the anti-NBA championship blueprint, it’s awesome. I get why Young is a turnoff for people who prefer players don’t talk shit but he does, he backs it up, and you tip your cap. This may not be great for ratings but it’s great for the game of basketball which has been largely unwatchable. Hawks are must see TV right now. its not just the shit talking, it is the constant whining yo officials, flopping all over the place, intiating the contact and getting the call every single time... then complain ehen the other team gets the same call.. Sounds like [insert every star player here].

sounds like james harden,not every player gets the calls young does, its not even close..

are going to be agressive looking for a veteran to accelerate their rebuild and are dangling their picks..

Is Rj a veteran they would be interested in?

Rj, 19,21,32 and future 1st

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are going to be agressive looking for a veteran to accelerate their rebuild and are dangling their picks.. Is Rj a veteran they would be interested in? Rj, 19,21,32 and future 1st

I wouldn't trade RJ for another pick other than maybe Cade. I know he has a ways to go but he's proven that he's a quality NBA player. Too risky to trade him for someone like Suggs imo.

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are going to be agressive looking for a veteran to accelerate their rebuild and are dangling their picks.. Is Rj a veteran they would be interested in? Rj, 19,21,32 and future 1st

But than who would you hate on in game threads?

Seriously, you don't trade that much for an unknown especially a young player that has shown he can play in this league.

rather keep RJ and trade the 3 picks this year for Davion Mitchell. Especially if he falls a bit during the process, that should be enough ammo to get to the 8-10 range.

Could even bring Rose back at that point and those two split PG duties.

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rather keep RJ and trade the 3 picks this year for Davion Mitchell. Especially if he falls a bit during the process, that should be enough ammo to get to the 8-10 range. Could even bring Rose back at that point and those two split PG duties.

a chance to get Suggs is appealing and you are saving more cap space

we need more cap space?

Who are we even definitely trying to sign? I love Norm Powell, and would love to bring him over, but there are otherwise a bunch of really flawed guys out there.

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we need more cap space? Who are we even definitely trying to sign? I love Norm Powell, and would love to bring him over, but there are otherwise a bunch of really flawed guys out there.

I guess the question is how do view rj and how do you view the top 4 in the draft

starting to think the best use of the cap space is to absorb a max contract and jump start someone else's rebuild. Going back for Beal, or Lavine, or obviously Lillard.

Some bleacher report writer proposed this which I would do in a second but does take up significant cap:

Washington Wizards receive: Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, No. 19 pick, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick (via Dallas, top-10 protected), 2024 first-round pick, 2026 first-round pick (top-eight protected)
New York Knicks receive: Bradley Beal

I would love to trade up to get him not sure that 19, 21 and 32 gets it done. The other thing that stinks is none of the teams 8-11 have any really big salary dumps unless New Orleans at 10 wants to dump adams or bledsoe.

Does 19, 21 and 32 get you to 10 if you take in adams? Would you even want adams at $17 million for 2 years to get mitchell?

I would gladly take on bledsoe but not sure if Pelicans consider him a salary dump they may want some return for him.

take Adams or Bledsoe in a salary dump. Hoping we can accomplish more with our cap space.

Deuce McBride of WVU is a guy I think will ultimately be better and will not likely require a trade up. I'd like the roster to look like this:

PG: Spencer Dinwiddie via FA 3y at 17mm per, Derrick Rose 1y 7.5mm per, Deuce McBride via draft at 19

SG: Reggie Bullock, Immanual Quickley, Josh Christopher (massively underrated by draft sites) via draft at 32

SF: RJ Barrett, Ziaire Williams via trade at 9 per trade or Mitch Robinson + pick 21 for pick 9 w Sacto Kings. Note: both RJB and ZW can play SG as well.

PF: Julius Randle w/ a 4 year 25mm per extension, Obi Toppin

C: Nerlens Noel, Kevon Looney via FA, Taj Gibson

Rose, Thibs, Perrin, Kline and a few other scouts all at the combine today

In comment 15293046 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Didn’t think he had this in him right now. Kid is a killer. I’d still bet everything on the Bucks this series but what Trae did to Jrue and the Bucks tonight was something else.

^This. What an awesome performance by Young. He's been incredible in the playoffs.

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starting to think the best use of the cap space is to absorb a max contract and jump start someone else's rebuild. Going back for Beal, or Lavine, or obviously Lillard. Some bleacher report writer proposed this which I would do in a second but does take up significant cap: Washington Wizards receive: Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, No. 19 pick, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick (via Dallas, top-10 protected), 2024 first-round pick, 2026 first-round pick (top-eight protected) New York Knicks receive: Bradley Beal

5 1sts Quickley and Toppin is just too much to give up for Beal. That's just about every last asset we have. How do we get better after that? We're pretty much married to RJ, Randle and Beal as our core. That team isn't contending to get out of the East. I know it might not be a popular opinion but I think Beal is a bit overrated. He's an elite scorer and can do other things but not really top tier at anything else. Of course I'd love him on the Knicks but getting rid of just about every draft pick and 2 young assets for him is a bit much. I'd do it for Dame but not him. I'm fine star hunting but I'd also be fine keeping a lot of assets and building something sustainable piece by piece like Atlanta, Phoenix and Utah did. Unlike the past we have top notch talent evaluators scouting so I trust them a lot more with these draft picks.

Not sure if he could take the pounding. Reggie Miller did. If he drove that lane he would have been knocked on his ass so hard he wouldn’t do it again. League needs to let teams play. I get the superstar thing but so many players are sitting games out anyway so let the defenses play. Is there any such thing as a hard foul anymore?

In comment 15293180 Jon in NYC said:

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starting to think the best use of the cap space is to absorb a max contract and jump start someone else's rebuild. Going back for Beal, or Lavine, or obviously Lillard. Some bleacher report writer proposed this which I would do in a second but does take up significant cap: Washington Wizards receive: Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, No. 19 pick, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick (via Dallas, top-10 protected), 2024 first-round pick, 2026 first-round pick (top-eight protected) New York Knicks receive: Bradley Beal

I'm sure thats what it would take and its a fair deal for Beal but its still a lot to give up. I know you are getting an all nba player, but you are essentially going all in on the core of Randle, RJ and Beal.

I'd prefer nabbing a couple good free agents this summer between Ball, Trent Jr, Barton, Powell, Collins, Graham etc. Would also be open to going after Lowry on a big but short deal.

If there is any avenue to move up to the top 4 in the draft I would be all over it. But I would bet Suggs falls right in the lap of the Raptors...

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starting to think the best use of the cap space is to absorb a max contract and jump start someone else's rebuild. Going back for Beal, or Lavine, or obviously Lillard. Some bleacher report writer proposed this which I would do in a second but does take up significant cap: Washington Wizards receive: Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, No. 19 pick, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick (via Dallas, top-10 protected), 2024 first-round pick, 2026 first-round pick (top-eight protected) New York Knicks receive: Bradley Beal

I would do this in a heartbeat.
If done this year, the Knicks would still have cap space to sign another top FA target like devonte Graham or Lonzo Ball.
I don't think Beal will be available even with this type of deal.
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with teaming Lowry and Derozan for a couple of years, and trading for a star that becomes available..

we would still have a good amount of picks including one this year (21) and our own in 23. I like IQ and i think Obi improves next year, we were already starting to see it, but you have to give to get. Even with beal wouldnt we be able to sign a pretty significant FA this offseason or next? So you wouldnt be getting Beal and have zero avenues to improve more.

is a player I'd like to get at 19. Really solid shooter, good defender, and could step in to replace which wings they may lose.

Obviously the Knicks need PG help, but the guys when they begin to pick cannot shoot (Cooper and Dosunmu) which is a non-starter in the league now. I'd take a chance that Jared Butler could improve on his playmaking.

hope guys like RJ, obi, IQ take a step forward. Maybe mitch makes strides and stays healthy. We are going to add a rookie or two, maybe we hit. THen keep a max spot open for next year and take a shot at whoever makes it to free agency. I mean you might be able to get beal and keep all the picks and players.

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is a player I'd like to get at 19. Really solid shooter, good defender, and could step in to replace which wings they may lose. Obviously the Knicks need PG help, but the guys when they begin to pick cannot shoot (Cooper and Dosunmu) which is a non-starter in the league now. I'd take a chance that Jared Butler could improve on his playmaking.

I like Duarte as well. If he was 19 instead of 22 he'd go top 10.

I'd prefer Dinwiddie to Lowry to be honest. Both are injury prone, but I'd go for the guy who is still trying to prove himself over the guy who is going to be 36 and already has a ring.

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In comment 15293294 BigBlueFootball44 said: Quote: is a player I'd like to get at 19. Really solid shooter, good defender, and could step in to replace which wings they may lose. Obviously the Knicks need PG help, but the guys when they begin to pick cannot shoot (Cooper and Dosunmu) which is a non-starter in the league now. I'd take a chance that Jared Butler could improve on his playmaking. I like Duarte as well. If he was 19 instead of 22 he'd go top 10.

He just turned 24

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In comment 15293300 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15293294 BigBlueFootball44 said: Quote: is a player I'd like to get at 19. Really solid shooter, good defender, and could step in to replace which wings they may lose. Obviously the Knicks need PG help, but the guys when they begin to pick cannot shoot (Cooper and Dosunmu) which is a non-starter in the league now. I'd take a chance that Jared Butler could improve on his playmaking. I like Duarte as well. If he was 19 instead of 22 he'd go top 10. He just turned 24

Sorry yeah that's what I meant. Either way I think he should be ready to contribute day 1. Maybe makes someone like Burks expendable.

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I'd prefer Dinwiddie to Lowry to be honest. Both are injury prone, but I'd go for the guy who is still trying to prove himself over the guy who is going to be 36 and already has a ring.

I'd also prefer Dinwiddie. Although if you sign a guy like Dinwiddie you probably can't sign DeRozan simply because neither shoots the 3. Regardless, I think we end up keeping at least 2 of the Bullock/Burks/Rose trio which I wouldn't mind.

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In comment 15293302 Jon in NYC said: Quote: I'd prefer Dinwiddie to Lowry to be honest. Both are injury prone, but I'd go for the guy who is still trying to prove himself over the guy who is going to be 36 and already has a ring. I'd also prefer Dinwiddie. Although if you sign a guy like Dinwiddie you probably can't sign DeRozan simply because neither shoots the 3. Regardless, I think we end up keeping at least 2 of the Bullock/Burks/Rose trio which I wouldn't mind.

He's not a great shooter by % but he does take a lot of them. 5.4, 5.4, 6.3 his last 3 years. If he can figure out that part of his game it really changes his ceiling as a player.

fans, but I'd love to have him on the Knicks.

that Dinwiddie is going to end up with the Lakers in a S&T that's going to end up with the Nets getting better and me being pissed off.

is interesting:

@NBADraftWass
Had a chance to watch Tre Mann work out late last night. His shot is gonna be persuasive during workouts. Effortless shooting range out to the logo.

my hatred of the Hawks/Trae Young has subsided. They're a really good team and I think they beat Milwaukee.

I threw $20 down on them before Game 7 on winning the title. Odds were 23-1.

Simmons agent and the sixers are meeting to discuss future, so far no trade request made and the sixers have told them they want to keep him and work on his shooting

backed up all the talk in each round. While I think the Knicks could have done more and been competitive, McMillan and Young have proved they're not a fluke. And frankly, it's nice that the Knicks are good enough where they could be building a rivalry again.

Mann is my favorite ‘sleeper’ pick made huge improvements from year 1. Doesn’t remind me of donovan mitchell game, but big leap from year 1 to year 2 like mitchell took. I don’t think Mann will be there at 19 even those these expert mocks have him late first. I have not done all my draft research yet, but if we can’t get davion mitchell, I would be trading 19 and 32 to try to get to 14-16 and get Mann.

Just to not confusion I am referring to donovan mitchell from jazz big jump at Louisville year 1 to 2, kind of confusing with davion mitchell in this draft

Zaire williams will not be drafted at 9, we would not trade up to 9 for him, it would be davion mitchell. Zaire may be there at 19, at best 13-18 range

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Zaire williams will not be drafted at 9, we would not trade up to 9 for him, it would be davion mitchell. Zaire may be there at 19, at best 13-18 range

I disagree. I agree ZW is presently 13-18 on various draft sites but will fly up into single digit range. In my opinion, he's just too big, too fluid, too talented to fall further. For example, to take Franz Wagner over ZW is just not reasonable.

But probably needs to add 30 lbs over the next 3-4 years, can’t see the Knicks drafting a guy for down the road.

and likely to take Cade would the Knicks consider a trade for Killian Hayes? Would any of you trade Obi straight up for him? They were picked around the same place. Likely to get a bit of a discount because for the Pistons it would represent a better allocation of resources. I am a BIG fan of Obi but we do need a point guard.

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and likely to take Cade would the Knicks consider a trade for Killian Hayes? Would any of you trade Obi straight up for him? They were picked around the same place. Likely to get a bit of a discount because for the Pistons it would represent a better allocation of resources. I am a BIG fan of Obi but we do need a point guard.

This is a good idea. Its in the same spirit of Collin Sexton being a possible trade target.

both interview with Knicks at combine

be within reach. Mann I like as well, not explosive or quick but very shifty, has handle and pace. Keon Johnson is a freak athlete who will go before our pick, but Christopher is not far behind and probably a little more skilled.

I could see Thibs liking Pons from UT. Great defender, apparently can shoot a little. He’s the definition of 3 and D.

Having said that, I don’t understand the notion that Thibs won’t want 3 rookies. Because he’s here we should trade our picks for veterans? What have the front office been doing for the last 2 years then? Should we roll up to Deng and Boozer’s houses? Should we sacrifice potential for someone plug and play like Duarte because that’s more to Thibs’ liking?

Marc Berman
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UConn scorer James Bouknight out of Brooklyn said he interviewed with Knicks and made sure they knew where he's from.
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we'd probably reach an area of the draft that hasn't been kind to us in the recent past.

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As a prospect (not the current All NBA version), he reminds me of Paul George. Tremendous ceiling for ZW...top 5 ceiling in this draft class.

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True but there different talent evaluators and scouts calling the shots so have more confidence in them calling the shots. We raided organizations like Utah that know what they are doing.

Davion Mitchell really sounds like he would fit in with the culture here with his tireless work ethic. One of those guys who woke up at 4 am to start practicing /working out-- and was back in the gym the day after they won the championship.

But also Jared Butler at #19 or #21 also wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.

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he's got a lot of talent. And I think LaVine is a good ceiling for him. But, I think he'll have a few years before he's a good NBA player. And I think there's a chance that his endpoint isn't LaVine at all, but more like Austin Rivers.

That said, I'd be happy if the Knicks got him, even if I'd also be a little worried too.

wont last to the Knicks picks so they'd need to move up

I think some of us forget how young he is - literally just turned 21.

This is RJ's year 2 stats vs some other big time scorers year 2 stats - who also entered the NBA young at a young age:

RJ Barrett - 17.6/5.8/3.0 .441/.401/.746
Kobe Bryant - 15.4/3.1/2.5 .428/.341/.794
Bradley Beal - 17.1/3.7/3.3 .419/.402/.788
Jayson Tatum - 15.7/6.0/2.1 .450/.373/.855

I will need to check some more stuff in Zaire Williams, bold statement

and Jason Kidd is the frontrunner for head coach according to woj

has a high "Doncic asks out" factor involved, so I'm thrilled with this development.

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you have to think Doncic was consulted right? And i have not read a single name the mavs interviewed for gm..

This feels like Dirk has more of a say than the mavs are letting on..

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Would definitely need to move up. He's gonna go in the #8-10 range. I don't know though some people have said packaging all our picks up could move us as high as #8.

I just think they really every everything you'd want in a contender: one of the best floor generals in the history of basketball as their leader, a superstar 3-Level scorer in Booker who can always create his own shot even in the most dire of circumstances, a true emerging star big man in Ayton to work the pick and roll w/ Paul/Booker, and on top of all that they have terrific depth. I love what Jae Crowder brings too, I think you can always use a guy like him in a championship run.

I liked the Clippers to win it all before Kawhi got hurt just because they were flat out the most talented team overall (and honestly they're still pretty damn talented even w/o Kawhi), but the Suns just have such a nice collection of pieces and to me are just more of a classic perfect basketball TEAM.

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absolutely trade for Sexton. He's not a true PG, but he's a great scorer and fierce competitor. I think he can be the 2nd scoring option on a really competitive team pretty soon.

Huge drop-off from last postseason. He was really a huge reason why the Lakers won last postseason. Now somehow he just seems to be a perpetual turnover machine. I feel like Atlanta knew something the Clips didn't when they traded him for Lou Will. At the time I thought it was a good trade for both teams but Rondo has just not looked at all like himself.

apparently Hyland and Christopher had good games.

He was pick in knox year, obviously went before knicks pick. He is a big time competitor, I think he is one of this guys if put on a winning team with a good coach he could thrive. The ball hog stuff happens all the time with a young player in a bad team. That can be fixed, think Trae young.

I would offer all 3 picks this year and knox for Sexton. I think it’s a fair offer especially if cavs take Suggs they will look to unload. Sexton also can play defense when motivated.

for what Thibs likes at point, attack the rim, run the pick and roll and keep pressure on the defense..

I would take Sexton over Ball

Leon is very close to him. CAA also. He does like NY also….

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for what Thibs likes at point, attack the rim, run the pick and roll and keep pressure on the defense.. I would take Sexton over Ball

Sexton has definitely prove more at the NBA level. Ball has definitely improved certain skill sets the past few seasons, but Sexton is more polished at this point.

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Huge drop-off from last postseason. He was really a huge reason why the Lakers won last postseason. Now somehow he just seems to be a perpetual turnover machine. I feel like Atlanta knew something the Clips didn't when they traded him for Lou Will. At the time I thought it was a good trade for both teams but Rondo has just not looked at all like himself.

That trade has done a 180. Lou wanted no part of going to Atlanta but he has turned into a bigger difference maker than Rondo and oddly enough he has a better shot at the finals and even possibly winning a ring than if he had stayed in LA.

Wants to win now and win big..

He won't turn 19 until December, but man oh man, is he athletic, long and bouncy. Wouldn't mind taking a shot at him in the second round and having him develop in Westchester.

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He won't turn 19 until December, but man oh man, is he athletic, long and bouncy. Wouldn't mind taking a shot at him in the second round and having him develop in Westchester.

It seems a lot of the top players in this class are extremely athletic but have to work on their shooting..

be so exciting to get Dame. I'm trying to convince myself it wont happen, but there definitely seems to be a possibility.

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be so exciting to get Dame. I'm trying to convince myself it wont happen, but there definitely seems to be a possibility.

I think there is a slight chance for the first time...i think if a team blew them away they would do it..

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be so exciting to get Dame. I'm trying to convince myself it wont happen, but there definitely seems to be a possibility.

if Portland was really looking to tear it down, I think we might be one of the few teams able to take back both Dame and CJ without sending much money back.

Could the Knicks get lillard and McCollum for the following:

Toppin
Barret
knox
2021 1st rounder 19
2021 1st rounder 21
2021 2nd rounder 32
2023 1st rounder
2023 1st rounder Dallas
2025 1st rounder

Would we want that as Knicks fans?
Can fit under the cap?

PG Lillard
SG McCollum
SF TBD
PF Randle
C Mitch

Quickley off bench and all vet mins

It doesn’t excite me all that much, I know it should but there would be no depth with 2 aging stars and randle

Pick swaps in 2022, 2024 and 2026

Has a better team than that now and can’t win it all. We would have nothing going forward. I would love those players but I don’t see it.

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Has a better team than that now and can’t win it all. We would have nothing going forward. I would love those players but I don’t see it.

Do they? RoCo is wildly overrated. Nurkic is always hurt. Randle was 2nd team all NBA this year. He's I think back to being slightly devalued cause of his stinker of a playoff series. Plus a huge upgrade in coach with Thibs.

Bring back Rose and Bullock and that's a damn good team.

You try to keep all these young guys for one more year and see how they develop. I would see if Lowry would take 1 year $30million with a team option for $30 million with $5 million buyout. Resign bullock on 1 year deal and trade up to get BPA in draft. Try to extend Randle this year.

Adding Lowry plus the improvements in the young guys and a too pick should keep Knicks in top 6 in east with major cap room in 2022 and lots of good young assets and picks.

Then go for lavine or beal as free agents or if their teams try to trade them at the deadline.

To mention resign rose as well.

Jason kidd has agreed to be head coach..

Seems like Mavs had the easy choice of hiring Mosely but decided to go the "sexy" route

Supposedly OKC is looking to move him.
I know most are not fans of his and he has 2 years 74 million left on his deal.
Knicks obviously have the cap space.
Could he be had for a 1st and say Knox?

the Knicks be the team receiving the first for taking on his salary?

Is up to 275? Wtf lol

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Crazy right?
Doesn't look that much bigger.

far far away from Kemba. 0 interest. He's just not that good.

when he carried Cleveland to an OT win over Brooklyn earlier this season with the Big Three on the court. Scored 40+ points including every bucket down the stretch. Letting Johnny Bryant coach up RJ, IQ and Sexton wouldn't be the worst thing.

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shams said its all but done

Well there goes Dame being traded this summer. He sat in on the Billups interview & must have given his blessing.

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Well there goes Dame being traded this summer. He sat in on the Billups interview & must have given his blessing.

Yup. He'll probably give it at least another year.

"we underestimated you game one but this is who we really are" game from the Bucks. Just a total beatdown.

Why not?

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"we underestimated you game one but this is who we really are" game from the Bucks. Just a total beatdown.

Right? It reminds me of the Lakers losing game 1 to Philly.

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In comment 15292696 nygiants16 said: Quote: BA Central @TheNBACentral Warriors owner Joe Lacob responds to rumors that LeBron James has been recruiting Stephen Curry to Lakers “Look, Steph Curry, if he really wanted to leave at the end of his contract, he’s a free agent, he’s earned the right, he can do it." Wow. Looks like Lacob REALLY wants Steph to stick around...there's a weird vibe there between Steph & Lacob from all accounts.

I doubt he's worried about it, and I definitely doubt he'd enjoy that outcome. He just tends to state the obvious like that.

OKC has quietly made SGA available in trade talks due to timing of their rebuild and they dont thinknhebfits the timeline

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If that's the case, the Knicks should target him. He's young, has a good all around game and he played for Kentucky. ;)

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OKC has quietly made SGA available in trade talks due to timing of their rebuild and they dont thinknhebfits the timeline

Lol what? He’s 22 years old, how long is their rebuild going to take? I guess they don’t plan on being good any time in the next 10 years.

15 times, but as of 6/26 I think the Knicks trade up to the 10 range and take Moses Moody, who interviewed with the team. Basically a 3/D wing, a straight replacement for Bullock and someone who can fit into any lineup.

I do it now. Who else?

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In comment 15294509 nygiants16 said: Quote: OKC has quietly made SGA available in trade talks due to timing of their rebuild and they dont thinknhebfits the timeline Lol what? He’s 22 years old, how long is their rebuild going to take? I guess they don’t plan on being good any time in the next 10 years.

because they are going to have to max him out and theybprobably figure he is not going to have a lot of patience

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I do it now. Who else?

My guess is that it'll take more than that.

but how many more draft picks does OKC need? It’s getting silly at this point.

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are you drunk?

he is 22 and getting better. At worst you resign him and look to move him in a couple years if the rebuild is still awful. What do they care about capspace. We expecting some big time Free agents to joing up in Oklahoma.

Maybe they are considering trading him if Det will give them the #1 pick or something like that.

to shop SGA. Talking about SGA's plantar injury;

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"It's not something that you should really mess around with," Daigneault said. "If we got aggressive with him, it could compromise him long term, which makes no sense for us for a player that is as important to our franchise as he is."

And according to Daily Knicks Fansided, Bontemps only said on a podcast that SGA "could" be made available, not that he has been.


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In comment 15294527 Mike in NJ said: Quote: In comment 15294509 nygiants16 said: Quote: OKC has quietly made SGA available in trade talks due to timing of their rebuild and they dont thinknhebfits the timeline Lol what? He’s 22 years old, how long is their rebuild going to take? I guess they don’t plan on being good any time in the next 10 years. because they are going to have to max him out and theybprobably figure he is not going to have a lot of patience

So what if they have to max him? Who else are they giving that money to? Only reason to even consider trading him is if he has said he will not resign when his contract is up.

Moody sounds really interesting, coming around #10 in some mocks. However, there is a real difference of agreement as to how high the Knicks could go for their two #1 picks. One mock had them only getting up to #15 or so.

On the good news side, most of the mocks show players with real talent and upside all the way through the first round--a very unusually deep draft, with roughly three tiers--the 1-4 very likely stars, the roughly 5-11 with talent that kick in very quickly, and a whole bunch of players below that with talent and upside, but more risk.

In fact, although most mocks don't show round #2, the ones that do suggest real upside early in the second round, where the Knicks also pick. Example: Draftnet has players with total scores around 89-90 in the early second round, versus a 90-91 in the late-middle first round. And if Fansided's detailed scouting reports are at all accurate, they show real potential all the way through the first round at all four spots--pg, sg, sf, big. (Link)

A key point of mine is that with the Knicks' current aggressive scouting network, which got them Quickley last year, they should get two players with talent and upside from a trade up plus the pick at 32.


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that the Knicks are looking for 3 and d wings, unless complete lie, you would think their number 1 goal was to find a point guard

No Kawhi tonight for Clips; I'm rooting like hell for the Suns tonight.

I think I understand the thinking:

1) Get an experienced pg on a 1-year contract, with potentially more pg talent up as FAs next year. Or, someone like Ball.

2) Get a young, big 3 with all-around talent, including a 3-point shot, potentially through the draft. There are some up there in the range the Knicks could get to with a trade-up.

3) Go for a star pg in 2022 if they don't get a FA they like for the long term this year.

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I dont think they're going to search for their starting PG in the draft. Definitely easier to get a 3/D wing to replace Bullock.

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In comment 15294718 nygiants16 said: Quote: that the Knicks are looking for 3 and d wings, unless complete lie, you would think their number 1 goal was to find a point guard I dont think they're going to search for their starting PG in the draft. Definitely easier to get a 3/D wing to replace Bullock.

thata true, i just hope they have a plan to grt a vet

released an article today breaking down the options. There are a lot of in house connections to Jalen Brunson, mostly through his Dad, who was on every staff Thibs had until now. Wonder if the Knicks try to make a trade there.

said that a Billups hire could lead to a Lillard trade, which I'm not sure I buy, but his reasoning is that a rookie head coach is basically not who you want if you're trying to win now, which is actually decent rationale.

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said that a Billups hire could lead to a Lillard trade, which I'm not sure I buy, but his reasoning is that a rookie head coach is basically not who you want if you're trying to win now, which is actually decent rationale.

it would be decent rationale if Lillard didnt basically hand pick Billups

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In comment 15294740 Jon in NYC said: Quote: said that a Billups hire could lead to a Lillard trade, which I'm not sure I buy, but his reasoning is that a rookie head coach is basically not who you want if you're trying to win now, which is actually decent rationale. it would be decent rationale if Lillard didnt basically hand pick Billups

Yep you'd think. Alhough everything can change in a NY minute in the NBA. I just hope Dame makes up his mind soon that he wants out if he's gonna do it, before the draft. Because after the draft 2 of our #1's dissapear as capital in a trade.

No chance in hell Dame is moved this summer, considering he all but hired Billups himself.

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In comment 15294747 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15294740 Jon in NYC said: Quote: said that a Billups hire could lead to a Lillard trade, which I'm not sure I buy, but his reasoning is that a rookie head coach is basically not who you want if you're trying to win now, which is actually decent rationale. it would be decent rationale if Lillard didnt basically hand pick Billups Yep you'd think. Alhough everything can change in a NY minute in the NBA. I just hope Dame makes up his mind soon that he wants out if he's gonna do it, before the draft. Because after the draft 2 of our #1's dissapear as capital in a trade.

yup a star has to become available before the draft ao Knicks utilize all their assets

The draft is in what, less than a month? That ain't happening.

They are doing everything they can to make him happy.
Knicks will try and move up in this draft to get a 3-D wing and look to shake away one of the restricted PG like Graham or Ball.
IMO

Even healthy. That’s the problem

the more i want Bouknight

in how good the Suns are. Without Ayton, they'd be a completely perimeter-based team with no rebounding. Ayton is a legit big man and excellent rebounder

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He too. Apparently he shoot lights out the past couple days. At the very least he's probably a microwave option off the bench but with upside.

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Next to Randle and a good shokting vet point guard, he is going to be very effective..

Get to the rim at will, will have better shot selection in the NBA because of more options around him..pull up j, fluid athlete

Lavine comps may be lofty, but we need a wing who gets buckets. IQ doesn’t give you much at the rim, RJ doesn’t give you much off the dribble - Bouknight will give a little of everything. And I’d love to give Johnny Bryant a year with those three before he lands a job elsewhere.

for long term deals.

Re-sign Rose, Bullock, and Noel.

Extend Mitch and Randle.

If Lonzo escapes, draft a PG. Have IQ fill in for a year and go hard after Brunson next offseason when he's a UFA.

Draft Kispert. And draft an offensive 5.

Build young.

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I agree on Powell— we definitely need to bring him on.

Lonzo just seems like a bum to me, but I understand everyone seems to think he’s a perfect fit here. It’s crazy going back and watching his college highlights he literally looks like an entirely different person playing out there compared to now. If that dude can show up again we’ll be cookin. I’m hoping maybe he just needs to be allowed to be a true PG again since he’s had to just play in teams with Lebron and Zion running the point instead of him.

(I think personally at PG I’d rather try to get Lowry and Rose to tag team at PG for this year and then see what the PG landscape is next offseason— see what it’ll take to get Brunson. In the meantime I like the idea of Rose on a 2 year deal and Lowry for 1 year with a 2nd year option. )

Mitch just feels like he’ll never be able to stay healthy for a full season— but even if we extend him we could still always trade him I guess..

I think we’d have to package 19 and 21 to move up and get Kispert so just wanted to make sure you’re saying use #32 to grab the offensive 5?

I’m liking more the idea of a trade for Myles Turner but I’m just wondering how much it would take to get him. Could we maybe trade #21 + #32 for Turner and then use Mitch in a trade to move up from #19? Davion Mitchell is probably my favorite player in this draft but I definitely understand why people would prefer we address PG in FA and draft a 3-D wing or just a flat out scorer— we want someone who can contribute right away.

poor man's Simmons. I have no use for a 6-8 PG who can't shoot or create.

As much as I like Bouknight, I wouldn't trade the entire draft for him. After the top 4 to 5, I think the rest are all around the same tier. I'll take my chances with 3 picks rather than 1. Make Thibs happy with Pons with the second round pick, gamble with the first rounders on offense. I'd love Cooper and Mann.

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poor man's Simmons. I have no use for a 6-8 PG who can't shoot or create. As much as I like Bouknight, I wouldn't trade the entire draft for him. After the top 4 to 5, I think the rest are all around the same tier. I'll take my chances with 3 picks rather than 1. Make Thibs happy with Pons with the second round pick, gamble with the first rounders on offense. I'd love Cooper and Mann.

You mean the same Lonzo Ball who shot 38% from 3?

and cant create? he averaged 5 assists per game playingg off of zion in stan van gubdys terrible system..

averaged almost 8 assists a game the year before..

We need guards who can create with the ball in their hands. Ancient Rose was the only on the roster who could do it.

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We need guards who can create with the ball in their hands. Ancient Rose was the only on the roster who could do it.

You realize that stan van gundy basically made Ball play 3 and d rather than play point? it is the reason ehy 1 van gundy was fired and 2 why ball wants out..

He made Zion play point and it didnt work..

and calling Ball a ben Simmons clone is sinply not true and couldnt be further from the truth..

I still think Brunson makes a lot of sense and the Knicks are uniquely positioned to get him. Having the 23 mavs pick protected really ties up their ability to trade future firsts to upgrade the team. Would something like 32 and their 23 first back work? They also don’t have a pick at all this year so gives them much more flexibility.

Ball, Zion, Engram (and can’t come close to the playoffs? Not sure on all three of these guys.

Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
The backlash from Portland Trail Blazers’ coaching search and his concerns over whether a championship contender can be built have become major factors that could force Damian Lillard to request out, league sources tell @YahooSports.

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Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes The backlash from Portland Trail Blazers’ coaching search and his concerns over whether a championship contender can be built have become major factors that could force Damian Lillard to request out, league sources tell @YahooSports.

oh dear lord yes please

Maybe this off-season will be more exciting than anticipated (for the league, not just the Knicks).

it is directly from Lillard

I had no clue he settled a rape case at the beginning of his career.

how the Knicks could offer more than Philly for Lillard, and hard to imagine he wouldnt be willing to go to Philly.

Simmons is still extremely young and extremely talented and a change of scenery could be just what he needs.

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how the Knicks could offer more than Philly for Lillard, and hard to imagine he wouldnt be willing to go to Philly. Simmons is still extremely young and extremely talented and a change of scenery could be just what he needs.

it depends what they want..

anyone who trades forvsimmons and builds around him are morons just my opinion

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In comment 15295129 MookGiants said: Quote: how the Knicks could offer more than Philly for Lillard, and hard to imagine he wouldnt be willing to go to Philly. Simmons is still extremely young and extremely talented and a change of scenery could be just what he needs. it depends what they want.. anyone who trades forvsimmons and builds around him are morons just my opinion

I just dont see a Knicks offer that can be better. I don't love Simmons but I'd certainly pick Simmons over Barrett, maybe its just me

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In comment 15295133 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15295129 MookGiants said: Quote: how the Knicks could offer more than Philly for Lillard, and hard to imagine he wouldnt be willing to go to Philly. Simmons is still extremely young and extremely talented and a change of scenery could be just what he needs. it depends what they want.. anyone who trades forvsimmons and builds around him are morons just my opinion I just dont see a Knicks offer that can be better. I don't love Simmons but I'd certainly pick Simmons over Barrett, maybe its just me

It's not apples to apples. Simmons has 4 years of max money on his deal. Barrett is still on his rookie contract. Houston didn't want to take LeVert because they didn't think he was worth the money he's owed as one example.

If he somehow winds up with the Lakers (seems improbable but I never rule them out) it'll ruin the title hopes of Brooklyn, Philly and Miami in one fell swoop. If he winds up in Philly or Miami, it gives the Nets a legit challenge next year even if healthy. (Yes I'm that spiteful)

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Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes The backlash from Portland Trail Blazers’ coaching search and his concerns over whether a championship contender can be built have become major factors that could force Damian Lillard to request out, league sources tell @YahooSports.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

2nd if Lillard expresses where he wants to go like Harden did, then that changes everything..

Dame in MSG... (Throw cold water on me right now.)

Penny might end up back in Orlando as Magic HC.

I rewatched A Magic Moment a couple weeks back. I still can't believe Orlando let Shaq go.

Hopefully Wes wasn’t at the combine because he’s too busy tampering his ass off.

It is probably going to take Rj, Mitch, Obi, knox19th overall, 32nd overall, 22 1st, 23 dallas, 24 knicks, 25 swap, 26 swap..

you are left with Dame, Iq, Randle, 21st pick, luca, Pelle, and roughly 40 million to spend

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It is probably going to take Rj, Mitch, Obi, knox19th overall, 32nd overall, 22 1st, 23 dallas, 24 knicks, 25 swap, 26 swap.. you are left with Dame, Iq, Randle, 21st pick, luca, Pelle, and roughly 40 million to spend

That is a lot. But I would probably do it. It is a stars league.

In comment 15295162 nygiants16 said:

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It is probably going to take Rj, Mitch, Obi, knox19th overall, 32nd overall, 22 1st, 23 dallas, 24 knicks, 25 swap, 26 swap.. you are left with Dame, Iq, Randle, 21st pick, luca, Pelle, and roughly 40 million to spend

Are you assuming that 40 is for Kawhi?

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In comment 15295162 nygiants16 said: Quote: It is probably going to take Rj, Mitch, Obi, knox19th overall, 32nd overall, 22 1st, 23 dallas, 24 knicks, 25 swap, 26 swap.. you are left with Dame, Iq, Randle, 21st pick, luca, Pelle, and roughly 40 million to spend Are you assuming that 40 is for Kawhi?

that 40 can be for whatever they want

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that 40 can be for whatever they want

In reality whatever Dame wants

How much do we know about him compared to Dante Exum?

In comment 15295110 bceagle05 said:

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Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes The backlash from Portland Trail Blazers’ coaching search and his concerns over whether a championship contender can be built have become major factors that could force Damian Lillard to request out, league sources tell @YahooSports.

Yep. Apparently Dame is getting killed on social media for “recommending” Billups. Make it happen!
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In comment 15295137 MookGiants said: Quote: In comment 15295133 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15295129 MookGiants said: Quote: how the Knicks could offer more than Philly for Lillard, and hard to imagine he wouldnt be willing to go to Philly. Simmons is still extremely young and extremely talented and a change of scenery could be just what he needs. it depends what they want.. anyone who trades forvsimmons and builds around him are morons just my opinion I just dont see a Knicks offer that can be better. I don't love Simmons but I'd certainly pick Simmons over Barrett, maybe its just me It's not apples to apples. Simmons has 4 years of max money on his deal. Barrett is still on his rookie contract. Houston didn't want to take LeVert because they didn't think he was worth the money he's owed as one example.

Exactly. Simmons on a max contract is a negative. Portland isn’t winning a championship by trading Dame and replacing him with Simmons. I’m not saying the Knicks could put together the best offer but in terms of where Portland would be headed if they trade Dame, the Knicks package of RJ, other pieces like Mitch and a boatload of picks seems like a much better deal than tying up a max in freakin Simmons

In comment 15295170 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15295169 adamg said: Quote: In comment 15295162 nygiants16 said: Quote: It is probably going to take Rj, Mitch, Obi, knox19th overall, 32nd overall, 22 1st, 23 dallas, 24 knicks, 25 swap, 26 swap.. you are left with Dame, Iq, Randle, 21st pick, luca, Pelle, and roughly 40 million to spend Are you assuming that 40 is for Kawhi? that 40 can be for whatever they want

Who realistically can they add to that group? Bring back the core from last year (Noel, Rose, Bullock) and one bigger piece (Powell)?

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Exactly. Simmons on a max contract is a negative. Portland isn’t winning a championship by trading Dame and replacing him with Simmons. I’m not saying the Knicks could put together the best offer but in terms of where Portland would be headed if they trade Dame, the Knicks package of RJ, other pieces like Mitch and a boatload of picks seems like a much better deal than tying up a max in freakin Simmons

What if they think they can "fix" Simmons?

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In comment 15295170 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15295169 adamg said: Quote: In comment 15295162 nygiants16 said: Quote: It is probably going to take Rj, Mitch, Obi, knox19th overall, 32nd overall, 22 1st, 23 dallas, 24 knicks, 25 swap, 26 swap.. you are left with Dame, Iq, Randle, 21st pick, luca, Pelle, and roughly 40 million to spend Are you assuming that 40 is for Kawhi? that 40 can be for whatever they want Who realistically can they add to that group? Bring back the core from last year (Noel, Rose, Bullock) and one bigger piece (Powell)?

They most likely fill in the bench with role players on 1 year deals and then go for a 3rd guy in free agency next year..

a lot of avenues still open even after a lillard trade

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In comment 15295196 BigBlueShock said: Quote: Exactly. Simmons on a max contract is a negative. Portland isn’t winning a championship by trading Dame and replacing him with Simmons. I’m not saying the Knicks could put together the best offer but in terms of where Portland would be headed if they trade Dame, the Knicks package of RJ, other pieces like Mitch and a boatload of picks seems like a much better deal than tying up a max in freakin Simmons What if they think they can "fix" Simmons?

Well of course, there’s always that chance. If they want to take that risk on a player that hasn’t been able to be fixed yet and according to many reports has a terrible work ethic, more power to them. Even if they “fix” him, he isn’t leading that team to a championship. They have no cap space.

as a possible third team - sending Sexton to Portland among all the moving pieces. Not the worst idea.

His contract is only 31 million for thisbyear, goes up to 39 start of the new league year..

I believe Knicks are around 13 million under currently, so if they send out Rj, Obi and Knox in the deal they could do it now..

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It is probably going to take Rj, Mitch, Obi, knox19th overall, 32nd overall, 22 1st, 23 dallas, 24 knicks, 25 swap, 26 swap.. you are left with Dame, Iq, Randle, 21st pick, luca, Pelle, and roughly 40 million to spend

Oof, that's a lot. You had me until the Knicks 24th and the two swaps.

stepping on the ref’s foot - similar to Melo a few years ago with the Knicks. Back in the locker room to start the fourth. Tight game - Gallo and Bobby Portis both getting buckets.

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In comment 15295162 nygiants16 said: Quote: It is probably going to take Rj, Mitch, Obi, knox19th overall, 32nd overall, 22 1st, 23 dallas, 24 knicks, 25 swap, 26 swap.. you are left with Dame, Iq, Randle, 21st pick, luca, Pelle, and roughly 40 million to spend Oof, that's a lot. You had me until the Knicks 24th and the two swaps.

it might be less..

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stepping on the ref’s foot - similar to Melo a few years ago with the Knicks. Back in the locker room to start the fourth. Tight game - Gallo and Bobby Portis both getting buckets.

gallo gets away with throwing an elbow, than cries like a little girl when he doesnt get a call..

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In comment 15295217 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15295162 nygiants16 said: Quote: It is probably going to take Rj, Mitch, Obi, knox19th overall, 32nd overall, 22 1st, 23 dallas, 24 knicks, 25 swap, 26 swap.. you are left with Dame, Iq, Randle, 21st pick, luca, Pelle, and roughly 40 million to spend Oof, that's a lot. You had me until the Knicks 24th and the two swaps. it might be less..

RJ, IQ, Obi, both 21 1sts, 22 Pick Swap, both 23 1sts, 24 pick swap. Probably the absolute best I'd do.

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In comment 15295219 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15295217 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15295162 nygiants16 said: Quote: It is probably going to take Rj, Mitch, Obi, knox19th overall, 32nd overall, 22 1st, 23 dallas, 24 knicks, 25 swap, 26 swap.. you are left with Dame, Iq, Randle, 21st pick, luca, Pelle, and roughly 40 million to spend Oof, that's a lot. You had me until the Knicks 24th and the two swaps. it might be less.. RJ, IQ, Obi, both 21 1sts, 22 Pick Swap, both 23 1sts, 24 pick swap. Probably the absolute best I'd do.

yeah inwas thinking about it, id rather give up both rj and iq and keep Mitch..

You can find 3 and d wings and bring back rose.

Bucks up three with five minutes left - good game.

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I find that hilarious.

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I find that hilarious.

didnt amare sit courtside in miami suring the finals?

trailed most of the way but won it in the 4th

but i dont think the knicks are trading RJ, Obi at least one of IQ/Mitch and 5 firsts for Dame. If this is next offseason and you are thinking you can pair dame with Lavine/Beal to go with Randle and maybe mitch and then knowing you can still get at least one more pretty good player willing to come to NY to play with that group for less then they would get elsewhere (like a harrell in LA this past year).

But gutting all of our assets to pair Dame with Randle and like powell and some other ok player i just dont think they do it. Dame isnt 25 he is 30. We need dame to push his way here to the point where maybe we can make that deal without RJ. Im fine with the picks, IQ, obi, mitch, etc...That said Dame has very little leverage because he is signed for the next like 5 years so they can trade him wherever they want. Sure teams wont want an unhappy superstar but still.

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but i dont think the knicks are trading RJ, Obi at least one of IQ/Mitch and 5 firsts for Dame. If this is next offseason and you are thinking you can pair dame with Lavine/Beal to go with Randle and maybe mitch and then knowing you can still get at least one more pretty good player willing to come to NY to play with that group for less then they would get elsewhere (like a harrell in LA this past year). But gutting all of our assets to pair Dame with Randle and like powell and some other ok player i just dont think they do it. Dame isnt 25 he is 30. We need dame to push his way here to the point where maybe we can make that deal without RJ. Im fine with the picks, IQ, obi, mitch, etc...That said Dame has very little leverage because he is signed for the next like 5 years so they can trade him wherever they want. Sure teams wont want an unhappy superstar but still.

I agree and why would Dame want to come here if all those assets are headed to Portland? This would be a worse situation than the one he’s already in. Only way to even consider that is if another star is brought here first, otherwise it makes no sense for either side. Dame, Randall and fillers with no future picks is not very attractive. To anyone.

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In comment 15295315 Italianju said: Quote: but i dont think the knicks are trading RJ, Obi at least one of IQ/Mitch and 5 firsts for Dame. If this is next offseason and you are thinking you can pair dame with Lavine/Beal to go with Randle and maybe mitch and then knowing you can still get at least one more pretty good player willing to come to NY to play with that group for less then they would get elsewhere (like a harrell in LA this past year). But gutting all of our assets to pair Dame with Randle and like powell and some other ok player i just dont think they do it. Dame isnt 25 he is 30. We need dame to push his way here to the point where maybe we can make that deal without RJ. Im fine with the picks, IQ, obi, mitch, etc...That said Dame has very little leverage because he is signed for the next like 5 years so they can trade him wherever they want. Sure teams wont want an unhappy superstar but still. I agree and why would Dame want to come here if all those assets are headed to Portland? This would be a worse situation than the one he’s already in. Only way to even consider that is if another star is brought here first, otherwise it makes no sense for either side. Dame, Randall and fillers with no future picks is not very attractive. To anyone.

These moves arent made in a vacuum, there is always a next move linedup, like kawhi and george to clippers..

Two scenarios World Wide Wes has to whisper into the ear of Dame's camp:

Force your way here and have Kawhi join you - Kawhi is reportedly annoyed at the Clippers over the handling of his injury. Remember, his relationship with San Antonio fell apart over injury miscommunication/mishandling.

OR

Force your way here and we'll get the second star next summer and go over the cap to keep Randle (and RJ, if by some miracle he's not included in the Dame trade)

It would obviously be far less complicated for Dame to go to Golden State, Philly, Miami or the Lakers (never count them out), but this is why Leon and Wes are here. If they don't deliver a star, Jimmy Dolan won't be happy.

is already in the ear of Beal and Lillard

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Two scenarios World Wide Wes has to whisper into the ear of Dame's camp: Force your way here and have Kawhi join you - Kawhi is reportedly annoyed at the Clippers over the handling of his injury. Remember, his relationship with San Antonio fell apart over injury miscommunication/mishandling. OR Force your way here and we'll get the second star next summer and go over the cap to keep Randle (and RJ, if by some miracle he's not included in the Dame trade) It would obviously be far less complicated for Dame to go to Golden State, Philly, Miami or the Lakers (never count them out), but this is why Leon and Wes are here. If they don't deliver a star, Jimmy Dolan won't be happy.

Agreed. This is why Leon and Wes were brought here.

Knicks are poised now more than in a longtime to acquire multiple superstars:

1. A restructured front office with many connections in the league
2. a stabilized culture and very strong coaching staff top to bottom.
3. Knicks proved they can win again last year.
4. 5 FRPs and a bunch of 2nd round picks in the next 3 years.
5. $60 million in cap space that can balloon to over $75-80 million if guys like Knox,Obi etc. are traded.

claims Thibs wants to trade the 3 firsts for a PG.

Golden State assured itself of an additional first-round pick when Minnesota failed to land in the top 3 on lottery night. The Warriors now have the seventh and 14th picks plus last year’s second overall pick, James Wiseman, and there is a widespread expectation that the Warriors will use No. 7 and Wiseman, in particular, to seek more immediate upgrades to the roster. One name to watch: Pascal Siakam.

Randle was very close to making team BUT they decided to go with Love because he has exoerience playing for team USA

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claims Thibs wants to trade the 3 firsts for a PG.

Gibby, Bouknight, Sharife Cooper

Love Dame, think he's an exceptional player that goes unheralded because of where he plays - but I'm trading every asset to pair him with Randle and......

That team would be worse than where he is now. Makes zero sense.

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Love Dame, think he's an exceptional player that goes unheralded because of where he plays - but I'm trading every asset to pair him with Randle and...... That team would be worse than where he is now. Makes zero sense.

they wouldnt be done, the team eouldnt be just lillard and Randle

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claims Thibs wants to trade the 3 firsts for a PG.

I assume the third first is the early second rounder we have?

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In comment 15295429 DanMetroMan said: Quote: claims Thibs wants to trade the 3 firsts for a PG. I assume the third first is the early second rounder we have?

Yeah sorry, the first 3 picks (per Berman)

gets you. I mean is that guy better then say just signing lowry and keeping the picks?

Jericho Sims... 44.5 inch max vertical at 6'10... wow

sources say Denver and Toronto would be the early favorites for Lillard with the Knicks "in the mix"

Lewis feels like a Thibs player

If you plug in his measurements to the simulator tool from NBAthlete.com, two of the players with similar measurements are stellar wing defenders Marcus Smart and De’Anthony Melton. Both of these players notched a “similarity score” to Lewis of at least 91 percent.

The 21-year-old had his limitations on the offensive side of the floor but like Smart and Melton, his primary strength in the NBA is going to be his defense and athleticism.

While he is just 6-foot-4 without shoes, Lewis also measured with a 7-foot wingspan during the event. That elite length gives him a huge advantage on the defensive side of the floor, as you can see in this highlight below:

such a pain in the balls behind the scenes,

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gets you. I mean is that guy better then say just signing lowry and keeping the picks?

Not saying this was be a good move but a trade up with San Antonio to 12 feels like a logical move. Maybe even 19 and 21 get it done and they keep 32.

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such a pain in the balls behind the scenes,

isnt that why he was fored in chicago? paxson couldnt eork with him

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sources say Denver and Toronto would be the early favorites for Lillard with the Knicks "in the mix"

I get Denver, but what is Toronto giving up?

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In comment 15295505 DanMetroMan said: Quote: sources say Denver and Toronto would be the early favorites for Lillard with the Knicks "in the mix" I get Denver, but what is Toronto giving up?

Probably flip Siakim for draft picks, then trade FVV and draft picks for lillard

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In comment 15295505 DanMetroMan said: Quote: sources say Denver and Toronto would be the early favorites for Lillard with the Knicks "in the mix" I get Denver, but what is Toronto giving up?

They have let teams know Siakam is available so presumably, he'd be part of the deal.

Pick and James Wiseman Jr.

know why the Blazers want Siakam. You can't win with Dame but you can with historically unclutch Pascal?

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know why the Blazers want Siakam. You can't win with Dame but you can with historically unclutch Pascal?

Yeah, we don't know what Portland wants but the OKC rebuild plan seems a lot smarter than some mediocre Simmons/McCollum or Siakam/McCollum 35-win squad.

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In comment 15295549 Jon in NYC said: Quote: know why the Blazers want Siakam. You can't win with Dame but you can with historically unclutch Pascal? Yeah, we don't know what Portland wants but the OKC rebuild plan seems a lot smarter than some mediocre Simmons/McCollum or Siakam/McCollum 35-win squad.

This is why I think the Knicks actually have a great offer. Picks + Cap Space + Legitimate NBA caliber youth on rookie deals is a really tough trio to top.

You can get a great package from us + turn CJ into a similar package + get more picks for RoCc and Nurkic.

I'm Denver I bite the bullet and give up MPJ

Jokic/Lillard/Murray is a ring challenging trip for the next half decade.

In the Dame deal.
Move Mitch, IQ, Obi, and all the picks needed.
Cap space, Dame, RJ, and Randle is something to build from and makes sense.
Kwahi is going to stay in LA he has rings, PG13 and they are on the cusp of a championship team. Also it's his team and NY it would be Dame's team first.
I think all of this is pipedreams BTW.

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I'm Denver I bite the bullet and give up MPJ Jokic/Lillard/Murray is a ring challenging trip for the next half decade.

Totally agree. MPJ has a lot to prove and he's an absolutely atrocious defender.

is such a great centerpiece offensively because he's such a good passer from the post. I really think Jokic/Lillard/Murray as your big 3 would challenge for a ring. Joke is somehow only 26.

But Toronto??? So let me get this straight Dame would leave Portland to go up to Toronto with no FVV, Lowry or Siakam? Yeah right.

be super helpful if Lillard demanded a trade to the Knicks. He's got 4 years left so basically 0 leverage but Portland may want to do right by him.

have been left with the impression the Sixers will hold onto Simmons unless they receive another young star as part of the deal.

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have been left with the impression the Sixers will hold onto Simmons unless they receive another young star as part of the deal.

Haha. You ain't getting a young star for Simmons this summer.

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I'm Denver I bite the bullet and give up MPJ Jokic/Lillard/Murray is a ring challenging trip for the next half decade.

That's the Western favorites next fall if that's Denver's trio.

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I'm Denver I bite the bullet and give up MPJ Jokic/Lillard/Murray is a ring challenging trip for the next half decade.

I suppose you get the best deal for your team, but does making another team in your conference a title favorite for that long factor into the decision at all?

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In comment 15295574 DanMetroMan said: Quote: I'm Denver I bite the bullet and give up MPJ Jokic/Lillard/Murray is a ring challenging trip for the next half decade. I suppose you get the best deal for your team, but does making another team in your conference a title favorite for that long factor into the decision at all?

If Blazers trade Dame, it's rebuild mode so I guess...Who cares? It's not like Portland would be contending while Dame is still Dame.

I thought they’d lose this one by 20. PG13 and Reggie Jackson have been great. Ty Lue can coach my team any time.

to force a Game 6. Phoenix very fortunate that Kawhi's been injured, otherwise they'd at best be facing elimination, if not eliminated

definitely knocked Phoenix out of rhythm a bit.

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NBA Central @TheNBACentral · 3m "I think Dwyane Wade is seriously concerned about Donovan Mitchell’s desire to stay [in Utah] long-term." - Brian Windhorst

Didn't he literally just sign a long term contract?

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In comment 15295968 nygiants16 said: Quote: NBA Central @TheNBACentral · 3m "I think Dwyane Wade is seriously concerned about Donovan Mitchell’s desire to stay [in Utah] long-term." - Brian Windhorst Didn't he literally just sign a long term contract?

yup lol

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NBA Central @TheNBACentral · 3m "I think Dwyane Wade is seriously concerned about Donovan Mitchell’s desire to stay [in Utah] long-term." - Brian Windhorst

I always thought he was the star that was rumored to want to come to the Knicks. Its probably wishful thinking but I could totally see him being traded there in the next year.

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In comment 15295968 nygiants16 said: Quote: NBA Central @TheNBACentral · 3m "I think Dwyane Wade is seriously concerned about Donovan Mitchell’s desire to stay [in Utah] long-term." - Brian Windhorst I always thought he was the star that was rumored to want to come to the Knicks. Its probably wishful thinking but I could totally see him being traded there in the next year.

Dame said if Portland didn't want him he would like to play for Utah or the Lakers
So maybe a 3 way deal with Utah? (partially kidding)

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In comment 15295968 nygiants16 said: Quote: NBA Central @TheNBACentral · 3m "I think Dwyane Wade is seriously concerned about Donovan Mitchell’s desire to stay [in Utah] long-term." - Brian Windhorst I always thought he was the star that was rumored to want to come to the Knicks. Its probably wishful thinking but I could totally see him being traded there in the next year.

I thought once wade signed pn as part owner there was no shot Mitchell would leave

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In comment 15295968 nygiants16 said: Quote: NBA Central @TheNBACentral · 3m "I think Dwyane Wade is seriously concerned about Donovan Mitchell’s desire to stay [in Utah] long-term." - Brian Windhorst I always thought he was the star that was rumored to want to come to the Knicks. Its probably wishful thinking but I could totally see him being traded there in the next year.

He's signed for 4 more seasons.

Vaughn seemed to be the favorite but according to Woj he has taken his name out of head coaching jobs

good draft stuff
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Are these Billups sexual assault allegations from 97 just coming to light? I never heard of the allegations until this past week.

Just saw a clip on Twitter of a reporter asking Billups about the '97 sexual assault allegation & Portland PR stepping in & not letting Billups answer. That's weak AF.

Never gets brought up the way others are. A nightmare for a team that’s in a tough enough spot as it is.

Just checking the box score, looks like RJ had a decent game - 22/5/3 8/14.

for the Hawks

So far so good.

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Are these Billups sexual assault allegations from 97 just coming to light? I never heard of the allegations until this past week.

Damn I thought I was the only one who'd never heard about it.

Something is very fishy about the way this always happens with guys like Kidd and Billups. Their name comes up for head coaching options, and the second they do you also see in the media "these allegations haunt their past" etc. Why does that always seem to happen? We never heard that with Kidd when he was simply being hired as an asst. coach, but as soon as HC opportunities start being discussed with his name the first thing always following it is "well what about x y z allegations?" Who decided JUST NOW to bring this shit up about Billups? Why now? As though he wasn't already an NBA player for 17 years AFTER this incident and an asst. coach for the Clippers last year? We're acting like NOW we have to put him on trial for this shit?

If they blow this, I'm never betting again.

These playoffs have been one injury after another.

are going to make a lot of money tonight. That 9.5 line is easy money. Holy shit.

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In comment 15296362 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Are these Billups sexual assault allegations from 97 just coming to light? I never heard of the allegations until this past week. Damn I thought I was the only one who'd never heard about it. Something is very fishy about the way this always happens with guys like Kidd and Billups. Their name comes up for head coaching options, and the second they do you also see in the media "these allegations haunt their past" etc. Why does that always seem to happen? We never heard that with Kidd when he was simply being hired as an asst. coach, but as soon as HC opportunities start being discussed with his name the first thing always following it is "well what about x y z allegations?" Who decided JUST NOW to bring this shit up about Billups? Why now? As though he wasn't already an NBA player for 17 years AFTER this incident and an asst. coach for the Clippers last year? We're acting like NOW we have to put him on trial for this shit?

Because when you become a head coach you become face of a franchise, you are a ceo...

an assistant hides in the back ground

Lost a ton tonight.

That Giannis injury looks horrible.

What a complete shift in this series. Holy mackerel.

You can't lose game 4 on your home court and no Trae young.
Giannis can not be the #1 player on a championship team.

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You can't lose game 4 on your home court and no Trae young. Giannis can not be the #1 player on a championship team.

Game was in Atlanta. But I definitely hear you.

I found myself really rooting for the Clippers the other night. I mean 1) because they have to be the most tortured fanbase in sports, 2) I love the energy and belief they play with, especially Jackson and Mann— love their confidence and game. And also 3) Paul George seems like a good guy and I’d love to see him conquer those demons and completely flip (or re-flip I guess?) the script on the whole “playoff P” thing. Imagine after all that shit he somehow leads that team to a title without Kawhi? Clutch or no clutch I don’t think anyone EVER would’ve guessed he had the talent do that as the lead (and lone) all star on a team. He already finished off Utah (best record in the NBA) without Kawhi— imagine coming back from down 3-1 to the Suns. Idk I just think of all the possible stories that would be my favorite.

CP3 I like as a player, even if I sometimes don’t like his personality, but if not the Clippers I wouldn’t mind seeing him win a chip— he’s the true leader of that team , it’s not like he’s just some old dude chasing a ring as the #4 option or something. Amazing how long he’s been able to do what he does, and at just 6 feet tall .

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In comment 15296486 Leg of Theismann said: Quote: In comment 15296362 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Are these Billups sexual assault allegations from 97 just coming to light? I never heard of the allegations until this past week. Damn I thought I was the only one who'd never heard about it. Something is very fishy about the way this always happens with guys like Kidd and Billups. Their name comes up for head coaching options, and the second they do you also see in the media "these allegations haunt their past" etc. Why does that always seem to happen? We never heard that with Kidd when he was simply being hired as an asst. coach, but as soon as HC opportunities start being discussed with his name the first thing always following it is "well what about x y z allegations?" Who decided JUST NOW to bring this shit up about Billups? Why now? As though he wasn't already an NBA player for 17 years AFTER this incident and an asst. coach for the Clippers last year? We're acting like NOW we have to put him on trial for this shit? Because when you become a head coach you become face of a franchise, you are a ceo... an assistant hides in the back ground

I still don’t understand why NOW is the time for it to come up about Billups. I mean it was a quarter century ago and there were no criminal charges whatsoever at any point. And I’m not arguing whether or not I know he’s innocent— it’s just that he was one of the faces of the Pistons franchise for years as a player (AFTER this happened), I’ve seen him on TV on multiple sports talk shows as an analyst. It’s just weird to me that this for some reason just immediately becomes the first topic of discussion as soon as he’s mentioned as a possible HC, but not for any of the other shit he’s done in his life in the public eye? Like it really does just seem to go: “Billups: possible HC candidate. Okay first things first: what kind of offense he’ll probably run? No. something that happened in 1997 that involved no criminal charges and hasn’t been discussed in decades. That’s the logical place to start when evaluation a new NBA coach.”

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The Lakers are finalizing a deal to hire former Knicks and Grizzlies coach David Fizdale as an assistant coach, sources tell ESPN.

the Lakers may not win a game.

when all he has to do is schmooze LeBron.

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the Lakers may not win a game.

I have never seen such a garbage coach defended so much by the media

Move the needle enough with Randle if that was the direction the Knicks went this offseason?

Feb. 1 release date. I’m sure he’s already booked on First Take for an entire week of Knicks bashing.

for Canada against Greece.
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Knicks willing to part with Rj for Dame or Beal

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Knicks willing to part with Rj for Dame or Beal

Oooooh, ehhhhh, yeah okay but only if we don't have to add too much more

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Knicks willing to part with Rj for Dame or Beal

The Knicks were never going to commit to a long term rebuild with Thibs. That's especially true now that there's a 2nd team all NBA player in his prime on the roster.

RJ has to be the centerpiece in a trade for either.

really sounds like there's mutual interest with Oubre
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really sounds like there's mutual interest with Oubre Link - ( New Window )

If you trade for a atar i think Pubre is a good fit, but i am not giving him 20 million a year

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Feb. 1 release date. I’m sure he’s already booked on First Take for an entire week of Knicks bashing.

Can't wait...Haha.

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Knicks willing to part with Rj for Dame or Beal

As they should.

31.6% from 3 and he takes five per game.

69% FT.

Only 1.3 assists.

Good luck with that.

As for RJ, I said at mid-season that Thibs wanted to trade him and nothing changed my opinion. There's a way you handle a player when you believe in him and a way when you don't.

Even when RJ improved his 3 pt percentage to be as good as Bullock and Burks, Thibs coached as though he thought they would make their next one, while RJ would not.

Tough to play for a coach that doesn't believe in you, so probably best for RJ that he go somewhere else.

Suns better win tonight or Good Lord...the pressure of Game 7 will be intense.

Assuming they close it out they’ll get a full week for Booker to heal up and CP3 to rest up. Hope they finish the job.

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and turns into a punk when CP3 shoves it up his ass.

He’s really cementing his legacy as one of the best PGs of all time.

would suck fucking moose cock

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and turns into a punk when CP3 shoves it up his ass.

Beverely is one of the biggest jackasses in the game.

Please no Oubre. He’s the last guy the Knicks need. Hard no.

And willing to include Barrett to get Beal or Lillard is a no brainer. We are talking about the leagues leading scorer and a 1st team all nba player. Need to give up to get something.

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Please no Oubre. He’s the last guy the Knicks need. Hard no. And willing to include Barrett to get Beal or Lillard is a no brainer. We are talking about the leagues leading scorer and a 1st team all nba player. Need to give up to get something.

this is my thinking on Barrett..

If you think he is going to be all nba type player you keep him and max him out..

If you think he is goingnto be a good player 1 all star appearance type player you trade while his value is high...Good players always end up overpaid

on trading lillard said the knicks have a huge advantage in being able to absorb the salary. I wonder if POR would really be willing to accept less to save money. The article references it more as a chance to start over then saving money, but still.

Knicks need to sell it as we can give you a ton of picks and you dont have to absorb salary. Plus a couple kids like Obi and one of Mitch/IQ. Its still a lot honestly, but you keep RJ one of Mitch/IQ and you go from there.

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on trading lillard said the knicks have a huge advantage in being able to absorb the salary. I wonder if POR would really be willing to accept less to save money. The article references it more as a chance to start over then saving money, but still. Knicks need to sell it as we can give you a ton of picks and you dont have to absorb salary. Plus a couple kids like Obi and one of Mitch/IQ. Its still a lot honestly, but you keep RJ one of Mitch/IQ and you go from there.

I think if we kept RJ out of it we'd have to include at least 2 out of Mitch, Obi and IQ if not all 3.

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on trading lillard said the knicks have a huge advantage in being able to absorb the salary. I wonder if POR would really be willing to accept less to save money. The article references it more as a chance to start over then saving money, but still. Knicks need to sell it as we can give you a ton of picks and you dont have to absorb salary. Plus a couple kids like Obi and one of Mitch/IQ. Its still a lot honestly, but you keep RJ one of Mitch/IQ and you go from there.

cap space is of course important but Portland has never really been much of a destination and the Blazers have never been a team that looks to bottom out. They may prefer getting back vets under contract so they can remain competitive. Normally trading a guy like Lillard would be an ownership level decision, but since Paul Allen died I have no clue who's really running the Blazers. His wife?

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In comment 15297512 Italianju said: Quote: on trading lillard said the knicks have a huge advantage in being able to absorb the salary. I wonder if POR would really be willing to accept less to save money. The article references it more as a chance to start over then saving money, but still. Knicks need to sell it as we can give you a ton of picks and you dont have to absorb salary. Plus a couple kids like Obi and one of Mitch/IQ. Its still a lot honestly, but you keep RJ one of Mitch/IQ and you go from there. cap space is of course important but Portland has never really been much of a destination and the Blazers have never been a team that looks to bottom out. They may prefer getting back vets under contract so they can remain competitive. Normally trading a guy like Lillard would be an ownership level decision, but since Paul Allen died I have no clue who's really running the Blazers. His wife?

I'm not sure that they'll really have a choice if they trade Dame. There isn't going to be a package out there in my opinion that would allow them to remain competitive. At best it would be like the Spurs after the Kawhi deal, just barely good enough to compete for an 8th seed.

OKC was in a similar spot two years ago and now they're THE rebuilding team when it comes to cap space and picks. I could see Portland going in that direction. Knicks fandom aside, I do think that's the way to go with these superstar trades. Even Houston's future no longer looks so bleak post-Harden and it has been less than a year.

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2021 Team USA Select Team:

Anthony Edwards
Saddiq Bey
Miles Bridges
Darius Garland
Tyrese Haliburton
Tyler Herro
John Jenkins
Keldon Johnson
Josh Magette
Dakota Mathias
Immanuel Quickly
Naz Reid
Cam Reynolds
Isaiah Stewart
Obi Toppin
PJ Washington
Patrick Williams

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Obi Toppin and Immanuel Quickley were named to the USA Basketball Select team, which will be coached by Erik Spoelstra and will train with the Olympic squad. Great experience for them. #Knicks

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Shams Charania @ShamsCharania 2021 Team USA Select Team: Anthony Edwards Saddiq Bey Miles Bridges Darius Garland Tyrese Haliburton Tyler Herro John Jenkins Keldon Johnson Josh Magette Dakota Mathias Immanuel Quickly Naz Reid Cam Reynolds Isaiah Stewart Obi Toppin PJ Washington Patrick Williams

I want to be impressed but Josh Magette is 31 years old with 26 NBA games and hasn't played in the NBA sinc 2019-220? Mathias 8 NBA games played...John Jenkins was formerly (briefly) with the Knicks

Evan Dammarell
@AmNotEvan
The Miami Heat and New York Knicks are indeed monitoring the Collin Sexton situation in Cleveland, per sources.

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In comment 15297354 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Please no Oubre. He’s the last guy the Knicks need. Hard no. And willing to include Barrett to get Beal or Lillard is a no brainer. We are talking about the leagues leading scorer and a 1st team all nba player. Need to give up to get something. this is my thinking on Barrett.. If you think he is going to be all nba type player you keep him and max him out.. If you think he is goingnto be a good player 1 all star appearance type player you trade while his value is high...Good players always end up overpaid

You do everything you can to keep Barrett out of the deal. I think he is absolutely off the table for Beal.
Dame is a tougher sell but you do it.
Barrett averaged 17.6 points on 44.1% shooting, 40.1 % from 3, 5.8 rebounds and 3.0 assists at 20 years old also he has proven to work hard and get better.
IMO if you add a Dame it will take pressure off of RJ to help him develop and when Dame is 35 in 4 years Barrett will be 25.

Also NYG16 is a Barrett hater and would automatically include him in any deal out there

question about Barrett is: Can he go from 17 PPG to 25? I'm skeptical, mostly because his handle flat out stinks. If his ceiling is 3rd or 4th option then you move him tomorrow, which I think it might be.

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In comment 15297373 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15297354 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Please no Oubre. He’s the last guy the Knicks need. Hard no. And willing to include Barrett to get Beal or Lillard is a no brainer. We are talking about the leagues leading scorer and a 1st team all nba player. Need to give up to get something. this is my thinking on Barrett.. If you think he is going to be all nba type player you keep him and max him out.. If you think he is goingnto be a good player 1 all star appearance type player you trade while his value is high...Good players always end up overpaid You do everything you can to keep Barrett out of the deal. I think he is absolutely off the table for Beal. Dame is a tougher sell but you do it. Barrett averaged 17.6 points on 44.1% shooting, 40.1 % from 3, 5.8 rebounds and 3.0 assists at 20 years old also he has proven to work hard and get better. IMO if you add a Dame it will take pressure off of RJ to help him develop and when Dame is 35 in 4 years Barrett will be 25. Also NYG16 is a Barrett hater and would automatically include him in any deal out there

that is false as i ahve said many times inwould only trade rj for a star and have said many times i would love to keep rj..

and no i dont see Rj ever becoming a star player...sorry i dont

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question about Barrett is: Can he go from 17 PPG to 25? I'm skeptical, mostly because his handle flat out stinks. If his ceiling is 3rd or 4th option then you move him tomorrow, which I think it might be.

exactly

Beal likely costs you RJ too, so I could see us passing on that.

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In comment 15297840 Jon in NYC said: Quote: question about Barrett is: Can he go from 17 PPG to 25? I'm skeptical, mostly because his handle flat out stinks. If his ceiling is 3rd or 4th option then you move him tomorrow, which I think it might be. exactly

I am not at all skeptical on this.
He is strong to the rim and will get stronger as he grows up.
I would think the longer he works his 3 pt shooting will continue to improve and not just be a catch and shoot player.
He needs to continue to work on his mid-range and pull up.
He is a strong defender and takes pride in his defense.
He just turned 21 in June and he already knows what it takes to be a pro.
He is a worker, I think it's a mistake to move him.
Nothing is guaranteed but I would not bet against him 25+ scorer.

If gun to head, I don't think RJ becomes 25 PPG scorer. But then again, I was out on Randle before the season so WTF do I know? Haha.

I still think the odds are long Dame ends up in NY.

Harris kicked out of the league for drugs.

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If gun to head, I don't think RJ becomes 25 PPG scorer. But then again, I was out on Randle before the season so WTF do I know? Haha. I still think the odds are long Dame ends up in NY.

We were all out on Randle before the season.
RJ is showing flashes of the potential at a young age.
I do think Rose really helped RJ play to his potential.

I hope you're right re. RJ. I definitely think it's possible, but I'd probably bet against him ever being that type of scorer. He works his ass off though so it won't be for a lack of trying if it doesn't happen.

I'm in text thread with bunch of cousins-some Knicks fans, some Cs fans-& I floated the idea of Zion turning down the supermax & just saying, 'F it. I'm going to FA.' Would I be surprised? Somewhat, but not totally. That franchise doesn't seem long for that market; the Pels are probably the 10th most popular team in Louisiana right behind LSU women's field hockey. nygiants16 the other day said he was surprised that wasn't more of a desirable job...I think it's not because-IMO-there's a decent chance Zion isn't in NOLA in a few years & the franchise just craters. And the way Zion talked about playing in MSG...I don't think that was just hyperbole.

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I hope you're right re. RJ. I definitely think it's possible, but I'd probably bet against him ever being that type of scorer. He works his ass off though so it won't be for a lack of trying if it doesn't happen. I'm in text thread with bunch of cousins-some Knicks fans, some Cs fans-& I floated the idea of Zion turning down the supermax & just saying, 'F it. I'm going to FA.' Would I be surprised? Somewhat, but not totally. That franchise doesn't seem long for that market; the Pels are probably the 10th most popular team in Louisiana right behind LSU women's field hockey. nygiants16 the other day said he was surprised that wasn't more of a desirable job...I think it's not because-IMO-there's a decent chance Zion isn't in NOLA in a few years & the franchise just craters. And the way Zion talked about playing in MSG...I don't think that was just hyperbole.

something is going on because they cant find a coach, you would think a youbg coach would be excited to take that job, instead Vaughn who seemed to be the favorite said no thank you..

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Evan Dammarell @AmNotEvan The Miami Heat and New York Knicks are indeed monitoring the Collin Sexton situation in Cleveland, per sources.

Is it just me or are the Heat rumored to be involved with every player that has ever hit FA or been made available in a trade? I know it’s a bit of an exaggeration but it seems their name comes up every single time

a rumored destination for Kawhi, too. Must be nice to recruit guys with South Beach, year round summer weather and no state income tax.

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In comment 15297756 Anakim said: Quote: Evan Dammarell @AmNotEvan The Miami Heat and New York Knicks are indeed monitoring the Collin Sexton situation in Cleveland, per sources. Is it just me or are the Heat rumored to be involved with every player that has ever hit FA or been made available in a trade? I know it’s a bit of an exaggeration but it seems their name comes up every single time

Knicks will be too..I Believe Heat have a max slot just like the Knicks

breaking out in Milwaukee. Who needs Giannis when Crazy Eyes is in the gym?

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breaking out in Milwaukee. Who needs Giannis when Crazy Eyes is in the gym?

Lol haven't heard those since I was chanting it at MSG last year when he dropped like 30 on the Bulls haha

What a piece of shit dirty flopper Reggie Miller was kicking his legs out to draw fouls on jumpers.

Knicks have a lot of love for Sexton.

Getting shit done in the biggest game of his career.
Love it

ATL minus Young vs. Bucks without Giannis.
Can we reset now.
What are the 76ers and Nets doing right now?
Can they meet at Rucker park?

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Knicks have a lot of love for Sexton.

I'm definitely in on Sexton for the right price. Think he's a better option than any of the FA PGs. Randle could still be the main facilitator.

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Knicks have a lot of love for Sexton.

Is this something your hearing or basing it off of Leon being his former agent?

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In comment 15297756 Anakim said: Quote: Evan Dammarell @AmNotEvan The Miami Heat and New York Knicks are indeed monitoring the Collin Sexton situation in Cleveland, per sources. Is it just me or are the Heat rumored to be involved with every player that has ever hit FA or been made available in a trade? I know it’s a bit of an exaggeration but it seems their name comes up every single time

One of the best run franchises in sports in the one most desirable cities in the country...makes sense. Also run by one of the true legends of the game. You also don't have to live in Miami during the few months you don't want to- July- September. It's pretty much the perfect NBA destination for players...checks all the boxes. Who wouldn't want to go there?

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In comment 15297934 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 15297756 Anakim said: Quote: Evan Dammarell @AmNotEvan The Miami Heat and New York Knicks are indeed monitoring the Collin Sexton situation in Cleveland, per sources. Is it just me or are the Heat rumored to be involved with every player that has ever hit FA or been made available in a trade? I know it’s a bit of an exaggeration but it seems their name comes up every single time One of the best run franchises in sports in the one most desirable cities in the country...makes sense. Also run by one of the true legends of the game. You also don't have to live in Miami during the few months you don't want to- July- September. It's pretty much the perfect NBA destination for players...checks all the boxes. Who wouldn't want to go there?

Friggen Dave Checkets! Had to run Riley out of town because he was too greedy to give up any power. The one time we had greatness in the Garden since the title days and we let him hey away to the godman Heat. A quarter of a century later he's still competing for championships and beating us to every player.

Good friend at CAA

If Paul opts out, severaly agents of the top point guards in free agency fear he will sign with Knicks

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If Paul opts out, severaly agents of the top point guards in free agency fear he will sign with Knicks

I don't buy it. Winning team, close to his family. Don't buy it.

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In comment 15298243 nygiants16 said: Quote: If Paul opts out, severaly agents of the top point guards in free agency fear he will sign with Knicks I don't buy it. Winning team, close to his family. Don't buy it.

NY is the biggest market in the world. Players have to be attracted to that.

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If Paul opts out, severaly agents of the top point guards in free agency fear he will sign with Knicks

I was dead set against taking on his existing contract (which ending up working out just fine). But I'm drawing the line at a NEW big money deal for him that's probably going to be something like 3/120!

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Good friend at CAA

Pretty sure he isn’t going anywhere

basically chose the Suns so it's hard to see him leaving - especially after a wildly successful season. That said, Sarver is notoriously cheap and may not want to get into the luxury tax for a new deal for Paul plus Ayton who due's for a max contract after next season.

If you can’t keep CP3/Booker/Ayton/Bridges together, why bother owning a team? Phoenix suffered a lot for a team like this.

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If you can’t keep CP3/Booker/Ayton/Bridges together, why bother owning a team? Phoenix suffered a lot for a team like this.

you could have said the same during the Nash era when he wouldn't go into the tax. Might have cost them a championship or two.

Dame
Sexton
Beal
Kwahi
SGA
CP3

Did I miss someone? They're basically in on anyone that might be available.

No one has any idea how this is gonna work out lol.

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Dame Sexton Beal Kwahi SGA CP3 Did I miss someone? They're basically in on anyone that might be available. No one has any idea how this is gonna work out lol.

oh I think I know how it's going to turn out. Get ready to get excited about Kyle Lowry and Demar DeRozan!

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basically chose the Suns so it's hard to see him leaving - especially after a wildly successful season. That said, Sarver is notoriously cheap and may not want to get into the luxury tax for a new deal for Paul plus Ayton who due's for a max contract after next season.

I would be surprised if he left Phoenix bit there was a report that he would of went to the Kbicks if they had full crowds..

but again who knows

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If you can’t keep CP3/Booker/Ayton/Bridges together, why bother owning a team? Phoenix suffered a lot for a team like this.

Because Sarver is a cheapskate.

Didn’t say he was. Friend said Knicks have a lot of interest in him. Works heavy with “The Mans” son.

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In comment 15298243 nygiants16 said: Quote: If Paul opts out, severaly agents of the top point guards in free agency fear he will sign with Knicks I was dead set against taking on his existing contract (which ending up working out just fine). But I'm drawing the line at a NEW big money deal for him that's probably going to be something like 3/120!

Yeah, that's a long of coin for a dude pretty long in the tooth. CP3 is what, 36? 37? He's had a great season obviously, but I'd worry about shelling out that type of money for someone up there in age unless TB12 excelling @ 43 is the new norm across the sports board.

The pressure is off and he can go to NY or anywhere stress free.
Also if I am PHX I would think hard about investing in CP3 if he opts out.
Perfect time to spend it on a younger PG.

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Didn’t say he was. Friend said Knicks have a lot of interest in him. Works heavy with “The Mans” son.

Yup was just saying I'm pretty certain he’s not leaving Cleveland

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The pressure is off and he can go to NY or anywhere stress free. Also if I am PHX I would think hard about investing in CP3 if he opts out. Perfect time to spend it on a younger PG.

larry, I think the Suns win it all. & I think CP3 moves. I just am leery about giving serious coin to a PG in his late 30s, no matter how good he's been this season.

The Philadelphia 76ers recently turned down a deal with the Pacers that included Malcolm Brogdon and a 1st round pick for Ben Simmons, per @JDumasReports https://t.co/HfITF0ElI7

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In comment 15298553 larryflower37 said: Quote: The pressure is off and he can go to NY or anywhere stress free. Also if I am PHX I would think hard about investing in CP3 if he opts out. Perfect time to spend it on a younger PG. larry, I think the Suns win it all. & I think CP3 moves. I just am leery about giving serious coin to a PG in his late 30s, no matter how good he's been this season.

I agree I don't want him either at that age and the cost most like 3 years
But I think Rose and WW Wes might think otherwise and that's my fear.

I'd do it for the right price. He can be a really solid 3 and D guy.

That would be ideal imo.

Bring back Rose and co. We could trade Knox with a second or two to get rid of his salary if needed.

CP3
Powell
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Rose
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IQ
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I simply do not share your optimism that CP3 will decline his option and move on from Phoenix, *regardless* of how the Finals pan out in fact. Honestly what is making you guys believe that will happen? (I’m not asking to be snarky I’d seriously like to know so that I can also be as optimistic as you).

CP3 loves that Suns team. He loves Monty Williams. Have you seen the way his eyes light up when he talks about his time there this year? He specifically chose to go to Phoenix because he wanted to play with Devin Booker, he though it could work well, and he now looks like a genius for his decision. His option next year is $44.2M. Why would he decline that much money to play for a team he now absolutely loves? Why would he now at this age choose to try to start over somewhere else hoping it’ll work out just as nicely as the Suns did? It took him 16 years to find the right team to get to the finals with, why would he jump out of the boat now?

Again— regardless of what happens in the Finals, why would he leave? If they lose, he still knows this team is his best shot at winning a title before he retires (which is his #1 concern at this point). Plus he would probably figure they’re a young team and will only come back better next year. And if they win the Finals? Why would he leave? He’s gonna look at that young team and think “let’s run that shit back.” You know the only thing better than a ring? Getting 2 rings (as Just Tuck would say lol).

Maybe y’all are thinking this was just a 1 year layover plan for CP3? And hey maybe that was a possibility if it didn’t turn out so well. But it did. It REALLY did. It turned out as good as it possibly could have. The Suns missed the playoffs 10 years in a row and had a super young team with no playoff experience... NO ONE expected to see them in the Finals. Yet here they are. The season was a success no matter how you slice it and no matter what happens in the next few weeks.

He literally has everything he wants in Phoenix next year... a team he loves—, a coach he loves both on a personal and professional level, a team that can win a title... oh and $45 million. And I don’t see the Suns screwing around trying to restructure/low-Ball him, they want this man back and they want him to retire in Phoenix. He isn’t going anywhere IMO.

The Suns are a perfect team right now so I think they win it all this year and I think they try to repeat next year. CP3 loves this situation. I mean Booker can score at all 3 levels with his eyes closed, which takes so much pressure off CP3 and allows him to just play freely and focus on facilitating the offense— he doesn’t have to force his scoring so he ends up being a super efficient scorer. Also what classic old school “ floor general” PG like Paul doesn’t love a great big man who plays like Ayton? Ayton is definitely going to be an all star next year (and is playing like one in these playoffs), which essentially means the Suns have 3 all stars. On top of that — every championship team needs a guy exactly like Jae Crowder. Just a classic solid 3-D guy with plenty of experience. Oh and not to mention other terrific young players in Bridges and Johnson. Plus Payne who looks like he could very well be a 6MOY candidate next year. Plus a coach who can put it all together both on a personal leadership level and an X’s and O’s Level.

I just don’t see why Paul would ever think of declining that option.

Paul leave a place at the end of his career where he can actually win titles to go to the Knicks?

He doesnt have any connection to the NY area.

Maybe he would have done it last year instead of going to Phoenix because no one looked at Phoenix as a title contender before now, but you have to look at them that way now and he's in a great situation

He can secure more guaranteed money than he's currently owed. It's really that simple.

but i dont think he is leaving PHX. The only thing i can see is what many posters above said. Paul opts out and Sarver gets cheap. That said i cant see how you can even try to sell that to fans. You are the title favorite this year, if you win and Paul opts out are you really going to let him walk away.

is classic 'leak a story to the press to improve the market for your client'.

Paul is opting out and resigning. Rumors of other teams are to drive up the price for PHO, IMO.

by a pretty good Knicks content creator who recently joined the fray. I think he gets a little carried away with the possible trade up for Suggs, but otherwise it’s worth a listen.
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I'm curious to see what Sarver does; I am of the belief CP3 opts out too. Sarver is notorious for being cheap as hell & Phoenix gave Booker a max deal & Deandre is going to merit serious coin too...it'll be interesting to see what the Suns end up doing.

basically means they're in the national team pool and get to scrimmage with the US Olympic team in Vegas leading up to the Olympics. Can't hurt.
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Looking like Bucks/Suns in the Finals.

Early exits for Brooklyn and Philly, Hawks get beat (eventually), and now CP3 or Giannis gets a legacy changing title. Worked out pretty well after the Knicks’ no-show in round one.

to Hair Club for Men? They're playing off him and daring him to take long jumpers, which he doesn't want to do. He either takes the long shot or tries to drive into a collapsed defense with Bucks all over the place.

The Knicks just couldn't figure that out.

Milwaukee up eight with three minutes left.

Let’s get that over with and move on to the usual off-season craziness.

they (Hawks) went a long way when the Nets and Sixers didn't.

Bucks are the East reps in the finals - I have no problem with that.

The finals will be interesting. Actually, if the Knicks hadn't revived this year I'd probably have no interest, but now I'm thinking about the Knicks as a playoff team again next year (which I think they'll be).

But he is going to want a 3 year max deal.
I could see PHX not want to do that long of a deal at max money.
They have a lot of youth to pay over the next couple of years.
The Knicks will be leverage CP3 on any deal he gets.
I don't want him on the Knicks for 3 years max money either but Rose might do that deal.
Fingers crossed he reups in PHX.

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But he is going to want a 3 year max deal. I could see PHX not want to do that long of a deal at max money. They have a lot of youth to pay over the next couple of years. The Knicks will be leverage CP3 on any deal he gets. I don't want him on the Knicks for 3 years max money either but Rose might do that deal. Fingers crossed he reups in PHX.

Can I just ask, why are your posts so weird? You and Carson53.
Every sentence needs its own line?
I don't understand.
Your posts are interesting due to their content.
But it's like ham n egger stuff.
And there are a shitload of errors both in content and grammar.
I'm so confused.
But that's not surprising, right?
Cool.

He said the Atlanta crowd didn't feel like it was as fired up as it should have been for an elimination game

Without Robinson but with a healthy Noel, the entire series would have been different. It's really easy to forget how well Noel was doing as a rim protector and a defender against big, athletic centers until he got hurt.

I also blame Thibs a bit for not giving Toppin some more of Randall's minutes late in the season. Randall was plumb worn out.

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Without Robinson but with a healthy Noel, the entire series would have been different. It's really easy to forget how well Noel was doing as a rim protector and a defender against big, athletic centers until he got hurt. I also blame Thibs a bit for not giving Toppin some more of Randall's minutes late in the season. Randall was plumb worn out.

No way Toppin was ready early in the season to take on minutes, he was an absolute liability out there for the first 40 games. If he wasn't a top 10 pick I doubt he would have gotten minutes at all for most of the season.
Also ATL had a ton of injuries all season and was finally healthy in the playoffs.
In the end the Knicks were the 5th best team in the east.

signs 4 year deal to be permanent head coach for the Hawks

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signs 4 year deal to be permanent head coach for the Hawks

Well deserved. He did a great job with the Hawks.

Larryflowers 37, I said he should have been used more late in the season, you said Toppin wasn't ready early in the season. So what are we arguing about?

Would be a nice add to the repertoire.

And, of course, I agree with the comments on the tweet.


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Larryflowers 37, I said he should have been used more late in the season, you said Toppin wasn't ready early in the season. So what are we arguing about?

Sorry mis read but I still don't feel he could have eaten to Randle's minutes late with the playoff push.

that the nets are circumventing the cap to pay Durant and Kyrie...Basically when they signed, they signed them to their contracts but also told them they will pay for anytging they need

names from a hat would have a better result than this

Tommy Beer
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Knicks starting point guard on opening night since 2009:

2009: Chris Duhon
2010: Ray Felton
2011: Toney Douglas
2012: Ray Felton
2013: Pablo Prigioni
2014: Shane Larkin
2015: Jose Calderon
2016: D Rose
2017: Ramon Sessions
2018: Trey Burke
2019: Allonzo Trier
2020: Elfrid Payton

there is an insurance issue I'm genuinely surprised nobody has given Isaiah Austin a look. He's played well at different stops overseas, he's still only 27. Other leagues have cleared him to play, I guess the NBA doesn't want blood on their hands?

guard from WVU is staying in the draft

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I'd do it for the right price. He can be a really solid 3 and D guy.

Absolutely not.

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that the nets are circumventing the cap to pay Durant and Kyrie...Basically when they signed, they signed them to their contracts but also told them they will pay for anytging they need

some writer did a book about the Kyrie/KD Nets. The link below is an interview the writer did with Lebatard. The guy comes across as kind of weird and very self important. Regardless, he says some interesting stuff but most of it's ho-hum.

With regard to the cap, he basically said the Nets pay for all kinds of personal stuff for Kyrie/KD. The writer didn't even seem that interested in discussing it. Maybe it's because he doesn't have an NBA background and doesn't really get the significance of the cap? If it were true, the NBA would probably fine the Nets or dock them a second round pick unless maybe some powerful owners complained.
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guard from WVU is staying in the draft

One of several guys who would be a welcome addition to our backcourt.

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In comment 15300130 nygiants16 said: Quote: guard from WVU is staying in the draft One of several guys who would be a welcome addition to our backcourt.

I think he is a Thibs guard

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In comment 15300225 bceagle05 said: Quote: In comment 15300130 nygiants16 said: Quote: guard from WVU is staying in the draft One of several guys who would be a welcome addition to our backcourt. I think he is a Thibs guard

like Payton? lol...

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that the nets are circumventing the cap to pay Durant and Kyrie...Basically when they signed, they signed them to their contracts but also told them they will pay for anytging they need

Interesting.

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names from a hat would have a better result than this Tommy Beer @TommyBeer · 6h Knicks starting point guard on opening night since 2009: 2009: Chris Duhon 2010: Ray Felton 2011: Toney Douglas 2012: Ray Felton 2013: Pablo Prigioni 2014: Shane Larkin 2015: Jose Calderon 2016: D Rose 2017: Ramon Sessions 2018: Trey Burke 2019: Allonzo Trier 2020: Elfrid Payton

so depressing. During that time, the only above average stretches of PG play they've had in no particular order:
-Linsanity (duh)
-Pablo/Felton/Kidd trio at the beginning of 2012/2013 season
-Derrick Rose we just saw in 2021
-2 good weeks from Chancey Billups in 2011 before he got hurt

That might be it.

Honorable mention to the random ridiculous performances Nate Robinson would have once in a while.

Chris Duhon...Good God. I haven't thought of him in ages.

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In comment 15300226 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15300225 bceagle05 said: Quote: In comment 15300130 nygiants16 said: Quote: guard from WVU is staying in the draft One of several guys who would be a welcome addition to our backcourt. I think he is a Thibs guard like Payton? lol...

hahaha no thank god..

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Chris Duhon...Good God. I haven't thought of him in ages.

Donnie gave him the full MLE over two years which was an overpay. The guy was basically average at everything. He had some fun moments running Dantonis offense but then again so did most guards.

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In comment 15300105 nygiants16 said: Quote: that the nets are circumventing the cap to pay Durant and Kyrie...Basically when they signed, they signed them to their contracts but also told them they will pay for anytging they need some writer did a book about the Kyrie/KD Nets. The link below is an interview the writer did with Lebatard. The guy comes across as kind of weird and very self important. Regardless, he says some interesting stuff but most of it's ho-hum. With regard to the cap, he basically said the Nets pay for all kinds of personal stuff for Kyrie/KD. The writer didn't even seem that interested in discussing it. Maybe it's because he doesn't have an NBA background and doesn't really get the significance of the cap? If it were true, the NBA would probably fine the Nets or dock them a second round pick unless maybe some powerful owners complained. Link - ( New Window )

He also accuses the Knicks of tampering with KD while under contract
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Eh, there's so much tampering that I just shrug. All these guys are having convos with each other with a wink & a nod from management.

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In comment 15300223 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 15300105 nygiants16 said: Quote: that the nets are circumventing the cap to pay Durant and Kyrie...Basically when they signed, they signed them to their contracts but also told them they will pay for anytging they need some writer did a book about the Kyrie/KD Nets. The link below is an interview the writer did with Lebatard. The guy comes across as kind of weird and very self important. Regardless, he says some interesting stuff but most of it's ho-hum. With regard to the cap, he basically said the Nets pay for all kinds of personal stuff for Kyrie/KD. The writer didn't even seem that interested in discussing it. Maybe it's because he doesn't have an NBA background and doesn't really get the significance of the cap? If it were true, the NBA would probably fine the Nets or dock them a second round pick unless maybe some powerful owners complained. Link - ( New Window ) He also accuses the Knicks of tampering with KD while under contract Link - ( New Window )

again, to me this is where the guy shows he wasn't really an NBA guy before writing the book. The Knicks were tampering with a guy who'd already been tampered with. The Nets knew they were getting KD in early June when they made the Crabbe trade.

Is he truly more likely to get hurt and miss a lot of time these next 2-3 years as he was the prior 2-3? Maybe maybe not. He’s in great shape.

What you have to ask is what the Knicks do after signing Paul? If they traded for a star while keeping Randle and RJB, and actually headed into 2022 with room for one more max? Which might actually be possible with the Randle being signed last, maybe, that’s a team with some serious star power and one that would be vastly improved for next season with room for more in 22, maybe...

Some guys can play into their late 30s... why not Paul. And maybe the suns owner gets cold feet yet again. I might have to do that move.

You’d have Paul, RJB, Randle and the (hopefully) traded for veteran from this offseason. Along with some of the holdover vets like Rose? And room for one more in 22? ( not 100% sure but I’d bet it’s doable)

Yeah I might have to do that. It’s risky but there’s a payoff.

how people have basically forgotten that Chris Paul is a total dirtbag as a player.

Sure, great player. But total jerkoff and it's nauseating hearing the media trip over themselves to blow him first.

to go to the Knicks? The combo of him Booker and Ayton isn’t going to be matched unless he brings someone with him. And why go through all that when you already have it?

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to go to the Knicks? The combo of him Booker and Ayton isn’t going to be matched unless he brings someone with him. And why go through all that when you already have it?

If they win i wouodnt be shocked if he left..

If theyblose i would be shocked if he left

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to go to the Knicks? The combo of him Booker and Ayton isn’t going to be matched unless he brings someone with him. And why go through all that when you already have it?

he may not want NY but given the circumstances, it would not be surprising if he left to get more guaranteed money.

public negotiations for him to get the most he can on what will be his last contract. He's not leaving Monty and that core, IMO.

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public negotiations for him to get the most he can on what will be his last contract. He's not leaving Monty and that core, IMO.

with almost any other owner I'd say you're right. But Sarver has a reputation for a reason. And Paul is head of the union.

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public negotiations for him to get the most he can on what will be his last contract. He's not leaving Monty and that core, IMO.

is it that crazy for a player to leave a good to great team for another?

Paul at age 36 is also thinking about post playing career at that point, same reason Lebron went to Lakers..

I am not saying Paul is coming to NY, but i dont think it is that crazy he leaves Phoenix..

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In comment 15300531 Heisenberg said: Quote: public negotiations for him to get the most he can on what will be his last contract. He's not leaving Monty and that core, IMO. with almost any other owner I'd say you're right. But Sarver has a reputation for a reason. And Paul is head of the union.

This is a fair point. The owner is a bit different in that regard.

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In comment 15300531 Heisenberg said: Quote: public negotiations for him to get the most he can on what will be his last contract. He's not leaving Monty and that core, IMO. is it that crazy for a player to leave a good to great team for another? Paul at age 36 is also thinking about post playing career at that point, same reason Lebron went to Lakers.. I am not saying Paul is coming to NY, but i dont think it is that crazy he leaves Phoenix..

It's not crazy. Just really unlikely, IMO. I'd personally love it because he's one of my favorite players in the league. Always has been. I'd take old-ass Chris Paul who would be the best PG since we had old-ass Jason Kidd.

Payne has played really well and is an UFA after the season. Turns 27 in August and given his per 36 #'s could thrive in a starting role. It's not a sexy move but could be a smart way to use some cap space with good upside.