NFT: Post lottery Knicks/NBA talk.

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In comment 15293128 UConn4523 said: Quote: why so much hate for the Hawks? They are the anti-NBA championship blueprint, it’s awesome. I get why Young is a turnoff for people who prefer players don’t talk shit but he does, he backs it up, and you tip your cap. This may not be great for ratings but it’s great for the game of basketball which has been largely unwatchable. Hawks are must see TV right now. its not just the shit talking, it is the constant whining yo officials, flopping all over the place, intiating the contact and getting the call every single time... then complain ehen the other team gets the same call..

Sounds like [insert every star player here].

In comment 15293151 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 15293146 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15293128 UConn4523 said: Quote: why so much hate for the Hawks? They are the anti-NBA championship blueprint, it’s awesome. I get why Young is a turnoff for people who prefer players don’t talk shit but he does, he backs it up, and you tip your cap. This may not be great for ratings but it’s great for the game of basketball which has been largely unwatchable. Hawks are must see TV right now. its not just the shit talking, it is the constant whining yo officials, flopping all over the place, intiating the contact and getting the call every single time... then complain ehen the other team gets the same call.. Sounds like [insert every star player here].

sounds like james harden,not every player gets the calls young does, its not even close..

are going to be agressive looking for a veteran to accelerate their rebuild and are dangling their picks..

Is Rj a veteran they would be interested in?

Rj, 19,21,32 and future 1st

In comment 15293164 nygiants16 said:

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are going to be agressive looking for a veteran to accelerate their rebuild and are dangling their picks.. Is Rj a veteran they would be interested in? Rj, 19,21,32 and future 1st

I wouldn't trade RJ for another pick other than maybe Cade. I know he has a ways to go but he's proven that he's a quality NBA player. Too risky to trade him for someone like Suggs imo.

In comment 15293164 nygiants16 said:

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are going to be agressive looking for a veteran to accelerate their rebuild and are dangling their picks.. Is Rj a veteran they would be interested in? Rj, 19,21,32 and future 1st

But than who would you hate on in game threads?

Seriously, you don't trade that much for an unknown especially a young player that has shown he can play in this league.

rather keep RJ and trade the 3 picks this year for Davion Mitchell. Especially if he falls a bit during the process, that should be enough ammo to get to the 8-10 range.

Could even bring Rose back at that point and those two split PG duties.

In comment 15293169 Jon in NYC said:

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rather keep RJ and trade the 3 picks this year for Davion Mitchell. Especially if he falls a bit during the process, that should be enough ammo to get to the 8-10 range. Could even bring Rose back at that point and those two split PG duties.

a chance to get Suggs is appealing and you are saving more cap space

we need more cap space?

Who are we even definitely trying to sign? I love Norm Powell, and would love to bring him over, but there are otherwise a bunch of really flawed guys out there.

In comment 15293175 Jon in NYC said:

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we need more cap space? Who are we even definitely trying to sign? I love Norm Powell, and would love to bring him over, but there are otherwise a bunch of really flawed guys out there.

I guess the question is how do view rj and how do you view the top 4 in the draft

starting to think the best use of the cap space is to absorb a max contract and jump start someone else's rebuild. Going back for Beal, or Lavine, or obviously Lillard.

Some bleacher report writer proposed this which I would do in a second but does take up significant cap:

Washington Wizards receive: Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, No. 19 pick, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick (via Dallas, top-10 protected), 2024 first-round pick, 2026 first-round pick (top-eight protected)
New York Knicks receive: Bradley Beal

I would love to trade up to get him not sure that 19, 21 and 32 gets it done. The other thing that stinks is none of the teams 8-11 have any really big salary dumps unless New Orleans at 10 wants to dump adams or bledsoe.

Does 19, 21 and 32 get you to 10 if you take in adams? Would you even want adams at $17 million for 2 years to get mitchell?

I would gladly take on bledsoe but not sure if Pelicans consider him a salary dump they may want some return for him.

take Adams or Bledsoe in a salary dump. Hoping we can accomplish more with our cap space.

Deuce McBride of WVU is a guy I think will ultimately be better and will not likely require a trade up. I'd like the roster to look like this:

PG: Spencer Dinwiddie via FA 3y at 17mm per, Derrick Rose 1y 7.5mm per, Deuce McBride via draft at 19

SG: Reggie Bullock, Immanual Quickley, Josh Christopher (massively underrated by draft sites) via draft at 32

SF: RJ Barrett, Ziaire Williams via trade at 9 per trade or Mitch Robinson + pick 21 for pick 9 w Sacto Kings. Note: both RJB and ZW can play SG as well.

PF: Julius Randle w/ a 4 year 25mm per extension, Obi Toppin

C: Nerlens Noel, Kevon Looney via FA, Taj Gibson

Rose, Thibs, Perrin, Kline and a few other scouts all at the combine today

In comment 15293046 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Didn’t think he had this in him right now. Kid is a killer. I’d still bet everything on the Bucks this series but what Trae did to Jrue and the Bucks tonight was something else.

^This. What an awesome performance by Young. He's been incredible in the playoffs.

In comment 15293180 Jon in NYC said:

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starting to think the best use of the cap space is to absorb a max contract and jump start someone else's rebuild. Going back for Beal, or Lavine, or obviously Lillard. Some bleacher report writer proposed this which I would do in a second but does take up significant cap: Washington Wizards receive: Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, No. 19 pick, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick (via Dallas, top-10 protected), 2024 first-round pick, 2026 first-round pick (top-eight protected) New York Knicks receive: Bradley Beal

5 1sts Quickley and Toppin is just too much to give up for Beal. That's just about every last asset we have. How do we get better after that? We're pretty much married to RJ, Randle and Beal as our core. That team isn't contending to get out of the East. I know it might not be a popular opinion but I think Beal is a bit overrated. He's an elite scorer and can do other things but not really top tier at anything else. Of course I'd love him on the Knicks but getting rid of just about every draft pick and 2 young assets for him is a bit much. I'd do it for Dame but not him. I'm fine star hunting but I'd also be fine keeping a lot of assets and building something sustainable piece by piece like Atlanta, Phoenix and Utah did. Unlike the past we have top notch talent evaluators scouting so I trust them a lot more with these draft picks.

Not sure if he could take the pounding. Reggie Miller did. If he drove that lane he would have been knocked on his ass so hard he wouldn’t do it again. League needs to let teams play. I get the superstar thing but so many players are sitting games out anyway so let the defenses play. Is there any such thing as a hard foul anymore?

In comment 15293180 Jon in NYC said:

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starting to think the best use of the cap space is to absorb a max contract and jump start someone else's rebuild. Going back for Beal, or Lavine, or obviously Lillard. Some bleacher report writer proposed this which I would do in a second but does take up significant cap: Washington Wizards receive: Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, No. 19 pick, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick (via Dallas, top-10 protected), 2024 first-round pick, 2026 first-round pick (top-eight protected) New York Knicks receive: Bradley Beal

I'm sure thats what it would take and its a fair deal for Beal but its still a lot to give up. I know you are getting an all nba player, but you are essentially going all in on the core of Randle, RJ and Beal.

I'd prefer nabbing a couple good free agents this summer between Ball, Trent Jr, Barton, Powell, Collins, Graham etc. Would also be open to going after Lowry on a big but short deal.

If there is any avenue to move up to the top 4 in the draft I would be all over it. But I would bet Suggs falls right in the lap of the Raptors...

In comment 15293180 Jon in NYC said:

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starting to think the best use of the cap space is to absorb a max contract and jump start someone else's rebuild. Going back for Beal, or Lavine, or obviously Lillard. Some bleacher report writer proposed this which I would do in a second but does take up significant cap: Washington Wizards receive: Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, No. 19 pick, 2022 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick (via Dallas, top-10 protected), 2024 first-round pick, 2026 first-round pick (top-eight protected) New York Knicks receive: Bradley Beal

I would do this in a heartbeat.
If done this year, the Knicks would still have cap space to sign another top FA target like devonte Graham or Lonzo Ball.
I don't think Beal will be available even with this type of deal.
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with teaming Lowry and Derozan for a couple of years, and trading for a star that becomes available..

we would still have a good amount of picks including one this year (21) and our own in 23. I like IQ and i think Obi improves next year, we were already starting to see it, but you have to give to get. Even with beal wouldnt we be able to sign a pretty significant FA this offseason or next? So you wouldnt be getting Beal and have zero avenues to improve more.

is a player I'd like to get at 19. Really solid shooter, good defender, and could step in to replace which wings they may lose.

Obviously the Knicks need PG help, but the guys when they begin to pick cannot shoot (Cooper and Dosunmu) which is a non-starter in the league now. I'd take a chance that Jared Butler could improve on his playmaking.

hope guys like RJ, obi, IQ take a step forward. Maybe mitch makes strides and stays healthy. We are going to add a rookie or two, maybe we hit. THen keep a max spot open for next year and take a shot at whoever makes it to free agency. I mean you might be able to get beal and keep all the picks and players.

In comment 15293294 BigBlueFootball44 said:

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is a player I'd like to get at 19. Really solid shooter, good defender, and could step in to replace which wings they may lose. Obviously the Knicks need PG help, but the guys when they begin to pick cannot shoot (Cooper and Dosunmu) which is a non-starter in the league now. I'd take a chance that Jared Butler could improve on his playmaking.

I like Duarte as well. If he was 19 instead of 22 he'd go top 10.

I'd prefer Dinwiddie to Lowry to be honest. Both are injury prone, but I'd go for the guy who is still trying to prove himself over the guy who is going to be 36 and already has a ring.

In comment 15293300 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15293294 BigBlueFootball44 said: Quote: is a player I'd like to get at 19. Really solid shooter, good defender, and could step in to replace which wings they may lose. Obviously the Knicks need PG help, but the guys when they begin to pick cannot shoot (Cooper and Dosunmu) which is a non-starter in the league now. I'd take a chance that Jared Butler could improve on his playmaking. I like Duarte as well. If he was 19 instead of 22 he'd go top 10.

He just turned 24

In comment 15293305 adamg said:

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In comment 15293300 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15293294 BigBlueFootball44 said: Quote: is a player I'd like to get at 19. Really solid shooter, good defender, and could step in to replace which wings they may lose. Obviously the Knicks need PG help, but the guys when they begin to pick cannot shoot (Cooper and Dosunmu) which is a non-starter in the league now. I'd take a chance that Jared Butler could improve on his playmaking. I like Duarte as well. If he was 19 instead of 22 he'd go top 10. He just turned 24

Sorry yeah that's what I meant. Either way I think he should be ready to contribute day 1. Maybe makes someone like Burks expendable.

In comment 15293302 Jon in NYC said:

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I'd prefer Dinwiddie to Lowry to be honest. Both are injury prone, but I'd go for the guy who is still trying to prove himself over the guy who is going to be 36 and already has a ring.

I'd also prefer Dinwiddie. Although if you sign a guy like Dinwiddie you probably can't sign DeRozan simply because neither shoots the 3. Regardless, I think we end up keeping at least 2 of the Bullock/Burks/Rose trio which I wouldn't mind.

In comment 15293310 Enzo said:

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In comment 15293302 Jon in NYC said: Quote: I'd prefer Dinwiddie to Lowry to be honest. Both are injury prone, but I'd go for the guy who is still trying to prove himself over the guy who is going to be 36 and already has a ring. I'd also prefer Dinwiddie. Although if you sign a guy like Dinwiddie you probably can't sign DeRozan simply because neither shoots the 3. Regardless, I think we end up keeping at least 2 of the Bullock/Burks/Rose trio which I wouldn't mind.

He's not a great shooter by % but he does take a lot of them. 5.4, 5.4, 6.3 his last 3 years. If he can figure out that part of his game it really changes his ceiling as a player.

fans, but I'd love to have him on the Knicks.

that Dinwiddie is going to end up with the Lakers in a S&T that's going to end up with the Nets getting better and me being pissed off.

is interesting:

@NBADraftWass
Had a chance to watch Tre Mann work out late last night. His shot is gonna be persuasive during workouts. Effortless shooting range out to the logo.

my hatred of the Hawks/Trae Young has subsided. They're a really good team and I think they beat Milwaukee.

I threw $20 down on them before Game 7 on winning the title. Odds were 23-1.

Simmons agent and the sixers are meeting to discuss future, so far no trade request made and the sixers have told them they want to keep him and work on his shooting

backed up all the talk in each round. While I think the Knicks could have done more and been competitive, McMillan and Young have proved they're not a fluke. And frankly, it's nice that the Knicks are good enough where they could be building a rivalry again.

Mann is my favorite ‘sleeper’ pick made huge improvements from year 1. Doesn’t remind me of donovan mitchell game, but big leap from year 1 to year 2 like mitchell took. I don’t think Mann will be there at 19 even those these expert mocks have him late first. I have not done all my draft research yet, but if we can’t get davion mitchell, I would be trading 19 and 32 to try to get to 14-16 and get Mann.

Just to not confusion I am referring to donovan mitchell from jazz big jump at Louisville year 1 to 2, kind of confusing with davion mitchell in this draft

Zaire williams will not be drafted at 9, we would not trade up to 9 for him, it would be davion mitchell. Zaire may be there at 19, at best 13-18 range

In comment 15293395 GMEN46 said:

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Zaire williams will not be drafted at 9, we would not trade up to 9 for him, it would be davion mitchell. Zaire may be there at 19, at best 13-18 range

I disagree. I agree ZW is presently 13-18 on various draft sites but will fly up into single digit range. In my opinion, he's just too big, too fluid, too talented to fall further. For example, to take Franz Wagner over ZW is just not reasonable.

But probably needs to add 30 lbs over the next 3-4 years, can’t see the Knicks drafting a guy for down the road.

and likely to take Cade would the Knicks consider a trade for Killian Hayes? Would any of you trade Obi straight up for him? They were picked around the same place. Likely to get a bit of a discount because for the Pistons it would represent a better allocation of resources. I am a BIG fan of Obi but we do need a point guard.

In comment 15293411 Chris L. said:

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and likely to take Cade would the Knicks consider a trade for Killian Hayes? Would any of you trade Obi straight up for him? They were picked around the same place. Likely to get a bit of a discount because for the Pistons it would represent a better allocation of resources. I am a BIG fan of Obi but we do need a point guard.

This is a good idea. Its in the same spirit of Collin Sexton being a possible trade target.

both interview with Knicks at combine

be within reach. Mann I like as well, not explosive or quick but very shifty, has handle and pace. Keon Johnson is a freak athlete who will go before our pick, but Christopher is not far behind and probably a little more skilled.

I could see Thibs liking Pons from UT. Great defender, apparently can shoot a little. He’s the definition of 3 and D.

Having said that, I don’t understand the notion that Thibs won’t want 3 rookies. Because he’s here we should trade our picks for veterans? What have the front office been doing for the last 2 years then? Should we roll up to Deng and Boozer’s houses? Should we sacrifice potential for someone plug and play like Duarte because that’s more to Thibs’ liking?

Marc Berman
@NYPost_Berman
UConn scorer James Bouknight out of Brooklyn said he interviewed with Knicks and made sure they knew where he's from.
2:47 PM · Jun 24, 2021

we'd probably reach an area of the draft that hasn't been kind to us in the recent past.

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"super"

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"super"

As a prospect (not the current All NBA version), he reminds me of Paul George. Tremendous ceiling for ZW...top 5 ceiling in this draft class.

In comment 15293472 bceagle05 said:

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we'd probably reach an area of the draft that hasn't been kind to us in the recent past.

True but there different talent evaluators and scouts calling the shots so have more confidence in them calling the shots. We raided organizations like Utah that know what they are doing.