NFT: Post lottery Knicks/NBA talk.

In comment 15294509 nygiants16 said:

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OKC has quietly made SGA available in trade talks due to timing of their rebuild and they dont thinknhebfits the timeline

Lol what? He’s 22 years old, how long is their rebuild going to take? I guess they don’t plan on being good any time in the next 10 years.

15 times, but as of 6/26 I think the Knicks trade up to the 10 range and take Moses Moody, who interviewed with the team. Basically a 3/D wing, a straight replacement for Bullock and someone who can fit into any lineup.

I do it now. Who else?

In comment 15294527 Mike in NJ said:

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In comment 15294509 nygiants16 said: Quote: OKC has quietly made SGA available in trade talks due to timing of their rebuild and they dont thinknhebfits the timeline Lol what? He’s 22 years old, how long is their rebuild going to take? I guess they don’t plan on being good any time in the next 10 years.

because they are going to have to max him out and theybprobably figure he is not going to have a lot of patience

In comment 15294582 Carl in CT said:

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I do it now. Who else?

My guess is that it'll take more than that.

but how many more draft picks does OKC need? It’s getting silly at this point.

In comment 15294582 Carl in CT said:

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I do it now. Who else?

are you drunk?

he is 22 and getting better. At worst you resign him and look to move him in a couple years if the rebuild is still awful. What do they care about capspace. We expecting some big time Free agents to joing up in Oklahoma.

Maybe they are considering trading him if Det will give them the #1 pick or something like that.

to shop SGA. Talking about SGA's plantar injury;

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"It's not something that you should really mess around with," Daigneault said. "If we got aggressive with him, it could compromise him long term, which makes no sense for us for a player that is as important to our franchise as he is."

And according to Daily Knicks Fansided, Bontemps only said on a podcast that SGA "could" be made available, not that he has been.


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In comment 15294584 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15294527 Mike in NJ said: Quote: In comment 15294509 nygiants16 said: Quote: OKC has quietly made SGA available in trade talks due to timing of their rebuild and they dont thinknhebfits the timeline Lol what? He’s 22 years old, how long is their rebuild going to take? I guess they don’t plan on being good any time in the next 10 years. because they are going to have to max him out and theybprobably figure he is not going to have a lot of patience

So what if they have to max him? Who else are they giving that money to? Only reason to even consider trading him is if he has said he will not resign when his contract is up.

Moody sounds really interesting, coming around #10 in some mocks. However, there is a real difference of agreement as to how high the Knicks could go for their two #1 picks. One mock had them only getting up to #15 or so.

On the good news side, most of the mocks show players with real talent and upside all the way through the first round--a very unusually deep draft, with roughly three tiers--the 1-4 very likely stars, the roughly 5-11 with talent that kick in very quickly, and a whole bunch of players below that with talent and upside, but more risk.

In fact, although most mocks don't show round #2, the ones that do suggest real upside early in the second round, where the Knicks also pick. Example: Draftnet has players with total scores around 89-90 in the early second round, versus a 90-91 in the late-middle first round. And if Fansided's detailed scouting reports are at all accurate, they show real potential all the way through the first round at all four spots--pg, sg, sf, big. (Link)

A key point of mine is that with the Knicks' current aggressive scouting network, which got them Quickley last year, they should get two players with talent and upside from a trade up plus the pick at 32.


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that the Knicks are looking for 3 and d wings, unless complete lie, you would think their number 1 goal was to find a point guard

No Kawhi tonight for Clips; I'm rooting like hell for the Suns tonight.

I think I understand the thinking:

1) Get an experienced pg on a 1-year contract, with potentially more pg talent up as FAs next year. Or, someone like Ball.

2) Get a young, big 3 with all-around talent, including a 3-point shot, potentially through the draft. There are some up there in the range the Knicks could get to with a trade-up.

3) Go for a star pg in 2022 if they don't get a FA they like for the long term this year.

In comment 15294718 nygiants16 said:

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that the Knicks are looking for 3 and d wings, unless complete lie, you would think their number 1 goal was to find a point guard

I dont think they're going to search for their starting PG in the draft. Definitely easier to get a 3/D wing to replace Bullock.

In comment 15294734 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15294718 nygiants16 said: Quote: that the Knicks are looking for 3 and d wings, unless complete lie, you would think their number 1 goal was to find a point guard I dont think they're going to search for their starting PG in the draft. Definitely easier to get a 3/D wing to replace Bullock.

thata true, i just hope they have a plan to grt a vet

released an article today breaking down the options. There are a lot of in house connections to Jalen Brunson, mostly through his Dad, who was on every staff Thibs had until now. Wonder if the Knicks try to make a trade there.

said that a Billups hire could lead to a Lillard trade, which I'm not sure I buy, but his reasoning is that a rookie head coach is basically not who you want if you're trying to win now, which is actually decent rationale.

In comment 15294740 Jon in NYC said:

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said that a Billups hire could lead to a Lillard trade, which I'm not sure I buy, but his reasoning is that a rookie head coach is basically not who you want if you're trying to win now, which is actually decent rationale.

it would be decent rationale if Lillard didnt basically hand pick Billups

In comment 15294747 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15294740 Jon in NYC said: Quote: said that a Billups hire could lead to a Lillard trade, which I'm not sure I buy, but his reasoning is that a rookie head coach is basically not who you want if you're trying to win now, which is actually decent rationale. it would be decent rationale if Lillard didnt basically hand pick Billups

Yep you'd think. Alhough everything can change in a NY minute in the NBA. I just hope Dame makes up his mind soon that he wants out if he's gonna do it, before the draft. Because after the draft 2 of our #1's dissapear as capital in a trade.

No chance in hell Dame is moved this summer, considering he all but hired Billups himself.

In comment 15294757 Stu11 said:

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In comment 15294747 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15294740 Jon in NYC said: Quote: said that a Billups hire could lead to a Lillard trade, which I'm not sure I buy, but his reasoning is that a rookie head coach is basically not who you want if you're trying to win now, which is actually decent rationale. it would be decent rationale if Lillard didnt basically hand pick Billups Yep you'd think. Alhough everything can change in a NY minute in the NBA. I just hope Dame makes up his mind soon that he wants out if he's gonna do it, before the draft. Because after the draft 2 of our #1's dissapear as capital in a trade.

yup a star has to become available before the draft ao Knicks utilize all their assets

The draft is in what, less than a month? That ain't happening.

They are doing everything they can to make him happy.
Knicks will try and move up in this draft to get a 3-D wing and look to shake away one of the restricted PG like Graham or Ball.
IMO

Even healthy. That’s the problem

the more i want Bouknight

in how good the Suns are. Without Ayton, they'd be a completely perimeter-based team with no rebounding. Ayton is a legit big man and excellent rebounder

In comment 15294828 nygiants16 said:

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the more i want Bouknight

He too. Apparently he shoot lights out the past couple days. At the very least he's probably a microwave option off the bench but with upside.

In comment 15294839 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15294828 nygiants16 said: Quote: the more i want Bouknight He too. Apparently he shoot lights out the past couple days. At the very least he's probably a microwave option off the bench but with upside.

Next to Randle and a good shokting vet point guard, he is going to be very effective..

Get to the rim at will, will have better shot selection in the NBA because of more options around him..pull up j, fluid athlete

Lavine comps may be lofty, but we need a wing who gets buckets. IQ doesn’t give you much at the rim, RJ doesn’t give you much off the dribble - Bouknight will give a little of everything. And I’d love to give Johnny Bryant a year with those three before he lands a job elsewhere.

for long term deals.

Re-sign Rose, Bullock, and Noel.

Extend Mitch and Randle.

If Lonzo escapes, draft a PG. Have IQ fill in for a year and go hard after Brunson next offseason when he's a UFA.

Draft Kispert. And draft an offensive 5.

Build young.

In comment 15294893 adamg said:

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for long term deals. Re-sign Rose, Bullock, and Noel. Extend Mitch and Randle. If Lonzo escapes, draft a PG. Have IQ fill in for a year and go hard after Brunson next offseason when he's a UFA. Draft Kispert. And draft an offensive 5. Build young.

I agree on Powell— we definitely need to bring him on.

Lonzo just seems like a bum to me, but I understand everyone seems to think he’s a perfect fit here. It’s crazy going back and watching his college highlights he literally looks like an entirely different person playing out there compared to now. If that dude can show up again we’ll be cookin. I’m hoping maybe he just needs to be allowed to be a true PG again since he’s had to just play in teams with Lebron and Zion running the point instead of him.

(I think personally at PG I’d rather try to get Lowry and Rose to tag team at PG for this year and then see what the PG landscape is next offseason— see what it’ll take to get Brunson. In the meantime I like the idea of Rose on a 2 year deal and Lowry for 1 year with a 2nd year option. )

Mitch just feels like he’ll never be able to stay healthy for a full season— but even if we extend him we could still always trade him I guess..

I think we’d have to package 19 and 21 to move up and get Kispert so just wanted to make sure you’re saying use #32 to grab the offensive 5?

I’m liking more the idea of a trade for Myles Turner but I’m just wondering how much it would take to get him. Could we maybe trade #21 + #32 for Turner and then use Mitch in a trade to move up from #19? Davion Mitchell is probably my favorite player in this draft but I definitely understand why people would prefer we address PG in FA and draft a 3-D wing or just a flat out scorer— we want someone who can contribute right away.

poor man's Simmons. I have no use for a 6-8 PG who can't shoot or create.

As much as I like Bouknight, I wouldn't trade the entire draft for him. After the top 4 to 5, I think the rest are all around the same tier. I'll take my chances with 3 picks rather than 1. Make Thibs happy with Pons with the second round pick, gamble with the first rounders on offense. I'd love Cooper and Mann.

In comment 15294944 Jim in Hoboken said:

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poor man's Simmons. I have no use for a 6-8 PG who can't shoot or create. As much as I like Bouknight, I wouldn't trade the entire draft for him. After the top 4 to 5, I think the rest are all around the same tier. I'll take my chances with 3 picks rather than 1. Make Thibs happy with Pons with the second round pick, gamble with the first rounders on offense. I'd love Cooper and Mann.

You mean the same Lonzo Ball who shot 38% from 3?

and cant create? he averaged 5 assists per game playingg off of zion in stan van gubdys terrible system..

averaged almost 8 assists a game the year before..

We need guards who can create with the ball in their hands. Ancient Rose was the only on the roster who could do it.

In comment 15294949 Jim in Hoboken said:

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We need guards who can create with the ball in their hands. Ancient Rose was the only on the roster who could do it.

You realize that stan van gundy basically made Ball play 3 and d rather than play point? it is the reason ehy 1 van gundy was fired and 2 why ball wants out..

He made Zion play point and it didnt work..

and calling Ball a ben Simmons clone is sinply not true and couldnt be further from the truth..

I still think Brunson makes a lot of sense and the Knicks are uniquely positioned to get him. Having the 23 mavs pick protected really ties up their ability to trade future firsts to upgrade the team. Would something like 32 and their 23 first back work? They also don’t have a pick at all this year so gives them much more flexibility.

Ball, Zion, Engram (and can’t come close to the playoffs? Not sure on all three of these guys.

Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
The backlash from Portland Trail Blazers’ coaching search and his concerns over whether a championship contender can be built have become major factors that could force Damian Lillard to request out, league sources tell @YahooSports.

In comment 15295110 bceagle05 said:

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Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes The backlash from Portland Trail Blazers’ coaching search and his concerns over whether a championship contender can be built have become major factors that could force Damian Lillard to request out, league sources tell @YahooSports.

oh dear lord yes please

Maybe this off-season will be more exciting than anticipated (for the league, not just the Knicks).

it is directly from Lillard

I had no clue he settled a rape case at the beginning of his career.

how the Knicks could offer more than Philly for Lillard, and hard to imagine he wouldnt be willing to go to Philly.

Simmons is still extremely young and extremely talented and a change of scenery could be just what he needs.

In comment 15295129 MookGiants said:

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how the Knicks could offer more than Philly for Lillard, and hard to imagine he wouldnt be willing to go to Philly. Simmons is still extremely young and extremely talented and a change of scenery could be just what he needs.

it depends what they want..

anyone who trades forvsimmons and builds around him are morons just my opinion

In comment 15295133 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15295129 MookGiants said: Quote: how the Knicks could offer more than Philly for Lillard, and hard to imagine he wouldnt be willing to go to Philly. Simmons is still extremely young and extremely talented and a change of scenery could be just what he needs. it depends what they want.. anyone who trades forvsimmons and builds around him are morons just my opinion

I just dont see a Knicks offer that can be better. I don't love Simmons but I'd certainly pick Simmons over Barrett, maybe its just me

In comment 15295137 MookGiants said:

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In comment 15295133 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15295129 MookGiants said: Quote: how the Knicks could offer more than Philly for Lillard, and hard to imagine he wouldnt be willing to go to Philly. Simmons is still extremely young and extremely talented and a change of scenery could be just what he needs. it depends what they want.. anyone who trades forvsimmons and builds around him are morons just my opinion I just dont see a Knicks offer that can be better. I don't love Simmons but I'd certainly pick Simmons over Barrett, maybe its just me

It's not apples to apples. Simmons has 4 years of max money on his deal. Barrett is still on his rookie contract. Houston didn't want to take LeVert because they didn't think he was worth the money he's owed as one example.

If he somehow winds up with the Lakers (seems improbable but I never rule them out) it'll ruin the title hopes of Brooklyn, Philly and Miami in one fell swoop. If he winds up in Philly or Miami, it gives the Nets a legit challenge next year even if healthy. (Yes I'm that spiteful)

In comment 15295110 bceagle05 said:

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Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes The backlash from Portland Trail Blazers’ coaching search and his concerns over whether a championship contender can be built have become major factors that could force Damian Lillard to request out, league sources tell @YahooSports.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

2nd if Lillard expresses where he wants to go like Harden did, then that changes everything..