NFT: Braves at Mets Game 4. Megill

from two weeks ago. Don’t trust him ATM.

Guillorme is a wiz with the glove.

In comment 15292896 DanMetroMan said:

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1 inning 2 hits 1 k, 91-93... this will go well lol

Gross. Keep him in Syracuse.

and a run scored tonight.

It's sad when you need an entire webpage to track all the current injuries


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Big time here.

to make it out of here. We need this game and Castro is not all there right now. Hopefully he can make a good pitch, get Almonte and hit the showers.

sucks now

on 2-1.

Hopefully that carries over!

Hit the showers, Castro.

Need Oswalt to keep it together for the next 3 innings

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NEWS: This afternoon the Mets fired four clubhouse assistants and their long-time clubhouse chef. A team spokesman confirmed the firings and said, "We do not comment on personnel matters, except to confirm this had nothing to do with the WilmerHale culture review."

Lindor!

soon enough. Teams are having their pitchers pinch hit. Its embarrassing

Love it, Mets!

to spark this offnse

lets fn go.

side note, can't say it enough. Jeremy Hefner has magical things here

The lineup sure is different with Conforto and McNeil in it.

And they grab a game against everyone except for Washington.

by megill and oswalt

About clubhouse and chef

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to hear what Billy Wagner said as a guest on the broadcast last night.

He talked about using "stuff" to aid his grip, I think he particularly mentioned pine tar. Also said he "grew up on it"...

For those pitchers out there....was I living in a bubble through the late 90s and 2000s as a HS/Club pitcher? Were people at that level using "stuff"? I never used ANYTHING. Not even rosin. I unfortunately had a HS Wrestling coach serving as my baseball coach so didn't learn much from him...he just pushed me out there for over half our teams innings and said "throw hard"..

I'm looking back regretful... throwing 85/86 as a 17 year old senior, I either struck guys out or hit em when things slipped. Now I'm sitting here wondering 'what if' again! haha

all quarters last night. Today is the rare time I welcome an off day during the season. Phillies in for two tomorrow (4 in 3 days overall), then a make-up game in Washington on the way to Atlanta for 3. Love to hang 5-3 on the next eight and that gives us 8-8 over the 16 division game stretch.

But really felt like that was a big win last night given the recent offensive struggles.

In comment 15292862 ZGiants98 said:

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this weekend!

McNeil, with his aggression, seems to like leadoff. Any thought to keeping him there, having Nimmo hit two, Lindor 3. Alonso 4 and use Conforto to try and protect Alonso at 5?

I think I might try that. Pete has been getting a lot of offspeed off the plate and isn’t selective enough to make that work at this point.

I have a hard time taking Nimmo out of leadoff if healthy.

I go Nimmo, Lindor, Conforto, Alonso, McNeil, Smith right now. You can switch around depending on who is hot.

while getting on base at a .430 clip. Looking forward to him having a normal Lindor, Conforto, and Alonso hitting behind him

In comment 15293133 moze1021 said:

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to hear what Billy Wagner said as a guest on the broadcast last night. He talked about using "stuff" to aid his grip, I think he particularly mentioned pine tar. Also said he "grew up on it"... For those pitchers out there....was I living in a bubble through the late 90s and 2000s as a HS/Club pitcher? Were people at that level using "stuff"? I never used ANYTHING. Not even rosin. I unfortunately had a HS Wrestling coach serving as my baseball coach so didn't learn much from him...he just pushed me out there for over half our teams innings and said "throw hard".. I'm looking back regretful... throwing 85/86 as a 17 year old senior, I either struck guys out or hit em when things slipped. Now I'm sitting here wondering 'what if' again! haha

Eno said he spoke to a "bunch" of pitchers and each and every one of them guessed extremely high numbers on how many pitchers used at least sunscreen. His guess based on his conversations was about 85%. Related... Eno Sarris is top notch. His content is great.

A prospect because vientos hasn’t stopped hitting since. If only anyone wanted to argue Lindsey.

In comment 15293198 bhill410 said:

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A prospect because vientos hasn’t stopped hitting since. If only anyone wanted to argue Lindsey.

I'll take the Lindsey sucks side ...

but Lindsay was released June 8

last 10 games: .325 BA (13-40) with 9 runs, 2 doubles, 6 HR, and 13 RBI

We missed our chance to give him the BBI bump

He’s easily one of the best in the business if healthy.

I’d probably go

Nimmo
Lindor
McNeil
Alonso
Conforto
Villar
Dom
McCann

Lindor, Dom, and McCann all up to a 95/96 wRC+ now. Almost at league average after all hovering around 60 at one point! And that’s the three worst this year.

Conforto, Alonso, Villar, LG, McNeil, Nimmo all well over.

No offense to the Tovar’s, Perazas, and Drury’s... but thank God!

deGrom is slated as the Saturday Game 2 starter ... Eickhoff Sunday. Our string of not seeing the top of the rotation continues. lol

What are the chances he gets pushed to Sunday?

A guy can hope.

In comment 15293216 KDavies said:

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last 10 games: .325 BA (13-40) with 9 runs, 2 doubles, 6 HR, and 13 RBI

also on a 5g hitting streak:
10/24
5 singles
5 xbh (4 homers, 1 2b)
3 bb: 5k

obviously the power is going to be streaky and come back down to earth but I think we've seen enough of it to know it's going to be there in some capacity. imo the most important thing is that we continue to see those peripherals stabilize over the rest of the year. Add the raw power to a better contact profile and he's going to be the next guy on all the top 100 lists again.

In comment 15293333 Beezer said:

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deGrom is slated as the Saturday Game 2 starter ... Eickhoff Sunday. Our string of not seeing the top of the rotation continues. lol What are the chances he gets pushed to Sunday? A guy can hope.

slim

looks like he noticed Baty coming up behind him.
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2/4 2 homers, 4 rbis. OPS now approaching .900.

In comment 15293779 Eric on Li said:

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2/4 2 homers, 4 rbis. OPS now approaching .900.

5 homers since I said he had to do more. Thank me later haha. Going to the Cyclones game tomorrow. Excited to see Baty/Mauricio/Alvarez

In comment 15293684 Eric on Li said:

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looks like he noticed Baty coming up behind him. https://twitter.com/Jacob_Resnick/status/1408212547522662402 - ( New Window )

That was the worst play by play call I’ve heard in my life.

Nice to see him breaking out a bit. Wish we could somehow trade one of these guys for a SP prospect of similar value. Is there an organization that has 4-5 good pitching prospects but not position player guys?

more risk than position players. Of course if someone offered a really good one I'd listen but even then imagine if someone offered us the next Szpuck right before TJS, or even Matt Allan? Position players are just so much more likely to be on the field.

Right now Vientos is tracking to hit closest to JDD of all our recent hitting prospects - the trickiest part of the comp is just the fact that JDD was 23 when he first hit AA and 26 when first acquired here.

Vientos is 21 years old, off a chaotic lost season for everyone and jump up from A ball to AA skipping A+, and on track for a 20+ homer, 50 xbh, .800+ ops season. So while JDD was also a prolific exit velocity player with a similar power offense/weak defense profile, youth may give Vientos some extra upside. Imagine he was having this season last year at age 20 in AA?

I'm pretty sure other than JDD, the only other hitter we've had in these last 10+ years that hit 20+ homers in any minor league season is Alonso. Conforto's most were 12 in the 90 games prior to getting called up to big leagues in 2015. But when thinking about trading him I think it's important to keep in mind how we'd have valued JDD/Dom/Alonso/Conforto at age 21 because Vientos looks like he may be the next prospect on that level. There's no guarantee he reaches that level but to deal him I'd have to get back a player who makes a big enough impact that it's understandable if he does (sort of like Fulmer for Cespedes).

In comment 15293952 Eric on Li said:

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more risk than position players. Of course if someone offered a really good one I'd listen but even then imagine if someone offered us the next Szpuck right before TJS, or even Matt Allan? Position players are just so much more likely to be on the field. Right now Vientos is tracking to hit closest to JDD of all our recent hitting prospects - the trickiest part of the comp is just the fact that JDD was 23 when he first hit AA and 26 when first acquired here. Vientos is 21 years old, off a chaotic lost season for everyone and jump up from A ball to AA skipping A+, and on track for a 20+ homer, 50 xbh, .800+ ops season. So while JDD was also a prolific exit velocity player with a similar power offense/weak defense profile, youth may give Vientos some extra upside. Imagine he was having this season last year at age 20 in AA? I'm pretty sure other than JDD, the only other hitter we've had in these last 10+ years that hit 20+ homers in any minor league season is Alonso. Conforto's most were 12 in the 90 games prior to getting called up to big leagues in 2015. But when thinking about trading him I think it's important to keep in mind how we'd have valued JDD/Dom/Alonso/Conforto at age 21 because Vientos looks like he may be the next prospect on that level. There's no guarantee he reaches that level but to deal him I'd have to get back a player who makes a big enough impact that it's understandable if he does (sort of like Fulmer for Cespedes).

The issue for the Mets is while pitchers break, they don't have much in the way of interesting SP prospects so if an interesting arm is offered for a position prospect you have to consider it. That being said, we need to get to the point where we are like the Dodgers and have depth level prospects we can call on to fill holes and deal in minor trades. Very excited for the upcoming draft, last year I mostly checked out but this year I've really enjoyed the minors and draft "research".

Williams has rejected minor league assignment and is now a FA.

if you think about it, if you are developing pitchers, and let's say the average development time is:
3-5 seasons in the minors in hopes of a
3-5 year window of performing in the big leagues

you have double the injury risk compared to adding veteran pitchers already in the majors because there's twice as much time they need to stay healthy.

This isn't to say you don't try to add pitchers to develop. Of course you do both and try to add as many highly talented players as possible.

But when you have cost controlled position players or high upside hitting prospects, I think you need to value them higher than pitchers. If you had a 100% equivalent impact pitcher and an equivalent impact hitter, the probability the hitter stays healthy for 5+ seasons compared to the pitcher is just so high.

I'd rather add pitchers at the expense of paying higher prices in FA while prioritizing development of homegrown hitters than vice versa.

really need to do both. Part of the reason the Dodgers have been able to spend so big on position players is/was having Buehler, Urias, May, Gonsolin, Martinez all on the cheap. The Mets are essentially tapped out in terms of MLB SP in the upper minors with Megill now up. Szapucki remains, after him it's hard to really say who "next" would be even headed into 2022. If you go with fangraphs top 30 prospects they have 1 single SP prospect in the Mets system with an eta before 2023 (Jose Butto, back end upside, 4.75 era currently in BK). They have some interesting arms in guys like Dominguez, Cornielly and hopefully Ginn by 2023 is able to pitch a full season of innings but the arms just don't exist for backfill.
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also has Butto as the only SP prospect in the system with an eta pre-2022 with JT Ginn, Kilome (he's awful), Joander Suarez and Joshua Corneilly (he's 20 and has pitched 35 innings stateside) being the only top 30 SP prospects who aren't currently teenagers

June wRC+ is the 8th highest mark he’s posted for a month in his entire career. This is why chopping up sample sizes into 7 day samples doesn’t work.

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The Mets don’t know if Jonathan Villar (calf) will be available today. They’re evaluating him. Because the calf injury is in the same leg as the hamstring tightness he felt earlier this month, the Mets are being extra cautious to ensure the incidents are separate.

In comment 15294063 DanMetroMan said:

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really need to do both. Part of the reason the Dodgers have been able to spend so big on position players is/was having Buehler, Urias, May, Gonsolin, Martinez all on the cheap. The Mets are essentially tapped out in terms of MLB SP in the upper minors with Megill now up. Szapucki remains, after him it's hard to really say who "next" would be even headed into 2022. If you go with fangraphs top 30 prospects they have 1 single SP prospect in the Mets system with an eta before 2023 (Jose Butto, back end upside, 4.75 era currently in BK). They have some interesting arms in guys like Dominguez, Cornielly and hopefully Ginn by 2023 is able to pitch a full season of innings but the arms just don't exist for backfill. Link - ( New Window )

I agree you need to do everything you can to develop both. TJS doesn't make me regret drafting Allan any more than the LAD should regret drafting May.

That's a very different point from how to weight positional risk/value in trades.

In comment 15294089 DanMetroMan said:

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Justin Toscano @JustinCToscano · 5m The Mets don’t know if Jonathan Villar (calf) will be available today. They’re evaluating him. Because the calf injury is in the same leg as the hamstring tightness he felt earlier this month, the Mets are being extra cautious to ensure the incidents are separate.

He should be IL’ed. He’s not 100% and can’t be backdated so he’s only out 7 days

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Mets have claimed catcher Chance Sisco off waivers from the Orioles and optioned him to Syracuse. J.D. Davis was transferred to the 60 day injured list, which makes him eligible for a 7/1 return.