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NFT: NHL Expansion Draft Regular Draft and Off-season Discussion

pjcas18 : 7/12/2021 9:13 am
The expansion draft is 7/21.

Next Sunday (7/18) protected lists will be made public

NHL Draft is 7/23 - 7/24

Free Agency opens 7/28

a lot of movement will happen IMO b/c of a lot of factors including the flat cap - teams with cap space can make out like bandits just for taking a bad contract. Tarasenko, Eichel, and more could have new homes not even considering movement to help with the expansion draft or free agency.

This article linked below from THW is great, not sure there is a ton of accuracy to it, but it's still a fun read.


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pjcas18 : 7/26/2021 6:48 pm : link
same reporter says COL in the mix too.

Andy Strickland
@andystrickland
· 6h
Jaden Schwartz and the #seakraken had real good discussions and it appears to be a strong landing spot but he wants to see who else they are bringing in before officially signing.
List of players  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 8:10 am : link
not offered the QO - making them FA's - nothing shocking on here, but teams have until the end of today I believe.
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Marc Andre-Fleury traded  
theold5j : 7/27/2021 11:38 am : link
from Vegas to Chicago per TSN
RE: Marc Andre-Fleury traded  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 11:40 am : link
In comment 15314125 theold5j said:
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from Vegas to Chicago per TSN


For nothing.

Not sure I get this. Cap relief?
Flat cap forcing moves  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 11:55 am : link
Canucks to buy out Holtby and this....

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
·
16m
Sources tell @KKurzNHL
and myself that the Sharks are placing Martin Jones on unconditional waivers today for purposes of a buyout
RE: RE: Marc Andre-Fleury traded  
Stu11 : 7/27/2021 11:55 am : link
In comment 15314128 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15314125 theold5j said:


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from Vegas to Chicago per TSN



For nothing.

Not sure I get this. Cap relief?

Yep. Once they re-signed Martinez they were right up against the cap. Fleury or Lehner had to go.
That has to be the cheapest  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 11:58 am : link
price a reigning Vezina winner has been traded for in history.

Literally nothing.

Also, he found out via twitter. Shitty look for Vegas.
Not quite for nothing  
NYerInMA : 7/27/2021 12:12 pm : link
The Athletic is reporting:

"The Vegas Golden Knights have reached a deal with the Blackhawks to trade Marc-Andre Fleury to the Chicago in exchange for forward Mikael Hakkarainen, a source tells The Athletic. The deal is pending trade calls."
Golden Knights trading goalie Marc-Andre Fleury to Blackhawks: Source (paywalled) - ( New Window )
Buch just signed--very glad for him!! 4x$5.8  
ColHowPepper : 7/27/2021 1:29 pm : link
https://twitter.com/OhRyanMead/status/1420067736827441152 acc to Ryan Mead on twtr
Damn  
Kyle in NY : 7/27/2021 1:34 pm : link
Vegas management is absolutely ruthless. Wonder if they make a play for Eichel now
Rumors  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 3:16 pm : link
are Hurricanes reached a deal with Tony DeAngelo, haven't seen confirmation yet.
Low ball  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 3:30 pm : link
IMO

Larry Brooks
@NYP_Brooksie
· 11m
Latest info is that Avalanche are pitching a three-year deal to Landeskog at basically MacKinnon $$$ (around $6.3M AAV)
Call me crazy, PJ  
Anakim : 7/27/2021 3:30 pm : link
But is Danault really that much of an upgrade over Strome?
RE: Call me crazy, PJ  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15314336 Anakim said:
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But is Danault really that much of an upgrade over Strome?


I think so, Strome is brutal on the dots, and doesn't even take high leverage face offs and Strome is nowhere near the defensive player.

Strome is a better scorer.

but like I said it's why ideally you make Danault your 3rd line center (in MTL he was a 1C) - but know he can play 1C, 2C or 3C - just ideally he's a 3C.
RE: Not quite for nothing  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15314156 NYerInMA said:
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The Athletic is reporting:

"The Vegas Golden Knights have reached a deal with the Blackhawks to trade Marc-Andre Fleury to the Chicago in exchange for forward Mikael Hakkarainen, a source tells The Athletic. The deal is pending trade calls." Golden Knights trading goalie Marc-Andre Fleury to Blackhawks: Source (paywalled) - ( New Window )


Sounds more like actually for nothing. I don't get this at all. lol.

Greg Wyshynski
@wyshynski
· 13m
VGK GM Kelly McCrimmon says that Mikael Hakkarainen, who was acquired for Vezina Trophy winner Marc-Andre Fleury, will continue to play in Chicago's organization despite the @GoldenKnights owning his contract.
RE: RE: Not quite for nothing  
PwndPapi : 7/27/2021 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15314348 pjcas18 said:
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Greg Wyshynski
@wyshynski
· 13m
VGK GM Kelly McCrimmon says that Mikael Hakkarainen, who was acquired for Vezina Trophy winner Marc-Andre Fleury, will continue to play in Chicago's organization despite the @GoldenKnights owning his contract.


How does that work?
RE: RE: RE: Not quite for nothing  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15314350 PwndPapi said:
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In comment 15314348 pjcas18 said:


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Greg Wyshynski
@wyshynski
· 13m
VGK GM Kelly McCrimmon says that Mikael Hakkarainen, who was acquired for Vezina Trophy winner Marc-Andre Fleury, will continue to play in Chicago's organization despite the @GoldenKnights owning his contract.



How does that work?


On loan? no idea, I do know that often times when teams need some ECHL players they get loaned from team to team - some teams don't even have ECHL teams so they add any ECHL players in their organization to other teams ECHL teams.
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pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 4:24 pm : link
David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
·
26m
The Stars are pushing hard to sign Ryan Suter to a multi-year deal. We'll see if they can get to the finish line.
RE: Not quite for nothing  
ColHowPepper : 7/27/2021 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15314378 pjcas18 said:
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On loan? no idea, I do know that often times when teams need some ECHL players they get loaned from team to team - some teams don't even have ECHL teams so they add any ECHL players in their organization to other teams ECHL teams.
Sounds like European footie where a PL team, e.g., arranges for a player under control of a team is loaned out to a different club (same or lower level of competition) so he can gain experience, allows for more informed decision as to his rights down the line. Happens frequently.
foregone conclusion  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 4:27 pm : link
If the NYR plan to contend  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 4:44 pm : link
this year - absolutely a guy they should look at.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
·
2m
Potential fits for Ryan Getzlaf if indeed he leaves Anaheim via free agency …
Edmonton, Montréal, Dallas, Boston.
@TSNHockey
@TheAthletic
RE: Rumors  
Mad Mike : 7/27/2021 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15314322 pjcas18 said:
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are Hurricanes reached a deal with Tony DeAngelo, haven't seen confirmation yet.

@peteblackburn: Can't fight your team's goalie if they don't have one
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pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 5:38 pm : link
Canadiens Montréal
@CanadiensMTL
The Canadiens have agreed to terms on a four-year contract extension (2021-22 to 2024-25) with Joel Armia.

#GoHabsGo
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pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 5:39 pm : link
Dan Kramer
@DanKramerHabs
·
2m
AAV of $3.4M for ages 28-32.

- Glad to have him back with the #Habs.

- More term than I would have preferred, as with that salary comes production expectations (see: Byron, Paul). So don’t LOVE this deal…

- But still a useful and valuable player. #goHabsGo
better Armia than Danault  
ColHowPepper : 7/27/2021 6:08 pm : link
(:
RE: better Armia than Danault  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 6:52 pm : link
In comment 15314486 ColHowPepper said:
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(:


I think Danault is definitely gone and the Canadiens will be worse on paper because of it (and b/c of losing Weber who I freely admit is not Weber of 5 years ago, but also had a pretty high floor for play) so unless there is a ton of improvement from the youth, Scott in Montreal will get his wish for MTL.
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pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 7:07 pm : link
Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
· 9m
Hearing that Nate Schmidt appears willing to waive his NTC to go to Winnipeg...
as the clock ticks  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 7:14 pm : link
Landeskog calling Av's bluff and it seems like Av's coming to their senses.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
·
3h
Okay, working on some stuff. Biggest one is probably Landeskog...hearing 7x7 is on the table, and there are discussions about the possibility of eight years. We will see where this goes. There are others who want him.
3 years 3M AAV  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 7:22 pm : link
Michael Russo
@RussoHockey
· 49m
Sounds like defenseman Mike Reilly is getting close to re-signing with the #bruins
I like Krebs  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 8:00 pm : link
Hague is still young, but not a significant player, and Smith is a UFA after the season and is also not a star, this is less than I thought it would be.

NYR equivalent would be something like Lundkvist, Chytil, Strome and 1st.

Ryan Kennedy
@THNRyanKennedy
·
17m
I’m hearing the Buffalo ask for Eichel from Vegas is Smith, Peyton Krebs, Nic Hague and a first-rounder.
the way you describe it, pj,  
ColHowPepper : 7/27/2021 8:12 pm : link
seems like Lundkvist, Chytil, Strome and 1st would be significantly higher value, never mind that it's two C for one in return. Doesn't make sense to me
the way you describe it, pj,  
ColHowPepper : 7/27/2021 8:12 pm : link
seems like Lundkvist, Chytil, Strome and 1st would be significantly higher value, never mind that it's two C for one in return. Doesn't make sense to me, but that said I don't have sense of those Vegans
RE: the way you describe it, pj,  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15314567 ColHowPepper said:
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seems like Lundkvist, Chytil, Strome and 1st would be significantly higher value, never mind that it's two C for one in return. Doesn't make sense to me


Just giving comparable value players - not saying the deal should be made or not for Vegas or the Rangers.

and Strome gets replaced by Eichel,and Goodrow can play C too.

Chytil has to be one of the worst face off guys in the league, Goodrow excels at face offs. it all starts with the face off. So often you analyze a goal against and it begins with a face off loss. Or you see an ineffective power play and it starts with a face off loss killing valuable time.

So underestimated by some fans (not you CHP, I know you get it).
I'm surprised there weren't more Kraken trades  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 8:17 pm : link


Kevin Weekes
@KevinWeekes
·
6h
**Breaking News** @SeattleKraken
trade D Man MacDermid to @Avalanche
for a 4th Rd pick on 2023.
@espn
@NHL
@NHLNetwork
#TSNHockey #HockeyTwitter
Free agency opens tomorrow  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 8:21 pm : link
maybe someone starts a thread or just posts here, either way, but I expect a lot of news/activity the next 72 hours.

Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
·
13m
Breaking News: As reported by @ShaneOBrien55
the #FlaPanthers have re-signed Brandon Montour to a 3 year contract extension.
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pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 8:57 pm : link
Andy Strickland
@andystrickland
·
25m
Tyler Bozak will be entering the free agent market tomorrow. Was not been able to come to terms with the #stlblues
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pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 9:29 pm : link
NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
·
10m
Goalies update per LeBrun:
- Frederik Andersen: no offer from TOR. 2 teams w/ interest, COL (depends) + CAR
- Jaroslav Halak near top of VAN list
- Jonathan Bernier unable to find deal w/ CAR, watch for NJ on him
- Philipp Grubauer still in talks w/ COL, will go down to the wire
CHI doing some things  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2021 10:50 pm : link
the Jones', MAF, Johnson, etc.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
·
36m
Tyler Johnson to CHI
Well free agency is here  
KDubbs : 7/28/2021 7:12 am : link
and it will be another disappointment for the Isles it looks like with the big fish off the board. I guess we can still be happy with a Saad or Hoffman signing to take Eberles spot but not really seeing the options for Leddy's spot.
RE: RE: the way you describe it, pj,  
ColHowPepper : 7/28/2021 8:09 am : link
In comment 15314572 pjcas18 said:
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and Strome gets replaced by Eichel,and Goodrow can play C too.

Chytil has to be one of the worst face off guys in the league, Goodrow excels at face offs. it all starts with the face off. So often you analyze a goal against and it begins with a face off loss. Or you see an ineffective power play and it starts with a face off loss killing valuable time.
Been consistent in saying that of forwards to be moved I'd prefer it to be Chytil, for the reason you mention as well as his inconsistency, coming up short in finishing. He has nice burst, a bit of Barzal in him, to get around d-men but that's when the comp implodes. I also don't see him, yet, as a good, two-way guy.

Just say no to Eichel.
Landeskog back to COL  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 8:17 am : link
as most assumed, but came down to the wire.

Colorado Avalanche
@Avalanche
·
8h
The moment you have all been waiting for...Oh Captain, my Captain!

8 more years of Landeskog!

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pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 9:46 am : link
NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
·
27m
Tyson Barrie’s three-year extension with the Edmonton #Oilers is expected to be between $4M to $5M AAV, per @TSNBobMcKenzie
. #LetsGoOilers
Seems like Parise and Palmieri to Isles is done  
theold5j : 7/28/2021 10:35 am : link
Reports on confirmed Twitter accounts saying such.
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pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 11:04 am : link
Eric Engels
@EricEngels
· 13m
Just over an hour away from free agency opening, hearing David Savard, Chris Wideman (as @reporterchris reported) and Cedric Paquette are expected to become Montreal Canadiens.
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pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 11:51 am : link
David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
·
1m
Canadiens and David Savard could come in at 4-years, under ~$16M if finalized.
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pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 11:52 am : link
Sens Communications
@Media_Sens
·
4m
TRADE ALERT: The #Sens have acquired defenceman Nick Holden and a third-round draft pick in 2022 (which originated with the @Canucks
) from the @GoldenKnights
in exchange for forward Evgenii Dadonov.
PJ  
JayBinQueens : 7/28/2021 11:58 am : link
just a heads up - someone started a new/cleaner thread for the start of FA
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15315084 JayBinQueens said:
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just a heads up - someone started a new/cleaner thread for the start of FA


Awesome, thanks, I'll check it out.
Well, JayBinQueens and his thread notwithstanding,  
ColHowPepper : 7/28/2021 4:58 pm : link
I find Drury's off-season, to this point, head scratching. Who's whispers in his ear were louder, Slats'(mega stupid, expensive move) or GG's? It's like NYR moves were Vegas expansion draft fodder. I confess to wanting something to happen with the forwards--it did, with Buch sent to STL for nada barf--but that's it? No Danault, no Getzlaf, nothing to make us stoked, only a move to make us gag, and I'm good w/no Eichel unless it's really on the cheap if BUF has indeed painted itself in corner--but to this point, it's really a head scratcher.
Apparently, as it stands now, Mailloux won't be part of training  
Mad Mike : 7/28/2021 5:51 pm : link
camp, and Montreal will "reassess" as the year goes on. Who knows if that's just lip service, with them having every intention of determining he's ready in time for training camp, or if they've got specific steps he needs to accomplish which will be taken seriously. This reads to me like they were really caught off guard by the reaction to the pick, though I'm surprised any team would be surprised, so again, maybe it's all theater. At any rate, they do seem to want to be able to demonstrate he realizes the severity of what he's done and isn't that person anymore.
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