NFT: NHL Expansion Draft Regular Draft and Off-season Discussion

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in what capacity? as a play by play guy?

at least we don't need to hear him say 100 times a game "remember that save" every time a goalie makes a save in a close game.

I'm a pretty casual hockey fan but how does the expansion draft work?

Wasn't Vegas able to build a cup contender from their expansion draft? Do the rules of the draft favor this or did Vegas just do an excellent job? Will Seattle start out in the playoffs every year too?

Vegas did a good job at getting high floor players, but I did not expect them to be anywhere near as good as they were.

In fact, I expect that team to be historically bad.

I felt like they had 4 3rd lines, no top end talent, solid D and an inconsistent goalie.

Gallant deserves a ton of credit for getting them to the SCF, but I also underestimated Marc Andre Fleury when he plays well and I underestimated how far having 6 solid D can take you.

They also got career years from players like William Karlsson and Reilly Smith, but some teams misjudged their own talent like MIN trading Alex Tuch as a 6'4 225 pound 21 year old to protect some old stiff.

I may show my ass again, but I don't expect the Kraken to duplicate what Vegas did. but I'll wait to form an opinion (which will probably be a bad one again) until I see their roster

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I'm a pretty casual hockey fan but how does the expansion draft work? Wasn't Vegas able to build a cup contender from their expansion draft? Do the rules of the draft favor this or did Vegas just do an excellent job? Will Seattle start out in the playoffs every year too?

Vegas had an advantage in that many teams had given out No Movement Clauses like candy not knowing what the expansion draft rules would be. After Vegas the amount of NMC's has ground to a halt unless you are talking about the best of the best. Also, I think some teams overvalued their mediocre players more than they should have when Vegas came into the league. Columbus basically gave a 1st to Vegas so they would take Karlsson, who was a key player for Vegas. Teams don't seem as anxious to protect borderline 2nd line players this year if they have someone else in the system who can fill that role.

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in what capacity? as a play by play guy? at least we don't need to hear him say 100 times a game "remember that save" every time a goalie makes a save in a close game.

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Obviously they still need to announce Gallant's coaching staff and Drury needs to hire an AGM, but I'm also guessing we hear about a Tony DeAngelo buyout possibly this week.

This tweet has the points from the previous season for VGK's first line-up.

Also, a ton of teams paid Vegas to pick really good players (Fleury, for example).
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I’m praying that Luke Hughes falls to 4 but if not I would also be very happy with Brandt Clarke. Brandt Clarke’s brother RW Graeme was the Devils 3rd round pick in 2019 who lead the Devils AHL team in scoring last season despite being just 19.

Landing Luke Hughes would make it easier to convince Jack Hughes to stay in NJ long term.

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This tweet has the points from the previous season for VGK's first line-up. Also, a ton of teams paid Vegas to pick really good players (Fleury, for example). Twitter - ( New Window )

Wonder how much it'll cost Drury for Seattle to pick up Howden

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Obviously they still need to announce Gallant's coaching staff and Drury needs to hire an AGM, but I'm also guessing we hear about a Tony DeAngelo buyout possibly this week.

Wouldnt they want to have DeAngelo around to leave him unprotected for the expansion draft before buying him out? Or is there nothing gained by exposing him

let Seattle take Eberle or Leddy. We need 1 to go to free up the money to resign Pelech and Beauv and hopefully Casey.

I know not many of my fellow Isles fans would like this but I'd offer up Pelech and Beauvs rights for Seth Jones first. See if Columbus has any interest. if not then bring them back.

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In comment 15303643 Anakim said: Quote: Obviously they still need to announce Gallant's coaching staff and Drury needs to hire an AGM, but I'm also guessing we hear about a Tony DeAngelo buyout possibly this week. Wouldnt they want to have DeAngelo around to leave him unprotected for the expansion draft before buying him out? Or is there nothing gained by exposing him

Yep on the off chance that Seattle takes him he fits the requirement. Rangers are fine they should be looking to pick up players before the ED because right now we would lose someone like Deangelo, Howden, Hajek Blackwell or Gauthier.

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In comment 15303643 Anakim said: Quote: Obviously they still need to announce Gallant's coaching staff and Drury needs to hire an AGM, but I'm also guessing we hear about a Tony DeAngelo buyout possibly this week. Wouldnt they want to have DeAngelo around to leave him unprotected for the expansion draft before buying him out? Or is there nothing gained by exposing him

I suppose they could and the Rangers aren't in any rush, but I doubt Ron Francis will take DeAngelo. Plus, the Rangers could expose Bitetto and potentially Libor Hajek if they re-sign him this week like they did with Howden last week.

heavy with D in this draft. First time in a long time.

Most D heavy since 2012 I think.

I did read Owen Power, projected #1, is leaning toward returning to Michigan.

After seeing Caufield these playoffs after spending two years in the NCAA I'm not as firm in my belief I'd want the top pick in the NHL. I think maybe that wouldn't be terrible and probably even good for development, but it would hurt having the top pick in the year when the top pick isn't obviously NHL ready.

Sabres can't catch a break. not that it bothers me.

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heavy with D in this draft. First time in a long time. Most D heavy since 2012 I think. I did read Owen Power, projected #1, is leaning toward returning to Michigan. After seeing Caufield these playoffs after spending two years in the NCAA I'm not as firm in my belief I'd want the top pick in the NHL. I think maybe that wouldn't be terrible and probably even good for development, but it would hurt having the top pick in the year when the top pick isn't obviously NHL ready. Sabres can't catch a break. not that it bothers me.

Luke Hughes is also likely going to Michigan for at least a year. I believe two more projected top 10 picks are also committed to Michigan.

SEA takes DeAngelo (without a sweetener from NYR) and even then a longshot IMO.

I wouldn't buy him out either though. I'd see if Drury being in charge can lead to a reconciliation, even as a bottom pair DeAngelo playing is the best use of resources.

if he can't be moved.

He's had a really long leash and is apparently toxic. Take the hit and buy him out if you can't deal him for anything.

what they do with the flat cap and the Rangers still paying Hank, Shattenkirk, and Girardi from other buyouts.

It will save them money this year, but also add more dead space. Probably better off burying him in the minors - it's just one year left. I hate buying out players with one year left. it costs them something like $1.2M to buyout his $4.8M.

Maybe it's worth it, but still not a good outcome.

(yippee!) could lead Drury to protect Blackwell if the numbers fall right and Breadman wants to keep him ):

I don't know about Drury doing an about face with TDA; even if not/never confirmed, smoke was reported coming from the room about player anger/angst (KAM avoiding TDA at center ice intros). With all that he has on his plate, I don't know if Drury needs to perpetuate an apparent headache. Of course, if Drury is more 'gritty' than JD and Gorton, maybe he doesn't mind that stuff. (sarcasm?)

He's not going to be a Ranger ever again. The third-pair RD will likely be Nils Lundkvist or a FA.

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(yippee!) could lead Drury to protect Blackwell if the numbers fall right and Breadman wants to keep him ): I don't know about Drury doing an about face with TDA; even if not/never confirmed, smoke was reported coming from the room about player anger/angst (KAM avoiding TDA at center ice intros). With all that he has on his plate, I don't know if Drury needs to perpetuate an apparent headache. Of course, if Drury is more 'gritty' than JD and Gorton, maybe he doesn't mind that stuff. (sarcasm?)

The issue is for all the headaches, DeAnglelo is a similar type of player to what we already have an abundance of, offensively-minded defensemen. And they're cheaper. He's poor in his own end and isn't physical or gritty.

If he were a 6'3" shutdown defenseman or a PK 3rd line shutdown forward, maybe they try giving him a blank slate. I just didn't see what he brings at this point.

after he's exposed to the draft. There is a 0.0 chance Seattle will take on his contract. I'm sure some team will give him another chance once he's a free agent.

Darren Dreger
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Sources indicate the Oilers and Blackhawks are making progress on a trade involving Duncan Keith. Not done. The process is moving along. Both GM’s are involved in league meetings today, however more discussion on the trade is expected.

agree. Now, if only TDA could make outlet passes like #27 instead of blind clears to the guys in the other sweaters, maybe we're having a different discussion. Not in his (or mine, shorter) lifetime.

pj, maybe you should have imposed restrictions on this thread so it does not devolve (degrade?) to a hometown dumpster fire when the bullets start flying and Drury's honeymoon (has he had one?) crashes and burns, or NYI or NJD.

but holy shit EDM is awful.

I like a veteran presence, I've been vocal about that, but Keith turns 38 this week and is owed $11M over the next two years and coming off the worst year of his career.

not what I'm talking about with veteran presence.

Unless EDM is getting a high pick to take that contract and/or a young player I don't get it. CHI has traded Panarin and Teravainen (the latter to get rid of Bickell's contract) so will withold judgment until I see the details but I feel like this is EDM feeling like they're adding solid pieces around McDavid and Draisaitl.

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agree. Now, if only TDA could make outlet passes like #27 instead of blind clears to the guys in the other sweaters, maybe we're having a different discussion. Not in his (or mine, shorter) lifetime. pj, maybe you should have imposed restrictions on this thread so it does not devolve (degrade?) to a hometown dumpster fire when the bullets start flying and Drury's honeymoon (has he had one?) crashes and burns, or NYI or NJD.

lol, I don't care I know it's mostly NYR fans on here. I'll bring the discussion back to more NHL general topics, and closer to the draft, free agency NYR or NYI fans sometimes start their own threads.

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but holy shit EDM is awful. I like a veteran presence, I've been vocal about that, but Keith turns 38 this week and is owed $11M over the next two years and coming off the worst year of his career. not what I'm talking about with veteran presence. Unless EDM is getting a high pick to take that contract and/or a young player I don't get it. CHI has traded Panarin and Teravainen (the latter to get rid of Bickell's contract) so will withold judgment until I see the details but I feel like this is EDM feeling like they're adding solid pieces around McDavid and Draisaitl.

Agreed PJ this has classic EDM blunder written all over it.

I'm with pj, bury TDA in the minors.

How dumb is this franchise giving a guy a two-year. $4.8mm per deal and then dumping him eleven games into the season? Idiotic.

And agreed with everyone on Keith. What an absolutely moronic franchise. Rangers blew Lundqvist's career but Edmonton is incompetent. McDavid is going to leave at some point.

and no salary retained by CHI?

Frank Seravalli
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Pending trade call, sounds like #Hawks Duncan Keith will indeed be heading to #Oilers in exchange for D Caleb Jones and a mid-round pick (3rd or 4th round).

Final details still being ironed out. @DFOHockey

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and no salary retained by CHI? Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli · 12m Pending trade call, sounds like #Hawks Duncan Keith will indeed be heading to #Oilers in exchange for D Caleb Jones and a mid-round pick (3rd or 4th round). Final details still being ironed out. @DFOHockey

Oilers are a total trainwreck. I haven't enjoyed watching hockey in 30 years.

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In comment 15303661 pjcas18 said: Quote: heavy with D in this draft. First time in a long time. Most D heavy since 2012 I think. I did read Owen Power, projected #1, is leaning toward returning to Michigan. After seeing Caufield these playoffs after spending two years in the NCAA I'm not as firm in my belief I'd want the top pick in the NHL. I think maybe that wouldn't be terrible and probably even good for development, but it would hurt having the top pick in the year when the top pick isn't obviously NHL ready. Sabres can't catch a break. not that it bothers me. Luke Hughes is also likely going to Michigan for at least a year. I believe two more projected top 10 picks are also committed to Michigan.

Yep hopefully this draft is heading right into the Devs wheelhouse with how deep it is on D at the top. I'm not predicting they'll do it but it wouldn't shock me if Seattle took Subban. He's a good vet presense around the clubhouse and he only has 1 year left at 9 mill. They have to spend to the cap floor. I know they don't want to take on long term big $ deals but he'd fit right in with that philosophy.

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Rangers have hired Gord Murphy, Mike Kelly as assistants to join Gallant's staff, Post has learned. Both have prior experience with Gallant. Blueshirts still seeking third assistant.
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In comment 15303643 Anakim said: Quote: Obviously they still need to announce Gallant's coaching staff and Drury needs to hire an AGM, but I'm also guessing we hear about a Tony DeAngelo buyout possibly this week. Wouldnt they want to have DeAngelo around to leave him unprotected for the expansion draft before buying him out? Or is there nothing gained by exposing him

Tony D was exiled by the previous regime. Big part of the reason JD and Jg were fired is that they signed Tony and then exiled him two weeks into the season

Tony obviously has behavioral issues. But these are best handled in the Locke room not by team officials grandstanding in a hyped environment with the pandemic and various political currents temporarily overflowing their bounds

IMO Tony D saga has more episodes left

Murphy had a long unspectacular career, it seems like it's almost hard to last as long as he did as mediocre as he was.

His son is Connor Murphy on the Blackhawks.

I actually feel bad for McDavid. Just when you think they are beginning to turn the corner they make a boneheaded move like this.

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Yep hopefully this draft is heading right into the Devs wheelhouse with how deep it is on D at the top. I'm not predicting they'll do it but it wouldn't shock me if Seattle took Subban. He's a good vet presense around the clubhouse and he only has 1 year left at 9 mill. They have to spend to the cap floor. I know they don't want to take on long term big $ deals but he'd fit right in with that philosophy.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they did but I expect the Devils to expose Will Butcher, Nathan Bastian, and/or Nick Merkley who are cheaper and have an upside.

I actually hope the Devils keep Subban because he is in the final year of his contract and he will work hard to secure another big deal. The Devils could trade him at the deadline if he has a good season plus they are able to eat some of his contract to help facilitate a trade.

The Lightning dented the Cup already pretty badly. Apparently a few events were cancelled since they have to fix it.

want a high dollar short-term player like Subban? Not sure.

Subban was my favorite Hab when he was traded, but I have to say that trade turned out better for MTL than NSH.

THW has the following team projected, which like LVG I feel like could be historically bad, but I like this roster more than I liked LVG.

and protect RW Nathan Bastian I am going to be very annoyed.

what happened to Paul Byron.

MTL in the THW mock, traded two 2nd round picks to SEA so they take Byron and then they never mention what happens to Byron. I don't see him on the roster or in the AHL section nor do they mention a buyout.

dont finish his career with the Isles I will be so angry. dude has taken so much shit from this fanbase, stayed unlike Tavares, and is just a solid all around player. Could shoot more but solid

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want a high dollar short-term player like Subban? Not sure. Subban was my favorite Hab when he was traded, but I have to say that trade turned out better for MTL than NSH. THW has the following team projected, which like LVG I feel like could be historically bad, but I like this roster more than I liked LVG.

Is this after Brett Howden is waived? :P

has SEA taking Blackwell and trading Blackwell to PHI for a prospect and a pick and agreement to take Myers.

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dont finish his career with the Isles I will be so angry. dude has taken so much shit from this fanbase, stayed unlike Tavares, and is just a solid all around player. Could shoot more but solid

I really would like to lose Komarov or Eberle.

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what happened to Paul Byron. MTL in the THW mock, traded two 2nd round picks to SEA so they take Byron and then they never mention what happens to Byron. I don't see him on the roster or in the AHL section nor do they mention a buyout.

Aside from a projected trade (and protect?), did his standing fall so precipitously? He showed well in multiple SCP Series, had a couple of strong games vs Bolts, maybe faded in Games 4/5 best as I recall gleaning.

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In comment 15304050 pjcas18 said: Quote: what happened to Paul Byron. MTL in the THW mock, traded two 2nd round picks to SEA so they take Byron and then they never mention what happens to Byron. I don't see him on the roster or in the AHL section nor do they mention a buyout. Aside from a projected trade (and protect?), did his standing fall so precipitously? He showed well in multiple SCP Series, had a couple of strong games vs Bolts, maybe faded in Games 4/5 best as I recall gleaning.

Not special. he's a max effort bottom 6 player, excels in PK and defensive role, but you're right scored some big playoff goals. MTL got him off waivers (from CAL?) but I don't mind losing him, not sure I want to pay 2 2nds to do it though.

If I'm paying two 2nd's it so they take Drouin.

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In comment 15304054 KDubbs said: Quote: dont finish his career with the Isles I will be so angry. dude has taken so much shit from this fanbase, stayed unlike Tavares, and is just a solid all around player. Could shoot more but solid I really would like to lose Komarov or Eberle.

The odds of Seattle taking Komarov are about the same as taking me. That only happens if the Isles give them a pick.

My guess would be that they take Leddy. He can still play and he has an expiring contract that they can move at the trade deadline for picks.

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and protect RW Nathan Bastian I am going to be very annoyed.

Agree 100% I mean McLeod is no star, but finally he showed promise this year and you don't just give away guys who can skate like that. I bet they do protect Bastian over him though. For some reason unbeknownst to anyone the organization seems to love him.

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In comment 15304057 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 15304054 KDubbs said: Quote: dont finish his career with the Isles I will be so angry. dude has taken so much shit from this fanbase, stayed unlike Tavares, and is just a solid all around player. Could shoot more but solid I really would like to lose Komarov or Eberle. The odds of Seattle taking Komarov are about the same as taking me. That only happens if the Isles give them a pick. My guess would be that they take Leddy. He can still play and he has an expiring contract that they can move at the trade deadline for picks.

Rumors are Leddy is being shopped before the expansion draft. I'm expecting to lose Bellows or Eberle

that if Leddy is traded prior to the expansion draft then the Isles have to expose either Mayfield or Pulock due to the exposure rules (One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.)

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that if Leddy is traded prior to the expansion draft then the Isles have to expose either Mayfield or Pulock due to the exposure rules (One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.)

I believe that is correct. I'm pretty sure they don't want to expose Mayfield given his play this postseason and very reasonable contract.

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Gives them an extra $10 mil in cap space. Wonder what they could use that on...

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It also gives them a shit load of dead cap space. But yeah, maybe Guerin is in on Eichel.

Rangers could use a veteran LHD and a good locker room guy like Suter and we all know that Lou loves Parise and the Islanders need scoring.

wish list (Parise and Suter) - there is your veteran presence.

I'd give Parise a low $$$ deal over players like Blackwell or Di Guisseppe

And if I were EDM I'd rather have Suter than Keith (for the money and the picks)

I would sign either of those guys (Parise or Suter) to low $$$ deals. Solid veteran adds.

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wish list (Parise and Suter) - there is your veteran presence. I'd give Parise a low $$$ deal over players like Blackwell or Di Guisseppe And if I were EDM I'd rather have Suter than Keith (for the money and the picks) I would sign either of those guys (Parise or Suter) to low $$$ deals. Solid veteran adds.

I don't think Parise makes much sense for the Rangers. They need tougher players, not more skill.

But Suter does. Suter would be a great add for the Rangers.

for his skill or his toughness.

I'd add him for his leadership.

He's been a team captain and an alternate captain, he's won a Gold meal at the WJC representing his country and a silver medal in the Olympics representing his country, he led a team to the Stanley Cup finals, he is just a leader IMO.

and his value in the bottom 6 on a young team is incalculable IMO.

In my world it's Parise over the Blackwell or Di Guisseppe or other bottom 6 player.

I think teams will be lining up to add him.

..to the Islanders on several occasions? I thought I remembered Trading Dead Line 2020, he was extremely close to joining the Islanders.

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..to the Islanders on several occasions? I thought I remembered Trading Dead Line 2020, he was extremely close to joining the Islanders.

yes, and most suspect that's where he ends up (NYI), but I'm just saying I like him for any team.

won’t agree with me, but I think there’s a real chance Isles trade Varlamov this off-season. Carrying both Varlamov and Sorokin is a huge cap hit to spend on goalies. They could get an asset back for Varlamov (and then use that asset to dump Ladd) and we’d have to trust Korn/Trotz to add a cheaper goalie to pair with Sorokin.

pjcas - seems inevitable, I am curious from the NYI fan view, what would a Parise contract look like and would it be at the expense of someone you rate higher. I am assuming the RFAs, expansion draft, Czikas are all factors.

thanks - I forgot to add to my previous post - the cap implications in all of those decisions. Vegas' selection should start the ball rolling on mosty teams trying to build their 2021-22 rosters.

signed Corey Perry to a one year 750k contract this year, I think the value Parise brings could be similar.

I don't think he's getting a ton of money at this stage of his career.

Obviously not the kind of player Perry is/was, but similar in terms of veteran leadership

My July 4th. Time flies.

gets his wish.

Canadiens Montréal
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The Canadiens have agreed to terms on a three-year contract extension (2021-22 to 2023-24) with head coach Dominique Ducharme.

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Absolutely brutal hit for so long - do the Wild think they're a player away from being contenders?

I think this is a bad move for them.

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won’t agree with me, but I think there’s a real chance Isles trade Varlamov this off-season. Carrying both Varlamov and Sorokin is a huge cap hit to spend on goalies. They could get an asset back for Varlamov (and then use that asset to dump Ladd) and we’d have to trust Korn/Trotz to add a cheaper goalie to pair with Sorokin.

Im absolutely with you. Love Varly but he is the easiest trade I think that can free up money. I would love to sign Dreidger to be 1b.

If Parise isn’t an Islander but honestly I would love for the Devils to bring in both Suter and Parise on 1-2 year deals. At the end of the season the Devils had the youngest forward group in NHL history. They desperately need more veteran leadership in the locker room. Parise and Suter would both fill that need.

A high draft pick to take Suter in the expansion draft. They do save a lot of cap room this year but now they have a lot of dead money to deal with.

the first entry in the Shane Wright sweepstakes or really the top pick the three years after that. Holy crap that's painful to look at.

The Minnesota Wild

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A high draft pick to take Suter in the expansion draft. They do save a lot of cap room this year but now they have a lot of dead money to deal with.

They had $10mm each of salary to be paid the next four years. It was an easy deal for a cheap to eat. I don't get why you couldn't get a team to retain half on both of them. Maybe they tried and the players refused to waive their NMC's?

What the hell were they thinking?

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What the hell were they thinking?

I have no idea, but cap management, contracts, and trades are areas I usually trust the experts.

but man, that looks bad, doesn't it?

What is it?

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What is it?

try this link and scroll down to dead cap buyout history
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Dead cap money for the next six years:

$4,743,588
$12,743,588
$14,743,588
$14,743,588
$1,666,666
$1,666,666

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Dead cap money for the next six years: $4,743,588 $12,743,588 $14,743,588 $14,743,588 $1,666,666 $1,666,666

Sather would be proud

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Dead cap money for the next six years: $4,743,588 $12,743,588 $14,743,588 $14,743,588 $1,666,666 $1,666,666

I want to say that's...ah....less than ideal

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Moves like this are made by GMs who think they only have a year or two left and need to compete immediately. The biggest thing that pissed me off about Sather was he behaved the same way despite having a life-time guarantee. He was forced into being smart and long-term after his dreadful first few years, but immediately went into short-term mode once Lundqvist/Jagr were hot post-lockout.

Hearing Parise's name also pisses me off - I think we would have had a Cup or two if we picked him over Jessiman.

Is littered with all-stars:

1 Marc-Andre Fleury (G) Canada Pittsburgh Penguins (from Florida) Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL)
2 Eric Staal (C) Canada Carolina Hurricanes Peterborough Petes (OHL)
3 Nathan Horton (RW) Canada Florida Panthers (from Pittsburgh) Oshawa Generals (OHL)
4 Nikolay Zherdev (RW) Russia Columbus Blue Jackets CSKA Moscow (Russia)
5 Thomas Vanek (LW) Austria Buffalo Sabres University of Minnesota (NCAA)
6 Milan Michalek (LW) Czech Republic San Jose Sharks HC Ceske Budejovice (Czech Republic)
7 Ryan Suter (D) United States Nashville Predators US Nat'l U-18 (NAHL)
8 Braydon Coburn (D) Canada Atlanta Thrashers Portland Winterhawks (WHL)
9 Dion Phaneuf (D) Canada Calgary Flames Red Deer Rebels (WHL)
10 Andrei Kostitsyn (RW) Belarus Montreal Canadiens CSKA Moscow (Russia)
11 Jeff Carter (C) Canada Philadelphia Flyers (from Phoenix) Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL)
12 Hugh Jessiman (RW) United States New York Rangers Dartmouth College (NCAA)
13 Dustin Brown (RW) United States Los Angeles Kings Guelph Storm (OHL)
14 Brent Seabrook (D) Canada Chicago Blackhawks Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL)
15 Robert Nilsson (RW) Sweden New York Islanders Leksands IF (Sweden)
16 Steve Bernier (RW) Canada San Jose Sharks (from Boston) Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL)
17 Zach Parise (LW) United States New Jersey Devils (from Edmonton) University of North Dakota (NCAA)
18 Eric Fehr (RW) Canada Washington Capitals Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)
19 Ryan Getzlaf (C) Canada Mighty Ducks of Anaheim Calgary Hitmen (WHL)
20 Brent Burns (RW) Canada Minnesota Wild Brampton Battalion (OHL)
21 Mark Stuart (D) United States Boston Bruins (from Toronto via San Jose) Colorado College (NCAA)
22 Marc-Antoine Pouliot (C) Canada Edmonton Oilers (from St. Louis via New Jersey) Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL)
23 Ryan Kesler (C) United States Vancouver Canucks Ohio State University (NCAA)
24 Mike Richards (C) Canada Philadelphia Flyers Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
25 Anthony Stewart (RW) Canada Florida Panthers (from Tampa Bay) Kingston Frontenacs (OHL)
26 Brian Boyle (C) United States Los Angeles Kings (from Colorado) Saint Sebastian's School (USHS-MA)
27 Jeff Tambellini (LW) Canada Los Angeles Kings (from Detroit) University of Michigan (NCAA)
28 Corey Perry (RW) Canada Mighty Ducks of Anaheim (from Dallas) London Knights (OHL)
29 Patrick Eaves (RW) United States Ottawa Senators Boston College (NCAA)
30 Shawn Belle (D) Canada St. Louis Blues (from New Jersey) Tri-City Americans (WHL)

We could have thrown a blind dart and gotten more production than Huge Disappointment. Sather blows.

In comment 15304657 PwndPapi said:

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We could have thrown a blind dart and gotten more production than Huge Disappointment. Sather blows.

You probably would have just hit Robert Nilsson.

is such a crapshoot, especially after the top portion of the 1st round.

18 year old kids are hard to project.

Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
· 1h
Breaking News: Darren Dreger on Insider Trading just said the #GoAvsGo and Gabriel Landeskog are not even close to an extension.

Dreger said the Colorado Avalanche has to change significantly or else Landeskog will go to market.

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My July 4th. Time flies.

That was a rough offseason. Losing Parise was extremely disappointing but once I saw the length of the contract I knew that the Devils would seriously regret it with 5-8 years left on the contract.

Pekka Rinne retired. I thought he was overrated throughout much of his career.

Rumors are MIN cleared space to make a run at Eichel.

Saw on Twitter that the Islanders are shopping Leddy.

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Pekka Rinne retired. I thought he was overrated throughout much of his career..

Who was it that said Rinne was better than Henrik? Was it FEK? Arc used to tease someone about that...

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In comment 15304480 Stu11 said: Quote: My July 4th. Time flies. That was a rough offseason. Losing Parise was extremely disappointing but once I saw the length of the contract I knew that the Devils would seriously regret it with 5-8 years left on the contract.

Yeah anyone could have predicted a decade down the road those contracts would be a mess, and here we are.

were very similar IMO.

they are practically statistical clones.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
· 4h
There's a growing sense that the Predators might leave Matt Duchene unprotected in the expansion draft. Has five more years on his deal at an $8M AAV.
@TSNHockey @TheAthletic

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won’t agree with me, but I think there’s a real chance Isles trade Varlamov this off-season. Carrying both Varlamov and Sorokin is a huge cap hit to spend on goalies. They could get an asset back for Varlamov (and then use that asset to dump Ladd) and we’d have to trust Korn/Trotz to add a cheaper goalie to pair with Sorokin.

I think it's possible, but only if someone overpays them. He's a Vezina candidate who has played well in the playoffs signed reasonably with 2 years remaining (5m AAV). I don't see Lou trading a known quantity for a 2nd, or even a combo of 2nds/3rds. Maybe at the deadline if Sorokin steps up and takes control.

I do think Lou will somehow leverage the expansion draft to cut 3-5m in salary. Leddy is the obvious name who will be exposed but I'm not sure he's a good fit for an expansion team with only 1 year left. More likely I think they attach a draft pick to move out a contract.

Like others I'd be pretty surprised if Parise doesn't end up an Islander. Not sure if addig him and getting Lee/Wahlstrom healthy is enough to get by Tampa but i'm also not sure it's not enough. Especially if Tampa finally deals with their cap situation.

it sounds like they may trade Leddy ahead of the expansion draft to clear cap and make sure they don't lose him for nothing (per Staple), and though a Leddy to Chara swap would certainly decrease their speed, for 1 year I think he'd be a nice addition (assuming he's willing to take a smallish 1 year deal to play for a contender).

Bruins D retired.

So many injuries, and such perseverance to come back and now go out on his terms.

Lance Lysowski
@LLysowski
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Jeff Skinner has agreed to waive his NMC for the purpose of being exposed in the Seattle expansion draft, his agent, Don Meehan, told me.

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Lance Lysowski @LLysowski · 6m Jeff Skinner has agreed to waive his NMC for the purpose of being exposed in the Seattle expansion draft, his agent, Don Meehan, told me.

Skinner jumped when they placed a truckload of money in front of him. He was never a leader when in Carolina. Obviously Buffalo thought he would be able to help lead a pretty garbage Sabres team. They couldn't have been more wrong.
He always had talent and I can't help but wonder if he is put in a new situation where he can just be a regular second line player that he won't start producing again. The contract is an albatross but if they are willing to take the chance and it works out.....Hey who knows. 50-60 points a year at 9 million a year may be overpaying for him but those points will help the Kracken team out.

As for the expansion draft. There are some pretty good goalies that are going to be available. Seattle should be able to solidify their net for at least the next few years. That is a great start.

On the Canes front. I really hope they make a run at Driedger (UFA) from the Panthers to help in the net. They have 20 million to spend and if they don't get stupid and sign Hamilton for 8 million a year long term deal which he is apparently wanting. They will have enough money to sign some good players to fill those few holes that they have that should help them get better and become a cup contender. Again starting with Driedger.

should try and trade Bobrovsky to SEA if they can get bob to waive his NMC.

And then go with Knight and re-signed Driedger

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should try and trade Bobrovsky to SEA if they can get bob to waive his NMC. And then go with Knight and re-signed Driedger

I am sure that the Panthers GM would love to dump that contract. I think it was signed before he got the job. Bobrovsky has a Carey Price type of albatross contract. Five more years at 10 million a year. Anyone in Seattle who grabs that needs their head checked. Then fired. Only an idiot like Marc Bergevin would think that it is a great deal.

I am sure that Ron Francis will not pull a Bergevin. Especially since the goalies that are going to be available are solid.

In comment 15304860 Eric on Li said:

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it sounds like they may trade Leddy ahead of the expansion draft to clear cap and make sure they don't lose him for nothing (per Staple), and though a Leddy to Chara swap would certainly decrease their speed, for 1 year I think he'd be a nice addition (assuming he's willing to take a smallish 1 year deal to play for a contender).

You'll know if a Leddy trade is coming down the pike if you see Greene signed. They need to have a D to expose in the expansion draft and they won't if they trade Leddy and don't sign/acquire anyone else.

In comment 15305035 Scott in Montreal said:

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In comment 15305011 pjcas18 said: Quote: should try and trade Bobrovsky to SEA if they can get bob to waive his NMC. And then go with Knight and re-signed Driedger I am sure that the Panthers GM would love to dump that contract. I think it was signed before he got the job. Bobrovsky has a Carey Price type of albatross contract. Five more years at 10 million a year. Anyone in Seattle who grabs that needs their head checked. Then fired. Only an idiot like Marc Bergevin would think that it is a great deal. I am sure that Ron Francis will not pull a Bergevin. Especially since the goalies that are going to be available are solid.

The hate is irrational, it's almost like Bergevin banged your wife. I know people throw that around sometimes as a cliche, but not sure there is a better explanation.

Bergevin was a finalist for GM of the year.

Does he make bad moves? Of course just like all GM's, but your contempt is beyond reason.

Joe McDonald
@JoeyMacHockey
· 25m
Hearing the Bruins and Brandon Carlo have reached a long-term deal. Great move by Don Sweeney. Carlo a huge part of the Bruins.

6 years at $4.1M per

as Greg on LI is to the Hokies.

Unbridled, irrational and seething hatred.

In comment 15305051 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15305035 Scott in Montreal said: Quote: In comment 15305011 pjcas18 said: Quote: should try and trade Bobrovsky to SEA if they can get bob to waive his NMC. And then go with Knight and re-signed Driedger I am sure that the Panthers GM would love to dump that contract. I think it was signed before he got the job. Bobrovsky has a Carey Price type of albatross contract. Five more years at 10 million a year. Anyone in Seattle who grabs that needs their head checked. Then fired. Only an idiot like Marc Bergevin would think that it is a great deal. I am sure that Ron Francis will not pull a Bergevin. Especially since the goalies that are going to be available are solid. The hate is irrational, it's almost like Bergevin banged your wife. I know people throw that around sometimes as a cliche, but not sure there is a better explanation. Bergevin was a finalist for GM of the year. Does he make bad moves? Of course just like all GM's, but your contempt is beyond reason.

The only reason that he was a finalist is that the Habs were on a run. They did finish 18th overall and would not have made the playoffs in a normal season. Even the French press here were naming his replacements as late as after they beat the Leafs in the first round. If you knew how things work in this province. You know that when the French press has it out for you. Better start planning to put your house up for sale.

I wish he would bang my ex-wife. Maybe she would lighten up about always wanting more child support every month.

Outside of hockey. He is a turd of person. My girlfriend (who is the exact opposite of me. A real see the positive in everyone and thinks that everyone is a good person) works at one of the hospitals here.
She deals with all of the Habs. She says they are all great. Very nice, polite and accommodating to the staff and the people that they see. Not Bergevin. He is arrogant. Talks down to everyone and he acts like his shit don't stink.
Always bitching at all the staff about every single thing and refuses to acknowledge anyone (unless he is complaining to them) or answer questions from anyone except the Habs doctor.
My girlfriend (Ms.Happy-Positive) even called him an asshole.

may be an asshole, I'd never debate that with anyone or about any athlete/celebrity/famous person who I don't know.

And I agree it's somewhat inconsistent, but GM of the year is the only award that gets voted on during the playoffs (after the second round) but I agree with it because who gives a shit about the GM when the team wins Presidents Cup but loses 1st round (especially if healthy).

I think teams underestimated the fact the North had a lot of parity, not that is sucked, and maybe not juggernauts other than the mentally weak Maple Leafs, but all solid teams. They had the "best worst team" in any division.

hockey should be about the playoffs.

and the ifs and buts mean nothing to me. If JPP doesn't block a FG in Dallas the Giants likely miss the playoffs, instead they won a SB. if DeSean Jackson doesn't miraculously return a punt for a TD ending a miraculous comeback the GB Packers would have been eliminated from the playoffs. Instead? Super Bowl champs. A lot of stuff happens in sports where you can say but....it doesn't matter.

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And I agree it's somewhat inconsistent, but GM of the year is the only award that gets voted on during the playoffs (after the second round) but I agree with it because who gives a shit about the GM when the team wins Presidents Cup but loses 1st round (especially if healthy). I think teams underestimated the fact the North had a lot of parity, not that is sucked, and maybe not juggernauts other than the mentally weak Maple Leafs, but all solid teams. They had the "best worst team" in any division. hockey should be about the playoffs.

I can agree with that. Just get in.
I am too sure that the two teams that ended up 16th and 17th overall (Rangers and Stars) who finished ahead of the Habs would agree because of "special circumstances" not giving them a chance to play because they were placed in stronger divisions.

Anyway. It is done with. The right team of the two won. I am excited to see who Seattle takes and who the Canes get to fill those holes.

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as Greg on LI is to the Hokies. Unbridled, irrational and seething hatred.

It's completely rational! Won't disputed the unbridled and seething part, though.

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6 years at $4.1M per

that's a great deal.

In comment 15305038 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 15304860 Eric on Li said: Quote: it sounds like they may trade Leddy ahead of the expansion draft to clear cap and make sure they don't lose him for nothing (per Staple), and though a Leddy to Chara swap would certainly decrease their speed, for 1 year I think he'd be a nice addition (assuming he's willing to take a smallish 1 year deal to play for a contender). You'll know if a Leddy trade is coming down the pike if you see Greene signed. They need to have a D to expose in the expansion draft and they won't if they trade Leddy and don't sign/acquire anyone else.

I think that's wrong - assuming they go 7-3-1 the 3 D they are going to protect are almost definitely Pulock, Pelech (RFA), and Mayfield. Which is why Leddy is the odd man out in the first place.

In comment 15305180 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 15305038 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: In comment 15304860 Eric on Li said: Quote: it sounds like they may trade Leddy ahead of the expansion draft to clear cap and make sure they don't lose him for nothing (per Staple), and though a Leddy to Chara swap would certainly decrease their speed, for 1 year I think he'd be a nice addition (assuming he's willing to take a smallish 1 year deal to play for a contender). You'll know if a Leddy trade is coming down the pike if you see Greene signed. They need to have a D to expose in the expansion draft and they won't if they trade Leddy and don't sign/acquire anyone else. I think that's wrong - assuming they go 7-3-1 the 3 D they are going to protect are almost definitely Pulock, Pelech (RFA), and Mayfield. Which is why Leddy is the odd man out in the first place.

But there is a requirement that at least one defenseman who meets certain NHL game played requirements is exposed. The only other defenseman on the roster meeting that is Dobson, and he is ineligible to be taken. Greene and Coburn are free agents, and Hockey hasn’t played enough the past two years.

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In comment 15304466 Metnut said: Quote: won’t agree with me, but I think there’s a real chance Isles trade Varlamov this off-season. Carrying both Varlamov and Sorokin is a huge cap hit to spend on goalies. They could get an asset back for Varlamov (and then use that asset to dump Ladd) and we’d have to trust Korn/Trotz to add a cheaper goalie to pair with Sorokin. ////// I think it's possible, but only if someone overpays them. He's a Vezina candidate who has played well in the playoffs signed reasonably with 2 years remaining (5m AAV). I don't see Lou trading a known quantity for a 2nd, or even a combo of 2nds/3rds. Maybe at the deadline if Sorokin steps up and takes control. I do think Lou will somehow leverage the expansion draft to cut 3-5m in salary. Leddy is the obvious name who will be exposed but I'm not sure he's a good fit for an expansion team with only 1 year left. More likely I think they attach a draft pick to move out a contract. Like others I'd be pretty surprised if Parise doesn't end up an Islander. Not sure if addig him and getting Lee/Wahlstrom healthy is enough to get by Tampa but i'm also not sure it's not enough. Especially if Tampa finally deals with their cap situation.

I follow Isles only derivatively, i.e., when team is in SCP and NYR are not (that's a qualifier for Greg's benefit), but following NYI the last two Playoffs, to my mind Eric makes a lot of sense, as he usually does on Giants' threads, even when I disagree with his points.

for some contributors here LOL.

I know it's pissing where I eat, but assuming NYR did qualify for SCP, notwithstanding the strong Division and hence poorer regular season record, vs. e.g., North, I cannot conceive of an opponent NYR would be competitive against, except, perhaps, Habs, and that's not to denigrate them, but that would imo have been their only salvageable matchup. And Rangers would have been long gone before the finals.

neither are Sorokin or Wahlstrom. Here's a link to Staple's most recent projection from about a month ago with the 7-3-1 protection list:

7F - Barzal, Lee, Bailey, Eberle, JGP, Nelson, Beau
3D - Pulock, Pelech, Mayfield
1G - Varlamov

after the playoffs I dont think any of the choices are all that questionable. Those are the obvious 11 to protect. Mayfield's contract is too big of a steal to not protect.

That leaves Leddy as the only true regular exposed, though with only 1 year left I'm not sure Seattle picks him. I think Koivula and Bellows are the 2 most likely losses. Though I think the most likely outcome is Lou gives Seattle a draft pick to take Ladd off their hands.
Islanders protected list: Who’s staying and who could be picked in the Seattle Kraken expansion draft? - ( New Window )

Yeah, he had an awesome rookie season, but that's a lot of coin to turn down off a rookie season (especially a 23-year old rookie season).

Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
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Breaking News: According to @RussoHockey
#MNWild Kirill Kaprizov has reportedly turned down a $9M x 8 contract.

Reports are that he wants a shorter term (4-5 years) because he sees himself as a $10M-$11M player in the future.

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Yeah, he had an awesome rookie season, but that's a lot of coin to turn down off a rookie season (especially a 23-year old rookie season). Hockey Hound @HockeyHoundShow · 7h Breaking News: According to @RussoHockey #MNWild Kirill Kaprizov has reportedly turned down a $9M x 8 contract. Reports are that he wants a shorter term (4-5 years) because he sees himself as a $10M-$11M player in the future.

Yeesh. I mean he's probably right, but yeesh.

he's 32, not 38, he's got time for another contract.

he's risking injury, poor play, etc.

I would take the $72M, but I'm also not as cool as Kiril

take him, but he'd be a perfect inaugural captain.

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Costa Rontzocos @Rontzeeez · 18s Per Renaud Lavoie's sources Shea Weber won't be protected in the Expansion draft and its regarding an injury that may keep him out for a while heading into 2022

hope he's ok and if he retires I forget the details, but Nashville bears the brunt of it.

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Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva · 3m I’m hearing the @CanadiensMTL won't protect Shea Weber for the expansion draft. Following the latest medical evaluations, he could miss all of next season. If not more.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
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Further to what @renlavoietva
reported, can report that there’s concern for Shea Weber over knee, ankle and thumb injuries. May not play next season. Habs haven’t made any final decisions on expansion draft yet but seems likely they won’t protect him. Weber saw doc today.

but if Weber retires, Nashville has a $4.9M cap penalty the next 5 years. MTL has a 540k penalty the next 5 years.

If his injuries are in fact career threatening the Predators best play might just be acquiring Weber in a trade and keeping him on LTIR the next 5 years - like was done with Chris Pronger.

I don't understand how all this works and I hope Weber's career isn't over, but it is a unique situation to monitor.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
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Sources say the Maple Leafs have granted Zach Hyman’s agent, Todd Reynolds permission to speak with other NHL clubs to investigate trading his rights.

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I don't know what happened in Florida, but Yandle produced ~0.5 PPG last year. He's still a pretty solid player.

Andersen is a FA.
they only have 16 skaters under contract.
if they add a market rate starting G the cap room they have is going to dry up quick.
no first round pick.

and as we all know almost half of their cap is tied up in Matthews, Marner, and Tavares (who has a full NMC).

If they want to do anything it would seem almost certain Nylander would have to go. But is there a big enough move they can make with him as a headliner?

I know this is off the wall bonkers but I think there'd be some logic in a Tavares back to the NYI deal for both sides and I'd guess it'd be one of the few teams Tavares would ok - but obviously the odds of something like that happening are probably less than .0000001%.

i saw a tweet stating the Isles after the overages penalty not have like 4.4 million under the cap but that they will gain 6 mill when they LTIR boychuk again, is this true? I just assumed his 6 million was already added in the cap number for this upcoming season

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i saw a tweet stating the Isles after the overages penalty not have like 4.4 million under the cap but that they will gain 6 mill when they LTIR boychuk again, is this true? I just assumed his 6 million was already added in the cap number for this upcoming season

I believe they will gain $6M (and have $10.4M in space) once Boychuk is approved by the league for LTIR.

I don't know the approval process or how long it takes but teams have to apply for LTIR relief.

And you have to root for the kid when he's on the ice, but I would really think long and hard about handing him 7.5 or 8M over the next 8 seasons. The kid is not a finished product yet and we don't know how he will hold up to the rigors of the NHL.

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i saw a tweet stating the Isles after the overages penalty not have like 4.4 million under the cap but that they will gain 6 mill when they LTIR boychuk again, is this true? I just assumed his 6 million was already added in the cap number for this upcoming season

just browsing capfriendly it looks like right now Boychuk's 6m salary is currently counted in their 77m payroll total - so I think you are right. When the window opens to move Boychuk to LTIR they will gain 6m, so if those numbers are all right they currently have closer to 9 or 10m in free space (including Green's bonus).
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/islanders - ( New Window )

In comment 15305542 Eric on Li said:

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Andersen is a FA. they only have 16 skaters under contract. if they add a market rate starting G the cap room they have is going to dry up quick. no first round pick. and as we all know almost half of their cap is tied up in Matthews, Marner, and Tavares (who has a full NMC). If they want to do anything it would seem almost certain Nylander would have to go. But is there a big enough move they can make with him as a headliner? I know this is off the wall bonkers but I think there'd be some logic in a Tavares back to the NYI deal for both sides and I'd guess it'd be one of the few teams Tavares would ok - but obviously the odds of something like that happening are probably less than .0000001%.

I think they roll with Campbell again he was better than Andersen and most of their not under contract players are role players except Hyman - who is meh.

I think TBL has a rough cap situation. Can't LTIR Kucherov again.

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neither are Sorokin or Wahlstrom. Here's a link to Staple's most recent projection from about a month ago with the 7-3-1 protection list: 7F - Barzal, Lee, Bailey, Eberle, JGP, Nelson, Beau 3D - Pulock, Pelech, Mayfield 1G - Varlamov after the playoffs I dont think any of the choices are all that questionable. Those are the obvious 11 to protect. Mayfield's contract is too big of a steal to not protect. That leaves Leddy as the only true regular exposed, though with only 1 year left I'm not sure Seattle picks him. I think Koivula and Bellows are the 2 most likely losses. Though I think the most likely outcome is Lou gives Seattle a draft pick to take Ladd off their hands. Islanders protected list: Who’s staying and who could be picked in the Seattle Kraken expansion draft? - ( New Window )

I think we are talking past each other a little bit.

I agree that the list Staple posted is the list the Isles would protect with no changes. But that assumes Leddy is still on the team and unprotected. The rule on who is exposed includes the following:

"One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons."

If they protect Pelech, Pulock and Mayfield (which they will) but Leddy is traded, someone needs to be on the roster who meets that criteria. Without Leddy, they would not meet that requirement.

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In comment 15305572 KDubbs said: Quote: i saw a tweet stating the Isles after the overages penalty not have like 4.4 million under the cap but that they will gain 6 mill when they LTIR boychuk again, is this true? I just assumed his 6 million was already added in the cap number for this upcoming season just browsing capfriendly it looks like right now Boychuk's 6m salary is currently counted in their 77m payroll total - so I think you are right. When the window opens to move Boychuk to LTIR they will gain 6m, so if those numbers are all right they currently have closer to 9 or 10m in free space (including Green's bonus). https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/islanders - ( New Window )

well that makes our situation a little less worse than it seemed. now unload leddy and hopefully eberle taken in draft maybe we can have around 18 mill to play with. Bring in Parise and hopefully Suter together on the cheap and just resign pelech, beauv and casey and lets go!

Andy Strickland
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Hearing Taylor Hall return to #NHLBruins is moving in that direction.

combined with Boychuk to LTIR, the Isles will have roughly $21.4M in cap space. Assume average AAVs for the RFAs of the following (based on Staple estimate(:

Pelech: $5.5M AAV
Beauvilier: $4.5M AAV
Sorokin: $2.8M AAV

That leaves $8.6 in cap space. That will likely to to Cizikas ($2M AAV) and a replacement for Leddy (figure $3M AAV). Now you have between $3M and $4M which is not much space to re-sign a guy like Palmieri.

comes out with a very critical commentary on Torts.

I wonder if he gets moved again.

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comes out with a very critical commentary on Torts. I wonder if he gets moved again.

and I know Larsen is now the coach, but his comments were of the nature that just reeks prima donna.

The idea that you can just lose Leddy and be fine is silly. As I said in the other thread, he didn't go from elite skater to pedestrian in 2 months. There had to be a nagging injury. For all his warts he's consistently among the top of the league in zone exits and entries. His ability to skate the puck is huge. They have exactly 3 guys capable of navigating the neutral zone with possession, losing one seems foolish.

I think LL will entice Francis to take a forward. I also expect some type of fuckery to exile Ladd's cap hit.

so he can skate and make an exit pass. we'll ignore that he's not good playing defense and that he helps qb a pp thats been consistently awful for years 👍🏻 he's a 5th dman on this team and his money can be spent better elsewhere. this isnt getting leddy and boychuk at a time when we had nobody on D. you have 4 guys that will be around for a long time and others coming up knocking on the door. Its really not that big a loss

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so he can skate and make an exit pass. we'll ignore that he's not good playing defense and that he helps qb a pp thats been consistently awful for years 👍🏻 he's a 5th dman on this team and his money can be spent better elsewhere. this isnt getting leddy and boychuk at a time when we had nobody on D. you have 4 guys that will be around for a long time and others coming up knocking on the door. Its really not that big a loss

K

Leddys contract going so that we can sign Cizikas back because without him, the other 2 guys have been proven to be pretty useless. it has to be the 3 togetheror we're f'ed

is throughout the playoffs. Maybe Leddy was hurt, but he wasn’t really great and helping us gain zone exits in the playoffs.

I’m not itching to give up Leddy (or Varlamov) but the team has to be cap complaint. If you keep Leddy then you probably have to trade draft picks to unload Ladd and you also lose Eberle and Cizikas and don’t have the cap space (or the draft picks) to really replace them.

It’s a hard spot.

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sign Cizikas back because without him, the other 2 guys have been proven to be pretty useless. it has to be the 3 togetheror we're f'ed

This i agree with completely. I expect they will overpay on term and he'll take less aav. If someone throws 3.5 us you say good luck.

The cliff is rapidly approaching for all of them unfortunately. I wish they could be bubble wrapped and unleashed in the post season.

The question is whether he is worth the contract he has. If they lose him, they need to bring in someone else to replace him. It is silly to think they can replace him with a prospect. That is not what Lou and Barry do.

The will only move Leddy if they acquire a defenseman back, or feel there are enough in free agency at a lesser price that they can live with. I think trading him is a last resort because they expect they may lose him for no compensation in the expansion draft.

one of my buddies with last name Leddy (no relation) from growing up son is a prospect for next year's draft.

Charlie Leddy.

His uncle Brian and I played in High School together - Brian was a line mate of Martin St. Louis at UVM.

His father Scott is a few years older than me, but good dude, known the family my whole life. I'm pulling for this kid. On the US U17 team for now, BC commit for 2022.


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In comment 15305262 Eric on Li said: Quote: neither are Sorokin or Wahlstrom. Here's a link to Staple's most recent projection from about a month ago with the 7-3-1 protection list: 7F - Barzal, Lee, Bailey, Eberle, JGP, Nelson, Beau 3D - Pulock, Pelech, Mayfield 1G - Varlamov after the playoffs I dont think any of the choices are all that questionable. Those are the obvious 11 to protect. Mayfield's contract is too big of a steal to not protect. That leaves Leddy as the only true regular exposed, though with only 1 year left I'm not sure Seattle picks him. I think Koivula and Bellows are the 2 most likely losses. Though I think the most likely outcome is Lou gives Seattle a draft pick to take Ladd off their hands. Islanders protected list: Who’s staying and who could be picked in the Seattle Kraken expansion draft? - ( New Window ) I think we are talking past each other a little bit. I agree that the list Staple posted is the list the Isles would protect with no changes. But that assumes Leddy is still on the team and unprotected. The rule on who is exposed includes the following: "One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons." If they protect Pelech, Pulock and Mayfield (which they will) but Leddy is traded, someone needs to be on the roster who meets that criteria. Without Leddy, they would not meet that requirement.

But at this point there's no reason to assume Leddy isn't on the team. Unless someone just blows them away with a first round pick or something (which seems highly unlikely).

It's also why I suspect the NYI will try to just bribe SEA into taking some salary off their hands with a draft pick (Komarov or Ladd). If that happens there's no issue with protection rules, no reason to fear losing Leddy, and post-draft were so inclined they could trade Leddy to bring back a pick. Komarov only has 1 year @ 3m left so that would be a pretty easy contract to absorb and a pretty cheap way to add a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Possibly even adding the pick along with 1 of the players they may have selected any way (like Koivula or Bellows).

5.5 is below market for his contribution. All the emotional nonsense takes from fans aside, he's a valuable 2nd pairing guy. You aren't replacing his skills for less money

In comment 15305686 Diversify yo bonds said:

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5.5 is below market for his contribution. All the emotional nonsense takes from fans aside, he's a valuable 2nd pairing guy. You aren't replacing his skills for less money

I don't know if I'd call it below market but it's certainly fair market. When you are pushing for a cup and up against cap tough decisions have to be made (like Toews last year) and this is one that could go either way. The rule Mike pointed out makes me think it's very unlikely he gets dealt before the expansion draft though.

He had some inside sauces

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5.5 is below market for his contribution. All the emotional nonsense takes from fans aside, he's a valuable 2nd pairing guy. You aren't replacing his skills for less money

So you must view that Carlo deal as very team friendly, no?

Sure, he doesn't skate like Leddy, but he's a beast in his own zone and he's much younger.

Bruins hopefully get crushed on the McAvoy contract.

In comment 15305708 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15305686 Diversify yo bonds said: Quote: 5.5 is below market for his contribution. All the emotional nonsense takes from fans aside, he's a valuable 2nd pairing guy. You aren't replacing his skills for less money So you must view that Carlo deal as very team friendly, no? Sure, he doesn't skate like Leddy, but he's a beast in his own zone and he's much younger. Bruins hopefully get crushed on the McAvoy contract.

Very team friendly, I'm hoping it keeps Pelech's # down.

Apples and oranges with Leddy. The market for defensive guys and Puck movers is very different. 40 point guys get a lot more $$.

that's why McAvoy is a unicorn or at least a rarity, a defensive beast and offensive skill.

McAvoy is a 40-pt player, plays the hard minutes, and is defensively solid.

I loved him in juniors and knew somehow he'd wind up a Bruin.

At least he's a Giants fan.

In comment 15305723 pjcas18 said:

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that's why McAvoy is a unicorn or at least a rarity, a defensive beast and offensive skill. McAvoy is a 40-pt player, plays the hard minutes, and is defensively solid. I loved him in juniors and knew somehow he'd wind up a Bruin. At least he's a Giants fan.

And he grew up a Rangers fan

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comes out with a very critical commentary on Torts. I wonder if he gets moved again.

Does anyone like playing under Torts? He reminds me a lot of Parcells. Fun to hear in press conferences and delivers shorter term but always wears out his welcome. Major difference is players liked Parcells.

They re-sign C Michael McLeod to a 2 year $1.95 million dollar deal. McLeod finally showed progress last season and he will have a good shot at winning the 3rd line C spot.

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They re-sign C Michael McLeod to a 2 year $1.95 million dollar deal. McLeod finally showed progress last season and he will have a good shot at winning the 3rd line C spot.

You have to think they'll protect him now. We hy sign a guy to a 2 year deal then expose him? Good I like what I saw out if him this past season. He can be a part of the future when we get good hopefully.

talking to Leafs re: Hyman.

Abbey Mastracco
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The Devils acquired defenseman Ryan Graves for Mikhail Maltsev and a second round pick. It’s a lot to give up, but the Devils badly needed a defenseman and Graves gives them some physicality, size and defense on the blue line. It’s a good acquisition for Jersey.

Graves was selected by the New York Rangers, 110th overall, in the 2013 NHL Entry Draft. Traded by the Rangers in 2018 for
Chris Bigras.

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Graves was selected by the New York Rangers, 110th overall, in the 2013 NHL Entry Draft. Traded by the Rangers in 2018 for Chris Bigras.

Yep. One of the worst trades made by Gorton.

In comment 15305911 pjcas18 said:

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Abbey Mastracco @AbbeyMastracco · 27s The Devils acquired defenseman Ryan Graves for Mikhail Maltsev and a second round pick. It’s a lot to give up, but the Devils badly needed a defenseman and Graves gives them some physicality, size and defense on the blue line. It’s a good acquisition for Jersey.

This is a great trade for the Devils. They took advantage of a team with cap concerns to acquire a solid 2nd pairing defender.

In comment 15305911 pjcas18 said:

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Abbey Mastracco @AbbeyMastracco · 27s The Devils acquired defenseman Ryan Graves for Mikhail Maltsev and a second round pick. It’s a lot to give up, but the Devils badly needed a defenseman and Graves gives them some physicality, size and defense on the blue line. It’s a good acquisition for Jersey.

Interesting deal. Trying to getvaxread on him from Avs fans on Twitter and its bizarre. Half live him, half think he's a bum. They were probably gonna lose him to the Kracken. I like it from the Devs standpoint as it's a definite upgrade on our 2nd d pairing. I like Maktsev but we have a ton of young fwds with upside. The 2nd rounder is the Isles 2nd.

In comment 15305950 Stu11 said:

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Interesting deal. Trying to getvaxread on him from Avs fans on Twitter and its bizarre. Half live him, half think he's a bum. They were probably gonna lose him to the Kracken. I like it from the Devs standpoint as it's a definite upgrade on our 2nd d pairing. I like Maktsev but we have a ton of young fwds with upside. The 2nd rounder is the Isles 2nd.

There is a 100% chance that the Kraken would have taken him. He likely would be their top pairing LD so the Avs wisely got something for him rather than lose him for nothing.

I think that it's obvious that Butcher will be exposed and is more than likely going to be selected by Seattle.

In comment 15305955 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 15305950 Stu11 said: Quote: Interesting deal. Trying to getvaxread on him from Avs fans on Twitter and its bizarre. Half live him, half think he's a bum. They were probably gonna lose him to the Kracken. I like it from the Devs standpoint as it's a definite upgrade on our 2nd d pairing. I like Maktsev but we have a ton of young fwds with upside. The 2nd rounder is the Isles 2nd. There is a 100% chance that the Kraken would have taken him. He likely would be their top pairing LD so the Avs wisely got something for him rather than lose him for nothing. I think that it's obvious that Butcher will be exposed and is more than likely going to be selected by Seattle.

Yep Butcher and PK are sure to be exposed now. Now I think.the Devs target some vet scoring and grit at fwd. A Blake Coleman reunion wouldn't shock me.

In comment 15305956 Stu11 said:

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In comment 15305955 Jay on the Island said: Quote: In comment 15305950 Stu11 said: Quote: Interesting deal. Trying to getvaxread on him from Avs fans on Twitter and its bizarre. Half live him, half think he's a bum. They were probably gonna lose him to the Kracken. I like it from the Devs standpoint as it's a definite upgrade on our 2nd d pairing. I like Maktsev but we have a ton of young fwds with upside. The 2nd rounder is the Isles 2nd. There is a 100% chance that the Kraken would have taken him. He likely would be their top pairing LD so the Avs wisely got something for him rather than lose him for nothing. I think that it's obvious that Butcher will be exposed and is more than likely going to be selected by Seattle. Yep Butcher and PK are sure to be exposed now. Now I think.the Devs target some vet scoring and grit at fwd. A Blake Coleman reunion wouldn't shock me.

That would be great at the right price/term.

I also wouldn't mind adding more veteran experience to the locker room. Zach Parise on a 1 year $1.5-2 million dollar deal would add much needed leadership. Also If the Devils lose Butcher in the expansion draft and Ryan Murray walks as expected then I wouldn't mind bringing in Ryan Suter on a 1-2 year deal. Draft Luke Hughes at 4 and let him develop for a year or two at Michigan. Suter could be the stopgap until Hughes is ready.

The Morning Skate
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In a perplexing move, the Dallas Stars came to an agreement with goaltender Ben Bishop to waive his No-Movement Clause with the intention of the Stars protecting Anton Khudobin in the upcoming expansion draft.

if he were to hit FA. So underrated.

Darren Dreger
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Things can change with a phone call, but sources say there really hasn’t been any movement lately in the Landeskog negotiations.

sign RFA Julien Gauthier to a 1 year deal, now eligible to be exposed.

but if he hits FA I think Lamoriello would move a lot of pieces around to try to accommodate adding Landeskog. Can't think of too many players who would potentially fit better next to Barzal and Andy Strickland had the NYI on the list of teams he'd be interested in.

Give Seattle a future first to take Ladd (and maybe another pick to take Komarov too).
Then trade 1 of Leddy or Eberle for whatever.

I would think that 10m+ saved gets them close to being able to fit him in without having to move Varlamov.

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but if he hits FA I think Lamoriello would move a lot of pieces around to try to accommodate adding Landeskog. Can't think of too many players who would potentially fit better next to Barzal and Andy Strickland had the NYI on the list of teams he'd be interested in. Give Seattle a future first to take Ladd (and maybe another pick to take Komarov too). Then trade 1 of Leddy or Eberle for whatever. I would think that 10m+ saved gets them close to being able to fit him in without having to move Varlamov.

Komarov has only 1 year left and he could play 4C if Koivula isn't ready and you let Cizikas go. Ladd and Eberle are the contracts they really need to get out from under.

hits FA too, and they have the space.

but they only have half their roster filled, and legitimate contributors unsigned (Makar for example - who is an RFA but still) and no goalies under contracts except Francouz who is mediocre and only under contract for next year.

Plus MacKinnon is a UFA after next year (2023) - that's a long way away but not that long when you imagine what hose numbers will look like.

so one can dream....

Someone like Detroit could probably absorb his contract pretty easily and wouldn't cost a ton since this is the last year at $3M (2nd or 3rd round pick). But I am not sure Lou and Barry want to move on from him. I think they see him as an ideal 13th forward to plug in up and down the lineup and get spot starts when injuries pop up.

My guess is they are probably trying to move Hickey out for his $2.5M much more strenuously than trying to move Komarov.

I think there is a very good chance Seattle takes Leddy (without a side deal) so moving Eberle as well could put them in a better spot to re-sign the RFAs and add a piece as needed.

Grubauer is a FA coming off Vez votes.
Makar is going to get a big deal.

Got to think those 2 could eat up close to half of their current space and then they still have ~10 roster spots to fill.

resigning Landeskog for more than 7m would make things real tight. And that's before the obvious massive extension with Mackinnon which is likely to be due pretty soon.

In comment 15306291 Eric on Li said:

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Grubauer is a FA coming off Vez votes. Makar is going to get a big deal. Got to think those 2 could eat up close to half of their current space and then they still have ~10 roster spots to fill. resigning Landeskog for more than 7m would make things real tight. And that's before the obvious massive extension with Mackinnon which is likely to be due pretty soon.

Agree, that's what I said above.

Makar is an RFA though, they do not have to give him a big deal and if someone submits an offer sheet they'd have to match it. They may give him a big deal, but also have the option of a bridge deal.

In comment 15306266 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15306262 Eric on Li said: Quote: but if he hits FA I think Lamoriello would move a lot of pieces around to try to accommodate adding Landeskog. Can't think of too many players who would potentially fit better next to Barzal and Andy Strickland had the NYI on the list of teams he'd be interested in. Give Seattle a future first to take Ladd (and maybe another pick to take Komarov too). Then trade 1 of Leddy or Eberle for whatever. I would think that 10m+ saved gets them close to being able to fit him in without having to move Varlamov. Komarov has only 1 year left and he could play 4C if Koivula isn't ready and you let Cizikas go. Ladd and Eberle are the contracts they really need to get out from under.

I'm pretty confident they will ship out Komarov to someone with a 2nd and 3rd (could be seattle, unless they really want to add Leddy or Bellows). If someone overpays Czikas i think they bring back Zajac for probably half of what Komarov makes.

Ladd I'm not as sure about but there's also always a chance they find a way to LTIR him. Even without shenanigans if he's proven anything it's that his next injury is never too far away. And I'm not sure how much motivation he will have to play in the AHL since most of his deal has already been paid out via signing bonus.

In comment 15306295 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15306291 Eric on Li said: Quote: Grubauer is a FA coming off Vez votes. Makar is going to get a big deal. Got to think those 2 could eat up close to half of their current space and then they still have ~10 roster spots to fill. resigning Landeskog for more than 7m would make things real tight. And that's before the obvious massive extension with Mackinnon which is likely to be due pretty soon. Agree, that's what I said above. Makar is an RFA though, they do not have to give him a big deal and if someone submits an offer sheet they'd have to match it. They may give him a big deal, but also have the option of a bridge deal.

if Gru gets 5-7m and Makar takes a bridge deal (which I suspect wouldn't be too far off that) that's half their space so it's tough even with the bridge. If they intend to a big extension for Makar then it seems very difficult to get Landeskog back.

At his end of season press conference Lou said Ladd was healthy. Unless he actually finds a way to injure himself in the offseason, I think he will continue to be a burden unless they can offload him with some picks.

There has to be a legit injury for LTIR and as of today, Ladd doesn't have one.

Rick Dhaliwal
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BREAKING

Alex Edler agent Mark Stowe : Alex will be hitting the free agent market.

Donnie and Dhali

CHEK TV

In comment 15306311 Mike from Ohio said:

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At his end of season press conference Lou said Ladd was healthy. Unless he actually finds a way to injure himself in the offseason, I think he will continue to be a burden unless they can offload him with some picks. There has to be a legit injury for LTIR and as of today, Ladd doesn't have one.

no question - hence the "his next injury is never far off". I'm not sure Lou will be enthusiastic about giving up a first to dump a contract that there's likely a decent probability gets buried on LTIR at some point over the next 2 years.

start with 10.5m free right now (factoring boychuk to ltir).
let's say resigning Beau + Pelech = 10m.

now let's make a few bigger assumptions.
let's say they attach a pick to dump Komarov. +3m.
lose Leddy either via expansion draft or trade. +5.5m.

They'd have 17 roster spots signed and $9m in cap room. Or 18 if they decide to replace Leddy with Hickey (and 8m in room).

So it would be tight but possible to add someone like Landeskog. But if they did get him they'd likely need to create additional room to resign Sorokin and fill out the roster (Greene, Zeke, Zajac, whoever) by trading Eberle. Or by biting the bullet and giving up a first to get rid of Ladd.

Very likely to move
C Evgeny Kuznetsov
C Jack Eichel
D Seth Jones
C Phillip Danault
F Vladimir Tarasenko
F Zach Parise
D Vince Dunn
F Johnny Gaudreau

Possibly moved
C Sam Reinhart
C Nolan Patrick
F Gabriel Landeskog
D Oliver Ekman-Larsson
F Patrick Laine

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start with 10.5m free right now (factoring boychuk to ltir). let's say resigning Beau + Pelech = 10m. now let's make a few bigger assumptions. let's say they attach a pick to dump Komarov. +3m. lose Leddy either via expansion draft or trade. +5.5m. They'd have 17 roster spots signed and $9m in cap room. Or 18 if they decide to replace Leddy with Hickey (and 8m in room). So it would be tight but possible to add someone like Landeskog. But if they did get him they'd likely need to create additional room to resign Sorokin and fill out the roster (Greene, Zeke, Zajac, whoever) by trading Eberle. Or by biting the bullet and giving up a first to get rid of Ladd.

You're right that to fit Landeskog they would need to trade Eberle, I'm just not sure how easy that will be. 3 years @ $5.5 AAV on the wrong side of 30 isn't ideal.

It sucks when every trade your imagining for your team doesn't involve getting anything back.

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Very likely to move C Evgeny Kuznetsov C Jack Eichel D Seth Jones C Phillip Danault F Vladimir Tarasenko F Zach Parise D Vince Dunn F Johnny Gaudreau Possibly moved C Sam Reinhart C Nolan Patrick F Gabriel Landeskog D Oliver Ekman-Larsson F Patrick Laine

lol, I really have no idea at this point on almost anyone.

Parise to NYI seems to be a favorite rumor
Seth Jones to the Flyers had steam for a while
Eichel to NYR was discussed, but also ARI
Tarasenko has a list of contenders apparently

I think Danault stays in MTL - he showed his value in the playoffs for the most part shutting down the Matthews line and the Stone line - as well as limiting Brayden Point (Point had two even strength points in 5 games) but who knows he may have priced himself off the Habs.

But Shea Weber changes everything in MTL.

Also, and more importantly for much of this projected movement I think the expansion draft is an important variable so we won't know much about FA movement until we see who is taken (creating holes) and creating cap room potentially.

Expansion draft lists are due tomorrow by 5pm so not sure we see many more trades, but if we do they'll be in the next 24 hours. Sunday the lists are made public.

I don't really expect any surprises during the expansion draft. Teams have gotten exceedingly good at manipulating rosters ahead of these.

I'd really like the NHL to do away with protection lists altogether. Or significantly limit them to guys with NMC and perhaps 2 or 3 more core pieces.

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I don't really expect any surprises during the expansion draft. Teams have gotten exceedingly good at manipulating rosters ahead of these. I'd really like the NHL to do away with protection lists altogether. Or significantly limit them to guys with NMC and perhaps 2 or 3 more core pieces.

No protection list? Being able to take a Connor McDavid from another team would be awful for the sport and the fans.

In comment 15306416 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 15306393 PwndPapi said: Quote: I don't really expect any surprises during the expansion draft. Teams have gotten exceedingly good at manipulating rosters ahead of these. I'd really like the NHL to do away with protection lists altogether. Or significantly limit them to guys with NMC and perhaps 2 or 3 more core pieces. No protection list? Being able to take a Connor McDavid from another team would be awful for the sport and the fans.

Perhaps I could have articulated my point better. I think a team should only able to protect 5-6 players max. If you have 6 players with NMC, then you cannot protect anyone else. Using the NYR as an example, we have Panarin, Kreider, Zibby and Trouba on NMC. In such a situation, they would be able to protect 2 more players or make arrangements with the expansion to not select a player by forking over draft picks. Perhaps make it 6 + 1 goalie.

The entire point is to establish a new franchise and it's in the NHL's best interest to ensure that new team can be reasonably competitive quickly. Parity is key.

Currently, every NHL team is allowed to protect 11 players, not including those with NMC. Practically their entire roster leaving the new team forced to select JAG 4th liners and albatross contracts.

I also think an expansion team should automatically select first overall and picks #2 on down are a lottery. There's no way Buffalo is more deserving of the top pick than a team that doesn't yet have a single player under contract.

Elliote Friedman speculates that the Islanders are working on locking Adam Pelech up long-term before turning attention to Cizikas. Bets Casey stays with Islanders.

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Currently, every NHL team is allowed to protect 11 players, not including those with NMC. Practically their entire roster leaving the new team forced to select JAG 4th liners and albatross contracts.

It seems almost you are combining protecting and exposing rules.

Greg Wyshynski and Emily Kaplan on EPSN do a great job explaining it (and I'm not saying it's right or wrong).

It's not you can protect n players "in addition to your NMC players" - the players with a NMC HAVE to be protected and count against your total so having a roster full of players with NMC (like MTL) hurts you. Players with a NTC can be exposed.

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The 30 teams in the expansion draft can protect seven forwards, three defensemen and one goalie; or they can protect eight skaters and one goaltender. All first-year and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft picks, are exempt from the expansion draft, and won't count toward a team's protection total. There are minimum requirements for players exposed in the expansion draft. There must be at least two forwards and one defenseman exposed who are under contract for the 2021-22 season who played at least 40 games last season or 70 games over the last two seasons; and one goalie exposed who is under contract for the 2021-22 season or will be a restricted free agent this offseason -- as long as that pending RFA goalie has received his qualifying offer this summer. One important thing to remember for these requirements: Players who have "potential career-ending injuries" that have missed more than 60 straight games -- or have a confirmed career-threatening injury -- can't be used to satisfy a team's player exposure requirement unless the NHL signs off on it.

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...How do no-trade and no-movement clauses play into this? Kaplan: If a player has a no-trade clause, he can be exposed. If a player has a no-movement clause, he must be protected -- unless he agrees to waive it for the purpose of being exposed. There's already an example of at least one player doing this: Calgary Flames veteran forward Milan Lucic. The 32-year-old, who has two years remaining on his seven-year contract, said he loves it in Calgary and wants to stay with the Flames, but agreed to waive his no-movement clause so that the team can prioritize protecting other players....

link - ( New Window )

In comment 15306424 PwndPapi said:

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In comment 15306416 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: In comment 15306393 PwndPapi said: Quote: I don't really expect any surprises during the expansion draft. Teams have gotten exceedingly good at manipulating rosters ahead of these. I'd really like the NHL to do away with protection lists altogether. Or significantly limit them to guys with NMC and perhaps 2 or 3 more core pieces. No protection list? Being able to take a Connor McDavid from another team would be awful for the sport and the fans. Perhaps I could have articulated my point better. I think a team should only able to protect 5-6 players max. If you have 6 players with NMC, then you cannot protect anyone else. Using the NYR as an example, we have Panarin, Kreider, Zibby and Trouba on NMC. In such a situation, they would be able to protect 2 more players or make arrangements with the expansion to not select a player by forking over draft picks. Perhaps make it 6 + 1 goalie. The entire point is to establish a new franchise and it's in the NHL's best interest to ensure that new team can be reasonably competitive quickly. Parity is key. Currently, every NHL team is allowed to protect 11 players, not including those with NMC. Practically their entire roster leaving the new team forced to select JAG 4th liners and albatross contracts. I also think an expansion team should automatically select first overall and picks #2 on down are a lottery. There's no way Buffalo is more deserving of the top pick than a team that doesn't yet have a single player under contract.

I am not sure that cutting down to 7 is any better because that basically means they can form a team of 4 2nd lines and 3 2nd D pairings. That is too overpowered.
Using the draft simulator at Capfriendly (with some modifications), there are some interesting younger players who might have some potential with added playing time that teams are going to have to make available.

Perhaps once all of the lists are in we can have everyone post their Kraken Mock Draft using the same rules of 20 contracts. I know my biggest issue is I am NEVER near the salary floor Seattle has to have if I take my top player from each time trying to meet the other rules. There are a number of interesting inexpensive goalies in particular that will make it possible for Seattle to absorb some bad contracts at forward.

At goalie, for example, St. Louis has to expose Ville Husso because otherwise they are losing Binnington. Husso only has a $750,000 cap hit and is a UFA after 2022 so he counts as someone under contract for next year. Washington has to expose either impending RFA Ilya Samsonov or RFA after 2022 Vitek Vanecek. Each of whom are currently making under $1,000,000 per year. Samsonov will get a raise, but I doubt it will be a dealbeaker. Washington is one team that I could see having to give a lot to Seattle to get them to take one of their D (Orlov, Kempney, or Jensen) or take on Oshie's contract

Thanks for the clarification. I still think that's too many. And still think an expansion team should draft #1 overall in their inaugural season. Have to give these teams something to build upon.

I don't agree that the current structure leaves expansion teams with a bunch of 4th line guys or albatross contracts. Just from the Islanders perspective, they will be exposing some decent pieces.

The Islanders will likely expose both Jordan Eberle and Nick Leddy, who are productive veterans each with contracts around $5.5M AAV. Eberle is a top six player and reliable 20 goal scorer (31 years old), and Leddy puts up 40 points a year from the blueline (30 years old). Both could be useful pieces on an expansion team looking to be competitive.

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Thanks for the clarification. I still think that's too many. And still think an expansion team should draft #1 overall in their inaugural season. Have to give these teams something to build upon.

I don't think expansion happens often enough for me to have a good opinion on how it should work.

I don't hate expansion like some curmudgeonly purists, but I also don't have any great ideas how I would change it.

I think the quick success of LVG should maybe give some evidence that it worked. and it's not like LVG was one and done, they're still good.

Looking back at the last several expansion drafts, going back to TB/SJ/FLA/ANA - those were all pretty horrendous. Common theme amongst expansion teams is taking a goalie first (sometimes two or three).

Arthur Staple
@StapeAthletic
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9m
Full trade:

#Isles send Nick Leddy to DET for a 2021 2nd (52nd overall) and F Richard Panik. DET retains half of Panik's $2.75-million salary. Panik has two years left on his deal.

enough to attach to make seattle take eberle now so we can have 20mill to spend?

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enough to attach to make seattle take eberle now so we can have 20mill to spend?

Depends on the other options available to them.

Eberle would be a good fit IMO on an expansion team- solid veteran, helps get them to the cap floor.

Arthur Staple
@StapeAthletic
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With about 20 hours to go until expansion protected lists are due, the #Isles currently have no eligible defensemen to leave unprotected -- each team must have at least one signed D who played 27 NHL games last season on the unprotected list.

So there's another move coming.

Hopefully the second round pick is enough to get Seattle to take Eberle. That gives them some significant cap room.

Would be really excited if all of this was being done with the idea that Landeskog is a viable get.

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enough to attach to make seattle take eberle now so we can have 20mill to spend?

If we add a 3rd to DETs second we might be able to get them to take Ladd. Would surely be enough for Hickey or Komorov.

Costa Rontzocos
@Rontzeeez
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The trade freeze is at 5pm ET tomorrow

In comment 15306594 Mike from Ohio said:

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Hopefully the second round pick is enough to get Seattle to take Eberle. That gives them some significant cap room. Would be really excited if all of this was being done with the idea that Landeskog is a viable get.

You were all over that rule. Great job I hadn't read that quirk anywhere else.

I'm a little surprised they were this aggressive to move Leddy, though the value seems fine. Does forebode that Lou has something planned that requires a healthy amount of cap.

that either Greene nor Coburn has re-signed with the Isles. I wonder if another trade that would include bringing back a disposable d-man is being discussed?

If you have time, use it. I’d guess a deal is in place with one of them that they can file at 4:59pm today to complete their list for Seattle if nothing else changes.

I think the Islanders did well in the Leddy trade. I don't know why DET did that trade.

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I think the Islanders did well in the Leddy trade. I don't know why DET did that trade.

Agree, that return is pretty good considering they were likely going to lose him next week for no compensation. I see the deal from Detroit’s side as well. They get an experienced d-man who they can eat minutes and Be effective on the power play. Leddy’s contract is also expiring this year so he can bring something back at the trade deadline as well.

In comment 15306778 BrettNYG10 said:

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I think the Islanders did well in the Leddy trade. I don't know why DET did that trade.

Detroit thinks he can get them more at trade deadline than the 2nd/Panik they traded. He also gives a veteran leader in D corps.

Why did they retain salary on Panik? Leddy is still a top four dman, but the Wings are still going to suck this year. They can use as many picks as they can get.

Leddy is a loss but the Islanders have breathing room on the cap now.

In comment 15306793 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15306778 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I think the Islanders did well in the Leddy trade. I don't know why DET did that trade. Detroit thinks he can get them more at trade deadline than the 2nd/Panik they traded. He also gives a veteran leader in D corps.

That's fair, the other thing I was thinking is picks in next year's draft might be better than this year because we will have a real scouting year. So even if they still just get a second it might be better for them.

In comment 15306794 BrettNYG10 said:

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Why did they retain salary on Panik? Leddy is still a top four dman, but the Wings are still going to suck this year. They can use as many picks as they can get. Leddy is a loss but the Islanders have breathing room on the cap now.

I think they retained salary because they could and the $1M or so got them a better player in return. Panik (if he would ever accept coaching) fits Islanders better than he does Detroit and he was blocking some younger players. I think other teams wanted one of the younger guys like Hirose or were not offering someone like Leddy.

Who is signed beyond this year. Before the trade, Panik was as well. I think Detroit was trying to get rid of him and get back a uselful player with an expiring contract.

My guess is they look at Leddy getting them back at least the draft pick they gave up at the deadline.

Trade/signing freeze is at 3pm EST today, so should see something by then from the Islanders.

move from NYI, they don't have any D that meet the criteria to expose for the expansion draft

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move from NYI, they don't have any D that meet the criteria to expose for the expansion draft

Coburn or Greene would be eligible if they sign a 1 year vet minimum deal. I could also see a team with excess eligible D like Boston or especially Los Angeles being interested in a forward (or in Los Angeles’s case Varlamov with how their goalies played)

In comment 15306816 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15306802 pjcas18 said: Quote: move from NYI, they don't have any D that meet the criteria to expose for the expansion draft Coburn or Greene would be eligible if they sign a 1 year vet minimum deal. I could also see a team with excess eligible D like Boston or especially Los Angeles being interested in a forward (or in Los Angeles’s case Varlamov with how their goalies played)

Exactly, but point is they need to make a move, whether it's a trade or signing, something has to be done in the next 4 hours.

In comment 15306819 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15306816 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 15306802 pjcas18 said: Quote: move from NYI, they don't have any D that meet the criteria to expose for the expansion draft Coburn or Greene would be eligible if they sign a 1 year vet minimum deal. I could also see a team with excess eligible D like Boston or especially Los Angeles being interested in a forward (or in Los Angeles’s case Varlamov with how their goalies played) Exactly, but point is they need to make a move, whether it's a trade or signing, something has to be done in the next 4 hours.

Okay. I took your post as meaning they had to make a trade

That either Greene or Coburn has not already agreed to a deal already. Lou is likely trying to see if there is anything else out there to do prior to submitting that contract at 2:59pm.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
· 5m
Hearing DAL and Miro Heiskanen closing in on long-term extension. 8 years, north of $8M

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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Memo DONE DEAL: Dallas Stars re-sign Miro Heiskanen to eight-year, $8.45M AAV contract extension. #GoStars

Domi is apparently going to be exposed by CBJ.

Someone should offer-sheet Makar.

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NHL News @PuckReportNHL · 2m Memo DONE DEAL: Dallas Stars re-sign Miro Heiskanen to eight-year, $8.45M AAV contract extension. #GoStars

Holy shit. Probably my favorite dman in the league. Makar is gonna get PAID

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Domi is apparently going to be exposed by CBJ. Someone should offer-sheet Makar.

Every year for the last 20 years writers seeking clicks write the evergreen "could player x be in danger of an offer sheet" and it never happens. The Aho sheet was a favor to Carolina, other than that gms don't piss off the fraternity.

Tactically I agree with you. If ever there was a situation (flat cap) and a worthy player Makar is it.

Diversify, I know - GMs just can't violate hockey culture since they all get fired and get hired by their friends. It's stupid.

I read an article about the Rangers offer sheeting Sakic in '97. The picks they were going to give up were Malhotra, Lundmark, Blackburn, a pick used to move up and get Brendl, and a pick to acquire Bure.

A team like the Wild would be picking in the 20s with Makar for the next few years.

Also, if you're a western GM offering $10-12 you can really screw COL. Big benefit.

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NHL News @PuckReportNHL · 2m Memo DONE DEAL: Dallas Stars re-sign Miro Heiskanen to eight-year, $8.45M AAV contract extension. #GoStars

There's the Fox standard

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In comment 15306877 pjcas18 said: Quote: NHL News @PuckReportNHL · 2m Memo DONE DEAL: Dallas Stars re-sign Miro Heiskanen to eight-year, $8.45M AAV contract extension. #GoStars There's the Fox standard

And McAvoy

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
· 17m
All signs point to the Seattle Kraken signing and selecting pending UFA goalie Chris Driedger from the Florida Panthers as part of the expansion draft process, sources say.
@TSNHockey @TheAthletic

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
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Brian Bartlett, agent for Cale Makar, says no news on a new contract but having “cordial conversations” with the Avs.

they are in a tough cap spot....

Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
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The Lightning are trying to attach draft picks to bad contracts to get the off the books. #NHL

Kevin Kurz
@KKurzNHL
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I’m told Sharks are getting close to acquiring another goalie. Sounds like it’s going to happen before the 12 noon PT deadline

probably details will trickle in after like most deadlines.

Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
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Told the Winnipeg Jets are trying to move forward Mason Appleton #nhljets

I thought...

Spector's Hockey
@SpectorsHockey
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Kurz now reporting the #SJSharks have acquired Adin Hill from the #Coyotes.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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ARI/SJ deal will be Adin Hill and a 7th for Josef Korenar and a 2nd. Both picks in 2022

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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Canucks have a deal coming @SatiarShah

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Tampa Bay Lightning
@TBLightning
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We have signed Fredrik Claesson to a one-year, two-way contract.

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Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
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The NHL's Expansion Draft trade/waiver freeze is now in effect through 1 p.m. ET on Thursday.

The #SeaKraken are the only team permitted to make roster moves during this period.

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unless it involves the Kraken not until Thursday.

was removed from many teams draft boards for some kind of revenge porn incident (I think he shared pictures online from a consensual sexual encounter). I wonder if a team takes a chance. Oh, poor taste by the CHL putting this out knowing the history. I guess.

Canadian Hockey League
@CHLHockey
· 4m
The 23rd ranked North American skater for the #NHLDraft, Logan Mailloux of the @LondonKnights, blends parts of Brent Burns and Darnell Nurse into his game.

#MeetTheFuture | @KubotaCanadaLtd

Matthew DeFranks
@MDeFranks
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Sounds like Dallas has something in the queue before the roster freeze.

love this for VAN depending what they gave up.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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Jason Dickinson from DAL to VAN

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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Jared McCann to TOR

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love this for VAN depending what they gave up. Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC · 1m Jason Dickinson from DAL to VAN

3rd round pick to DAL - love this for VAN.

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Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC · 1m Jared McCann to TOR

Return is Filip Hallander and a 7th

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In comment 15307018 pjcas18 said: Quote: Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC · 1m Jared McCann to TOR Return is Filip Hallander and a 7th

Sadly I like this for TOR. McCann replaces the grit they likely lose this off-season. McCann can do everything decently, not a star, but he can score, play d, play specials.

Shiiiiit

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Shiiiiit

For Myers and Patrick.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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Ellis to PHI for Philippe Myers and Nolan Patrick. Patrick is going to Vegas for Cody Glass twitter.com/frank_seravall…

wanted Cody Glass in the Pacioretty trade, but settled for Suzuki because Vegas wouldn't part with Glass.

I think it worked out fine, but I'm surprised they gave up Glass for Patrick.

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I think it worked out fine, but I'm surprised they gave up Glass for Patrick.

Two former high picks who have panned out and are oft-injured

did, but my guess is signed one of the veteran D like Greene

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In comment 15307032 pjcas18 said: Quote: I think it worked out fine, but I'm surprised they gave up Glass for Patrick. Two former high picks who have panned out and are oft-injured

*haven't

made out well in that trade.

Ellis is a beast, but giving up Patrick has to sting even if he hasn't panned out. Yet.

he's 22 years old.

New York Rangers
@NYRangers
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OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired forward Barclay Goodrow from Tampa Bay in exchange for a 7th-round pick in the 2022 NHL Draft and have acquired a 4th-round pick in the 2022 NHL Draft and defenseman Nick DeSimone from Vegas in exchange for Brett Howden.

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New York Rangers @NYRangers · 2m OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired forward Barclay Goodrow from Tampa Bay in exchange for a 7th-round pick in the 2022 NHL Draft and have acquired a 4th-round pick in the 2022 NHL Draft and defenseman Nick DeSimone from Vegas in exchange for Brett Howden.

I LOVE YOU, DRURY! BYE BYE HOWDEN! HELLO GOODROW!!!!

OH MY GOD, DRURY! YOU LOVELY MAN YOU.


Create the thread, PJ. I'm gonna go do backflips.

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New York Rangers @NYRangers · 2m OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired forward Barclay Goodrow from Tampa Bay in exchange for a 7th-round pick in the 2022 NHL Draft and have acquired a 4th-round pick in the 2022 NHL Draft and defenseman Nick DeSimone from Vegas in exchange for Brett Howden.

Championship.

is a UFA

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
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Of note with #NYR acquiring pending UFA Barclay Goodrow's negotiating rights: There's chatter that some teams are prepared to offer him a six-year deal if he hits the open market on July 28. twitter.com/NYRangers/stat…

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Oh, he's an UFA? Shit. Well, it's only a 7th rounder.

They have a window where they can negotiate with Goodrow before free agency. They need players like Goodrow and I would think Drury is confident he can work out a deal with him before free agency starts.

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I think they plan to sign him is all I can imagine. TBL couldn't and 7th round picks in the NHL are like NFL UDFA's - so not a bad gamble to get exclusive negotiating rights to Goodrow for 11 days.

but I have to believe he hits FA unless the NYR overwhelm him and I like him, he's one of those grit guys the Rangers were absolutely missing, but not sure he's someone I overwhelm.

I guess two shoulder surgeries will do it.

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
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Hearing #stlblues have exposed Vladimir Tarasenko in the Expansion Draft and are protecting Ivan Barbashev.

to zona??? what!
Link - ( New Window )

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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Islanders have dealt Andrew Ladd and picks to Arizona to take his contract per David Amber

“We’re not exposing anyone to the expansion draft at this time. Fuck you and best of luck.”

Yes!!!!

if this happens. like it way more than LVG. But you know they will do much worse. lol.


World Hockey Report
@worldhockeyrpt
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Seattle will quite likely be starting with Matt Beniers, Vladimir Tarasenko, Max Domi, Mark Giordano, Chris Driedger and Cam Talbot

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“We’re not exposing anyone to the expansion draft at this time. Fuck you and best of luck.”

Don't they still have to expose a D?

I don't think they can trade away that obligation, can they?

In comment 15307074 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15307067 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: “We’re not exposing anyone to the expansion draft at this time. Fuck you and best of luck.” Don't they still have to expose a D? I don't think they can trade away that obligation, can they?

No I’m sure they can’t trade that responsibility. Just no word on who they acquired/signed yet.

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Yes!!!!

And to clarify, this was tweeted by David Amber of Hockey Night in Canada and retweeted by Elliot Friedman. Nothing official yet.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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Picks included: 2021 2nd, 2022 2nd (conditional), 2023 3rd (conditional). Not sure on conditions yet.

Along with 2021 2nd, 2022 2nd (conditional) and 2023 3rd.

Frees up another $4.375M

The Islanders have room to sign Sorokin, Beau and Pelech, re-sign Cizikas, and potentially have several million left over to add Palmieri (most likely) or Landeskog (day dream and don’t spoil it).

pick NYI traded is #60 they got from the Avs - not sure if NYI had another 2nd or not.

In comment 15307064 pjcas18 said:

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I guess two shoulder surgeries will do it. Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli · 4m Hearing #stlblues have exposed Vladimir Tarasenko in the Expansion Draft and are protecting Ivan Barbashev.

Wow. I'm surprised. Only two years left on his deal - Seattle has to take him.

In comment 15307088 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 15307064 pjcas18 said: Quote: I guess two shoulder surgeries will do it. Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli · 4m Hearing #stlblues have exposed Vladimir Tarasenko in the Expansion Draft and are protecting Ivan Barbashev. Wow. I'm surprised. Only two years left on his deal - Seattle has to take him.

I agree.

1st-7th in 2022 and are only minus a third in 2023.

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“We’re not exposing anyone to the expansion draft at this time. Fuck you and best of luck.”

And the NHL can penalize Lou by plucking Barzal and putting him back in Seattle :P

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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No return for #Isles in Ladd contract dump, means that they have either re-signed Greene/Coburn or acquired another D for expansion exposure in a separate move made before 3pm

NHL News
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They can also solve this by exposing Scott Mayfield
4:45 PM · Jul 17, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

CapFriendly
@CapFriendly
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Conditions for the 2023 3rd rounder going to Arizona #Yotes in the Ladd trade: the 3rd round pick is transferred if Ladd plays in at least 1 game in 2022-23

They had to have re-signed either Greene or Coburn and it just hasn’t been announced yet.

Mayfield is dirt cheap and a solid player.

glad they didn't need to give up their 3rd first round pick in a row to get that contract off the books.

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Chris Johnston @reporterchris2m The NHL's Expansion Draft trade/waiver freeze is now in effect through 1 p.m. ET on Thursday. The #SeaKraken are the only team permitted to make roster moves during this period.

pj is it self-explanatory that any team that trades with the Kraken is exempt from the freeze?

In comment 15307125 ColHowPepper said:

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In comment 15307005 pjcas18 said: Quote: Chris Johnston @reporterchris2m The NHL's Expansion Draft trade/waiver freeze is now in effect through 1 p.m. ET on Thursday. The #SeaKraken are the only team permitted to make roster moves during this period. pj is it self-explanatory that any team that trades with the Kraken is exempt from the freeze?

I'm not sure how that works, you'd think so, right?

but I can see teams now using SEA as a 3rd party to broker trades since they're technically "frozen"

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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Deadline to submit protected lists has now passed. #SeaKraken

Dan Kingerski
@TheDanKingerski
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And just for fun, we’ve got a little scoop on the NHL schedule coming, too

Had re-signed Greene or Coburn, or even made a side deal with Seattle on who they would pick. I can’t believe they would lose Mayfield for nothing (unless exposing him is how they manipulate who Seattle takes without giving up draft picks?

At $1.5M for the next two years and only 28, he would seem like a hard one to pass up. That would be their entire second d-pair gone in one offseason.

Elliotte Friedman
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As expected, sounds like NYI re-signed Andy Greene to a one-year deal. $750K, plus $250K in bonuses.

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is throughout the playoffs. Maybe Leddy was hurt, but he wasn’t really great and helping us gain zone exits in the playoffs.

I'm very late getting back to this thread (first time back to Manhattan in 15 months last night for great Greek taverna food, not that anyone should give a s..t), but re. NYI vs TBL re Isles struggles getting out of their zone, yeah, maybe Leddy wasn't electric, but what I saw was a scheme issue. Isles insisted, shift after shift, period after period, game after game, trying to shovel the puck along the boards (mid- or deep defensive zone) as an outlet and mostly it just wasn't there, compared to TBL digging it out and making short lateral passes toward or above the circles where there was space to move out of the zone and transition to the attacking BL. Maybe Trotz felt limited by personnel, but jeez I just saw the same tactics failing game after game.

In comment 15307088 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 15307064 pjcas18 said: Quote: I guess two shoulder surgeries will do it. Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli · 4m Hearing #stlblues have exposed Vladimir Tarasenko in the Expansion Draft and are protecting Ivan Barbashev. Wow. I'm surprised. Only two years left on his deal - Seattle has to take him.

Seattle's first line on opening night could be Max Domi-Matt Teniers-Vlad Tarasenko


That ain't half bad

Blackwell, thereby leaving Gauthier and Rooney for the Kraken to take. It doesn't sound like Ron Francis will have any interest in Tony DeAngelo.

CHP, where were you hiding out during the pandemic?

Isles have approximately $18M in cap space counting Boychuk’s $6M in LTIR. That is in the ballpark of need for the RFAs, Cizikas and a FA LD to replace Leddy.

That may be the off-season if Seattle takes Bellows or Koivula, or it could get interesting if they take Eberle, freeing up another $5.5M.

like a lot of goalies available.

Matt Porter
@mattyports
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Jaro Halak’s agent, Allan Walsh, confirms that UFA netminder and Bruins are parting ways. Walsh says Halak is healthy and expects NHL interest come July 28.

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CHP, where were you hiding out during the pandemic?

Home, with outings up here mostly masked but if outdoors unmasked. Did a full season of HS soccer officiating (fall) and lax officiating (spring) having to mask up. Not fun.
Home is NE Westchester near CT border. Fun being back in Big A. Who knows when we shut down again??? ugh

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Isles have approximately $18M in cap space counting Boychuk’s $6M in LTIR. That is in the ballpark of need for the RFAs, Cizikas and a FA LD to replace Leddy.

Mike, who is the clown show suggesting Mayfield might be exposed? Did he not watch the SCP?

btw, the two Mikes (from OH/in NY) are they alter egos? Pretty good hockey savvy!

from Shock's thread this afternoon: Will Drury dealing a 7th for 'right to negotiate' with Goodrow be greeted with the same outrage and disdain as DG's 3rd to Jets? LOL

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was looking for some info on Goodrow and... Mike in St. Louis : 6:42 pm : link : reply found this on NHL Rumors from 3 days ago... Barclay Goodrow expected to be pursued aggressively by Boston Jimmy Murphy of Boston Hockey NOW: The Boston Bruins expect to go after Barclay Goodrow once free agency starts on July 28th. This has a history given that Boston was one of the teams in on Goodrow before the 2020 trade deadline. Ultimately, the San Jose Sharks forward was dealt to the Tampa Bay Lightning. Don Sweeney saw the impact of Goodrow and a source all but confirmed Boston’s intentions. “I would expect them to go hard after Goodrow again,” an NHL source, that has direct knowledge of the Goodrow trade discussions leading into the 2020 NHL Trade Deadline, told Boston Hockey Now over the weekend. “They knew then that Goodrow is the type of player you need in your middle six to make a real Cup run and he’s obviously proven that since he got to Tampa.” The expected salary range for Goodrow could be $4-4.5 million and there is no way Tampa Bay can afford that. That goes likely for Blake Coleman as well. Link - ( New Window )

In comment 15307181 ColHowPepper said:

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from Shock's thread this afternoon: Will Drury dealing a 7th for 'right to negotiate' with Goodrow be greeted with the same outrage and disdain as DG's 3rd to Jets? LOL Quote: was looking for some info on Goodrow and... Mike in St. Louis : 6:42 pm : link : reply found this on NHL Rumors from 3 days ago... Barclay Goodrow expected to be pursued aggressively by Boston Jimmy Murphy of Boston Hockey NOW: The Boston Bruins expect to go after Barclay Goodrow once free agency starts on July 28th. This has a history given that Boston was one of the teams in on Goodrow before the 2020 trade deadline. Ultimately, the San Jose Sharks forward was dealt to the Tampa Bay Lightning. Don Sweeney saw the impact of Goodrow and a source all but confirmed Boston’s intentions. “I would expect them to go hard after Goodrow again,” an NHL source, that has direct knowledge of the Goodrow trade discussions leading into the 2020 NHL Trade Deadline, told Boston Hockey Now over the weekend. “They knew then that Goodrow is the type of player you need in your middle six to make a real Cup run and he’s obviously proven that since he got to Tampa.” The expected salary range for Goodrow could be $4-4.5 million and there is no way Tampa Bay can afford that. That goes likely for Blake Coleman as well. Link - ( New Window )

lol, no, not even close, 7th round picks in the NHL are less valuable the old 12th round NFL picks.

I'd gamble a 7th for the rights to sign Goodrow and if it doesn't work out it just means the money wasn't right, but well worth the risk.

And NFL 3rd would be like trading a late 1st/early 2nd for that same chance and then no, I would not be happy if I were a NYR fan.

I wonder if this stays off now for the remainder of his contract.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
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Hearing that Carey Price has waived his no-move for purpose of exposure in the expansion draft so that the Habs could protect Jake Allen in the expansion draft. The thought is that Seattle wouldn’t want to pick up the rest of Price’s hefty contract. But I guess we will see.

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I wonder if this stays off now for the remainder of his contract.

No, the player has right to waive on a transaction by transaction basis. Price agreed to waive for this instance but the clause remains in his contract.

Just a fascination with the process and a Twitter account.

I just saw the news on Price but posted it in the wrong thread. I guess the Habs are hoping Francis looks at Price like Scott in Montreal does - not good enough for that kind of coin.

If I were Francis, I think I would love to build my franchise around someone like Price.

is reasonably confident Francis won't take Price, but a small part of me wonders if he does and if Weber retires what that does to the Habs.

they get incredibly younger and basically a ton of cap space for the foreseeable future.

granted their goalie is Jake Allen and they wouldn't have a captain, but both Weber and Price are the wrong side of 30.

I think with them (healthy) the Habs are better in 2022, but who knows if that will be the case. Especially with Weber.

the next week just got a lot more interesting because I agree, Carey Price as your franchise goalie on an expansion team is different than Carey Price as the Canadiens goalie and could make a lot of sense for the Kraken.

Plus, he's from Vancouver or somewhere in BC, so I wonder if he didn't just waive the NMC so the Habs can protect Allen, I wonder if he did it so he could possibly be selected by SEA.

If Francis is smart he wouldn't simply select Price he'd get some picks or players to do it. Like rights to Danault.

I'd be thrilled to get out from under that contract. Tremendous player, but having a goalie at the top of your salary structure in untenable.

In comment 15307243 Diversify yo bonds said:

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In comment 15307233 pjcas18 said: Quote: I wonder if this stays off now for the remainder of his contract. No, the player has right to waive on a transaction by transaction basis. Price agreed to waive for this instance but the clause remains in his contract.

thanks, I did not know this. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

+ several bonehead contract extensions for certain d-men and costly FA signings and discards.

Weber, what a strange development in these injuries/retirement questions. When he had poor games vs Bolts (and I mentioned this at times) it seemed to me less physical and more mental, as in flubbing connections with his partner behind Price's net and stray outlets. But it's entirely possible, when you are not physically 100% and part of your mind is honed in on pain and joints not functioning the way you want, that part of your mind is there and not concentrating on play.

In comment 15307269 Diversify yo bonds said:

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I'd be thrilled to get out from under that contract. Tremendous player, but having a goalie at the top of your salary structure in untenable.

I think it's ok if that goalie is Price from four years ago, so like 25 - 30 years old Price I think it's fine.

but from 33 - 38 those contracts like you say can be killers.

For that reason I doubt Francis take him, unless he figures it helps him close to the cap, and even not as at his best Price is still at worst solid, and a such a good character person.

but there are so many goalie options and almost all make better financial sense and not a huge talent drop.

Even hall of fame/vezina goalies have multiple bad years. It's tough to pay top of market and contend.

I always feel 1a/1b ride the hot hand is the way to go. Easier said than done.

I agree with you for the most part, but it's the prime vs non prime that scares me off more than the $$$.

I look at the Bruins and feel like Rask is responsible for that group not winning a cup since Thomas.

I look at EDM and TOR and feel like better goalies and they would have better playoff success.

Even COL to an extent.

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
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Hearing #LAKings have exposed goaltender Jonathan Quick in the Expansion Draft. #SeaKraken

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I agree with you for the most part, but it's the prime vs non prime that scares me off more than the $$$. I look at the Bruins and feel like Rask is responsible for that group not winning a cup since Thomas. I look at EDM and TOR and feel like better goalies and they would have better playoff success. Even COL to an extent.

If Seattle takes Price, and then grabs the best combination of good/cheap to back him up that can be a solid strategy. Have Price play 50 games or so to stay fresh for the playoffs and put him in the best position to carry them.

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I agree with you for the most part, but it's the prime vs non prime that scares me off more than the $$$. I look at the Bruins and feel like Rask is responsible for that group not winning a cup since Thomas.

This is to my point, having a viable secondary option when you know your guy doesn't have it. It should be expected that there will be periods of below average play regardless of how good your #1 is. Be flexible, team ahead of starters ego. My only requirement would be plus athleticism. Steady Eddie guys who rely on rebound control and angles don't win cups. Holy shit saves do.

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I look at EDM and TOR and feel like better goalies and they would have better playoff success. Even COL to an extent.

I'm pretty harsh on Edmonton's stars completely ignoring defense, as I ranted about on the playoff thread. You cannot win if your centers won't help the defenseman below the dots. Should they have a better goalie than late stage Mike Smith? Yes, but that team is surrendering zone time and high danger chances because the backcheck is a joke. Their third pair was too awful to use in a multi OT game. Goalie not the issue.

Re:TOR I believe Campbell played well enough to not not be the prime reason they lost.

Grubauer did not play well, too many questionable goals.

Mrs. Carey Price's instagram says Carey is going nowhere, so maybe they know something or have a trade to entice SEA NOT to take Price.

not sure how to interpret it, but we'll find out soon enough.

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If Seattle takes Price, and then grabs the best combination of good/cheap to back him up that can be a solid strategy. Have Price play 50 games or so to stay fresh for the playoffs and put him in the best position to carry them.

Agree. Given their blank slate cap situation, this is a solid path forward.

Per @jprutherford of @TheAthletic, the #NJDevils expressed interest and were willing to take on Vladimir Tarasenko’s $7.5 million salary-cap hit for the next two seasons, but Armstrong has not found a suitable return.
I guess they have assurances or are pretty confident Vlad won't be taken by Seattle. Otherwise why would they balk at the return if the Devs were willing to take on the contract?

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Per @jprutherford of @TheAthletic, the #NJDevils expressed interest and were willing to take on Vladimir Tarasenko’s $7.5 million salary-cap hit for the next two seasons, but Armstrong has not found a suitable return. I guess they have assurances or are pretty confident Vlad won't be taken by Seattle. Otherwise why would they balk at the return if the Devs were willing to take on the contract?

I read at least three teams were willing to take on Tarasenko's contract, including the Bruins, but Armstrong was not going to give him away to another team and then still have to expose someone else.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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38m
Boston Bruins have left Nick Ritchie unprotected in the #SeaKraken expansion draft, his agent confirms to @FlutoShinzawa
. #NHLBruins

CapFriendly
@CapFriendly
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11h
There are 5 players who've waived their No Move Clauses (NMC) for the Seattle Expansion Draft:

1. Milan Lucic
2. Jeff Skinner
3. Erik Johnson
4. Ben Bishop
5. Carey Price

There were only 2 players to waive their NMC in the Vegas Expansion:

1. Marc-André Fleury
2. Toby Enström

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CapFriendly @CapFriendly · 11h There are 5 players who've waived their No Move Clauses (NMC) for the Seattle Expansion Draft: 1. Milan Lucic 2. Jeff Skinner 3. Erik Johnson 4. Ben Bishop 5. Carey Price There were only 2 players to waive their NMC in the Vegas Expansion: 1. Marc-André Fleury 2. Toby Enström

Outside of Skinner, none are realistically targets of Seattle unless their team antes up for Seattle to take one. However, they know that they are helping their current team by waiving NMC. In Skinner’s case he really does need a change of scenery.

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I read at least three teams were willing to take on Tarasenko's contract, including the Bruins, but Armstrong was not going to give him away to another team and then still have to expose someone else.

Reported earlier that Bruins interested in retaining/signing Taylor Hall. Even though not much on score sheet, to me it looked like Hall still has his legs, put constant pressure on Isles in their defensive end. With this Tarasenko report, + report on Goodrow, Bruins/Sweeney clearly not standing pat.

Bruins have to capitalize on the last couple years of Bergeron's career (he's a UFA after this season, but I don't see him going anywhere - he'll maybe do what Chara did go year to year if they don't sign him to a 3-4 year deal). May not seem like it statistically, but he's a first ballot HOFer.

but is coming to the end.

I think the Bruins lose Krejci this year at the expense of the younger Hall and maybe trade deBrusk.

but big thing is their goalie is Swayman, and he's their only goalie under contract.

I like him (I mean I hate him because he's a Bruin, but I like him as a goalie), but he's 22 and not really well tested they will add a veteran goalie.

No word on the Rangers yet

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No word on the Rangers yet

Ugh, I am a huge Bailey fan and now Im officially nervous. Please take Eberle

I'd bet they take Koivula

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In comment 15307443 Anakim said: Quote: No word on the Rangers yet Ugh, I am a huge Bailey fan and now Im officially nervous. Please take Eberle

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris

Official #NYI protection list (7-3-1)

Protected: Barzal, Beauvillier, Clutterbuck, Lee, Martin, Nelson, Pageau, Mayfield, Pelech, Pulock, Varlamov.
Available: Bailey, Dal Colle, Eberle, Komarov, Panik, Greene.

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Jordan Eberle, Josh Bailey, Leo Komarov, Andy Greene, Sebastian Aho, Thomas Hickey, Michael Dal Colle, Kieffer Bellows, Otto Koivula

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
#NYR protection list: Buchnevich, Chytil, Kreider, Panarin, Rooney, Strome, Zibanejad, Hajek, Lindgren, Trouba, Georgiev.

Exposed: Blackwell, Gauthier, DeAngelo, Kinkaid.



I would've protected Gauthier over both Rooney and Blackwell. Blackwell over Rooney is even surprising.

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris

Official#NJDevils protections list

Protected: Bratt, Hischier, Kuokkanen, McLeod, Sharangovich, Wood, Zacha, Graves, Severson, Siegenthaler, Blackwood.
Available: Johnson, Butcher, Subban, Wedgewood.

take Drouin or Byron or Price. possibly Kulak.

IMO Odds are Byron, long shot Price.

Eric Engels
@EricEngels
Montreal Canadiens protected list:
Anderson
Armia
Evans
Gallagher
KK
Lehkonen
Toffoli
Chiarot
Edmundson
Petry
Allen

Eric Engels
@EricEngels
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26m
Replying to
@EricEngels
Left exposed:
Drouin, Byron, Weber, Price, Kulak, McNiven among others…

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In comment 15307445 KDubbs said: Quote: In comment 15307443 Anakim said: Quote: No word on the Rangers yet Ugh, I am a huge Bailey fan and now Im officially nervous. Please take Eberle Chris Johnston @reporterchris Official #NYI protection list (7-3-1) Protected: Barzal, Beauvillier, Clutterbuck, Lee, Martin, Nelson, Pageau, Mayfield, Pelech, Pulock, Varlamov. Available: Bailey, Dal Colle, Eberle, Komarov, Panik, Greene.

Not sure why you protect Clutterbuck over Bailey or Belllows

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Not sure why you protect Clutterbuck over Bailey or Belllows

Lou wants 5 mill off the books. Bellows is a dumb player who can't skate. One tool , shot.

which likely makes him more appealing to Seattle. They probably believe Bailey and Eberle are unlikely to get selected based on their term.

Also suggests they will focus on bringing Cizikas back if they protect his wingers.

like a much better pool than LVG had and this is tip of the iceberg...

Ryan S. Clark
@ryan_s_clark
·
26m
BREAKING: Carey Price, Vladimir Tarasenko, Gabriel Landeskog, Ryan Johansen, Mark Giordano, Jonathan Drouin, Yanni Gourde, Tyler Johnson, Jason Zucker, Jared McCann and Kaapo Kahkonen are among those players who have been exposed ahead of the expansion draft. #SeaKraken

but I'm taking Landeskog, Tarasenko, and Gourde without blinking.

He has a nice shot but has not shown much else. I think Trotz and Lou don’t see a bright future for him. I’d rather see Bellows go than Koivula who likely has a future role on this team on the fourth line.

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but I'm taking Landeskog, Tarasenko, and Gourde without blinking.

Same thing it does with Goodrow. If Seattle picks them, they'll have a small window where they can exclusively negotiate with them.

to obtain Gourde. At 29 still way better than anything team has at 3-C, 4-C, + with Howden gone

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In comment 15307468 pjcas18 said: Quote: but I'm taking Landeskog, Tarasenko, and Gourde without blinking. Same thing it does with Goodrow. If Seattle picks them, they'll have a small window where they can exclusively negotiate with them.

cant see not throwing a pile of cash and the 1st ever C at Landeskog after taking him 1st in draft

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to obtain Gourde. At 29 still way better than anything team has at 3-C, 4-C, + with Howden gone

Sounds like their 4C will be Rooney




And then there's this:


Andy Strickland
@andystrickland

Ryan Strome (protected by #NYR) drawing decent amount of trade interest. Ottawa among those teams. #goSENSgo

I expect Landeskog, Tarasenko and Gourde to be Kraken.

and like you said KDubbs, Landeskog probably captain.

unless they take Giordano - then he's captain-esque too.

teams are probably gambling Francis won't take all the high priced guys and hoping their high priced guy slips through

posts lists all 30 teams exposed/protected lists
link - ( New Window )

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In comment 15307459 Mike in NY said: Quote: Not sure why you protect Clutterbuck over Bailey or Belllows Lou wants 5 mill off the books. Bellows is a dumb player who can't skate. One tool , shot.

But to replace Eberle or Bailey as UFA you will use much of that cap room. Clutterbuck is insanely overpaid for his role. The Islanders are limited not from Bailey or Eberle, but having $8.5M committed to their 4th line.

#NYR protection list: Buchnevich, Chytil, Kreider, Panarin, Rooney, Strome, Zibanejad, Hajek, Lindgren, Trouba, Georgiev.

Exposed: Blackwell, Gauthier, DeAngelo, Kinkaid.
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In comment 15307439 pjcas18 said in his blackboard writing cartoon framehttps://twitter.com/i/status/1416768321291231246

In comment 15307487 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15307464 Diversify yo bonds said: Quote: In comment 15307459 Mike in NY said: Quote: Not sure why you protect Clutterbuck over Bailey or Belllows Lou wants 5 mill off the books. Bellows is a dumb player who can't skate. One tool , shot. But to replace Eberle or Bailey as UFA you will use much of that cap room. Clutterbuck is insanely overpaid for his role. The Islanders are limited not from Bailey or Eberle, but having $8.5M committed to their 4th line.

I don't want to lose either of them, but I get the thinking of exposing expensive declining guys with term.

Re: the 4th line I bitched about all their contracts at the time, said they wouldn't physically hold up. I was wrong. The Islanders success the last 3 years has been in large part to their bottom 6 consistently winning shifts against top lines. They make a huge impact in 7 game series, few team have that physicality and it affects defenseman noticeably. The cliff is coming though.

In comment 15307491 Diversify yo bonds said:

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In comment 15307487 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 15307464 Diversify yo bonds said: Quote: In comment 15307459 Mike in NY said: Quote: Not sure why you protect Clutterbuck over Bailey or Belllows Lou wants 5 mill off the books. Bellows is a dumb player who can't skate. One tool , shot. But to replace Eberle or Bailey as UFA you will use much of that cap room. Clutterbuck is insanely overpaid for his role. The Islanders are limited not from Bailey or Eberle, but having $8.5M committed to their 4th line. I don't want to lose either of them, but I get the thinking of exposing expensive declining guys with term. Re: the 4th line I bitched about all their contracts at the time, said they wouldn't physically hold up. I was wrong. The Islanders success the last 3 years has been in large part to their bottom 6 consistently winning shifts against top lines. They make a huge impact in 7 game series, few team have that physicality and it affects defenseman noticeably. The cliff is coming though.

I think protecting Cal and Martin is a sign that Casey is coming back prob as soon as the roster freeze is over

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In comment 15307439 pjcas18 said in his blackboard writing cartoon framehttps://twitter.com/i/status/1416768321291231246

lol

Everybody wants bottom 6 bangers for their playoff run. Probably increased the odds of Sea taking them.

make that gamble....

[apart] Not too many smarter hockey minds than LL

In comment 15307491 Diversify yo bonds said:

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In comment 15307487 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 15307464 Diversify yo bonds said: Quote: In comment 15307459 Mike in NY said: Quote: Not sure why you protect Clutterbuck over Bailey or Belllows Lou wants 5 mill off the books. Bellows is a dumb player who can't skate. One tool , shot. But to replace Eberle or Bailey as UFA you will use much of that cap room. Clutterbuck is insanely overpaid for his role. The Islanders are limited not from Bailey or Eberle, but having $8.5M committed to their 4th line. I don't want to lose either of them, but I get the thinking of exposing expensive declining guys with term. Re: the 4th line I bitched about all their contracts at the time, said they wouldn't physically hold up. I was wrong. The Islanders success the last 3 years has been in large part to their bottom 6 consistently winning shifts against top lines. They make a huge impact in 7 game series, few team have that physicality and it affects defenseman noticeably. The cliff is coming though.

Our success is because of our third line consistently playing in the offensive zone and getting pucks on net, not our fourth line. Our fourth line has lost us more than they have won with their complete inability to sustain offensive pressure or get shots on net. This is exacerbated when Komarov and Zajac completely suck the life out of whatever line they play on. You can't win against the heavily padded Vasilievsky if you are getting 20 shots per game or less.

In comment 15307499 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15307491 Diversify yo bonds said: Quote: In comment 15307487 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 15307464 Diversify yo bonds said: Quote: In comment 15307459 Mike in NY said: Quote: Not sure why you protect Clutterbuck over Bailey or Belllows Lou wants 5 mill off the books. Bellows is a dumb player who can't skate. One tool , shot. But to replace Eberle or Bailey as UFA you will use much of that cap room. Clutterbuck is insanely overpaid for his role. The Islanders are limited not from Bailey or Eberle, but having $8.5M committed to their 4th line. I don't want to lose either of them, but I get the thinking of exposing expensive declining guys with term. Re: the 4th line I bitched about all their contracts at the time, said they wouldn't physically hold up. I was wrong. The Islanders success the last 3 years has been in large part to their bottom 6 consistently winning shifts against top lines. They make a huge impact in 7 game series, few team have that physicality and it affects defenseman noticeably. The cliff is coming though. Our success is because of our third line consistently playing in the offensive zone and getting pucks on net, not our fourth line. Our fourth line has lost us more than they have won with their complete inability to sustain offensive pressure or get shots on net. This is exacerbated when Komarov and Zajac completely suck the life out of whatever line they play on. You can't win against the heavily padded Vasilievsky if you are getting 20 shots per game or less.

Totally.

Alex Moretto
@alexjmoretto
Most-obvious choices for Seattle, IMO:

Giordano (CGY)
Domi (CBJ)
Stecher (DET)
Driedger (FLA)
Jarnkrok (NSH)
Bailey (NYI)
Hagg (PHI)
Pettersson (PIT)
Donato (SJ)
Gourde (TB)
McCann (TOR)

It doesn’t look it, but according to CapFriendly, when I built this it met salary minimum
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but I'm taking Landeskog, Tarasenko, and Gourde without blinking.

Absolutely, and also Driedger and Domi.

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In comment 15307468 pjcas18 said: Quote: but I'm taking Landeskog, Tarasenko, and Gourde without blinking. Absolutely, and also Driedger and Domi.

yep, not sure why I don't remember vegas that well, it was just a few years ago, but it seems like a lot of better options for SEA. Maybe the flat cap, maybe teams looking to unload high $$ contracts or feel like SEA won't take them b/c of the high dollars, but SEA *can* have a good team.

The best players on LVG were D that got traded to them like Shea Theodore and their goalie Marc Andre Fleury.

tarasenko has asked to be traded and put his list in. now the isles apparently asked for medicals and were in discussions. since obviously no trade happened and tarasenko was left unprotected could a trade be made where the isles give seattle say eberle, bellows and a 2nd rd pick to select tarasenko and trade him here? or is that not allowed to be discussed?

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tarasenko has asked to be traded and put his list in. now the isles apparently asked for medicals and were in discussions. since obviously no trade happened and tarasenko was left unprotected could a trade be made where the isles give seattle say eberle, bellows and a 2nd rd pick to select tarasenko and trade him here? or is that not allowed to be discussed?

I think that's allowed, technically SEA would have to then select Tarasenko and trade him so it couldn't officially happen until Wednesday, but those are the types of deals I expect to be made between now and then.

LVG did a lot of that.

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tarasenko has asked to be traded and put his list in. now the isles apparently asked for medicals and were in discussions. since obviously no trade happened and tarasenko was left unprotected could a trade be made where the isles give seattle say eberle, bellows and a 2nd rd pick to select tarasenko and trade him here? or is that not allowed to be discussed?

Yes, as long as Seattle is one half of the trade it is OK. Your scenario would have to wait until the expansion draft when he is Kraken property. I'm sure Francis is talking to everybody.

I want no part of Tarasenko

on Tarasenko for two years @ 7.5M if he passes medicals.

silky smooth.

but with three shoulder surgeries I'd need to be really sure.

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but with three shoulder surgeries I'd need to be really sure.

How many thrice repaired shoulder success stories are there? What are the odds of it holding up during a physical playoff run?
Fantasy land.

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In comment 15307644 pjcas18 said: Quote: but with three shoulder surgeries I'd need to be really sure. How many thrice repaired shoulder success stories are there? What are the odds of it holding up during a physical playoff run? Fantasy land.

It depends what the injury was/is.

Tarasenko has expressed dissatisfaction with the way the Blues and their medical staff handled the injury and his rehab, so like I said - if the medicals check out.

If you're SEA though the risk is much less. it's just $$$. Anyone else you'd need to pony up assets.

They'll be a lot less invested in the return than St. Louis.

now Price and Weber out for significant portions of 2022 (and Weber maybe his career).

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
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1m
Breaking: As #SeaKraken contemplate options, sources say Carey Price's health has clouded the selection process. It's too soon to say for certain, but he may miss significant time next season with a hip injury.

Full details on @DFOHockey
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Andy Strickland
@andystrickland
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49m
Seattle likely to pluck Dman Nikita Zadorov from #Blackhawks. Chicago was unsuccessful in moving him prior to yesterday’s deadline. #seakraken

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now Price and Weber out for significant portions of 2022 (and Weber maybe his career). Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli · 1m Breaking: As #SeaKraken contemplate options, sources say Carey Price's health has clouded the selection process. It's too soon to say for certain, but he may miss significant time next season with a hip injury. Full details on @DFOHockey :

It's going to be funny to see the people shitting on MTL all playoffs act as if they were right if the Canadiens miss the playoffs next year without Price and Weber.

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Andy Strickland @andystrickland · 49m Seattle likely to pluck Dman Nikita Zadorov from #Blackhawks. Chicago was unsuccessful in moving him prior to yesterday’s deadline. #seakraken

I get why gms keep giving him chances. Rare size and physicality, he's nasty and scares people. Brutal defender. Among worst in league allowing zone entries and scoring chances. 8th worst in zone exits.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
· 48m
Told that Carey Price is scheduled to see a doc in New York this week regarding a knee issue which could potentially lead to surgery. The hope is that it’s not too serious.
Show this thread

I doubt it.

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
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4h
This story continues to evolve and percolate. I'm told as #SeaKraken continue to investigate Price's injuries, ownership has given hockey ops the full green light to select Price if Francis sees fit - health concerns and all. There is zero doubt they're considering it.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
· 35m
As we await what SEA decides with Carey Price, word is that the Kraken are closing in on FLA’s Chris Driedger at 3x$3.5M. I dont believe that precludes them from selecting Price, but one goalie appears locked-in.

J
@Account4hockey
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1h
Elliotte Friedman on SN960: thinks NYI want to keep Palmieri, price for SEA not to take Giordano is 1st and 3rd round pick, price for SEA not to take Jake Allen was 2nd and a prospect. COL and Grubauer aren't close. Landeskog feels COL didn't get serious fast enough.

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J @Account4hockey · 1h Elliotte Friedman on SN960: thinks NYI want to keep Palmieri, price for SEA not to take Giordano is 1st and 3rd round pick, price for SEA not to take Jake Allen was 2nd and a prospect. COL and Grubauer aren't close. Landeskog feels COL didn't get serious fast enough.

At that price I think Seattle would jump at not taking Giordano and his contract.

Giordano is 37 years old, 38 before the season.

So I seriously doubt CAL is that interested in SEA not taking him.

it was the other way around - not SEA would jump at not taking him, but it was their offer - that is SEA telling CAL what it would cost not to take him.

I seriously doubt CAL bites on that offer.

HabsLinks
@HabsLinks
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13m
Elliotte Friedman on @Sportsnet960
earlier today: “I think Montreal was asked for a 2nd round pick and a prospect not to have Allen taken. I don’t think Bergevin wanted to do that. He did try to trade him, but I don’t think his heart was really in it.”

HabsLinks
@HabsLinks
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13m
Friedman says Seattle was surprised that Price was left unprotected. “They knew it was possible but they just didn’t believe it was really going to happen.”

HabsLinks
@HabsLinks
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13m
More: “I know (Seattle is) considering it. They’re trying to figure out everything they can about Price’s medical situation. Are they going to do it? I’m not as convinced about that. But they’re looking at it and saying there are lots of on-ice and off-ice reasons to do this.”

There's no way Seattle takes him imo, but there's enough plausible rationale to sell stories with.

Ditto Landeskog. I'd be truly shocked if he left Colorado. A guy with unassailable character is gonna bail the most exciting team in the league? The coin flip (with Boston) best line in the league? In a community where he's built 10 year relationships and started a family? No way, this is posturing.

kinda fun for the kid and the franchise

but I didn't realize he was quite that old. I guess he was a bit of a late bloomer?

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kinda fun for the kid and the franchise

don't forget FLA has Bobrovsky the next 5 years for 10M per.

WTF were they thinking? So, even if Knight dominates, Bobrovsky will be given every chance to win that job IMO.

I figured FLA would be the team offering SEA two 1sts to take Bob off their hands.

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but I didn't realize he was quite that old. I guess he was a bit of a late bloomer?

definitely. 1st time Norris finalist at 35.

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In comment 15308359 ColHowPepper said: Quote: kinda fun for the kid and the franchise don't forget FLA has Bobrovsky the next 5 years for 10M per. WTF were they thinking? So, even if Knight dominates, Bobrovsky will be given every chance to win that job IMO. I figured FLA would be the team offering SEA two 1sts to take Bob off their hands.

That’s why I could not understand the selection after they had signed Bob to that contract. Even if Knight was as great as he was hyped to be, you have him behind a contract you can’t move because most teams pay less for their entire goalie tandem than the Panthers are paying Bob.

That makes it real tricky when trying to make these choices. Sure there's the high profile guys like Price and Tarasenko but also I'm sure there are other ones as well.

In comment 15308477 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15308475 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 15308359 ColHowPepper said: Quote: kinda fun for the kid and the franchise don't forget FLA has Bobrovsky the next 5 years for 10M per. WTF were they thinking? So, even if Knight dominates, Bobrovsky will be given every chance to win that job IMO. I figured FLA would be the team offering SEA two 1sts to take Bob off their hands. That’s why I could not understand the selection after they had signed Bob to that contract. Even if Knight was as great as he was hyped to be, you have him behind a contract you can’t move because most teams pay less for their entire goalie tandem than the Panthers are paying Bob.

Other way around. They drafted Knight before signing Bob.

But basically same thing I wondered. You don't take a goalie at #13 in the draft and then sign a veteran (30 years old) for 7 years 10M per year a week after.

It's basically punting the pick or creating a worse situation where you have a $10M per year player on the bench.

Fire-able IMO. And Tallon was fired, but not for this.

Phylippe Bernard
@PhylBernard
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9m
According to @JCossette77
, #SeaKraken has signed Danault to a 8 year - 5.8M AAV contract. #GoHabsGo

Jeez

of that Danault signing so it could be BS, but wow if true.

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of that Danault signing so it could be BS, but wow if true.

It is BS. Renaud debunked it.
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I think this makes sense.

Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
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5m
Rumors: As reported by @andystrickland
there is possibly a 3 way trade between the #SeaKraken and #StlBlues for Vladimir Tarasenko. I’d expect that other team to be the #AnytimeAnywhere (flyers) but thats my speculation.

IMO. Not sure what astronomical is, but he's a guy I'd pay for.

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
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2h
The Calgary Flames have continued to take calls on Matthew Tkachuk, but multiple sources have told me the asking price is astronomical.

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IMO. Not sure what astronomical is, but he's a guy I'd pay for. David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod · 2h The Calgary Flames have continued to take calls on Matthew Tkachuk, but multiple sources have told me the asking price is astronomical.

Do you think Tkachuk fetches more than Eichel, hypothetically?

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In comment 15308896 pjcas18 said: Quote: IMO. Not sure what astronomical is, but he's a guy I'd pay for. David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod · 2h The Calgary Flames have continued to take calls on Matthew Tkachuk, but multiple sources have told me the asking price is astronomical. Do you think Tkachuk fetches more than Eichel, hypothetically?

Not sure, I'm bad at this, but if Eichel were healthy no, he'd get more, but I'd pay at least similar for the simple fact no injury concerns with Tkachuk.

He is healthy and he's a physical beast who can put the puck in the net. He plays edgy and backs up his play, but plays hard edgy, not Tom Wilson edgy (maybe some people think it's Tom Wilson edgy - I hate when the Habs play the Flames - he's such an agitator).

23 years old, already a star IMO.

Only negative is he's a LW, not a C so not sure how/if that tips the compensation toward Eichel.

If healthy and not demanding a trade, Eichel fetches more. I think if Tkachuk is traded this off-season, Tkachuk commands more.

In comment 15308957 BrettNYG10 said:

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If healthy and not demanding a trade, Eichel fetches more. I think if Tkachuk is traded this off-season, Tkachuk commands more.

Probably true. I'm not clear what CAL is doing. I read they're shopping Gaudreau. Love to see what his asking price is.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
Reminder on expansion draft today:
- Kraken have until 10 a.m. ET to submit their expansion draft picks to NHL Central Registry and the NHLPA.
- Also a 10 a.m. ET deadline for Seattle to submit any SPCs for UFAs/RFAs that are signed by the Kraken
- 8 p.m. ET roster unveiling

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
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Trade freeze for the other 31 teams lifted at 1 p.m. ET Thursday

Andy Strickland
@andystrickland
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I still wouldn't officially rule out a Mike Hoffman return to #stlblues. 3-4 years in the $5-$5.5 range would likely get it done. Talks continue...

In comment 15308965 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15308957 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: If healthy and not demanding a trade, Eichel fetches more. I think if Tkachuk is traded this off-season, Tkachuk commands more. Probably true. I'm not clear what CAL is doing. I read they're shopping Gaudreau. Love to see what his asking price is.

Yeah, I think they seem ready to tear it down. But Tkachuk is a weird one unless they already think they can't afford him.

4/4

So they can sign any UFA they want right now huh?

Kraken are also close to agreeing to terms with Dallas Defensemen Jamie Oleksiak.

Larsson and Oleksiak would represent the Kraken selections from Edmonton and Dallas at this point.

In comment 15309343 Stu11 said:

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So they can sign any UFA they want right now huh?

Yes, but no more than 10, and no more than 1 from any given team. Beyond that they have to wait until 7/28.

In comment 15309349 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:

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Kraken are also close to agreeing to terms with Dallas Defensemen Jamie Oleksiak. Larsson and Oleksiak would represent the Kraken selections from Edmonton and Dallas at this point.

Great start for Seattle along with Driedger.

like the Kraken have a side deal lined up with the Panthers for LW/RW Frank Vatrano.

Price was not selected.

To be the isles selection

thanks for the 1 playoff series vs the pens and the huge backhander in game 6 but way too soft and streaky. now lets see who replaces him

now.

Please let me know if you'd like me to stop posting these going forward, but so far it seems:

D: Giordano (Calgary) ; Larsson (EDM) ; Oleksiak (DAL) ; Cale Fleury (MTL) ; Vince Dunn (STL)

F: Jared McCann (Tor) ; Kole Lind (VAN) ; Jordan Eberle (NYI) ; Brandon Tanev (Pitt) ; Mason Appleton (WPG) ; Carsen Twarynski (PHI) ; Jonas Donskoi (COL) ; Calle Jarnkrok (NSH)

via David Pagnotta

G: Chris Dreidger (FLA) ; Vitek Vanececk (WAS) ; Joey Daccord (OTT)

Haha

taking Fleury from MTL he was one player I was hoping they wouldn't take.

young, decent size, physical, and cheap.

Was hoping they took Byron.

"official" until 5pm I believe, so I don't think we'd hear about any trades/agreements Seattle had lined up until after. Definitely potential for there to be a side deal with the Isles and Eberle over Bailey, but who knows at this time.

Early results seem to show that Seattle has been passing on the expensive players that were exposed (Johansen, Duchene, Voracek, Tarasenko, Price). Very cheap team as of now.

could be a smart looking forward move to have and utilize a ton of cap space in a flat cap environment. Some teams still to go; Anaheim, NYR, Detroit, TBL (should be Gourde), Buffalo, Chicago.

from the Bruins

from CAR

No shocker. Pretty much a no brainer. It was between him and McLeod for the Devs to protect and whomever they left exposed was going to be taken.

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D Gavin Bayreuther (CBJ)
D Kurtis MacDermid (LAK)
D Jeremy Lauzon (Bos)
D Carson Soucy (MIN)
D Morgan Geekie (CAR)

F Alex True (SJS)
F Tyler Pitlick (ARZ)
F Nathan Bastian (NJD)

from NYR

In comment 15309486 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:

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D Gavin Bayreuther (CBJ) D Kurtis MacDermid (LAK) D Jeremy Lauzon (Bos) D Carson Soucy (MIN) D Morgan Geekie (CAR) F Alex True (SJS) F Tyler Pitlick (ARZ) F Nathan Bastian (NJD)

I am surprised True over Donato if you are going RFA from SJS

Wyshynski, with about 26/30 picks leaked, SEA has over $40M in cap space.

Obviously with what's been leaked, scoring lines are clearly lacking. I wonder if they'll make a strong push at Landeskog.

Donskoi from COL and sign Landeskog?

Ouch. I didn't realize that - I thought it was one or the other.

I guess I'm not out of the woods yet on Danault then.

In comment 15309495 pjcas18 said:

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Donskoi from COL and sign Landeskog? Ouch. I didn't realize that - I thought it was one or the other. I guess I'm not out of the woods yet on Danault then.

With Landeskog, Danault, etc., if they don't draft the player then they have to compete with every other team after FA starts as opposed to having the earlier negotiation window. That being said, they can plant the seeds of what they are willing to offer during the pre-Expansion Draft period.

drafting an upcoming UFA just gave them the few days of exclusive negotiating rights. I'm assuming Landeskog doesn't come to an agreement with COL, and becomes a UFA free to sign anywhere when everything gets lifted.

I could be mistaken.

In comment 15309498 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15309495 pjcas18 said: Quote: Donskoi from COL and sign Landeskog? Ouch. I didn't realize that - I thought it was one or the other. I guess I'm not out of the woods yet on Danault then. With Landeskog, Danault, etc., if they don't draft the player then they have to compete with every other team after FA starts as opposed to having the earlier negotiation window. That being said, they can plant the seeds of what they are willing to offer during the pre-Expansion Draft period.

I see, yeah that's what I assumed, the way the other post was written I thought it was saying they could do both before others teams could negotiate - which would be stupid by the player I guess since hitting FA helps them.

I'm sure it was just me who read it that way - since it doesn't make much sense.

D Will Borgen (BUFF)

F John Quenneville (CHI)

Looks like the last team remaining is Detroit.

Ian Furness
@IanFurnessSea
Word among multiple NHL “people” I have heard from is simple… theme of the expansion draft has to be “Side Deals”. A LOT of additional compensation coming #seaKraken way.

In comment 15309652 pjcas18 said:

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Ian Furness @IanFurnessSea Word among multiple NHL “people” I have heard from is simple… theme of the expansion draft has to be “Side Deals”. A LOT of additional compensation coming #seaKraken way.

I hope it does not break up the Fleury-Fleury D pairing

Dvorak. Not quite Danault defensiveky, but a better scorer IMO and improving on the dots.

John Gambadoro
@Gambo987
Have heard several teams showing interest in trading for Coyotes Center Christian Dvorak - Calgary, Montreal, Ottawa, Vegas and Pittsburgh.

Has there ever been a player that Vegas is not in on?

In comment 15309549 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:

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F John Quenneville (CHI) Looks like the last team remaining is Detroit.

Haven't seen TBL pick (Gourde) taken?

pick is one I haven't seen as an official leak just yet, if that makes sense. Just that Seattle had zeroed in on him.

Detroit is the last and only team to not have their pick come out yet. Interesting with how early all of the others got leaked.

this was the last update I read.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
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Two notes:
1) The Kraken and Lightning have not completed a trade so far. Appears Seattle will simply take a player off TB. Doesn't mean a trade can't come later this summer.
2) The Kraken at this minute haven't submitted their expansion draft picks. Using all the time allowed.

In comment 15309728 pjcas18 said:

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this was the last update I read. Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun · 7h Two notes: 1) The Kraken and Lightning have not completed a trade so far. Appears Seattle will simply take a player off TB. Doesn't mean a trade can't come later this summer. 2) The Kraken at this minute haven't submitted their expansion draft picks. Using all the time allowed.

I thought all the picks were due 10am EST this morning?

In comment 15309730 PwndPapi said:

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In comment 15309728 pjcas18 said: Quote: this was the last update I read. Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun · 7h Two notes: 1) The Kraken and Lightning have not completed a trade so far. Appears Seattle will simply take a player off TB. Doesn't mean a trade can't come later this summer. 2) The Kraken at this minute haven't submitted their expansion draft picks. Using all the time allowed. I thought all the picks were due 10am EST this morning?

they were, this was from around 9am, I haven't seen any update about TBL and I think the other picks have all leaked.

Andy Strickland
@andystrickland
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Dman Ryan Suter will like to choose his destination no later than Monday, prior to the start of free agency.

to a stream?

In comment 15309799 JayBinQueens said:

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to a stream?

If anyone needs it
Link - ( New Window )

The Vegas one was much better.

In comment 15309814 BrettNYG10 said:

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The Vegas one was much better.

Yep.

Loved watching the two guys on ESPN claim fleury from MTL played diff positions. One said F, the other said D

this is funny though:

Atlanta Thrashers
@NotThrashers
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The best player we could get in the 1999 Expansion Draft was Yannick Tremblay. The Seattle Kraken passed on Carey Price and Vladimir Tarasenko.

This is a disaster. Haha

jackass

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jackass

I feel like Chris Fowler doesn't know anything about the NHL

'nuff said (:

In comment 15309831 Anakim said:

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In comment 15309830 JayBinQueens said: Quote: jackass I feel like Chris Fowler doesn't know anything about the NHL

He seems to not care at all lol

looked fuckin thrilled.

In comment 15309839 Bricktop said:

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looked fuckin thrilled.

The comment from Fowler was hysterical. Is that the look you had when you found out the Mracken drafted you (paraphrasing) lmao

got some big ass tittays!

totally out of his element is completely cringeworthy. Dude is terrible.

would be better if they just revealed the whole roster and had analysts and experts talk about the selections and sure, incorporate Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Marshawn Lynch, Cammi Granato, but just make those breaks in the discussion.

the side deals are really all any fans want to hear about now.

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totally out of his element is completely cringeworthy. Dude is terrible.

Anahem Mighty Ducks WTF year is this?!

To players drafted that don’t make the kracken. Do they just become free agents? They have like 11 defensemen

In comment 15309855 Mark from Jersey said:

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To players drafted that don’t make the kracken. Do they just become free agents? They have like 11 defensemen

They can send them down to their AHL affiliate, just like the other teams, I think.

He looks like he's gonna collapse.

In comment 15309855 Mark from Jersey said:

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To players drafted that don’t make the kracken. Do they just become free agents? They have like 11 defensemen

They are sharing an AHL team this year and there will also be trades, injuries, etc.

Conor Ryan
@ConorRyan_93
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Seattle about to pay Blake Coleman $6 million a year on July 28

was Goodrow's linemate in Tampa

were there any expansion draft related transactions? and they just haven't been announced yet?

Matt Larkin
@THNMattLarkin
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2m
So I just asked NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly for clarification on Seattle's trade privileges. He said:

- Expansion-draft related transactions had to be submitted before deadline this morning

- Follow-up transactions can't be announced until 1:00 pm tomorrow

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
· 8m
Any trades Seattle may have in the hopper will be finalized and announced after the trade freeze is lifted at 1 pm ET Thursday. And I suspect there will be a few over the coming days.
@TSNHockey @TheAthletic

long for TBL pick to leak:

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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INJURY UPDATE: Seattle Kraken forward Yanni Gourde will undergo shoulder surgery on Monday, per @JoeSmithTB
. He is expected to miss approximately 4 months. #SeaKraken #GoBolts

probably even more so after they inevitably trade a few guys and clear some more room.

looked like he was wearing andrei vasilevski's pads

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Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie · 2m As speculation re Eichel mounts, can tell you that Rangers have still not received access to his medical records from Sabres. So, there is nothing close at this point.

Interesting to see what happens throughout the league once the freeze lifts at 1pm today. Seattle pick Tyler Pitlick is rumored to be someone that's going to be on the move, with Carolina and Philly both interested. Also, Edmonton has both 7 and 8 year deals confirmed with Zach Hyman of Toronto, for a sign and trade that could be completed this afternoon. 8 years at around $5M, would imagine 7 and closer to $5.5M.

If there aren't a ton of deals, then I have no idea what SEA was doing last night. I thought their draft sucked.