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To players drafted that don’t make the kracken. Do they just become free agents? They have like 11 defensemen

In comment 15309855 Mark from Jersey said:

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To players drafted that don’t make the kracken. Do they just become free agents? They have like 11 defensemen

They can send them down to their AHL affiliate, just like the other teams, I think.

He looks like he's gonna collapse.

In comment 15309855 Mark from Jersey said:

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To players drafted that don’t make the kracken. Do they just become free agents? They have like 11 defensemen

They are sharing an AHL team this year and there will also be trades, injuries, etc.

Conor Ryan
@ConorRyan_93
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Seattle about to pay Blake Coleman $6 million a year on July 28

was Goodrow's linemate in Tampa

were there any expansion draft related transactions? and they just haven't been announced yet?

Matt Larkin
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So I just asked NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly for clarification on Seattle's trade privileges. He said:

- Expansion-draft related transactions had to be submitted before deadline this morning

- Follow-up transactions can't be announced until 1:00 pm tomorrow

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
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Any trades Seattle may have in the hopper will be finalized and announced after the trade freeze is lifted at 1 pm ET Thursday. And I suspect there will be a few over the coming days.
@TSNHockey @TheAthletic

long for TBL pick to leak:

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INJURY UPDATE: Seattle Kraken forward Yanni Gourde will undergo shoulder surgery on Monday, per @JoeSmithTB
. He is expected to miss approximately 4 months. #SeaKraken #GoBolts

probably even more so after they inevitably trade a few guys and clear some more room.

looked like he was wearing andrei vasilevski's pads

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Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie · 2m As speculation re Eichel mounts, can tell you that Rangers have still not received access to his medical records from Sabres. So, there is nothing close at this point.

Interesting to see what happens throughout the league once the freeze lifts at 1pm today. Seattle pick Tyler Pitlick is rumored to be someone that's going to be on the move, with Carolina and Philly both interested. Also, Edmonton has both 7 and 8 year deals confirmed with Zach Hyman of Toronto, for a sign and trade that could be completed this afternoon. 8 years at around $5M, would imagine 7 and closer to $5.5M.

If there aren't a ton of deals, then I have no idea what SEA was doing last night. I thought their draft sucked.

And yes, I also thought Vegas would suck too - but I did think they did the best they could with their selections at the time.

In comment 15310028 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:

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Quote: Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie · 2m As speculation re Eichel mounts, can tell you that Rangers have still not received access to his medical records from Sabres. So, there is nothing close at this point. Interesting to see what happens throughout the league once the freeze lifts at 1pm today. Seattle pick Tyler Pitlick is rumored to be someone that's going to be on the move, with Carolina and Philly both interested. Also, Edmonton has both 7 and 8 year deals confirmed with Zach Hyman of Toronto, for a sign and trade that could be completed this afternoon. 8 years at around $5M, would imagine 7 and closer to $5.5M.

I can't believe someone is willing to pay Hyman that much money. He has an injury history, is already 29, and has never been a point getter despite being on lines with elite players. If Barclay Goodrow was playing with Tavares, Marner, Matthews, etc. in that scheme he would be putting up comparable numbers and Rangers are paying him less term and less per year.

In comment 15310033 BrettNYG10 said:

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If there aren't a ton of deals, then I have no idea what SEA was doing last night. I thought their draft sucked.

A lot of people wrote that teams learned from the Vegas draft and handled it better. I don't know about that, I look at the rosters and see them as similar.

I think Gallant deserves more credit for Vegas than he gets.

I think SEA had a chance to build an even better roster than VGK did day one. 100% with you on Gallant.

Some minor decisions (I'd have selected Bailey over Eberle), but there are a few I think I would have swung for the fences on, like Tarasenko, maybe even Price. I'd have picked Domi for sure.

I do agree teams handled it better. There was no Florida disaster.

In comment 15310049 BrettNYG10 said:

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I think SEA had a chance to build an even better roster than VGK did day one. 100% with you on Gallant. Some minor decisions (I'd have selected Bailey over Eberle), but there are a few I think I would have swung for the fences on, like Tarasenko, maybe even Price. I'd have picked Domi for sure. I do agree teams handled it better. There was no Florida disaster.

but you could also make the argument McPhee handled it better than Francis.

I can almost guarantee you the Kraken aren't going to the playoffs, let alone SCF.

though I also thought Vegas would be historically bad.

So, I'll wait to see the rest of the roster, but the Kraken have a 37-year old defenseman a couple fringy players who I like like Dunn and Gourde (injured) a bunch of AHL players/bottom of the roster guys.

rest of the roster (FA/trades could change my mind), but now that team is awful and I don't think it had to be.

withdraws from draft.

is the player from OHL on loan to the Swedish Hockey league who during a consensual sexual encounter took a picture of his "partner" and posted it online without consent. he was convicted of a sex crime in Sweden.

Probably best thing for him to sit out the draft, 19 teams or something removed him from their draft board.

Who knows what his future holds, but at some point you'd hope he's truly remorseful and does get a second chance if he is, his PR written message, if genuine seems like a mature step (or self serving and he probably doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt but have to start somewhere)

In comment 15310040 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15310033 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: If there aren't a ton of deals, then I have no idea what SEA was doing last night. I thought their draft sucked. A lot of people wrote that teams learned from the Vegas draft and handled it better. I don't know about that, I look at the rosters and see them as similar. I think Gallant deserves more credit for Vegas than he gets.

Some of the moves were puzzling. Why take who they did from Philly or Columbus unless a deal was in place? If you were taking an RFA from San Jose why True over Donato? I would have taken Kahkonen over Soucy with how the rest of their draft ended up. Too many D IMHO. Especially since they had signed Larsson and Oleksiak and the draft pool was strong on D I may have stuck with 9 D maybe 10 if you did not have trades worked out.

Chlowski?

an RFA over Troy Stecher?

Just a lot of puzzling decisions that led me to believe either they had a lot of side deals (which we have not yet learned about) or Francis was maximizing cap space to take bad contracts and or sign free agents..

So while I have been critical, I'm withholding final judgment (and I acknowledge I could not have been more wrong about Vegas so who cares about my judgment) until I see the "final" roster.

for a 34 year old UFA. Also, how is Rask 34 years old already? Damn time flies.

Conor Ryan
@ConorRyan_93
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Sweeney said that Tuukka Rask is scheduled to undergo surgery later this month.

In comment 15310077 pjcas18 said:

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Chlowski? an RFA over Troy Stecher? Just a lot of puzzling decisions that led me to believe either they had a lot of side deals (which we have not yet learned about) or Francis was maximizing cap space to take bad contracts and or sign free agents.. So while I have been critical, I'm withholding final judgment (and I acknowledge I could not have been more wrong about Vegas so who cares about my judgment) until I see the "final" roster.

I can understand a RFA over Stecher, but why that RFA versus someone like Svechnikov or Hirose (who both had lower contracts last year than Cholowski)?

Looking at it from the 3 levels I think what they did in goal seems like sound strategy. They went for the younger and more affordable goalies with some upside. That's probably the right move for cap purposes and where they are as a team. And who knows if a veteran lingers on the market maybe they get lucky and add someone like Andersen on a 1 year? Or circle back for 1 of the more expensive goalies who got exposed.

It seems like they wanted to build from the blue line out which is also a sound strategy and Larsson and Oleksiak are 2 solid prime aged D. Dunn is 24 and the type of breakout player Vegas did well with. Giordano is interesting but I'd guess he will either be traded now or at the deadline and probably bring them back a first round pick+. If traded now I'd expect them to make a big run at Hamilton with that saved money - which would give them a real strong top 4 and bring back some assets. They also picked enough interesting depth guys that they could make some other trades. If they do select Owen Power and he lives up to his draft status they will be set up on the blue line nicely.

Up front is where imo they were a little too grinder focused. Not very many upside players. From a NYI sense I'm happier they took Eberle than Bailey or Bellows and while he's a good winger I'd have almost definitely taken Bellows and used the saved $ to add someone with a higher ceiling (Tarasenko, Domi, Jaden Schwartz in FA, whoever). Gourde is a great add like Reilly Smith was for Vegas. Just don't see very many Tuch/Karlsson upside type picks. Landeskog would obviously be a huge add I expect they will offer him a ton of $ just like Hamilton and probably land 1 of them.

all that said they f'd up by not finding a way to get Gallant locked in. That was the no brainer of all no brainers.

In comment 15310086 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15310077 pjcas18 said: Quote: Chlowski? an RFA over Troy Stecher? Just a lot of puzzling decisions that led me to believe either they had a lot of side deals (which we have not yet learned about) or Francis was maximizing cap space to take bad contracts and or sign free agents.. So while I have been critical, I'm withholding final judgment (and I acknowledge I could not have been more wrong about Vegas so who cares about my judgment) until I see the "final" roster. I can understand a RFA over Stecher, but why that RFA versus someone like Svechnikov or Hirose (who both had lower contracts last year than Cholowski)?

I only compare Cholowski to Stecher b/c they're D.

Stecher won't make much more than Cholowski and is a legit NHL D. Cholowski is an AHL player.

In comment 15310092 Eric on Li said:

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Looking at it from the 3 levels I think what they did in goal seems like sound strategy. They went for the younger and more affordable goalies with some upside. That's probably the right move for cap purposes and where they are as a team. And who knows if a veteran lingers on the market maybe they get lucky and add someone like Andersen on a 1 year? Or circle back for 1 of the more expensive goalies who got exposed. It seems like they wanted to build from the blue line out which is also a sound strategy and Larsson and Oleksiak are 2 solid prime aged D. Dunn is 24 and the type of breakout player Vegas did well with. Giordano is interesting but I'd guess he will either be traded now or at the deadline and probably bring them back a first round pick+. If traded now I'd expect them to make a big run at Hamilton with that saved money - which would give them a real strong top 4 and bring back some assets. They also picked enough interesting depth guys that they could make some other trades. If they do select Owen Power and he lives up to his draft status they will be set up on the blue line nicely. Up front is where imo they were a little too grinder focused. Not very many upside players. From a NYI sense I'm happier they took Eberle than Bailey or Bellows and while he's a good winger I'd have almost definitely taken Bellows and used the saved $ to add someone with a higher ceiling (Tarasenko, Domi, Jaden Schwartz in FA, whoever). Gourde is a great add like Reilly Smith was for Vegas. Just don't see very many Tuch/Karlsson upside type picks. Landeskog would obviously be a huge add I expect they will offer him a ton of $ just like Hamilton and probably land 1 of them. all that said they f'd up by not finding a way to get Gallant locked in. That was the no brainer of all no brainers.

It's pretty much consensus Owen Power is going #1 to Buffalo
I think they'll take the best fwd on the board. They need young top 6 type offensive ability in the pipeline.

well at least they aren't missing out on a McDavid.

goes 1-2

Power and Berniers.

I wonder if that's happened before - NCAA used to be when your juniors time was burned, now it's more and more prominent.

jersey curse continues. We got him a Cruz jersey and two weeks later, Cruz was injured. We got him a Barkley jersey before last season.

He has a Morgan Geekie jersey when he was a Charlotte Checker - now he's shipped out to the Krakens

In comment 15310116 Eric on Li said:

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well at least they aren't missing out on a McDavid.

I think the Kraken take Berniers and I like him a lot. Not a McDavid, but absolutely a difference maker at C.

In comment 15310125 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15310116 Eric on Li said: Quote: well at least they aren't missing out on a McDavid. I think the Kraken take Berniers and I like him a lot. Not a McDavid, but absolutely a difference maker at C.

all else aside i'd rather get a high end F than D so maybe getting #2 for the best.

In comment 15310039 Mike in NY said:

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I can't believe someone is willing to pay Hyman that much money. He has an injury history, is already 29, and has never been a point getter despite being on lines with elite players. If Barclay Goodrow was playing with Tavares, Marner, Matthews, etc. in that scheme he would be putting up comparable numbers and Rangers are paying him less term and less per year.

If BUF is playing canny with Eichel's med records, or even if it isn't, I would simply stay away: surrendering a King's ransom of home grown talent and a lot of $$, yes, he's a very good player, but at that price you don't roll the dice for injured goods.

Mike, I agree on Hyman, he certainly did not stand out to me during SCP; in fact, he fell flat.

Lots of chatter that Buch will be moved: he was only the Rangers' best two-way forward the last half of the season and very good in STs. Thanks, Slats

what was ailing him, hope he realizes his massive potential.

Renaud Lavoie
@renlavoietva
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Jonathan Drouin will be at @CanadiensMTL training camp.

In comment 15310124 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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jersey curse continues. We got him a Cruz jersey and two weeks later, Cruz was injured. We got him a Barkley jersey before last season. He has a Morgan Geekie jersey when he was a Charlotte Checker - now he's shipped out to the Krakens

May I recommend a Tom Wilson jersey?

Eric Engels
@EricEngels
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Marc Bergevin says Shea Weber has several injuries (ankle, foot, knee, thumb). "Even missing a practice for him wasn't an option. He has a lot of mileage...He won't be back next season, and probably won't be back for his career."

be a trade in the works between MTL and NSH.

Because MTL can just keep Weber on LTIR the rest of his deal, but if Weber decides to retire, man NSH is so screwed.

NSH should be willing to pay pay MTL so they can make sure Weber doesn't retire and they (NSH) can keep him on LTIR.

But..I admit I don't know how this all works other than if Weber retires NSH has a huge recapture penalty, something like 5M per year for the next 5 years because of how they front-loaded his contract.

He'll stay on LTIR and collect checks, just as all the "retired" LTIR guys do. Habs get space win/win. Fucking NSH would just be malicious and out of character.

In comment 15310145 Mad Mike said:

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In comment 15310124 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: jersey curse continues. We got him a Cruz jersey and two weeks later, Cruz was injured. We got him a Barkley jersey before last season. He has a Morgan Geekie jersey when he was a Charlotte Checker - now he's shipped out to the Krakens May I recommend a Tom Wilson jersey?

Ha! Right after I get him a Zeke jersey

In comment 15310174 Diversify yo bonds said:

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He'll stay on LTIR and collect checks, just as all the "retired" LTIR guys do. Habs get space win/win. Fucking NSH would just be malicious and out of character.

It depends, if I'm MTL the risk of Weber coming back and losing the LTIR is real, and NSH is more at risk, so for them to protect their investment it makes sense.

Not just out of malice.

In comment 15310189 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15310174 Diversify yo bonds said: Quote: He'll stay on LTIR and collect checks, just as all the "retired" LTIR guys do. Habs get space win/win. Fucking NSH would just be malicious and out of character. It depends, if I'm MTL the risk of Weber coming back and losing the LTIR is real, and NSH is more at risk, so for them to protect their investment it makes sense. Not just out of malice.

I think you misread the post. Shea Weber is not the type of player to up and retire and screw over a team by doing so.

my apologies DYB.

I thought DYB was suggesting MTL would screw NSH out of malice.

Weber isn't going to try and screw anyone, but NSH is the one who bears almost all the risk here but MTL still does have some exposure - it would benefit both to shift control to NSH.

Weber though also seems to me like the kind of guy who isn't going to want to stay on LTIR if he can play - and i haven't heard him comment on this at all to say what he's thinking - even at his age I could say him having multiple surgeries and rehabbing them to come back.

but who knows.

In comment 15310195 pjcas18 said:

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my apologies DYB. I thought DYB was suggesting MTL would screw NSH out of malice. Weber isn't going to try and screw anyone, but NSH is the one who bears almost all the risk here but MTL still does have some exposure - it would benefit both to shift control to NSH. Weber though also seems to me like the kind of guy who isn't going to want to stay on LTIR if he can play - and i haven't heard him comment on this at all to say what he's thinking - even at his age I could say him having multiple surgeries and rehabbing them to come back. but who knows.

NSH, knowing Weber's personality, will let MTL take the risk that he attempts to come off LTIR. Trading anything would be doubling down on stupidity.

Kraken made their picks without any side deals/deals in advance to move/trade the picks

Larry Brooks
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Have been told that Lou is looking to bring both Parise and Suter to the Island.

In comment 15310200 ColHowPepper said:

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Kraken made their picks without any side deals/deals in advance to move/trade the picks

As I said earlier, I would be furious if I were a Kraken fan with some of the players they selected if there were no side deals/deals in advance to select particular players. Nobody can tell me that the players they selected from San Jose, Detroit, Philly, Columbus, etc. were the BPA from their respective franchises while still remaining on or close to budget.

thinking or has planned.

Initial review is terrible, but like I said above I'll wait and see the final roster before I have more of an opinion.

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Edmonton #Oilers GM Ken Holland says they probably won’t give RFAs Dominik Kahun and Jujhar Khaira qualifying offers. #LetsGoOilers

For a 3rd and Jonathan Bernier:

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Detroit Red Wings are acquiring Alex Nedeljkovic from the Carolina Hurricanes, per @PierreVLeBrun
. #LGRW #LetsGoCanes

Carolina?