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NFT: NHL Expansion Draft Regular Draft and Off-season Discussion

pjcas18 : 7/12/2021 9:13 am
The expansion draft is 7/21.

Next Sunday (7/18) protected lists will be made public

NHL Draft is 7/23 - 7/24

Free Agency opens 7/28

a lot of movement will happen IMO b/c of a lot of factors including the flat cap - teams with cap space can make out like bandits just for taking a bad contract. Tarasenko, Eichel, and more could have new homes not even considering movement to help with the expansion draft or free agency.

This article linked below from THW is great, not sure there is a ton of accuracy to it, but it's still a fun read.


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RE: People are saying  
Anakim : 7/24/2021 9:17 am : link
In comment 15312122 pjcas18 said:
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the Habs are going to double down and sign Tony Deangelo (if he's bought out).

they're not joking there is rumors of this.


You guys will be the Cincy Bengals of the NHL
I have been trying  
pjcas18 : 7/24/2021 9:25 am : link
to rationalize Mailloux.

and I've said all along, people deserve redemption/second chances, etc.

And the best I can come up with is b y drafting him, MTL can help "force" or manage the maturation process.

but I'm grasping.

the only good to come of the pick is I've read countless woke fans on social media say they no longer consider themselves a fan of the team. So, there is some good to come of it, I don't need the sanctimony.

RE: I have been trying  
Mike in NY : 7/24/2021 9:49 am : link
In comment 15312129 pjcas18 said:
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to rationalize Mailloux.

and I've said all along, people deserve redemption/second chances, etc.

And the best I can come up with is b y drafting him, MTL can help "force" or manage the maturation process.

but I'm grasping.

the only good to come of the pick is I've read countless woke fans on social media say they no longer consider themselves a fan of the team. So, there is some good to come of it, I don't need the sanctimony.


The only rationalization I have is Bergevin and Timmins think talent is talent even if the player is a horrible person.

I hear all of these comments about "who hasn't done something stupid as a kid." Something stupid is getting drunk at a party and passing out, not doing something illegal.
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BrettNYG10 : 7/24/2021 9:54 am : link
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On Monday, the woman told The Athletic she has not forgiven Mailloux.

"I do not think that Logan has understood the seriousness of his behavior," the woman wrote in an email. She added, "All I wanted was a heartfelt apology.
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pjcas18 : 7/24/2021 9:57 am : link
Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
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Language involving some of the draft picks included in the Reinhart trade to Florida is what gummed things up. Expected to be wrapped up soon.
BUF Centerman  
ColHowPepper : 7/24/2021 10:01 am : link
In comment 15312026 pjcas18 said:
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As we wait on full trade details, Sam Reinhart's been informed he's now a member of the Florida Panthers.
Sweet Jesus, the off-season is hitting the Rangers like the 100 year flood. I like Reinhart a lot, pesky two-way C who has knack around the net, and he would have made 100% sense for NYR, far more than Eichel, because team would keep Zib no questions asked. He's young (25), and cheap for now. Don't like the direction Drury is/is not going.

Does BUF really deal two Cs this off-season?
RE: BUF Centerman  
pjcas18 : 7/24/2021 10:06 am : link
In comment 15312155 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 15312026 pjcas18 said:


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As we wait on full trade details, Sam Reinhart's been informed he's now a member of the Florida Panthers.

Sweet Jesus, the off-season is hitting the Rangers like the 100 year flood. I like Reinhart a lot, pesky two-way C who has knack around the net, and he would have made 100% sense for NYR, far more than Eichel, because team would keep Zib no questions asked. He's young (25), and cheap for now. Don't like the direction Drury is/is not going.

Does BUF really deal two Cs this off-season?


I certainly think it's possible, and BUF is getting an early start on the Shane Wright sweepstakes.

If I'm Rasmus Dahlin, I'm not eager to stay.
RE: RE: BUF Centerman  
Mike in NY : 7/24/2021 10:12 am : link
In comment 15312158 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15312155 ColHowPepper said:


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In comment 15312026 pjcas18 said:


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As we wait on full trade details, Sam Reinhart's been informed he's now a member of the Florida Panthers.

Sweet Jesus, the off-season is hitting the Rangers like the 100 year flood. I like Reinhart a lot, pesky two-way C who has knack around the net, and he would have made 100% sense for NYR, far more than Eichel, because team would keep Zib no questions asked. He's young (25), and cheap for now. Don't like the direction Drury is/is not going.

Does BUF really deal two Cs this off-season?



I certainly think it's possible, and BUF is getting an early start on the Shane Wright sweepstakes.

If I'm Rasmus Dahlin, I'm not eager to stay.


Can BUF pick first next year since they were #1 overall this year?
Makar  
Diversify yo bonds : 7/24/2021 10:54 am : link
6 years 9 million per.
RE: RE: I have been trying  
Stu11 : 7/24/2021 11:03 am : link
In comment 15312145 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15312129 pjcas18 said:


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to rationalize Mailloux.

and I've said all along, people deserve redemption/second chances, etc.

And the best I can come up with is b y drafting him, MTL can help "force" or manage the maturation process.

but I'm grasping.

the only good to come of the pick is I've read countless woke fans on social media say they no longer consider themselves a fan of the team. So, there is some good to come of it, I don't need the sanctimony.




The only rationalization I have is Bergevin and Timmins think talent is talent even if the player is a horrible person.

I hear all of these comments about "who hasn't done something stupid as a kid." Something stupid is getting drunk at a party and passing out, not doing something illegal.

I agree what the kid did was absolutely reprehensible and he should pay a huge price. I wouldn't want him in my team but I think we live in a new age. People have very short attention spans. Individuals rightly or wrongly have found out that if they ride out the initial shitstorm people move on quickly. The Canadiens probably made the calculation that getting him at 31 was worth it and that in 2 years or so when he makes it to the NHL this will all have died down. Again I'm explaining the probable Canadiens thinking not my feelings about it. I'm extraordinarily sensitive to the abuse of women.
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pjcas18 : 7/24/2021 2:06 pm : link
HabsLinks
@HabsLinks
· 16m
Elliotte Friedman on ESPN/Sportsnet’s draft coverage discussing Jack Eichel: “Buffalo is still looking for a definite prospect/draft pick based deal there. I think they talked pretty heavily with Montreal yesterday. It was quiet last night.”
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BrettNYG10 : 7/24/2021 2:09 pm : link
I find it pretty funny that Buffalo probably had a 1/2 C combo that could win a Cup and they're probably going to dump both this off-season.
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ColHowPepper : 7/24/2021 2:35 pm : link
And, Brett, as I whined above, we could have had the C2 and kept our skill players (God forbid) at a much lesser sacrifice. Zib and Rinehart (who was a goal scoring thorn in the Rangers' side this last season, usually from the slot, where Cs should live), why couldn't/wouldn't Drury envision that? Is it because the old Slats redux lives, who doesn't have to live with the result? Certainly BUF steered NYR away from Rinehart or else it's the big one who got away, and we're such obliging trade partners. Brassard deal may live in infamy as one of a kind.

And why yet another LW in the draft?
Been seeing buzz the Devs are in on Hamilton and Tarasenko  
Stu11 : 7/24/2021 2:41 pm : link
per Elliotte Friedman on NHL Network, the #NJDevils are in on Dougie Hamilton and Vladimir Tarasenko (h/t @ABNTHockey)

Makes sense. After yesterday the UFA market for Hamilton really dried up. If he wants to get paid there just aren't the suitors. If he wants a contender right now he'll have to take less to stay in Carolina.
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BrettNYG10 : 7/24/2021 3:11 pm : link
CHP, I think the Rangers envision needing a dominant 1C to win the Cup - something the Rangers lacked as we completed last decade.

I think there's a lot of ways to win a Cup, and the Rangers could be a wing driven team. My issue with acquiring Reinhart would have been that he's in need of a contract next year too. Other than that, I think I agree with you.
Isles take two  
Pete in MD : 7/24/2021 3:45 pm : link
boom or bust players in the 2nd and 3rd. Many know the Raty story.

#53 C Aatu Raty
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The main thing that sets this draft class apart from the others is the fact that there’s no true projected number one pick. Owen Power, Brandt Clarke, and Matthew Beniers come to mind for contenders, and Raty was originally supposed to be among this group of contenders. But a slow start in his second pro season with Oulun Karpat of the SM-Liiga has seen the Finnish centre take a dip in the rankings.


#93 G Trison Lennox
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Undoubtedly a name to keep an eye on during the 2021 NHL Draft, Tristan Lennox is a classic case of someone possessing the raw talent to become a bona fide NHL starter, but is in need of some development and guidance to help him get there.
not sure I get this  
pjcas18 : 7/24/2021 6:44 pm : link
BUF  
pjcas18 : 7/24/2021 6:45 pm : link
is a shit show.

Hockey Hound Trade mark sign
@HockeyHoundShow
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Breaking News: As reported by @BuffaloVogl
#LetsGoBuffalo GM Kevyn Adams said today in his media conference he is still actively trying to trade Jack Eichel but has no problem keeping him through the season.

*It should be noted GM’s say this a lot as a negotiating tactic.
Raty  
pjcas18 : 7/24/2021 7:19 pm : link
will be the steal of the draft IMO.

Chris Peters
@chrismpeters
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1m
Final at the World Junior Summer Showcase: Finland beats Sweden 5-2. Four goals from Aatu Räty (NYI), one from Brad Lambert (2022). For Sweden, new first-rounders Oskar Olausson (COL) and Isak Rosén (BUF). That was fun.
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pjcas18 : 7/24/2021 8:07 pm : link
NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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Washington Capitals GM Brian MacLellan says G Craig Anderson is expected to retire, per @TomGulittiNHL
. #ALLCAPS
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pjcas18 : 7/24/2021 8:12 pm : link
Mark Masters
@markhmasters
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Players selected in 2021 #NHLDraft by birth country

Flag of Canada 82
Flag of United States 50
Flag of Russia 29
Flag of Sweden 24
Flag of Finland 14
Flag of Czech Republic 8
Flag of Germany 4
Flag of Switzerland 4
Flag of Belarus 3
Flag of United Kingdom 1
Flag of Kazakhstan 1
Flag of Norway 1
Flag of Slovenia 1
Flag of Ukraine 1
According to Uncle Larry  
JayBinQueens : 7/24/2021 10:09 pm : link
Mika wants an Eichel contract
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pjcas18 : 7/25/2021 12:03 pm : link
Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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Jake Virtanen is on unconditional waivers
RE: According to Uncle Larry  
BrettNYG10 : 7/25/2021 12:11 pm : link
In comment 15312503 JayBinQueens said:
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Mika wants an Eichel contract


Mika's probably earned it (or close to it) but the Rangers can't be the team to give it to him.
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pjcas18 : 7/25/2021 12:23 pm : link
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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Working free agent day on Wednesday. Let’s see if I remember how to do this: Marc Staal returning to DET on a one-year deal. @TSNHockey
RE: BUF  
BrettNYG10 : 7/25/2021 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15312424 pjcas18 said:
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is a shit show.

Hockey Hound Trade mark sign
@HockeyHoundShow
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Breaking News: As reported by @BuffaloVogl
#LetsGoBuffalo GM Kevyn Adams said today in his media conference he is still actively trying to trade Jack Eichel but has no problem keeping him through the season.

*It should be noted GM’s say this a lot as a negotiating tactic.


pj, you and I might be first line wingers on the Sabres this year.
RE: RE: BUF  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2021 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15312685 BrettNYG10 said:
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is a shit show.

Hockey Hound Trade mark sign
@HockeyHoundShow
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Breaking News: As reported by @BuffaloVogl
#LetsGoBuffalo GM Kevyn Adams said today in his media conference he is still actively trying to trade Jack Eichel but has no problem keeping him through the season.

*It should be noted GM’s say this a lot as a negotiating tactic.



pj, you and I might be first line wingers on the Sabres this year.


I'm defense now (too old and slow for F), but if I had to fill in at forward I can, but I get gassed after about 3 shifts.

I have learned how to conserve energy on D picking my spots when to activate offensively - and when I do I basically stay in the offensive zone forever.

So, I might be second line wing on the Sabres, lol.
CBJ  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2021 1:14 pm : link
allegedly getting calls on Werenski.

I like Werenski as much as I like Jones, hard to see him going anywhere without the acquiring team giving up a ton.

Also, getting nervous of this Eichel to the Habs talk.

Keep him in NY. I like Eichel, but I've been hearing Romanov and Kotkaniemi - to start. At some point you're weakening your team and the cap structure too much to make a deal work.
It's funny  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2021 1:40 pm : link
when this thread started it was "no way Landeskog hits FA"

now, it seems like a legit chance he does.

Something maybe people don't know about Landeskog - is he's not a C (because Mackinnon is) but he's really good on the dots and takes a lot of the important face offs. So while I couldn't compare him and Eichel per se, you can make a pretty strong case for the same money less the prospects/picks you're better off with Landeskog

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Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
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Rumors: As reported by @TheFourthPeriod
the talks between the #GoAvsGo and Gabriel Landeskog have gone quiet.

Pagnotta believes the Avs will have one more conversation before FA on Wednesday.
Doesn't sounds like Rangers  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2021 1:47 pm : link
and Sabres were/are that close.

NHL Watcher
@NHL_Watcher
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Friedman on 31TP talking Eichel/NYR: "The Rangers and Sabres were just not close on the package. The Sabres wanted the likes of a Schneider or Lundkvist and the Rangers didn't want to go there, they (Sabres) wanted some of their top young players that are already on the roster."
RE: ....  
ColHowPepper : 7/25/2021 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15312290 BrettNYG10 said:
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CHP, I think the Rangers envision needing a dominant 1C to win the Cup - something the Rangers lacked as we completed last decade.

I think there's a lot of ways to win a Cup, and the Rangers could be a wing driven team. My issue with acquiring Reinhart would have been that he's in need of a contract next year too. Other than that, I think I agree with you.
Fair point. And while it's in retrospect, looking at the return for Rinehart, Drury could have figured what talent the Rangers might have been required to give Sabres in return (+/- picks) + his salary demands would/will be dwarfed by the return for Eichel. And it sure would make keeping Zib more feasible. (Thinking his asking price went up once Buch was dealt.)

At this point my biggest fear is that Drury as the new GM on the block feels he HAS to pull a trigger on a big deal (nodding at Dolan in a dark corner of the bar) and it will prove to be very short sighted. As bad as those back-to-back losses to NYI felt at the time (and 13 - 1 in the three), they could well look a whole lot worse before this off-season is done.
The Athletic comments  
ColHowPepper : 7/25/2021 2:18 pm : link
on teammates' reaction to Buch trade https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7IvyXzXMAIymP3?format=jpg&name=small
Bob  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2021 2:29 pm : link
Motzko (coach of St. Cloud State and many US juniors teams) son, Mack Motzko was killed in a car accident last night.
RE: Bob  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2021 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15312770 pjcas18 said:
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Motzko (coach of St. Cloud State and many US juniors teams) son, Mack Motzko was killed in a car accident last night.


sorry, Motzko is now coach of Minnesota - for the past few years.
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pjcas18 : 7/25/2021 2:47 pm : link
Costa Rontzocos
@Rontzeeez
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Friedman on #31Thoughts "Someone said to me they wouldn't be surprised if [...] LA makes a play for Phil Danault [...] and until I'm proven wrong about that one I'm going with David Savard to Montreal" #GoHabsGo
Brett was talking about Buffalo winning a cup  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2021 3:32 pm : link
with two traded centers, look at al the players CBJ has let go (OTT as a good list of talent they traded away/lost as well):

Mark Scheig
@markscheig
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7m
After this weekend's trades, of the 18 players #CBJ dressed in their 7-3 win over TB in Game 4 back in 2019, 12 of them are gone and Adam Clendening is un-signed.

Jones, Panarin, Atkinson, Dubinsky, Dubois, Dzingel, Nash, Savard, Foligno, Anderson, Duchene, Bobrovsky. Torts too.
RE: RE: ....  
BrettNYG10 : 7/25/2021 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15312746 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 15312290 BrettNYG10 said:


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CHP, I think the Rangers envision needing a dominant 1C to win the Cup - something the Rangers lacked as we completed last decade.

I think there's a lot of ways to win a Cup, and the Rangers could be a wing driven team. My issue with acquiring Reinhart would have been that he's in need of a contract next year too. Other than that, I think I agree with you.

Fair point. And while it's in retrospect, looking at the return for Rinehart, Drury could have figured what talent the Rangers might have been required to give Sabres in return (+/- picks) + his salary demands would/will be dwarfed by the return for Eichel. And it sure would make keeping Zib more feasible. (Thinking his asking price went up once Buch was dealt.)

At this point my biggest fear is that Drury as the new GM on the block feels he HAS to pull a trigger on a big deal (nodding at Dolan in a dark corner of the bar) and it will prove to be very short sighted. As bad as those back-to-back losses to NYI felt at the time (and 13 - 1 in the three), they could well look a whole lot worse before this off-season is done.


Agreed, I don't see anyone happy if we come back to training camp with Goodrow as the biggest addition. The franchise completely overreaction to the Washington game/Islander beat downs seems very real to me. Islanders are a better team beating down on a tired Rangers team - it happens with going teams.

The Washington game was unfortunate as well, especially with Lindgren and Trouba out. They weren't terrifying games in any capacity.

I critiqued a lot of moves, but was in full agreement with the plan the team had under JD/Gorton. Just not sure I know what Drury is doing yet.
RE: Brett was talking about Buffalo winning a cup  
BrettNYG10 : 7/25/2021 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15312815 pjcas18 said:
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with two traded centers, look at al the players CBJ has let go (OTT as a good list of talent they traded away/lost as well):

Mark Scheig
@markscheig
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After this weekend's trades, of the 18 players #CBJ dressed in their 7-3 win over TB in Game 4 back in 2019, 12 of them are gone and Adam Clendening is un-signed.

Jones, Panarin, Atkinson, Dubinsky, Dubois, Dzingel, Nash, Savard, Foligno, Anderson, Duchene, Bobrovsky. Torts too.


Good point. What's in the water in Columbus that everyone flees?
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pjcas18 : 7/25/2021 9:40 pm : link
Shane O'Brien
@ShaneOBrien55
· Jul 24
The Captain Ryan Getzlaf not close right now with the @AnaheimDucks Other teams circling around his camp though. Has no problem testing the market. @MissinCurfew @SiriusXMNHL @stevekouleas
I'd take Landeskog on my team in a heartbeat  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2021 10:15 pm : link
Big fan of that guy
When you read  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2021 10:46 pm : link
all the post-draft write-ups and grades MTL gets either no grade of an F.

lol.

I know it's not funny what Mailloux did, but I find the fact "journalists" cannot grade his talent because they are offended the Canadiens selected him kind of funny.
Christ, I'm out of the loop  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2021 11:33 pm : link
We moved to a new home this weekend and I hadn't been paying attention at all to sports until tonight with all the packing and unpacking. They traded Buchnevich for some hump? Pathetic. I'm convinced now that Drury is nothing more than a Sather puppet.
RE: Christ, I'm out of the loop  
ColHowPepper : 7/26/2021 8:08 am : link
In comment 15313071 Greg from LI said:
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We moved to a new home this weekend...
BOL in your new home, Greg, may it shed some luck and light on Blueshirts
congrats Greg  
pjcas18 : 7/26/2021 8:49 am : link
I like moving when it's an upgrade, but I dread moving in general and I vowed after this last move the next move I have is to a pine box, lol.

anyway....

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Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
· 14m
Also, Qualifying Offers are due today to pending RFAs.

We know EDM is not QO’ing Khaira and Kahun.

Curious whether Zadorov (CHI), Lehkonen (MTL), Aston-Reese (PIT), Heinen (ANA) and Kase (BOS) are qualified.

And Patrik Laine (#CBJ) is due a $7.5 million QO.
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pjcas18 : 7/26/2021 9:07 am : link
Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
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Now down to the final two days of the #NHL’s first buyout window of the summer, these players are on buyout watch today:

Braden Holtby (VAN)
Martin Jones (SJS)
James Neal (EDM)

Buyouts must be completed by July 27 at 5pm ET, so today is the day for waivers in order to do it.
RE: Christ, I'm out of the loop  
BrettNYG10 : 7/26/2021 9:25 am : link
In comment 15313071 Greg from LI said:
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We moved to a new home this weekend and I hadn't been paying attention at all to sports until tonight with all the packing and unpacking. They traded Buchnevich for some hump? Pathetic. I'm convinced now that Drury is nothing more than a Sather puppet.


When is the housewarming party? I'll have to return the Buch jersey I got you.
the housewarming BBQ is probably gonna be a couple of weeks  
Greg from LI : 7/26/2021 10:30 am : link
The return is a good idea.

CHP and pj, thanks. House is definitely an upgrade. It was a frustrating process as we were outbid for house after house but, right as we were staring having to move out in a week with nowhere to move into, we got incredibly lucky. Once all the moving headaches are nothing but a memory, I think we'll be very happy here.
congrats Greg  
bigbluehoya : 7/26/2021 10:32 am : link
best wishes with the new home.

Moving blows.
Congrats Greg on the move  
Stu11 : 7/26/2021 10:51 am : link
We moved last September our first house after 18 years in a townhouse. It's a bitch to move but we have been in heaven ever since. Yeah the real estate market now is beyond insane with the bidding wars.
Today is interesting with the buyouts and non tenders. PJ the Laine thing is interesting. With all the exodus from Columbus you don't hear anything about him the past few weeks. Prior to that there was rumblkng he might ask out. I wouldn't think what has transpired in the past week would wet his appetite to stay there.
Devils trade  
pjcas18 : 7/26/2021 12:46 pm : link
Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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7m
Hearing Christian Jaros from SJ to NJ for Nick Merkley. New homes for a couple of players.
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