NFT: NHL Expansion Draft Regular Draft and Off-season Discussion

In comment 15304063 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 15304057 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 15304054 KDubbs said: Quote: dont finish his career with the Isles I will be so angry. dude has taken so much shit from this fanbase, stayed unlike Tavares, and is just a solid all around player. Could shoot more but solid I really would like to lose Komarov or Eberle. The odds of Seattle taking Komarov are about the same as taking me. That only happens if the Isles give them a pick. My guess would be that they take Leddy. He can still play and he has an expiring contract that they can move at the trade deadline for picks.

Rumors are Leddy is being shopped before the expansion draft. I'm expecting to lose Bellows or Eberle

that if Leddy is traded prior to the expansion draft then the Isles have to expose either Mayfield or Pulock due to the exposure rules (One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.)

In comment 15304257 Pete in MD said:

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that if Leddy is traded prior to the expansion draft then the Isles have to expose either Mayfield or Pulock due to the exposure rules (One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.)

I believe that is correct. I'm pretty sure they don't want to expose Mayfield given his play this postseason and very reasonable contract.

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In comment 15304386 Anakim said:

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Gives them an extra $10 mil in cap space. Wonder what they could use that on...

In comment 15304393 jv said:

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In comment 15304386 Anakim said: Quote: . Gives them an extra $10 mil in cap space. Wonder what they could use that on...

It also gives them a shit load of dead cap space. But yeah, maybe Guerin is in on Eichel.

Rangers could use a veteran LHD and a good locker room guy like Suter and we all know that Lou loves Parise and the Islanders need scoring.

wish list (Parise and Suter) - there is your veteran presence.

I'd give Parise a low $$$ deal over players like Blackwell or Di Guisseppe

And if I were EDM I'd rather have Suter than Keith (for the money and the picks)

I would sign either of those guys (Parise or Suter) to low $$$ deals. Solid veteran adds.

In comment 15304406 pjcas18 said:

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wish list (Parise and Suter) - there is your veteran presence. I'd give Parise a low $$$ deal over players like Blackwell or Di Guisseppe And if I were EDM I'd rather have Suter than Keith (for the money and the picks) I would sign either of those guys (Parise or Suter) to low $$$ deals. Solid veteran adds.

I don't think Parise makes much sense for the Rangers. They need tougher players, not more skill.

But Suter does. Suter would be a great add for the Rangers.

for his skill or his toughness.

I'd add him for his leadership.

He's been a team captain and an alternate captain, he's won a Gold meal at the WJC representing his country and a silver medal in the Olympics representing his country, he led a team to the Stanley Cup finals, he is just a leader IMO.

and his value in the bottom 6 on a young team is incalculable IMO.

In my world it's Parise over the Blackwell or Di Guisseppe or other bottom 6 player.

I think teams will be lining up to add him.

..to the Islanders on several occasions? I thought I remembered Trading Dead Line 2020, he was extremely close to joining the Islanders.

In comment 15304457 Drewcon40 said:

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..to the Islanders on several occasions? I thought I remembered Trading Dead Line 2020, he was extremely close to joining the Islanders.

yes, and most suspect that's where he ends up (NYI), but I'm just saying I like him for any team.

won’t agree with me, but I think there’s a real chance Isles trade Varlamov this off-season. Carrying both Varlamov and Sorokin is a huge cap hit to spend on goalies. They could get an asset back for Varlamov (and then use that asset to dump Ladd) and we’d have to trust Korn/Trotz to add a cheaper goalie to pair with Sorokin.

pjcas - seems inevitable, I am curious from the NYI fan view, what would a Parise contract look like and would it be at the expense of someone you rate higher. I am assuming the RFAs, expansion draft, Czikas are all factors.

thanks - I forgot to add to my previous post - the cap implications in all of those decisions. Vegas' selection should start the ball rolling on mosty teams trying to build their 2021-22 rosters.

signed Corey Perry to a one year 750k contract this year, I think the value Parise brings could be similar.

I don't think he's getting a ton of money at this stage of his career.

Obviously not the kind of player Perry is/was, but similar in terms of veteran leadership

My July 4th. Time flies.

gets his wish.

Canadiens Montréal
@CanadiensMTL
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The Canadiens have agreed to terms on a three-year contract extension (2021-22 to 2023-24) with head coach Dominique Ducharme.

#GoHabsGo

https://nhl.com/canadiens/news

In comment 15304386 Anakim said:

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Absolutely brutal hit for so long - do the Wild think they're a player away from being contenders?

I think this is a bad move for them.

In comment 15304466 Metnut said:

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won’t agree with me, but I think there’s a real chance Isles trade Varlamov this off-season. Carrying both Varlamov and Sorokin is a huge cap hit to spend on goalies. They could get an asset back for Varlamov (and then use that asset to dump Ladd) and we’d have to trust Korn/Trotz to add a cheaper goalie to pair with Sorokin.

Im absolutely with you. Love Varly but he is the easiest trade I think that can free up money. I would love to sign Dreidger to be 1b.

If Parise isn’t an Islander but honestly I would love for the Devils to bring in both Suter and Parise on 1-2 year deals. At the end of the season the Devils had the youngest forward group in NHL history. They desperately need more veteran leadership in the locker room. Parise and Suter would both fill that need.

A high draft pick to take Suter in the expansion draft. They do save a lot of cap room this year but now they have a lot of dead money to deal with.

the first entry in the Shane Wright sweepstakes or really the top pick the three years after that. Holy crap that's painful to look at.

The Minnesota Wild

In comment 15304524 Jay on the Island said:

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A high draft pick to take Suter in the expansion draft. They do save a lot of cap room this year but now they have a lot of dead money to deal with.

They had $10mm each of salary to be paid the next four years. It was an easy deal for a cheap to eat. I don't get why you couldn't get a team to retain half on both of them. Maybe they tried and the players refused to waive their NMC's?

What the hell were they thinking?

In comment 15304542 Jay on the Island said:

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What the hell were they thinking?

I have no idea, but cap management, contracts, and trades are areas I usually trust the experts.

but man, that looks bad, doesn't it?

What is it?

In comment 15304562 Greg from LI said:

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What is it?

try this link and scroll down to dead cap buyout history
link - ( New Window )

Dead cap money for the next six years:

$4,743,588
$12,743,588
$14,743,588
$14,743,588
$1,666,666
$1,666,666

In comment 15304587 BrettNYG10 said:

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Dead cap money for the next six years: $4,743,588 $12,743,588 $14,743,588 $14,743,588 $1,666,666 $1,666,666

Sather would be proud

In comment 15304587 BrettNYG10 said:

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Dead cap money for the next six years: $4,743,588 $12,743,588 $14,743,588 $14,743,588 $1,666,666 $1,666,666

I want to say that's...ah....less than ideal

In comment 15304593 Anakim said:

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In comment 15304587 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Dead cap money for the next six years: $4,743,588 $12,743,588 $14,743,588 $14,743,588 $1,666,666 $1,666,666 Sather would be proud

Moves like this are made by GMs who think they only have a year or two left and need to compete immediately. The biggest thing that pissed me off about Sather was he behaved the same way despite having a life-time guarantee. He was forced into being smart and long-term after his dreadful first few years, but immediately went into short-term mode once Lundqvist/Jagr were hot post-lockout.

Hearing Parise's name also pisses me off - I think we would have had a Cup or two if we picked him over Jessiman.

Is littered with all-stars:

1 Marc-Andre Fleury (G) Canada Pittsburgh Penguins (from Florida) Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL)
2 Eric Staal (C) Canada Carolina Hurricanes Peterborough Petes (OHL)
3 Nathan Horton (RW) Canada Florida Panthers (from Pittsburgh) Oshawa Generals (OHL)
4 Nikolay Zherdev (RW) Russia Columbus Blue Jackets CSKA Moscow (Russia)
5 Thomas Vanek (LW) Austria Buffalo Sabres University of Minnesota (NCAA)
6 Milan Michalek (LW) Czech Republic San Jose Sharks HC Ceske Budejovice (Czech Republic)
7 Ryan Suter (D) United States Nashville Predators US Nat'l U-18 (NAHL)
8 Braydon Coburn (D) Canada Atlanta Thrashers Portland Winterhawks (WHL)
9 Dion Phaneuf (D) Canada Calgary Flames Red Deer Rebels (WHL)
10 Andrei Kostitsyn (RW) Belarus Montreal Canadiens CSKA Moscow (Russia)
11 Jeff Carter (C) Canada Philadelphia Flyers (from Phoenix) Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL)
12 Hugh Jessiman (RW) United States New York Rangers Dartmouth College (NCAA)
13 Dustin Brown (RW) United States Los Angeles Kings Guelph Storm (OHL)
14 Brent Seabrook (D) Canada Chicago Blackhawks Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL)
15 Robert Nilsson (RW) Sweden New York Islanders Leksands IF (Sweden)
16 Steve Bernier (RW) Canada San Jose Sharks (from Boston) Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL)
17 Zach Parise (LW) United States New Jersey Devils (from Edmonton) University of North Dakota (NCAA)
18 Eric Fehr (RW) Canada Washington Capitals Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)
19 Ryan Getzlaf (C) Canada Mighty Ducks of Anaheim Calgary Hitmen (WHL)
20 Brent Burns (RW) Canada Minnesota Wild Brampton Battalion (OHL)
21 Mark Stuart (D) United States Boston Bruins (from Toronto via San Jose) Colorado College (NCAA)
22 Marc-Antoine Pouliot (C) Canada Edmonton Oilers (from St. Louis via New Jersey) Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL)
23 Ryan Kesler (C) United States Vancouver Canucks Ohio State University (NCAA)
24 Mike Richards (C) Canada Philadelphia Flyers Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
25 Anthony Stewart (RW) Canada Florida Panthers (from Tampa Bay) Kingston Frontenacs (OHL)
26 Brian Boyle (C) United States Los Angeles Kings (from Colorado) Saint Sebastian's School (USHS-MA)
27 Jeff Tambellini (LW) Canada Los Angeles Kings (from Detroit) University of Michigan (NCAA)
28 Corey Perry (RW) Canada Mighty Ducks of Anaheim (from Dallas) London Knights (OHL)
29 Patrick Eaves (RW) United States Ottawa Senators Boston College (NCAA)
30 Shawn Belle (D) Canada St. Louis Blues (from New Jersey) Tri-City Americans (WHL)

We could have thrown a blind dart and gotten more production than Huge Disappointment. Sather blows.

In comment 15304657 PwndPapi said:

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We could have thrown a blind dart and gotten more production than Huge Disappointment. Sather blows.

You probably would have just hit Robert Nilsson.

is such a crapshoot, especially after the top portion of the 1st round.

18 year old kids are hard to project.

Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
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Breaking News: Darren Dreger on Insider Trading just said the #GoAvsGo and Gabriel Landeskog are not even close to an extension.

Dreger said the Colorado Avalanche has to change significantly or else Landeskog will go to market.

In comment 15304480 Stu11 said:

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My July 4th. Time flies.

That was a rough offseason. Losing Parise was extremely disappointing but once I saw the length of the contract I knew that the Devils would seriously regret it with 5-8 years left on the contract.

Pekka Rinne retired. I thought he was overrated throughout much of his career.

Rumors are MIN cleared space to make a run at Eichel.

Saw on Twitter that the Islanders are shopping Leddy.

In comment 15304819 BrettNYG10 said:

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Pekka Rinne retired. I thought he was overrated throughout much of his career..

Who was it that said Rinne was better than Henrik? Was it FEK? Arc used to tease someone about that...

In comment 15304816 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 15304480 Stu11 said: Quote: My July 4th. Time flies. That was a rough offseason. Losing Parise was extremely disappointing but once I saw the length of the contract I knew that the Devils would seriously regret it with 5-8 years left on the contract.

Yeah anyone could have predicted a decade down the road those contracts would be a mess, and here we are.

were very similar IMO.

they are practically statistical clones.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
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There's a growing sense that the Predators might leave Matt Duchene unprotected in the expansion draft. Has five more years on his deal at an $8M AAV.
@TSNHockey @TheAthletic

In comment 15304466 Metnut said:

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won’t agree with me, but I think there’s a real chance Isles trade Varlamov this off-season. Carrying both Varlamov and Sorokin is a huge cap hit to spend on goalies. They could get an asset back for Varlamov (and then use that asset to dump Ladd) and we’d have to trust Korn/Trotz to add a cheaper goalie to pair with Sorokin.

I think it's possible, but only if someone overpays them. He's a Vezina candidate who has played well in the playoffs signed reasonably with 2 years remaining (5m AAV). I don't see Lou trading a known quantity for a 2nd, or even a combo of 2nds/3rds. Maybe at the deadline if Sorokin steps up and takes control.

I do think Lou will somehow leverage the expansion draft to cut 3-5m in salary. Leddy is the obvious name who will be exposed but I'm not sure he's a good fit for an expansion team with only 1 year left. More likely I think they attach a draft pick to move out a contract.

Like others I'd be pretty surprised if Parise doesn't end up an Islander. Not sure if addig him and getting Lee/Wahlstrom healthy is enough to get by Tampa but i'm also not sure it's not enough. Especially if Tampa finally deals with their cap situation.

it sounds like they may trade Leddy ahead of the expansion draft to clear cap and make sure they don't lose him for nothing (per Staple), and though a Leddy to Chara swap would certainly decrease their speed, for 1 year I think he'd be a nice addition (assuming he's willing to take a smallish 1 year deal to play for a contender).

Bruins D retired.

So many injuries, and such perseverance to come back and now go out on his terms.

Lance Lysowski
@LLysowski
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Jeff Skinner has agreed to waive his NMC for the purpose of being exposed in the Seattle expansion draft, his agent, Don Meehan, told me.

In comment 15304947 pjcas18 said:

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Lance Lysowski @LLysowski · 6m Jeff Skinner has agreed to waive his NMC for the purpose of being exposed in the Seattle expansion draft, his agent, Don Meehan, told me.

Skinner jumped when they placed a truckload of money in front of him. He was never a leader when in Carolina. Obviously Buffalo thought he would be able to help lead a pretty garbage Sabres team. They couldn't have been more wrong.
He always had talent and I can't help but wonder if he is put in a new situation where he can just be a regular second line player that he won't start producing again. The contract is an albatross but if they are willing to take the chance and it works out.....Hey who knows. 50-60 points a year at 9 million a year may be overpaying for him but those points will help the Kracken team out.

As for the expansion draft. There are some pretty good goalies that are going to be available. Seattle should be able to solidify their net for at least the next few years. That is a great start.

On the Canes front. I really hope they make a run at Driedger (UFA) from the Panthers to help in the net. They have 20 million to spend and if they don't get stupid and sign Hamilton for 8 million a year long term deal which he is apparently wanting. They will have enough money to sign some good players to fill those few holes that they have that should help them get better and become a cup contender. Again starting with Driedger.

should try and trade Bobrovsky to SEA if they can get bob to waive his NMC.

And then go with Knight and re-signed Driedger

In comment 15305011 pjcas18 said:

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should try and trade Bobrovsky to SEA if they can get bob to waive his NMC. And then go with Knight and re-signed Driedger

I am sure that the Panthers GM would love to dump that contract. I think it was signed before he got the job. Bobrovsky has a Carey Price type of albatross contract. Five more years at 10 million a year. Anyone in Seattle who grabs that needs their head checked. Then fired. Only an idiot like Marc Bergevin would think that it is a great deal.

I am sure that Ron Francis will not pull a Bergevin. Especially since the goalies that are going to be available are solid.

In comment 15304860 Eric on Li said:

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it sounds like they may trade Leddy ahead of the expansion draft to clear cap and make sure they don't lose him for nothing (per Staple), and though a Leddy to Chara swap would certainly decrease their speed, for 1 year I think he'd be a nice addition (assuming he's willing to take a smallish 1 year deal to play for a contender).

You'll know if a Leddy trade is coming down the pike if you see Greene signed. They need to have a D to expose in the expansion draft and they won't if they trade Leddy and don't sign/acquire anyone else.