The expansion draft is 7/21.
Next Sunday (7/18) protected lists will be made public
NHL Draft is 7/23 - 7/24
Free Agency opens 7/28
a lot of movement will happen IMO b/c of a lot of factors including the flat cap - teams with cap space can make out like bandits just for taking a bad contract. Tarasenko, Eichel, and more could have new homes not even considering movement to help with the expansion draft or free agency.
This article linked below from THW is great, not sure there is a ton of accuracy to it, but it's still a fun read.
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should try and trade Bobrovsky to SEA if they can get bob to waive his NMC.
And then go with Knight and re-signed Driedger
I am sure that the Panthers GM would love to dump that contract. I think it was signed before he got the job. Bobrovsky has a Carey Price type of albatross contract. Five more years at 10 million a year. Anyone in Seattle who grabs that needs their head checked. Then fired. Only an idiot like Marc Bergevin would think that it is a great deal.
I am sure that Ron Francis will not pull a Bergevin. Especially since the goalies that are going to be available are solid.
The hate is irrational, it's almost like Bergevin banged your wife. I know people throw that around sometimes as a cliche, but not sure there is a better explanation.
Bergevin was a finalist for GM of the year.
Does he make bad moves? Of course just like all GM's, but your contempt is beyond reason.
@JoeyMacHockey
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Hearing the Bruins and Brandon Carlo have reached a long-term deal. Great move by Don Sweeney. Carlo a huge part of the Bruins.
Unbridled, irrational and seething hatred.
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should try and trade Bobrovsky to SEA if they can get bob to waive his NMC.
And then go with Knight and re-signed Driedger
I am sure that the Panthers GM would love to dump that contract. I think it was signed before he got the job. Bobrovsky has a Carey Price type of albatross contract. Five more years at 10 million a year. Anyone in Seattle who grabs that needs their head checked. Then fired. Only an idiot like Marc Bergevin would think that it is a great deal.
I am sure that Ron Francis will not pull a Bergevin. Especially since the goalies that are going to be available are solid.
The hate is irrational, it's almost like Bergevin banged your wife. I know people throw that around sometimes as a cliche, but not sure there is a better explanation.
Bergevin was a finalist for GM of the year.
Does he make bad moves? Of course just like all GM's, but your contempt is beyond reason.
The only reason that he was a finalist is that the Habs were on a run. They did finish 18th overall and would not have made the playoffs in a normal season. Even the French press here were naming his replacements as late as after they beat the Leafs in the first round. If you knew how things work in this province. You know that when the French press has it out for you. Better start planning to put your house up for sale.
I wish he would bang my ex-wife. Maybe she would lighten up about always wanting more child support every month.
Outside of hockey. He is a turd of person. My girlfriend (who is the exact opposite of me. A real see the positive in everyone and thinks that everyone is a good person) works at one of the hospitals here.
She deals with all of the Habs. She says they are all great. Very nice, polite and accommodating to the staff and the people that they see. Not Bergevin. He is arrogant. Talks down to everyone and he acts like his shit don't stink.
Always bitching at all the staff about every single thing and refuses to acknowledge anyone (unless he is complaining to them) or answer questions from anyone except the Habs doctor.
My girlfriend (Ms.Happy-Positive) even called him an asshole.
And I agree it's somewhat inconsistent, but GM of the year is the only award that gets voted on during the playoffs (after the second round) but I agree with it because who gives a shit about the GM when the team wins Presidents Cup but loses 1st round (especially if healthy).
I think teams underestimated the fact the North had a lot of parity, not that is sucked, and maybe not juggernauts other than the mentally weak Maple Leafs, but all solid teams. They had the "best worst team" in any division.
hockey should be about the playoffs.
and the ifs and buts mean nothing to me. If JPP doesn't block a FG in Dallas the Giants likely miss the playoffs, instead they won a SB. if DeSean Jackson doesn't miraculously return a punt for a TD ending a miraculous comeback the GB Packers would have been eliminated from the playoffs. Instead? Super Bowl champs. A lot of stuff happens in sports where you can say but....it doesn't matter.
And I agree it's somewhat inconsistent, but GM of the year is the only award that gets voted on during the playoffs (after the second round) but I agree with it because who gives a shit about the GM when the team wins Presidents Cup but loses 1st round (especially if healthy).
I think teams underestimated the fact the North had a lot of parity, not that is sucked, and maybe not juggernauts other than the mentally weak Maple Leafs, but all solid teams. They had the "best worst team" in any division.
hockey should be about the playoffs.
I can agree with that. Just get in.
I am too sure that the two teams that ended up 16th and 17th overall (Rangers and Stars) who finished ahead of the Habs would agree because of "special circumstances" not giving them a chance to play because they were placed in stronger divisions.
Anyway. It is done with. The right team of the two won. I am excited to see who Seattle takes and who the Canes get to fill those holes.
Unbridled, irrational and seething hatred.
It's completely rational! Won't disputed the unbridled and seething part, though.
that's a great deal.
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it sounds like they may trade Leddy ahead of the expansion draft to clear cap and make sure they don't lose him for nothing (per Staple), and though a Leddy to Chara swap would certainly decrease their speed, for 1 year I think he'd be a nice addition (assuming he's willing to take a smallish 1 year deal to play for a contender).
You'll know if a Leddy trade is coming down the pike if you see Greene signed. They need to have a D to expose in the expansion draft and they won't if they trade Leddy and don't sign/acquire anyone else.
I think that's wrong - assuming they go 7-3-1 the 3 D they are going to protect are almost definitely Pulock, Pelech (RFA), and Mayfield. Which is why Leddy is the odd man out in the first place.
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it sounds like they may trade Leddy ahead of the expansion draft to clear cap and make sure they don't lose him for nothing (per Staple), and though a Leddy to Chara swap would certainly decrease their speed, for 1 year I think he'd be a nice addition (assuming he's willing to take a smallish 1 year deal to play for a contender).
You'll know if a Leddy trade is coming down the pike if you see Greene signed. They need to have a D to expose in the expansion draft and they won't if they trade Leddy and don't sign/acquire anyone else.
I think that's wrong - assuming they go 7-3-1 the 3 D they are going to protect are almost definitely Pulock, Pelech (RFA), and Mayfield. Which is why Leddy is the odd man out in the first place.
But there is a requirement that at least one defenseman who meets certain NHL game played requirements is exposed. The only other defenseman on the roster meeting that is Dobson, and he is ineligible to be taken. Greene and Coburn are free agents, and Hockey hasn’t played enough the past two years.
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I think it's possible, but only if someone overpays them. He's a Vezina candidate who has played well in the playoffs signed reasonably with 2 years remaining (5m AAV). I don't see Lou trading a known quantity for a 2nd, or even a combo of 2nds/3rds. Maybe at the deadline if Sorokin steps up and takes control.
I do think Lou will somehow leverage the expansion draft to cut 3-5m in salary. Leddy is the obvious name who will be exposed but I'm not sure he's a good fit for an expansion team with only 1 year left. More likely I think they attach a draft pick to move out a contract.
Like others I'd be pretty surprised if Parise doesn't end up an Islander. Not sure if addig him and getting Lee/Wahlstrom healthy is enough to get by Tampa but i'm also not sure it's not enough. Especially if Tampa finally deals with their cap situation.
I know it's pissing where I eat, but assuming NYR did qualify for SCP, notwithstanding the strong Division and hence poorer regular season record, vs. e.g., North, I cannot conceive of an opponent NYR would be competitive against, except, perhaps, Habs, and that's not to denigrate them, but that would imo have been their only salvageable matchup. And Rangers would have been long gone before the finals.
7F - Barzal, Lee, Bailey, Eberle, JGP, Nelson, Beau
3D - Pulock, Pelech, Mayfield
1G - Varlamov
after the playoffs I dont think any of the choices are all that questionable. Those are the obvious 11 to protect. Mayfield's contract is too big of a steal to not protect.
That leaves Leddy as the only true regular exposed, though with only 1 year left I'm not sure Seattle picks him. I think Koivula and Bellows are the 2 most likely losses. Though I think the most likely outcome is Lou gives Seattle a draft pick to take Ladd off their hands.
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Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
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Breaking News: According to @RussoHockey
#MNWild Kirill Kaprizov has reportedly turned down a $9M x 8 contract.
Reports are that he wants a shorter term (4-5 years) because he sees himself as a $10M-$11M player in the future.
Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
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Breaking News: According to @RussoHockey
#MNWild Kirill Kaprizov has reportedly turned down a $9M x 8 contract.
Reports are that he wants a shorter term (4-5 years) because he sees himself as a $10M-$11M player in the future.
Yeesh. I mean he's probably right, but yeesh.
he's risking injury, poor play, etc.
I would take the $72M, but I'm also not as cool as Kiril
@Rontzeeez
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Per Renaud Lavoie's sources
Shea Weber won't be protected in the Expansion draft and its regarding an injury that may keep him out for a while heading into 2022
@renlavoietva
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I’m hearing the @CanadiensMTL won't protect Shea Weber for the expansion draft. Following the latest medical evaluations, he could miss all of next season. If not more.
Pierre LeBrun
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Further to what @renlavoietva
reported, can report that there’s concern for Shea Weber over knee, ankle and thumb injuries. May not play next season. Habs haven’t made any final decisions on expansion draft yet but seems likely they won’t protect him. Weber saw doc today.
If his injuries are in fact career threatening the Predators best play might just be acquiring Weber in a trade and keeping him on LTIR the next 5 years - like was done with Chris Pronger.
I don't understand how all this works and I hope Weber's career isn't over, but it is a unique situation to monitor.
@DarrenDreger
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Sources say the Maple Leafs have granted Zach Hyman’s agent, Todd Reynolds permission to speak with other NHL clubs to investigate trading his rights.
I don't know what happened in Florida, but Yandle produced ~0.5 PPG last year. He's still a pretty solid player.
they only have 16 skaters under contract.
if they add a market rate starting G the cap room they have is going to dry up quick.
no first round pick.
and as we all know almost half of their cap is tied up in Matthews, Marner, and Tavares (who has a full NMC).
If they want to do anything it would seem almost certain Nylander would have to go. But is there a big enough move they can make with him as a headliner?
I know this is off the wall bonkers but I think there'd be some logic in a Tavares back to the NYI deal for both sides and I'd guess it'd be one of the few teams Tavares would ok - but obviously the odds of something like that happening are probably less than .0000001%.
I believe they will gain $6M (and have $10.4M in space) once Boychuk is approved by the league for LTIR.
I don't know the approval process or how long it takes but teams have to apply for LTIR relief.
just browsing capfriendly it looks like right now Boychuk's 6m salary is currently counted in their 77m payroll total - so I think you are right. When the window opens to move Boychuk to LTIR they will gain 6m, so if those numbers are all right they currently have closer to 9 or 10m in free space (including Green's bonus).
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they only have 16 skaters under contract.
if they add a market rate starting G the cap room they have is going to dry up quick.
no first round pick.
and as we all know almost half of their cap is tied up in Matthews, Marner, and Tavares (who has a full NMC).
If they want to do anything it would seem almost certain Nylander would have to go. But is there a big enough move they can make with him as a headliner?
I know this is off the wall bonkers but I think there'd be some logic in a Tavares back to the NYI deal for both sides and I'd guess it'd be one of the few teams Tavares would ok - but obviously the odds of something like that happening are probably less than .0000001%.
I think they roll with Campbell again he was better than Andersen and most of their not under contract players are role players except Hyman - who is meh.
I think TBL has a rough cap situation. Can't LTIR Kucherov again.
7F - Barzal, Lee, Bailey, Eberle, JGP, Nelson, Beau
3D - Pulock, Pelech, Mayfield
1G - Varlamov
after the playoffs I dont think any of the choices are all that questionable. Those are the obvious 11 to protect. Mayfield's contract is too big of a steal to not protect.
That leaves Leddy as the only true regular exposed, though with only 1 year left I'm not sure Seattle picks him. I think Koivula and Bellows are the 2 most likely losses. Though I think the most likely outcome is Lou gives Seattle a draft pick to take Ladd off their hands. Islanders protected list: Who’s staying and who could be picked in the Seattle Kraken expansion draft? - ( New Window )
I think we are talking past each other a little bit.
I agree that the list Staple posted is the list the Isles would protect with no changes. But that assumes Leddy is still on the team and unprotected. The rule on who is exposed includes the following:
"One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons."
If they protect Pelech, Pulock and Mayfield (which they will) but Leddy is traded, someone needs to be on the roster who meets that criteria. Without Leddy, they would not meet that requirement.
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i saw a tweet stating the Isles after the overages penalty not have like 4.4 million under the cap but that they will gain 6 mill when they LTIR boychuk again, is this true? I just assumed his 6 million was already added in the cap number for this upcoming season
just browsing capfriendly it looks like right now Boychuk's 6m salary is currently counted in their 77m payroll total - so I think you are right. When the window opens to move Boychuk to LTIR they will gain 6m, so if those numbers are all right they currently have closer to 9 or 10m in free space (including Green's bonus). https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/islanders - ( New Window )
well that makes our situation a little less worse than it seemed. now unload leddy and hopefully eberle taken in draft maybe we can have around 18 mill to play with. Bring in Parise and hopefully Suter together on the cheap and just resign pelech, beauv and casey and lets go!
Andy Strickland
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Hearing Taylor Hall return to #NHLBruins is moving in that direction.
Pelech: $5.5M AAV
Beauvilier: $4.5M AAV
Sorokin: $2.8M AAV
That leaves $8.6 in cap space. That will likely to to Cizikas ($2M AAV) and a replacement for Leddy (figure $3M AAV). Now you have between $3M and $4M which is not much space to re-sign a guy like Palmieri.
I wonder if he gets moved again.
I wonder if he gets moved again.
I think LL will entice Francis to take a forward. I also expect some type of fuckery to exile Ladd's cap hit.
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I’m not itching to give up Leddy (or Varlamov) but the team has to be cap complaint. If you keep Leddy then you probably have to trade draft picks to unload Ladd and you also lose Eberle and Cizikas and don’t have the cap space (or the draft picks) to really replace them.
It’s a hard spot.
This i agree with completely. I expect they will overpay on term and he'll take less aav. If someone throws 3.5 us you say good luck.
The cliff is rapidly approaching for all of them unfortunately. I wish they could be bubble wrapped and unleashed in the post season.
The will only move Leddy if they acquire a defenseman back, or feel there are enough in free agency at a lesser price that they can live with. I think trading him is a last resort because they expect they may lose him for no compensation in the expansion draft.
Charlie Leddy.
His uncle Brian and I played in High School together - Brian was a line mate of Martin St. Louis at UVM.
His father Scott is a few years older than me, but good dude, known the family my whole life. I'm pulling for this kid. On the US U17 team for now, BC commit for 2022.
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neither are Sorokin or Wahlstrom. Here's a link to Staple's most recent projection from about a month ago with the 7-3-1 protection list:
7F - Barzal, Lee, Bailey, Eberle, JGP, Nelson, Beau
3D - Pulock, Pelech, Mayfield
1G - Varlamov
after the playoffs I dont think any of the choices are all that questionable. Those are the obvious 11 to protect. Mayfield's contract is too big of a steal to not protect.
That leaves Leddy as the only true regular exposed, though with only 1 year left I'm not sure Seattle picks him. I think Koivula and Bellows are the 2 most likely losses. Though I think the most likely outcome is Lou gives Seattle a draft pick to take Ladd off their hands. Islanders protected list: Who’s staying and who could be picked in the Seattle Kraken expansion draft? - ( New Window )
I think we are talking past each other a little bit.
I agree that the list Staple posted is the list the Isles would protect with no changes. But that assumes Leddy is still on the team and unprotected. The rule on who is exposed includes the following:
"One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons."
If they protect Pelech, Pulock and Mayfield (which they will) but Leddy is traded, someone needs to be on the roster who meets that criteria. Without Leddy, they would not meet that requirement.
But at this point there's no reason to assume Leddy isn't on the team. Unless someone just blows them away with a first round pick or something (which seems highly unlikely).
It's also why I suspect the NYI will try to just bribe SEA into taking some salary off their hands with a draft pick (Komarov or Ladd). If that happens there's no issue with protection rules, no reason to fear losing Leddy, and post-draft were so inclined they could trade Leddy to bring back a pick. Komarov only has 1 year @ 3m left so that would be a pretty easy contract to absorb and a pretty cheap way to add a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Possibly even adding the pick along with 1 of the players they may have selected any way (like Koivula or Bellows).
I don't know if I'd call it below market but it's certainly fair market. When you are pushing for a cup and up against cap tough decisions have to be made (like Toews last year) and this is one that could go either way. The rule Mike pointed out makes me think it's very unlikely he gets dealt before the expansion draft though.
So you must view that Carlo deal as very team friendly, no?
Sure, he doesn't skate like Leddy, but he's a beast in his own zone and he's much younger.
Bruins hopefully get crushed on the McAvoy contract.