The expansion draft is 7/21.
Next Sunday (7/18) protected lists will be made public
NHL Draft is 7/23 - 7/24
Free Agency opens 7/28
a lot of movement will happen IMO b/c of a lot of factors including the flat cap - teams with cap space can make out like bandits just for taking a bad contract. Tarasenko, Eichel, and more could have new homes not even considering movement to help with the expansion draft or free agency.
This article linked below from THW is great, not sure there is a ton of accuracy to it, but it's still a fun read.
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5.5 is below market for his contribution. All the emotional nonsense takes from fans aside, he's a valuable 2nd pairing guy. You aren't replacing his skills for less money
So you must view that Carlo deal as very team friendly, no?
Sure, he doesn't skate like Leddy, but he's a beast in his own zone and he's much younger.
Bruins hopefully get crushed on the McAvoy contract.
Very team friendly, I'm hoping it keeps Pelech's # down.
Apples and oranges with Leddy. The market for defensive guys and Puck movers is very different. 40 point guys get a lot more $$.
McAvoy is a 40-pt player, plays the hard minutes, and is defensively solid.
I loved him in juniors and knew somehow he'd wind up a Bruin.
At least he's a Giants fan.
McAvoy is a 40-pt player, plays the hard minutes, and is defensively solid.
I loved him in juniors and knew somehow he'd wind up a Bruin.
At least he's a Giants fan.
And he grew up a Rangers fan
I wonder if he gets moved again.
Does anyone like playing under Torts? He reminds me a lot of Parcells. Fun to hear in press conferences and delivers shorter term but always wears out his welcome. Major difference is players liked Parcells.
You have to think they'll protect him now. We hy sign a guy to a 2 year deal then expose him? Good I like what I saw out if him this past season. He can be a part of the future when we get good hopefully.
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The Devils acquired defenseman Ryan Graves for Mikhail Maltsev and a second round pick. It’s a lot to give up, but the Devils badly needed a defenseman and Graves gives them some physicality, size and defense on the blue line. It’s a good acquisition for Jersey.
Chris Bigras.
Chris Bigras.
Yep. One of the worst trades made by Gorton.
@AbbeyMastracco
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The Devils acquired defenseman Ryan Graves for Mikhail Maltsev and a second round pick. It’s a lot to give up, but the Devils badly needed a defenseman and Graves gives them some physicality, size and defense on the blue line. It’s a good acquisition for Jersey.
This is a great trade for the Devils. They took advantage of a team with cap concerns to acquire a solid 2nd pairing defender.
@AbbeyMastracco
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The Devils acquired defenseman Ryan Graves for Mikhail Maltsev and a second round pick. It’s a lot to give up, but the Devils badly needed a defenseman and Graves gives them some physicality, size and defense on the blue line. It’s a good acquisition for Jersey.
Interesting deal. Trying to getvaxread on him from Avs fans on Twitter and its bizarre. Half live him, half think he's a bum. They were probably gonna lose him to the Kracken. I like it from the Devs standpoint as it's a definite upgrade on our 2nd d pairing. I like Maktsev but we have a ton of young fwds with upside. The 2nd rounder is the Isles 2nd.
Interesting deal. Trying to getvaxread on him from Avs fans on Twitter and its bizarre. Half live him, half think he's a bum. They were probably gonna lose him to the Kracken. I like it from the Devs standpoint as it's a definite upgrade on our 2nd d pairing. I like Maktsev but we have a ton of young fwds with upside. The 2nd rounder is the Isles 2nd.
There is a 100% chance that the Kraken would have taken him. He likely would be their top pairing LD so the Avs wisely got something for him rather than lose him for nothing.
I think that it's obvious that Butcher will be exposed and is more than likely going to be selected by Seattle.
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Interesting deal. Trying to getvaxread on him from Avs fans on Twitter and its bizarre. Half live him, half think he's a bum. They were probably gonna lose him to the Kracken. I like it from the Devs standpoint as it's a definite upgrade on our 2nd d pairing. I like Maktsev but we have a ton of young fwds with upside. The 2nd rounder is the Isles 2nd.
There is a 100% chance that the Kraken would have taken him. He likely would be their top pairing LD so the Avs wisely got something for him rather than lose him for nothing.
I think that it's obvious that Butcher will be exposed and is more than likely going to be selected by Seattle.
Yep Butcher and PK are sure to be exposed now. Now I think.the Devs target some vet scoring and grit at fwd. A Blake Coleman reunion wouldn't shock me.
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Interesting deal. Trying to getvaxread on him from Avs fans on Twitter and its bizarre. Half live him, half think he's a bum. They were probably gonna lose him to the Kracken. I like it from the Devs standpoint as it's a definite upgrade on our 2nd d pairing. I like Maktsev but we have a ton of young fwds with upside. The 2nd rounder is the Isles 2nd.
There is a 100% chance that the Kraken would have taken him. He likely would be their top pairing LD so the Avs wisely got something for him rather than lose him for nothing.
I think that it's obvious that Butcher will be exposed and is more than likely going to be selected by Seattle.
Yep Butcher and PK are sure to be exposed now. Now I think.the Devs target some vet scoring and grit at fwd. A Blake Coleman reunion wouldn't shock me.
That would be great at the right price/term.
I also wouldn't mind adding more veteran experience to the locker room. Zach Parise on a 1 year $1.5-2 million dollar deal would add much needed leadership. Also If the Devils lose Butcher in the expansion draft and Ryan Murray walks as expected then I wouldn't mind bringing in Ryan Suter on a 1-2 year deal. Draft Luke Hughes at 4 and let him develop for a year or two at Michigan. Suter could be the stopgap until Hughes is ready.
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In a perplexing move, the Dallas Stars came to an agreement with goaltender Ben Bishop to waive his No-Movement Clause with the intention of the Stars protecting Anton Khudobin in the upcoming expansion draft.
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Things can change with a phone call, but sources say there really hasn’t been any movement lately in the Landeskog negotiations.
Give Seattle a future first to take Ladd (and maybe another pick to take Komarov too).
Then trade 1 of Leddy or Eberle for whatever.
I would think that 10m+ saved gets them close to being able to fit him in without having to move Varlamov.
Give Seattle a future first to take Ladd (and maybe another pick to take Komarov too).
Then trade 1 of Leddy or Eberle for whatever.
I would think that 10m+ saved gets them close to being able to fit him in without having to move Varlamov.
Komarov has only 1 year left and he could play 4C if Koivula isn't ready and you let Cizikas go. Ladd and Eberle are the contracts they really need to get out from under.
but they only have half their roster filled, and legitimate contributors unsigned (Makar for example - who is an RFA but still) and no goalies under contracts except Francouz who is mediocre and only under contract for next year.
Plus MacKinnon is a UFA after next year (2023) - that's a long way away but not that long when you imagine what hose numbers will look like.
so one can dream....
My guess is they are probably trying to move Hickey out for his $2.5M much more strenuously than trying to move Komarov.
I think there is a very good chance Seattle takes Leddy (without a side deal) so moving Eberle as well could put them in a better spot to re-sign the RFAs and add a piece as needed.
Makar is going to get a big deal.
Got to think those 2 could eat up close to half of their current space and then they still have ~10 roster spots to fill.
resigning Landeskog for more than 7m would make things real tight. And that's before the obvious massive extension with Mackinnon which is likely to be due pretty soon.
Makar is going to get a big deal.
Got to think those 2 could eat up close to half of their current space and then they still have ~10 roster spots to fill.
resigning Landeskog for more than 7m would make things real tight. And that's before the obvious massive extension with Mackinnon which is likely to be due pretty soon.
Agree, that's what I said above.
Makar is an RFA though, they do not have to give him a big deal and if someone submits an offer sheet they'd have to match it. They may give him a big deal, but also have the option of a bridge deal.
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but if he hits FA I think Lamoriello would move a lot of pieces around to try to accommodate adding Landeskog. Can't think of too many players who would potentially fit better next to Barzal and Andy Strickland had the NYI on the list of teams he'd be interested in.
Give Seattle a future first to take Ladd (and maybe another pick to take Komarov too).
Then trade 1 of Leddy or Eberle for whatever.
I would think that 10m+ saved gets them close to being able to fit him in without having to move Varlamov.
Komarov has only 1 year left and he could play 4C if Koivula isn't ready and you let Cizikas go. Ladd and Eberle are the contracts they really need to get out from under.
I'm pretty confident they will ship out Komarov to someone with a 2nd and 3rd (could be seattle, unless they really want to add Leddy or Bellows). If someone overpays Czikas i think they bring back Zajac for probably half of what Komarov makes.
Ladd I'm not as sure about but there's also always a chance they find a way to LTIR him. Even without shenanigans if he's proven anything it's that his next injury is never too far away. And I'm not sure how much motivation he will have to play in the AHL since most of his deal has already been paid out via signing bonus.
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Grubauer is a FA coming off Vez votes.
Makar is going to get a big deal.
Got to think those 2 could eat up close to half of their current space and then they still have ~10 roster spots to fill.
resigning Landeskog for more than 7m would make things real tight. And that's before the obvious massive extension with Mackinnon which is likely to be due pretty soon.
Agree, that's what I said above.
Makar is an RFA though, they do not have to give him a big deal and if someone submits an offer sheet they'd have to match it. They may give him a big deal, but also have the option of a bridge deal.
if Gru gets 5-7m and Makar takes a bridge deal (which I suspect wouldn't be too far off that) that's half their space so it's tough even with the bridge. If they intend to a big extension for Makar then it seems very difficult to get Landeskog back.
There has to be a legit injury for LTIR and as of today, Ladd doesn't have one.
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There has to be a legit injury for LTIR and as of today, Ladd doesn't have one.
no question - hence the "his next injury is never far off". I'm not sure Lou will be enthusiastic about giving up a first to dump a contract that there's likely a decent probability gets buried on LTIR at some point over the next 2 years.
let's say resigning Beau + Pelech = 10m.
now let's make a few bigger assumptions.
let's say they attach a pick to dump Komarov. +3m.
lose Leddy either via expansion draft or trade. +5.5m.
They'd have 17 roster spots signed and $9m in cap room. Or 18 if they decide to replace Leddy with Hickey (and 8m in room).
So it would be tight but possible to add someone like Landeskog. But if they did get him they'd likely need to create additional room to resign Sorokin and fill out the roster (Greene, Zeke, Zajac, whoever) by trading Eberle. Or by biting the bullet and giving up a first to get rid of Ladd.
C Evgeny Kuznetsov
C Jack Eichel
D Seth Jones
C Phillip Danault
F Vladimir Tarasenko
F Zach Parise
D Vince Dunn
F Johnny Gaudreau
Possibly moved
C Sam Reinhart
C Nolan Patrick
F Gabriel Landeskog
D Oliver Ekman-Larsson
F Patrick Laine
let's say resigning Beau + Pelech = 10m.
now let's make a few bigger assumptions.
let's say they attach a pick to dump Komarov. +3m.
lose Leddy either via expansion draft or trade. +5.5m.
They'd have 17 roster spots signed and $9m in cap room. Or 18 if they decide to replace Leddy with Hickey (and 8m in room).
So it would be tight but possible to add someone like Landeskog. But if they did get him they'd likely need to create additional room to resign Sorokin and fill out the roster (Greene, Zeke, Zajac, whoever) by trading Eberle. Or by biting the bullet and giving up a first to get rid of Ladd.
You're right that to fit Landeskog they would need to trade Eberle, I'm just not sure how easy that will be. 3 years @ $5.5 AAV on the wrong side of 30 isn't ideal.
It sucks when every trade your imagining for your team doesn't involve getting anything back.
C Evgeny Kuznetsov
C Jack Eichel
D Seth Jones
C Phillip Danault
F Vladimir Tarasenko
F Zach Parise
D Vince Dunn
F Johnny Gaudreau
Possibly moved
C Sam Reinhart
C Nolan Patrick
F Gabriel Landeskog
D Oliver Ekman-Larsson
F Patrick Laine
lol, I really have no idea at this point on almost anyone.
Parise to NYI seems to be a favorite rumor
Seth Jones to the Flyers had steam for a while
Eichel to NYR was discussed, but also ARI
Tarasenko has a list of contenders apparently
I think Danault stays in MTL - he showed his value in the playoffs for the most part shutting down the Matthews line and the Stone line - as well as limiting Brayden Point (Point had two even strength points in 5 games) but who knows he may have priced himself off the Habs.
But Shea Weber changes everything in MTL.
Also, and more importantly for much of this projected movement I think the expansion draft is an important variable so we won't know much about FA movement until we see who is taken (creating holes) and creating cap room potentially.
Expansion draft lists are due tomorrow by 5pm so not sure we see many more trades, but if we do they'll be in the next 24 hours. Sunday the lists are made public.
I'd really like the NHL to do away with protection lists altogether. Or significantly limit them to guys with NMC and perhaps 2 or 3 more core pieces.
I'd really like the NHL to do away with protection lists altogether. Or significantly limit them to guys with NMC and perhaps 2 or 3 more core pieces.
No protection list? Being able to take a Connor McDavid from another team would be awful for the sport and the fans.
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I don't really expect any surprises during the expansion draft. Teams have gotten exceedingly good at manipulating rosters ahead of these.
I'd really like the NHL to do away with protection lists altogether. Or significantly limit them to guys with NMC and perhaps 2 or 3 more core pieces.
No protection list? Being able to take a Connor McDavid from another team would be awful for the sport and the fans.
Perhaps I could have articulated my point better. I think a team should only able to protect 5-6 players max. If you have 6 players with NMC, then you cannot protect anyone else. Using the NYR as an example, we have Panarin, Kreider, Zibby and Trouba on NMC. In such a situation, they would be able to protect 2 more players or make arrangements with the expansion to not select a player by forking over draft picks. Perhaps make it 6 + 1 goalie.
The entire point is to establish a new franchise and it's in the NHL's best interest to ensure that new team can be reasonably competitive quickly. Parity is key.
Currently, every NHL team is allowed to protect 11 players, not including those with NMC. Practically their entire roster leaving the new team forced to select JAG 4th liners and albatross contracts.
I also think an expansion team should automatically select first overall and picks #2 on down are a lottery. There's no way Buffalo is more deserving of the top pick than a team that doesn't yet have a single player under contract.
It seems almost you are combining protecting and exposing rules.
Greg Wyshynski and Emily Kaplan on EPSN do a great job explaining it (and I'm not saying it's right or wrong).
It's not you can protect n players "in addition to your NMC players" - the players with a NMC HAVE to be protected and count against your total so having a roster full of players with NMC (like MTL) hurts you. Players with a NTC can be exposed.
There are minimum requirements for players exposed in the expansion draft. There must be at least two forwards and one defenseman exposed who are under contract for the 2021-22 season who played at least 40 games last season or 70 games over the last two seasons; and one goalie exposed who is under contract for the 2021-22 season or will be a restricted free agent this offseason -- as long as that pending RFA goalie has received his qualifying offer this summer.
One important thing to remember for these requirements: Players who have "potential career-ending injuries" that have missed more than 60 straight games -- or have a confirmed career-threatening injury -- can't be used to satisfy a team's player exposure requirement unless the NHL signs off on it.
Kaplan: If a player has a no-trade clause, he can be exposed. If a player has a no-movement clause, he must be protected -- unless he agrees to waive it for the purpose of being exposed. There's already an example of at least one player doing this: Calgary Flames veteran forward Milan Lucic.
The 32-year-old, who has two years remaining on his seven-year contract, said he loves it in Calgary and wants to stay with the Flames, but agreed to waive his no-movement clause so that the team can prioritize protecting other players....
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I don't really expect any surprises during the expansion draft. Teams have gotten exceedingly good at manipulating rosters ahead of these.
I'd really like the NHL to do away with protection lists altogether. Or significantly limit them to guys with NMC and perhaps 2 or 3 more core pieces.
No protection list? Being able to take a Connor McDavid from another team would be awful for the sport and the fans.
Perhaps I could have articulated my point better. I think a team should only able to protect 5-6 players max. If you have 6 players with NMC, then you cannot protect anyone else. Using the NYR as an example, we have Panarin, Kreider, Zibby and Trouba on NMC. In such a situation, they would be able to protect 2 more players or make arrangements with the expansion to not select a player by forking over draft picks. Perhaps make it 6 + 1 goalie.
The entire point is to establish a new franchise and it's in the NHL's best interest to ensure that new team can be reasonably competitive quickly. Parity is key.
Currently, every NHL team is allowed to protect 11 players, not including those with NMC. Practically their entire roster leaving the new team forced to select JAG 4th liners and albatross contracts.
I also think an expansion team should automatically select first overall and picks #2 on down are a lottery. There's no way Buffalo is more deserving of the top pick than a team that doesn't yet have a single player under contract.
I am not sure that cutting down to 7 is any better because that basically means they can form a team of 4 2nd lines and 3 2nd D pairings. That is too overpowered.
Using the draft simulator at Capfriendly (with some modifications), there are some interesting younger players who might have some potential with added playing time that teams are going to have to make available.
Perhaps once all of the lists are in we can have everyone post their Kraken Mock Draft using the same rules of 20 contracts. I know my biggest issue is I am NEVER near the salary floor Seattle has to have if I take my top player from each time trying to meet the other rules. There are a number of interesting inexpensive goalies in particular that will make it possible for Seattle to absorb some bad contracts at forward.
At goalie, for example, St. Louis has to expose Ville Husso because otherwise they are losing Binnington. Husso only has a $750,000 cap hit and is a UFA after 2022 so he counts as someone under contract for next year. Washington has to expose either impending RFA Ilya Samsonov or RFA after 2022 Vitek Vanecek. Each of whom are currently making under $1,000,000 per year. Samsonov will get a raise, but I doubt it will be a dealbeaker. Washington is one team that I could see having to give a lot to Seattle to get them to take one of their D (Orlov, Kempney, or Jensen) or take on Oshie's contract
The Islanders will likely expose both Jordan Eberle and Nick Leddy, who are productive veterans each with contracts around $5.5M AAV. Eberle is a top six player and reliable 20 goal scorer (31 years old), and Leddy puts up 40 points a year from the blueline (30 years old). Both could be useful pieces on an expansion team looking to be competitive.
I don't think expansion happens often enough for me to have a good opinion on how it should work.
I don't hate expansion like some curmudgeonly purists, but I also don't have any great ideas how I would change it.
I think the quick success of LVG should maybe give some evidence that it worked. and it's not like LVG was one and done, they're still good.
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Full trade:
#Isles send Nick Leddy to DET for a 2021 2nd (52nd overall) and F Richard Panik. DET retains half of Panik's $2.75-million salary. Panik has two years left on his deal.
Depends on the other options available to them.
Eberle would be a good fit IMO on an expansion team- solid veteran, helps get them to the cap floor.
@StapeAthletic
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With about 20 hours to go until expansion protected lists are due, the #Isles currently have no eligible defensemen to leave unprotected -- each team must have at least one signed D who played 27 NHL games last season on the unprotected list.
So there's another move coming.
Would be really excited if all of this was being done with the idea that Landeskog is a viable get.
If we add a 3rd to DETs second we might be able to get them to take Ladd. Would surely be enough for Hickey or Komorov.
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The trade freeze is at 5pm ET tomorrow