Ownership has taken a lot of heat for the state of the team the past several years, and for good reason. The final years of Eli's career were wasted by bad coaching hires and poor decision making with a reboot that came too late (Reese was kept too long, 2018 was a bad year for the FO on so many levels, etc.)
One of the big criticisms was a tired old thinking trying to recreate past victories falling back into what worked in the past. So now we are here now and although the team has yet to prove something, there is a much different feel about this team and the direction they are headed. A lot of that stems form what Joe Judge is building, which is a complete overhaul of the football program. Judge himself was an outside hire, not a stay within your confort zone hire. They could have selected a retread like they did in Dallas or gone the X's and Os coordinator route to groom the young QB like they did with Shurmur or run the defense. They didn't. They took a shot on a guy on the basis of the qualities he has as a leader, his vision, attention to detail, and ability to communicate, and trusted him with the massive responsibility for rebuilding the program. Smartly, the first thing he did was overhaul the exceedingly deficient coaching staff and his abilities of persuasion and as a leader allowed him to sell several former head coaches far his senior to come on board. That in itself tells you a lot about the man they hired.
This may not work out for the team. We all know there are so many things that can go wrong, many being circumstantial. But in my view, I feel it is safe to say, whether it works out or not, though I am assuming it will, ownership deserves a bit of credit here for finally getting this one right. Particularly with respect to having the courage to step outside of their comfort zone, set aside media skepticism and take a chance on a relatively unknown candidate who did't have a lot of pins on his resume to CYA when he fails. That's the sort of thinking we need from ownership and has been very much lacking ---up until this point. As much as Mara and co. deserve the criticism that has been thrown their way the past few years, they also deserve a lot of credit for the optimism that's growing in the building.
The Giants were fucked so many different ways once they tried transitioning from Coughlin you can't even list them all here in one post. I can try though. They had a clown at HC. A stubborn GM in Reese with little to no synergy with said clown show coaching staff. An older QB who couldn't stem the tide of shit about to overrun the franchise. A front running house of cards defense that was highly paid and not easily purgeable, at least not overnight. And the team's best player, Beckham, was about to suffer back to back injuries.
The only stable element about that team was Eli. So he made a lot money. He wasn't the problem. I find it curious that so many think a young QB not named Jones would just walk in here and cover up all the warts that Eli couldn't cover up. I question how toxic or comfy that NYG franchise was from 17-19. We've seen good QBs shit the bed on bad teams before only to go elsewhere and flourish. Not sure anything is growing here under Shurmur and it sure as hell wasn't under McAdoo.
All in the past now.
The front office made their decisions to stick with him, keep paying him and keep playing him.
And it didn't help anything.
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In comment 15305713 joeinpa said:
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In comment 15305638 Go Terps said:
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My point in response to some posts above was about the Giants sticking with Eli too long, and a consequence of that being that we missed out on drafting 3 QBs that are considered in NFL circles to be top 10 at the position. That may be the biggest price the Giants paid for Eli not wearing another uniform.
Terps is right on this one.
I don't think he is right. Who were the Giants going to take in the 2018 draft. I didn't think any of those qbs was worth the #2 pick and neither did the Giants. Darnold was who was being touted around here, and everywhere else, you want to tell me that picking Darnold or Rosen would have made a difference. Allen was not a favored pick and not likely a number 2 pick, as much as I personally liked him -- but he was raw when he was picked and may or may not have been a better pick than Jones. There was no buy in on a QB in that draft or they would have taken one, and it turns out the picks all would have been at the very least controversial. Was Mahommes on the Giants radar? Who knows.
Who knows if the Giants had properly staffed the oline if Eli wouldn't have had better seasons -- the real problem was that Reese did not do a good job of placing support staff around eli on the line -- I don't think Eli was washed up as much as he was thrown under the bus for the sins of this failure
He s absolutely right. The Giants passed on quarterbacks that turned out to be pretty good. That s just a fact.
So did 30 other teams -- if the QB doesn't have the value on your draft board -- you don't pick him - that doesn't mean you missed them -- that means that your evaluations weren't correct, or even that that particular athlete wasn't a fit with your program.
They also passed on DEs, ERs, RBs, WRs, Ols, LBs, CBs, SSs that were pretty good -- so I don't understand how this is relevant or meaningful -- Sticking with Eli isn't the issue -- the issue is the valuations you place on players in the draft
Considering you've said that we've passed on Allen - isn't that a completely contradictory statement? Allen's college production didn't keep you from saying he's the better choice (in retrospect of course).
And again I'll point to Jones's poor collegiate production relative to other drafted quarterbacks in the past decade. So why did the Giants draft him? Was it because Accorsi saw some Bert Jones in him when he lost his last home game 59-7 to Wake Forest?
And again I'll point to Jones's poor collegiate production relative to other drafted quarterbacks in the past decade. So why did the Giants draft him? Was it because Accorsi saw some Bert Jones in him when he lost his last home game 59-7 to Wake Forest?
This outstanding talent evaluation of a QB with less than 2 years in the NFL trenches is right on par with your most excellent cites using ESPN as your authority -- call Jordan Raanan right away -- they need more panic stricken chicken little prognosticators at ESPN now -- it sells clicks and you'll fit right in
That's an irrelevant and disingenuous response.
Terps is asking a question about his college production. Why can't you just answer that?
Great observation. I posted it above, the most interesting next development will be if the current offensive thesis doesn't produce this year (Jones/Barkley especially) -- will the Giants:
A) Hold onto or invest further these fan favorite, high picks
B) Surgically, and unsentimentally reset
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Dwelling on the past is just tedious.
Great observation. I posted it above, the most interesting next development will be if the current offensive thesis doesn't produce this year (Jones/Barkley especially) -- will the Giants:
A) Hold onto or invest further these fan favorite, high picks
B) Surgically, and unsentimentally reset
Yup. That's 2021 in a nutshell.
And again I'll point to Jones's poor collegiate production relative to other drafted quarterbacks in the past decade. So why did the Giants draft him? Was it because Accorsi saw some Bert Jones in him when he lost his last home game 59-7 to Wake Forest?
Another aspect you continually downplay is Jones talent. The guy ran faster than any QB in something like 10 years. You don't do that with little talent. And again with the comparison to Allen. His college production was subpar. And he had a far worse completion rate as Jones, to go along with less stats in several categories. In the MWC vs the ACC.
The Giants were in position for a playoff spot last year in the mighty NFCE, and Jones’ injury while running certainly played a major part in not being able to reach that goal.
Not suggesting Giants shouldn’t take advantage of that part of Jones’ makeup but with that comes missed games. So you better have a coaching staff and offense that can adapt and a decent backup QB to hold down the fort. Do we?