Engram named eighth-best tight end by ESPN

He’d hold onto the ball better? Just askin’… :)

but the inconsistency should knock him out of the top ten. He's just not reliable.

I think Gesicki is really good and I would take him over EE right now.

object???

he'd be lost somewhere on the bench.

8th best maybe in potential only. And yet this will be season 5...

Right.

Pretty sure most fans feelings are cemented at this point. Dude can’t come up big when it’s all on the line. Reminds me of Ruben Randle in that regard. Middle of the game, Giants have the lead, he makes a circus style catch and run. End of game, need an easy first down to end it, a cupcake delivered by the stork with a parachute just in case, and he drops it.

A very frustrating player. I still have a glimmer of hope that it all comes together as those around him start doing better.

Haha. Yeah, sure. I can't wait for the morning he's Evan Engram, former NY Giant.

that's rated better than him.....

and justifies my prior comments that ESPN is fake sports news.

An NFL tight end needs to be able to do these two things FIRST..
1. Block
2. Catch

Even cannot do either. How he can be rated the 8th best TE in the league is mystifying.

He runs fast for a guy playing his position and has a good positive attitude.

in the NFC East?

Or a vision test?

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maybe

the DBs getting all the easy tipped interceptions?

When he is healthy.
When he isn't dropping the ball.

One more year to fix it, lets all hope he does.

He has power and speed, but he lacks the nimble athleticism and great feet that translate to great hands.....Create and use the mismatches, and STOP ASKING HIM TO PLAY IN LINE!!!

You see him in 1, 2, or 3 games, and it's clear he's an extraordinary athlete for a tight end – quick, fast, and smooth - especially if you see his highlight reel. But if you watch him for a season, you realize how his talent is trumped by his lack of timing, poor route running, indifferent blocking, and awful hands. Teams are obliged to game plan against him, but I doubt many would trade for him.

that those that are making these rankings lists are not watching the actual games and what his mistakes actually led to in the outcome of those contests.

I’m not saying fantasy football is any true barometer of anything, but Engram is going undrafted in most mock drafts and one early real draft I have participated in. Last year he was going in the 6-8 round range. That proves that informed fans of all teams don’t view him as the #8 TE.

In comment 15305933 Rafflee said:

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He has power and speed, but he lacks the nimble athleticism and great feet that translate to great hands.....Create and use the mismatches, and STOP ASKING HIM TO PLAY IN LINE!!!

His style of routes don't force the ball to bounce of his hands so often.

In comment 15305916 myquealer said:

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maybe

8th best in the NFC East. (joke)

In comment 15305939 eric2425ny said:

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that those that are making these rankings lists are not watching the actual games and what his mistakes actually led to in the outcome of those contests. I’m not saying fantasy football is any true barometer of anything, but Engram is going undrafted in most mock drafts and one early real draft I have participated in. Last year he was going in the 6-8 round range. That proves that informed fans of all teams don’t view him as the #8 TE.

It's as if they did the rankings as if he were a rookie and it was based off scouting reports.

It warms my heart to know that their ratings are in the crapper.

in the NFC East?

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about players on other teams, but I wouldn't be too bold about any of them. Why? Because it has been made abundantly clear to me, over a number of seasons, that anyone who does not watch a team for every single game, is faced with a massive gap in knowledge compared to anyone who does. You can't watch four seasons of Evan Engram and even say that he's a good TE. There are 32 teams in the NFL. You are telling me that 24 of them don't have a good TE? Because he is apparently #8 and he is not a good TE. It's just like watching NYG when they bring in an unfamiliar broadcast team. It's not a lot of steps to "I don't have a fucking clue" when it comes to NFL rosters.

In comment 15305982 Dave in Hoboken said:

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It warms my heart to know that their ratings are in the crapper.

How exactly is this a reason not to take ESPN seriously?

From the article... "Engram was named the league’s eighth-best tight end by a group of players, coaches and executives in rankings released today by ESPN."

ESPN didn't do the ranking. Players, coaches and executives did.

He cannot block the position. He’s a sub par blocker at best. At worst he’s an absolute liability. It’s not the 10 plays he gets thrown to that are the biggest problem with him. It’s the 40 plays where he’s supposed to be a football player and doesn’t contribute in any meaningful way.

that our staff likes him, perhaps a lot. Obviously the rest of the league holds him in a much different regard.

Not sure why. Potential is not performance.

seriously.....

Can't catch
Cant't block

So whats left?

Great kid and all but geez....

guy has had some disgusting drops but he's also not being used properly. Garrett better scheme it up for him properly. get this guy going now. enough is enough

In comment 15306014 BBWreckingCrew said:

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guy has had some disgusting drops but he's also not being used properly. Garrett better scheme it up for him properly. get this guy going now. enough is enough

I hear you, but FIRST he has to master holding on to the ball, THEN we can worry about HOW he’s used, imv

In comment 15305866 EricJ said:

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and justifies my prior comments that ESPN is fake sports news. An NFL tight end needs to be able to do these two things FIRST.. 1. Block 2. Catch Even cannot do either. How he can be rated the 8th best TE in the league is mystifying. He runs fast for a guy playing his position and has a good positive attitude.

THIS

In comment 15305866 EricJ said:

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and justifies my prior comments that ESPN is fake sports news. An NFL tight end needs to be able to do these two things FIRST.. 1. Block 2. Catch Even cannot do either. How he can be rated the 8th best TE in the league is mystifying. He runs fast for a guy playing his position and has a good positive attitude.

And he has great hair and a nice smile.

draft day and exchange him for a pick and save the $6M salary. And then use the pick to draft a replacement in the middle rounds. I wonder if that would have been the strategy if Giants got their preferred choice in free agency in Henry Hunter or if Rudolph's foot injury wasn't discovered.

Can you imagine if during the first half of opening game versus the Broncos a ball goes deflecting off his hands for an interception...good lord, you will hear the screams of Giant fans across the country.

Nevertheless, I don't see many scenarios where he remains a NYG after this season...

In comment 15306017 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15306014 BBWreckingCrew said: Quote: guy has had some disgusting drops but he's also not being used properly. Garrett better scheme it up for him properly. get this guy going now. enough is enough I hear you, but FIRST he has to master holding on to the ball, THEN we can worry about HOW he’s used, imv

This is definitely true.

That said, and these guys are not those guys, but I can't blame Judge and Garrett for looking at Rudolph and Engram and thinking that maybe they can replicate a (very) poor man's version of Gronk and Hernandez (minus the whole murder thing).

at dropping passes and tipping them to defenders.

Do believe that he'd do really well with a team like the Chiefs.

Put him in a situation where the offense is wide open and he'd be option #4 or #5, scheme up a few "shots" to him a game and thats it.

While there's value to his talent and skills I think he's proved he just isn't a TE1. More of a gadget player. The Chiefs are a great situation for a guy like that.

we ask KC for a 2nd and 5th, alerting them to ESPN's observation that EE belongs there.

over engram

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What? - ( New Window )

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than this loser

In comment 15306047 Jimmy Googs said:

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draft day and exchange him for a pick and save the $6M salary. And then use the pick to draft a replacement in the middle rounds. I wonder if that would have been the strategy if Giants got their preferred choice in free agency in Henry Hunter or if Rudolph's foot injury wasn't discovered. Can you imagine if during the first half of opening game versus the Broncos a ball goes deflecting off his hands for an interception...good lord, you will hear the screams of Giant fans across the country. Nevertheless, I don't see many scenarios where he remains a NYG after this season...

Totally agree. I thought he was gone via trade on day 2 or 3 of this years draft. Judge must like something about him. My guess is they plan to use him as more of a decoy to open up routes for the guys that can actually catch the ball. I also don’t see them signing him to a long term deal. Doesn’t make sense based on production and lack of consistency.

His numbers say 8-10th best. But everyone is stuck on the big drops... maybe rightfully so. I'd still rather have him than not.

Regarding EE, I wrote a few weeks ago, and we all know this, he is a minus blocker. And, also as we all know, while he can get open he also has a tendency to come up very small in the big spots so you have to rank him as a minus pass catcher. I think we’re all aligned here, EE isn’t a plus player and he’s certainly not a playmaker.

The reason I see TE as a possibly very significant problem for the Giants is two fold. The first is that EE should have been traded. He had real value last season, I assume (yes it’s an assumption and I could be wrong) we could have gotten a draft pick or two for him. And I think that was very clearly the right thing to do. For everyone who thinks Joe Judge is running the Giants personnel decisions or even heavily influencing decisions, this is potentially a wrench. I think it’s fair to assume that Getty has no attachment to Engram. So why then did the Giants keep him? I can only speculate but either there was no trade value or he coaching staff thought EE would eventually produce at a high level. I guess? But, yeah, I don’t think he’s ever going to realize that potential.

Rudolph isn’t a plus player either. At least I don’t think so. He’s more sure handed than Engram, especially in the endzone but that’s not really a high bar of achievement. He’s a better blocker, but here again, it’s not saying much to say he’s better at blocking than EE and he’s undistinguished among the better blockers in the league. At best, to me at least, Rudolph is a neutral player in decline.

And all this bodes ill for DJ8 who could really use a reliable TE1. Think of all the good and great QB1s in the league. Now think of their TEs. TE is an enormously important position in the NFL. And it’s a position of weakness for the Giants. On a team with a really great or even good offensive line you might be able to carry Engram. But, the Giants entire O line is a huge question mark at best. I just don’t understand how Engram is still on this team.

In comment 15306495 DannyDimes said:

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His numbers say 8-10th best. But everyone is stuck on the big drops... maybe rightfully so. I'd still rather have him than not.

His numbers say that huh? What a joke.

Do the numbers factor in his poor run blocking and being an flat out liability in pass protection, offensive pass interference penalties because he can’t execute a pick play without being an idiot, deflections for interceptions and fumbles that change momentum in games, and inability to catch a pitch from Jones because he takes his eyes off the ball?

Yeah, we’re stuck on the drop versus Philly...

but has played small at critical points in big games. As already pointed out, due to a lack of weapons - he has gotten #1 wr coverage at times. With the added weapons - he'll have a huge year I think.

The drops. The problem is where and when he drops the ball (middle of the. Field, crucial 3rd downs). The guy has never learned how to catch the ball and probably has bad hand/eye coordination as well. I don’t think that can be trained out of him very much.

In comment 15306495 DannyDimes said:

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His numbers say 8-10th best. But everyone is stuck on the big drops... maybe rightfully so. I'd still rather have him than not.

All they say may be true, but for 2020 , he still is 5th in receptions at the TE position, and 8th in total yds at TE, so there's that. Seems to me that if, as a coach, you can't make that work, that's on you.

Yeah, I'm thinking it's mostly his inability to catch footballs.

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He’s underachieving and something is off, because he should be putting up big numbers with that ability.

So, the fact that he should be putting up big numbers, but doesn't, makes him good. Is that it? The logic escapes me.

1. He was picked for the people bowl bt a group of his peers.
2. A group of coaches and experts rated him 8th.
3. The coaching staff seems to hold him in high regard.
4. The amateur, part-time bloggers, who watch a game a week from long distance ans never smell sweat or a locker room think he's trash.
Who should we rely on here??

🙄

In comment 15309762 Grizz99 said:

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1. He was picked for the people bowl bt a group of his peers. 2. A group of coaches and experts rated him 8th. 3. The coaching staff seems to hold him in high regard. 4. The amateur, part-time bloggers, who watch a game a week from long distance ans never smell sweat or a locker room think he's trash. Who should we rely on here??

Him...

My every post.
There I noticed you.

Evan Engram signed up with BBI. Lol. This has to be him.

(You stink, btw)