I could see the Giants acquiring a star QB after this season

they are not trading him. If Jones falters this year, I could see NYG packaging their #1's to move up to get a QB, but I don't see a viable path to get AR.

Not happening, AR is not coming to the Giants ever.

They’ll continue building a solid football team through the draft and free agency.

... the Giants having a star QB after this season!

I guess we'll just have to see how our QB situation plays out. If DJ flops I could see them wanting a star QB... but affording one? Beyond the draft choices, the massive contract? And which star qb's are going to come available? I seriously doubt the team wants any part of Aaron Rodgers. No doubt he's elite but better to have a guy who is becoming, rather than going to be declining.

No, if the Giants need a QB next year, they'll bet on the next guy who may become a star.

We're likely going to use our haul of draft picks to trade up and get "our guy". That guy will likely come with a new OC as well. Given the cap situation and fact that they strategically acquired these picks I don't see a big FA QB or them grabbing a high cap guy via trade.

On the positive side, if Jones does show it and steps up, we just use the picks to bolster the team.

and if there is the price would be absurd. If Jones stinks this year we will move up in the draft.

The team is gambling big time that the OL will play at a minimum adequately. In my opinion, they can but they are betting that 5 guys will play well enough and stay healthy enough to keep Jones productive. If their bet is wrong either because 1 or 2 of the 5 don’t produce or get hurt or the depth isn’t any good, Jones is not likely to play well. And, even if the bet pays off, Garrett needs to do a better job.

Also, if the OL doesn’t produce, why would a Rodgers want to come here anyway?

on here constantly that he's only won one Super Bowl, that it's a team game and having a star QB guarantees nothing.

To say nothing of the fact that the whole midwest gay club scene thing hasn't been resolved yet either, right?

the Eagles who have , potentially, 3 #1 choices next year

Being a former quarterback himself that may really appeal to him.

performance from Jones along with a winning season (this season), and Jones starting next season

Best thing is probably that Jones is the answer but they need some real conviction by season's end.

I don't think they should just draft another QB if Jones performs poorly. Judge/staff has to have a conviction. One positive is that it would open a window with what you hope is a very talented team with a rookie contract for at least 4 years.

I think you also consider the market that is and will continue to emerge. Highly drafted QB's that teams moved on from. Curious to see how Darnold does. There will be others.

swinging back on Jones. I've seen a few things where other NFL people are calling him underrated and believing he will have a great year/be a franchise QB, etc. Time will tell and truthfully, there is nobody here with enough knowledge to do anything but make a WAG

what picks/players are you giving up to get an aging QB in Rodgers?

what players are you cutting/resigning to afford an expensive, aging QB in Rodgers?

It would drain the war chest for several years, and our OL remains unfinished.

He wouldn't want to play here, if he wants to on an annual contender. Timelines do not match up.

Giants have a ways to go until you see it on gameday.

Honestly - if Jones tanks - our pick is more than likely top 5. May not need to move up

In the event Jones puts it all together this year, then this is moot.

In the event Jones bombs, then Giants could add an experienced (albeit cheaper) veteran based on who hits the market and/or use one or both of those first round picks to grab their next guy.

More likely Jones/Giants show just enough improvement that the front office will push this decision out another season...

Heisman and go first in the draft. Chicago is starting a rookie QB but I doubt they'll be the worst team in the league and neither will the Giants. They could sit around and hope that he first couple picks go to another position, but I think it'll require both number ones to get Rattler.

If Jones doesn't all of a sudden light it up of course.

Jones is a Pro-Bowl alternate at the end of this season. All other discussion on another QB, Rodgers, another vet, a high draft pick, is moot.

then they'll look to the draft. He needs another year like his first year without the fumbles. To me it's that simple.

Unlikely they pursue a star QB after this season. They will give Jones another year - the last one of his 4 year contract - and assess at that stage. Hopefully Jones will play great and we won’t need to think about a replacement for years. If he doesn’t or misses time to injury they won’t cut bait right away as ownership GM and coach all love him

In comment 15306316 gidiefor said:

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performance from Jones along with a winning season (this season), and Jones starting next season

+1

I can see the Giants acquiring a star QB..that player is already on the roster...Daniel Jones..the bench mark is Jones 1st season..as last year was an aberration with new coaching staff..new training camp..offense decimated by injuries..an improve season e need to see an uptick from his TD's from 2019...In the area of 28-30..want to see Int and turnovers further reduced...and we need a winning record!!

Will come via a new contract extension

There is no way in hell it will be for Aaron Rodgers.

I don't really see anyone in next years draft that wows me either, but who knows?

Cross that bridge when we get there, as they say.

The decision on whether to pick up his fifth year option (which would pay him $20M+ in 2023) has to be made after this season. Picking up that option for an average at best QB (which is what modest improvement would be) when they have two first round picks in hand would be impossible to defend.

Jones has to be good this year. Real good. Otherwise it makes no sense.

These other hypotheticals may be fun to talk about, but they are extremely unlikely.

If Jones has a good season, there is zero chance of the Giants giving up the kind of package a top QB requires, and I think there's little chance they will (or can) take on that kind of salary. If Jones has a bad season, they are much more likely to use their draft picks to draft the next guy. The only way I see the Giants going after a star QB is if they have a big season DESPITE Jones' play, so they think the last piece for a Super Bowl run is QB. That is a very unlikely outcome in 2021.

Sure, we can all imagine stuff happening. Any of us can say "I can see this happening" about pretty much anything — and then a lot of people come back and say "I can't see that happening at all." As is happening on this thread. This seems to me to be particularly far-fetched.

But no, not impossible. I can't see that happening at all. But it's within the realm of possibility, I guess. It's unlikely, but as I always say: Unlikely things happen all the time. There are thunderstorms in the desert. Pitchers hit home runs. But that doesn't make them any less unlikely.

Jason Garrett will be replaced before Jones.

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Modest improvement from Jones isn't enough Jones has to be good this year. Real good. Otherwise it makes no sense.

Yep. As much as I want for Danny to succeed, that is the situation we don't want. He's got to emphatically silence the critics, no matter the record, or the Giants will have to move on.

If he has another so-so year, even if it is truly not his fault, we can't chance another year after that of again excuses. Win or lose, o line good or bad, receivers good or bad, stats or not, he's got to erase the criticisms or we trade him and draft the next guy.

first round. If he's the man, they have assets to improve the team even further to make a real run at a championship. If he's not, they can move on from him by trying to acquire a star or moving up to get a QB in the draft.

Really smart offseason for the Giants this year, IMO.

We’re supposedly tight next year already and we’ve got a very young team with a lot of second contracts coming up.

Draft will be the way if they sour on Jones, but I’m expecting Jones to succeed.

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In comment 15306353 Go Terps said: Quote: Modest improvement from Jones isn't enough Jones has to be good this year. Real good. Otherwise it makes no sense. Yep. As much as I want for Danny to succeed, that is the situation we don't want. He's got to emphatically silence the critics, no matter the record, or the Giants will have to move on.

If Jones continues to develop, but doesn’t quite meet your standard of really good, I think you guys will be disappointed in your hopes they move on.

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The decision on whether to pick up his fifth year option (which would pay him $20M+ in 2023) has to be made after this season. Picking up that option for an average at best QB (which is what modest improvement would be) when they have two first round picks in hand would be impossible to defend. Jones has to be good this year. Real good. Otherwise it makes no sense.

I will say that there is one exception - if the 2022 crop falters enough such that, even with 2 first round picks, we don't have enough to trade into the range needed to get one that hadn't faltered. Looking at the crop today, we could be looking at a repeat of 2018 or a repeat of 2014 and both scenarios are equally likely.

In comment 15306386 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15306353 Go Terps said: Quote: The decision on whether to pick up his fifth year option (which would pay him $20M+ in 2023) has to be made after this season. Picking up that option for an average at best QB (which is what modest improvement would be) when they have two first round picks in hand would be impossible to defend. Jones has to be good this year. Real good. Otherwise it makes no sense. I will say that there is one exception - if the 2022 crop falters enough such that, even with 2 first round picks, we don't have enough to trade into the range needed to get one that hadn't faltered. Looking at the crop today, we could be looking at a repeat of 2018 or a repeat of 2014 and both scenarios are equally likely.

We’re going to pick a RB high in the draft again?

For this season. Not one bit.

Peyton M
Tom Brady
Ben Roeth
Aaron Rog
Drew Br
Kurt W
Eli Mann

Russell Wil
Nick Fol
Trent Dil
Joe Flac
Brad John

12 QB's. QB is just one position. Important but sometimes people go overboard imo. The goal is to win championships and it does not always have to be a star. Some of the star QB's on the list were not always a star (Brady first three SB's, PM his second one, BR his first one). Just something to consider. It is still a team game.

In comment 15306399 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 15306386 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 15306353 Go Terps said: Quote: The decision on whether to pick up his fifth year option (which would pay him $20M+ in 2023) has to be made after this season. Picking up that option for an average at best QB (which is what modest improvement would be) when they have two first round picks in hand would be impossible to defend. Jones has to be good this year. Real good. Otherwise it makes no sense. I will say that there is one exception - if the 2022 crop falters enough such that, even with 2 first round picks, we don't have enough to trade into the range needed to get one that hadn't faltered. Looking at the crop today, we could be looking at a repeat of 2018 or a repeat of 2014 and both scenarios are equally likely. We’re going to pick a RB high in the draft again?

I hope not. I was just talking about the quality of QB expected to be available either at one of our picks or by packaging to move up.

an not one minute you're here and the next you're in the HoF.

If...

- A star QB is on the market.

- The Giants are competitive on the backs of a strong defense.

- Jones does not improve.

- They do not like any of the top QBs in the draft. Early

Then the Giants would probably be front runners for guys like Rodgers and Wilson. They have the draft capital, the talent (per the qualifier above) and the location. Unlikely given at least 4 qualifiers but not impossible. As said many times, the best route to success is Jones taking that jump but if that does not happen, this is one of the stronger contingencies if its an option.

but I can't see him coming here.

And for two keys reasons: (1)I think AR prefers the PST or MST time zones only and (2) I can't imagine Mara ever going for such an aggressive move, especially considering AR's age.

I would be curious, too, if AR has a clause in his contract where he can dictate most of the outcome...?

And while I think this should be THE pivotal year for Jones, I am a buyer of a few Asshats who claims Jones will very likely get a 4th year to demonstrate if he's the solution.

i don't believe the QB class this in next years draft is good. the liberty kid is my favorite of the bunch and i think he's good. maybe emory jones turns into something too. but the rest of the class is very unimpressive. i don't think rattler or howell are pro QBs

i get that the giants have draft capital next year but it would be foolish to force a QB pick if the class isn't great. that's how they wound up with jones instead of herbert.

i could see modest improvement from jones and the team not picking up his option but letting garrett go and seeing what jones does with an improved team and different playcaller in 2022

for the giants sake though i hope jones puts together a good year and the OL is competant. if that happens with the draft capital they have next year, this team could be set up to be good for a long time

just stop. he's one of the best ever and just won an mvp

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just stop. he's one of the best ever and just won an mvp

I didn't see anyone ripping him. Well except for Googs but pretty sure that was sarcasm.

Obviously he's a great QB but based on age / cost / situation, he will never be a Giant. Just my opinion but I feel very strongly about it... lol

to everything the Giants are doing right now. If somehow Rodgers fell in our lap, then sure. But I don't see the Giants trading away all those picks they've amassed just to spend them on a rental that has a small window of time left.

But if Rodgers or Wilson fought their way out of GB/SEA to the point the teams would take peanuts for them, then sure. But I don't see them trading the farm for a player who's decline could start any day now.

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they are not trading him. If Jones falters this year, I could see NYG packaging their #1's to move up to get a QB, but I don't see a viable path to get AR.

100% agree with this.

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to everything the Giants are doing right now. If somehow Rodgers fell in our lap, then sure. But I don't see the Giants trading away all those picks they've amassed just to spend them on a rental that has a small window of time left. But if Rodgers or Wilson fought their way out of GB/SEA to the point the teams would take peanuts for them, then sure. But I don't see them trading the farm for a player who's decline could start any day now.

Agree 100.

can we be having a Daniel Jones conversation about the year after next? Can we give the guy a chance? Geez....

It’s certainly possible. If jones doesn’t play well it’s all but certain.

I don’t think jones plays poorly.