ESPN Ranks Giants O-Line Dead Last in the NFL

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maybe. maybe theyll outperform. who knows?

...flying fuck what ESPN thinks.

behind 32 starters and on back up????? And Thomas will be almost last of all tackles??

Yep, ok

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lost 4/5 OL. I would think they are in deep shit.

Storyline this off-season has been that Daniel Jones has “no excuses” this season. Sounds like ESPN thinks he does have an excuse.

Atlas is condemned to hold the world on his shoulders. Rob Sale has a similar task - Piece together a mix of corps of young, inexperienced and underperforming vets into a group that will try to keep Jones on his feet and blocking for Barkley.

In comment 15306626 Manny in CA said:

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Atlas is condemned to hold the world on his shoulders.

I think Sisyphus is the more applicable Greek myth. The Giants keep trying to roll that boulder up the hill, but it keeps rolling back down.

underperfrom

the fact that little to nothing was done to the OL is a concern. Hopefully, they will improve from being a group for a 2nd year in a row and have more chemistry, but that's alittle risky to depend on with a young QB still trying to find himself and a RB coming off a torn ACL. Hoping it all works out, though. But it's fair for the media (or whoever) to list it as a concern. It is.

yawn

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All the weapons they've added will mean little if the OL is anything close to what it was last year. It's the OL that will potentially ruin this team. I'm still pissed that basically the same personnel is returning.

have it all figured out. Just a straight trash analysis based on some absurd and arbitrary metric figured out by pencil necks who've never played a down of football in their lives. Who cares? It's all just filler until the season starts. Clickbait taint sweat.

at least provided Lemieux learns to pass block.

They conspicuously did nothing about center through last year's free agency and draft.
They had the answer at hand and knew it.
If they needed help they would have gone out and gotten it.
Time to trust, I think they've earned it.

They conspicuously did nothing about center through last year's free agency and draft.
They had the answer at hand and knew it.
If they needed help they would have gone out and gotten it.
Time to trust, I think they've earned it.

They conspicuously did nothing about center through last year's free agency and draft.
They had the answer at hand and knew it.
If they needed help they would have gone out and gotten it.
Time to trust, I think they've earned it.

Pass blocking win rate isn’t a very complex analysis — it’s a simple measure of if a lineman holds his block.

It can’t be that controversial or surprising that a team among the top in sacks, hits, and pressures and near the bottom in passing TDs, couldn’t hold their blocks.

I thought of that one, but I thought again - overstated I thought.

And I don’t think they were the worst OL in the league. But this year they’re going to be worse? This group could be a problem but the worst in the league. Not likely. I think Thomas will prove he is the best of the tackles taken last year. Gates is a player and Hernandez will be average. I don’t know about Lemieux or Peart but they have vet backups who could step in if they fail.

What scared defenses trying to defend? Really not very much to consider.

I think coaching, scheme adjustments and PL players gaining more experience all will help. However, the additions made and Barkley coming back will have a bigger impact on improved performance imo.

ESPN rankings and a box of rocks are worth a box of rocks.

I have no idea how the Giants O-Line will perform this year. No one does (and that goes for every other unit on the team). So I'm not going to get bent out of shape over what some sportswriter wrote about it in the middle of July.

Was #1 for what it’s worth.

Ranked 6th… fucking hilarious.

Think Evan Engram is a top 10 TE.

That shows enough of what they know.

And please name-drop the NFC coach who said Engram would be a star on the Chiefs.

mark. We'll have to see how they do in pre-season and when the games start to count.

That's the only thing that matters for the Giants now. Beat Denver start 1-0 and go from there.

with ZERO credentials determined this? Looking forward to every last reporter having to wipe their chins when the Giants win the division.

Rate a team in one of the biggest markets with an exaggerated rating and let the comments and clicks fly.

While I think the line will be good, they are definitely not the worst in the NFL. I would not be surprised if the writer thinks they are the worst line as well.

the playbook can make the line look good or bad. Does anyone really think the 49ers have a great line or the chiefs? but they have great coaching and a modern playbook that doesnt stress them every single down.

I love it, they definitely will not enter the season cocky, I love it when you throw down the gauntlet to a professional and basically tell them that they can’t do something

would suck at investing tactics since they seemingly believe that past performance is indeed indicative of future performance

Guys like mcnabb and Palmer above eli and flacco. They have Alex Smith in the 20s with this doozy, Chance of being elite: 0 percent. Eli doozy, Arrow is pointing: Flat.

Trash. As usual.
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Behind mcnabb who is seconds away from being thrown out of the NFL while Eli is about to throw approx 180 tds over a 6 year span while adding another Lombardi.

They are the worst.

The ranking is on pass protection, not overall. And it’s really not a complex or magical formula — it’s measuring the percentage of time a lineman holds his block for 2.5 seconds.

Is that the right measurement, I don’t know.

Seems to correlate pretty well to the 2020 Giants. Lots of guys not holding their blocks, and not coincidentally the Giants were among the worst in sacks, pressures, hits, TDs, points.

Fatman makes a good point — what happened last year, especially with a bunch of young players isn’t a great indicator of the future. Safe to assume some maturation.

The part that makes me itchy is how basically all of the group would need to get a lot better, to have an average pass protecting unit. That feels low odds to me.

In comment 15306664 Bricktop said:

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have it all figured out. Just a straight trash analysis based on some absurd and arbitrary metric figured out by pencil necks who've never played a down of football in their lives. Who cares? It's all just filler until the season starts. Clickbait taint sweat.

This is the correct take.

ESPN will still spend all season slamming the O-Line to justify this silly ass clickbait

was by week 17 is Lemiuex. He needs to get much better in pass blocking. I’d be curious what the scores are if you mixed weeks 1-8.

In comment 15306809 christian said:

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Fatman makes a good point — what happened last year, especially with a bunch of young players isn’t a great indicator of the future. Safe to assume some maturation. The part that makes me itchy is how basically all of the group would need to get a lot better, to have an average pass protecting unit. That feels low odds to me.

I agree for the most part, but I also think the odds are better when you consider that not only are they a young unit, but they were working last year with a first-year head coach, a 2nd year QB in a new system with a new OC, mid-year drama and change at OL coach, and the constraints of the pandemic which likely disproportionately affected units with all those characteristics.
Then throw in the lack of weapons to help keep the defenses off balance.

It probably sounds like a lot of excuses and I do get the concern going into this season, but there are a lot of reasons for hope of significant improvement this year for the unit, even with the same players in place.

In comment 15306862 jhibb said:

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It probably sounds like a lot of excuses and I do get the concern going into this season, but there are a lot of reasons for hope of significant improvement this year for the unit, even with the same players in place.

Doesn’t sound like excuse making to me — sounds like mitigating circumstances. There was plenty working against the Giants last year.

My view is always based on what I think the likelihoods are.

No one knows how Sale will translate as an NFL coach and how that will play out. That’s an unknown.

The Giants then are counting on a 2nd year LT to round out his consistency, a 2nd year guard to dramatically improve his pass protection, a 4th year guard to dramatically improve his overall play, and a 2nd year right tackle who played 150 snaps last year to up the level at the position.

There are 5 players and 1 coach who need to do well — and the only one among the group who can say they’ve done that at the NFL level for 16 games is Nick Gates.

If the Giants line plays well, it will be a big headline and a big surprise. If the Eagles or Redskins were in this circumstance, I bet a lot of Giants fans would be skeptical about the chances for success.

Thomas is a highly drafted, talented player who showed signs of improvement in the back half of the year. I can see him taking a big step forward.

I don't know if last is appropriate but they're a bottom third unit. I think way too much has to break right to be an above average unit.

I'm definitely showing the entire OL unit this ranking. Any motivation for such an unproven unit can't hurt.

As for the ranking, what did anyone really expect? We really didn't add anyone this offseason and seem 100% committed to a unit that was dreadful last year. We may not be last, but we are closer to last that middle of the pack...right now.

Are usually of the what have you done for me lately, variety. Little to no deep analysis or projection. These lists don’t account for what’s to come, but more what happened last year.

The giants OL could suck again but this list is still worthless trash. Stopped watch is right twice a day too. With that said I’ll bet every dollar I own the giants OL isn’t dead last this year, it probably won’t even be worst in the East.

In comment 15307014 bw in dc said:

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I'm definitely showing the entire OL unit this ranking. Any motivation for such an unproven unit can't hurt. As for the ranking, what did anyone really expect? We really didn't add anyone this offseason and seem 100% committed to a unit that was dreadful last year. We may not be last, but we are closer to last that middle of the pack...right now.

We “seem 100% committed to a unit that was dreadful last year.” What a total crock. We’re committed to a unit that was totally rebuilt last year and includes the #4 pick in the draft, plus 3rd and 5th round picks, a promising UDFA abd a former 2nd round pick plus some decent vet backups.

In comment 15307122 BillT said:

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In comment 15307014 bw in dc said: Quote: I'm definitely showing the entire OL unit this ranking. Any motivation for such an unproven unit can't hurt. As for the ranking, what did anyone really expect? We really didn't add anyone this offseason and seem 100% committed to a unit that was dreadful last year. We may not be last, but we are closer to last that middle of the pack...right now. We “seem 100% committed to a unit that was dreadful last year.” What a total crock. We’re committed to a unit that was totally rebuilt last year and includes the #4 pick in the draft, plus 3rd and 5th round picks, a promising UDFA abd a former 2nd round pick plus some decent vet backups.

Yes, that unit. The dreadful one...

In comment 15307122 BillT said:

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In comment 15307014 bw in dc said: Quote: I'm definitely showing the entire OL unit this ranking. Any motivation for such an unproven unit can't hurt. As for the ranking, what did anyone really expect? We really didn't add anyone this offseason and seem 100% committed to a unit that was dreadful last year. We may not be last, but we are closer to last that middle of the pack...right now. We “seem 100% committed to a unit that was dreadful last year.” What a total crock. We’re committed to a unit that was totally rebuilt last year and includes the #4 pick in the draft, plus 3rd and 5th round picks, a promising UDFA abd a former 2nd round pick plus some decent vet backups.

I agree the OL was rebuilt last year. But the unit was also dreadful.

Those are not mutually exclusive.

So I'm not sure what the issue is. Unless you think the OL wasn't dreadful last season.

In comment 15307142 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15307122 BillT said: Quote: In comment 15307014 bw in dc said: Quote: I'm definitely showing the entire OL unit this ranking. Any motivation for such an unproven unit can't hurt. As for the ranking, what did anyone really expect? We really didn't add anyone this offseason and seem 100% committed to a unit that was dreadful last year. We may not be last, but we are closer to last that middle of the pack...right now. We “seem 100% committed to a unit that was dreadful last year.” What a total crock. We’re committed to a unit that was totally rebuilt last year and includes the #4 pick in the draft, plus 3rd and 5th round picks, a promising UDFA abd a former 2nd round pick plus some decent vet backups. I agree the OL was rebuilt last year. But the unit was also dreadful. Those are not mutually exclusive. So I'm not sure what the issue is. Unless you think the OL wasn't dreadful last season.

Dreadful would be they didnt perform AND progress in all areas. They ran the ball better than any Giants team since Coughlin was coach...thats not dreadful.

Gates and Thomas got better as the year went on. Lemieux was not good in the pass game. Cam Flemming was pretty bad and hes no longer on the team.

Sorry but you can say they had an awful start, and bad stretches, but still did some very good things. Enough is enough already..its time to wait and see and stop whining about it. We definitely saw enough to hope/expect them to play better.

It’s time to wait and see??

Haha, excuse my laughter but that may be the funniest post I have read in some time....