32. New York Giants
Projected PBWR: 52%
Projected offensive line: Andrew Thomas (56th), Shane Lemieux (69th), Nick Gates (34th), Will Hernandez (31st), Matt Peart (DNQ)
So much for general manager Dave Gettleman's grand plan for the offensive line. The rookie Thomas performed well according to our run blocking metric, but he was a liability as a pass protector -- though he did battle an ankle injury that required surgery after the season.
In what could be a make-or-break season for third-year quarterback Daniel Jones, Gettleman got him more receiving help, but Jones is going to be on the run behind this O-Line.
Discuss.
I'm sure people remember the Mets' jingle in the '60s that ended with "We've got no place to go, but up."
The only 2020 Giant lineman who might have achieved even a mediocre score by that method was Zeitler, who is gone.
The sole holdover who was an NFL starter in 2019 is Hernandez. He started only seven games last year, was on the field for just 52% of the Giants' offensive snaps, and probably played his best ball in 2018.
Gates saw substantial snaps in four games in 2019, and didn't move to center until 2020. The other three starters were in college in 2019. All three struggled with pass protection for much of their rookie seasons. Peart played just 15% of the offensive snaps. Lemieux played 50%, and was mostly awful in the passing game. Thomas improved markedly as the season progressed, but the scoring method wouldn't reflect that upward trend.
The method may be good or bad. My point is just that there's no way the Giants' pass protection could look anything but dreadful when viewed through that particular, retrospective lens.
This is a good point, but I would also consider this: Nothing is in a vacuum. The additions of Galloway, Toney, Ross, Rudolf should have a positive impact on the OL in that defenses should not be able to stack the box and ignore outside and deep routes anymore, meaning fewer bodies available at the LOS. Rudolf also will have to be accounted for in the middle of the field. This should help the OL.
It was the first 5 quarters of football for the unit before Barkley went down....against the Steelers and a tough Bears front. If Barkley was healthy the entire season there's a lot of those Freeman, Gallman runs that go for 6.
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In the games leading up to his injury, Barkley was getting next to nowhere because of the weakness of the OL. I know they've improved and they're young, and I have great faith in Joe Judge, but that OL needs to be more than middling, it needs to be good to make Saquon into a legitimate threat. A potent offensive line making holes for Barkley to exploit changes everything. It really does.
It was the first 5 quarters of football for the unit before Barkley went down....against the Steelers and a tough Bears front. If Barkley was healthy the entire season there's a lot of those Freeman, Gallman runs that go for 6.
Don't you think that in-game preparation that the defense didn't give a shit about Gallman?
Secondly, at the end of the season overall the Giants played some downright rotten football teams. Is that what you are counting on this year?
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In the games leading up to his injury, Barkley was getting next to nowhere because of the weakness of the OL. I know they've improved and they're young, and I have great faith in Joe Judge, but that OL needs to be more than middling, it needs to be good to make Saquon into a legitimate threat. A potent offensive line making holes for Barkley to exploit changes everything. It really does.
It was the first 5 quarters of football for the unit before Barkley went down....against the Steelers and a tough Bears front. If Barkley was healthy the entire season there's a lot of those Freeman, Gallman runs that go for 6.
Don't you think that in-game preparation that the defense didn't give a shit about Gallman?
Secondly, at the end of the season overall the Giants played some downright rotten football teams. Is that what you are counting on this year?
No quite the opposite...the Giants saw more single high man blitz coverages than any team in the league last year.
Instead of relying on hyperbole, look at the analytics. Teams didn't respect the deep/intermediate pass whatsoever and faced nothing but stacked fronts on a consistent basis.
And to your point about rotten football teams...
You think Seattle, Arizona, Cleveland, Baltimore have rotten front 7s? No offense, but where do you guys come up with this stuff?
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In the games leading up to his injury, Barkley was getting next to nowhere because of the weakness of the OL. I know they've improved and they're young, and I have great faith in Joe Judge, but that OL needs to be more than middling, it needs to be good to make Saquon into a legitimate threat. A potent offensive line making holes for Barkley to exploit changes everything. It really does.
It was the first 5 quarters of football for the unit before Barkley went down....against the Steelers and a tough Bears front. If Barkley was healthy the entire season there's a lot of those Freeman, Gallman runs that go for 6.
Don't you think that in-game preparation that the defense didn't give a shit about Gallman?
Secondly, at the end of the season overall the Giants played some downright rotten football teams. Is that what you are counting on this year?
Who were the rotten football teams the Giants played at the end of last season? Their last 5 games were Seattle, Arizona, Cleveland, Baltimore and Dallas.
Arguably, Dallas was the worst team and 3 of them made the playoffs.
Are we back to the old tactic of making up shit to try and bolster a weak argument?
The rare valid point on a BBI thread...
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To achieve this we used a regression model that considers every projected starter's individual pass block win rate over the past two seasons. Players who did not play in either or both seasons (including rookies) were assigned a below-average PBWR for their position, and anyone who failed to meet the qualifying threshold had their win rate regressed toward that below-average target. (Bold italics added)
The only 2020 Giant lineman who might have achieved even a mediocre score by that method was Zeitler, who is gone.
The sole holdover who was an NFL starter in 2019 is Hernandez. He started only seven games last year, was on the field for just 52% of the Giants' offensive snaps, and probably played his best ball in 2018.
Gates saw substantial snaps in four games in 2019, and didn't move to center until 2020. The other three starters were in college in 2019. All three struggled with pass protection for much of their rookie seasons. Peart played just 15% of the offensive snaps. Lemieux played 50%, and was mostly awful in the passing game. Thomas improved markedly as the season progressed, but the scoring method wouldn't reflect that upward trend.
The method may be good or bad. My point is just that there's no way the Giants' pass protection could look anything but dreadful when viewed through that particular, retrospective lens.
Blogs -- good point
Bumping the OP for you.
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