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Reese's Pieces : 7/19/2021 10:20 am
I have faith that Jones will answer the doubters and settle his spot as the Giants' long-term QB in Year 3, thanks in no small part to the massive improvements made around him in the lineup. The additions of Kenny Golladay, Kadarius Toney and Kyle Rudolph, along with the return to health of running back Saquon Barkley, mean Jones will be working with the most firepower he's ever had at his disposal. Don't be swayed too much by Jones' lackluster TD-to-INT ratio (11:10) last season; the fact that he completed 62.5 percent of his passes despite working with pass catchers who had a hard time hanging on to the ball (the Giants ranked 12th in the NFL with 30 drops, per Pro Football Focus) is a good sign. I think the former top-10 pick has a chance to put up 20 TDs and complete over 64 percent of his passes in 2021.

Gil is 89.
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christian : 7/20/2021 9:05 pm : link
Wrap your head around this — Jones could double his per game TD production, pro-rate over 16 games — and still only be 17th in the NFL.

I like Jones, I really do. But he’s got to play so, so much better to compete for a championship.
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Go Terps : 7/20/2021 9:18 pm : link
In comment 15309125 christian said:
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Wrap your head around this — Jones could double his per game TD production, pro-rate over 16 games — and still only be 17th in the NFL.

I like Jones, I really do. But he’s got to play so, so much better to compete for a championship.


I suggest you Google Matt Waldman's scouting reports of Jones. Going back to Duke he's basically nailed the assessment. I heard him on a podcast last week talk about Jones - he wasn't optimistic that it's going to work out.

Just too slow reading the game. The instincts aren't there. He compared him to Blaine Gabbert.
RE: The tea leaves this offseason tell the tale  
Bill L : 7/21/2021 7:48 am : link
In comment 15309106 Go Terps said:
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1. Acquire an extra first rounder in 2022
2. Sign Devontae Booker
3. Draft a straight ahead, no bullshit runner in Brightwell

I think change is afoot with Gettleman's cornerstone pieces. And it'll be to the Giants' benefit of it is.


I'm wondering how common it is for 6th round draft picks to be the cornerstone upon which an entire nfl franchise's entire future rests. Maybe Tom Brady was pure prescience, rather than pure luck?
Wait..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/21/2021 9:38 am : link
the signing of Booker and the drafting of Brightwell have some significance on how the Giants view Barkley going forward??

Are you shitting us?
RE: Classic...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/21/2021 9:41 am : link
In comment 15309075 Jimmy Googs said:
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The ring leader of exaggerating/extrapolating a comment for effect jumps in to show off his stuff.

Way to take the bait as usual...


I was on the thread long before your ridiculous comment, Clownshoes. Way to do the thing you do the majority of the time and troll with bait as usual
Huh? Didn’t suggest you weren’t.  
Jimmy Googs : 7/21/2021 9:52 am : link
You seem a little paranoid for someone who went after me. Try decaf…
RE: Wait..  
BigBlueShock : 7/21/2021 9:52 am : link
In comment 15309354 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the signing of Booker and the drafting of Brightwell have some significance on how the Giants view Barkley going forward??

Are you shitting us?

I guess anything other than going into the season with Barkley as the only RB on the roster, coming off a major injury, was going to be proof of the Giants moving away from Barkley in Terps’ mind.

They signed a backup RB and drafted one in the 6th round. Barkley’s days are numbered! And apparently that’s a GOOD thing! You simply cannot make this shit up. Oh, Terps forgot to mention that the Giants drafted Rodarius Williams in the 6th round too. Further proof the Giants are moving on from Gettlemans mistakes. Fortunately we can now move on from Bradberry after investing in the CB position with this 6th round gem. That’s a good thing, right?!
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Klaatu : 7/21/2021 10:52 am : link
In comment 15309129 Go Terps said:
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Wrap your head around this — Jones could double his per game TD production, pro-rate over 16 games — and still only be 17th in the NFL.

I like Jones, I really do. But he’s got to play so, so much better to compete for a championship.



I suggest you Google Matt Waldman's scouting reports of Jones. Going back to Duke he's basically nailed the assessment. I heard him on a podcast last week talk about Jones - he wasn't optimistic that it's going to work out.

Just too slow reading the game. The instincts aren't there. He compared him to Blaine Gabbert.


It took Waldman three years to warm up to Josh Allen (and he'll still criticize him for the occasional bad throw/play). Maybe after Jones' third year, Waldman will warm up to him, too. We'll see.
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Johnny5 : 7/21/2021 11:34 am : link
In comment 15309412 Klaatu said:
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Wrap your head around this — Jones could double his per game TD production, pro-rate over 16 games — and still only be 17th in the NFL.

I like Jones, I really do. But he’s got to play so, so much better to compete for a championship.



I suggest you Google Matt Waldman's scouting reports of Jones. Going back to Duke he's basically nailed the assessment. I heard him on a podcast last week talk about Jones - he wasn't optimistic that it's going to work out.

Just too slow reading the game. The instincts aren't there. He compared him to Blaine Gabbert.



It took Waldman three years to warm up to Josh Allen (and he'll still criticize him for the occasional bad throw/play). Maybe after Jones' third year, Waldman will warm up to him, too. We'll see.

Agreed Klaatu. The last analysis I saw from Waldman was from prior to last season.

We'll see. Man do I hope we kick ass this year.
Johnny5  
Go Terps : 7/21/2021 11:45 am : link
Waldman was on a podcast last week where he discussed Jones in some detail. He was not positive. The link to the tweet with the podcast is below.
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Johnny5 : 7/21/2021 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15309440 Go Terps said:
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Waldman was on a podcast last week where he discussed Jones in some detail. He was not positive. The link to the tweet with the podcast is below. Link - ( New Window )

Yeah it wasn't that I didn't believe you. I just hadn't seen anything in writing beyond prior to last season. He has his detractors and his proponents in the media, just as he does here. It's going to be an interesting year, and the season can't get here fast enough.

The way I look at it, everyone has their warts (except seemingly Mahomes... lol). Every QB has weaknesses that need to be schemed around. It's pretty clear he doesn't see (feel) outside pressure the way some QBs do. Counter to that though he seems to have balls of steel when it comes to pass rush (or at least he did before the sacks started accumulating). At this point we have to hope he takes a step forward in that regard (and some of us are optimistic about this and some of us, not so much... lol) And of course Judge and the clapper MUST scheme to his strengths and shield the weaknesses more. Better and more consistent play from the OL is huge as is his first read winning more of their one on one matchups. I saw enough from him in year one that I believe he has the good if we are incrementally better in every facet I have stated. We shall see.
... believe...  
Johnny5 : 7/21/2021 12:21 pm : link
he has the goodS
Jones first two years were tough: no camp as a #1 as rookie  
SGMen : 7/21/2021 1:10 pm : link
and no camp year #2. Worst OL in football. No Saquon.

When he has time he is a very, very good QB. When he has Saquon his numbers are much better too.

If the OL is average and we are fairly healthy (especially Saquon) he will put up very very good numbers.
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Gatorade Dunk : 7/21/2021 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15309476 Johnny5 said:
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Waldman was on a podcast last week where he discussed Jones in some detail. He was not positive. The link to the tweet with the podcast is below. Link - ( New Window )


Yeah it wasn't that I didn't believe you. I just hadn't seen anything in writing beyond prior to last season. He has his detractors and his proponents in the media, just as he does here. It's going to be an interesting year, and the season can't get here fast enough.

The way I look at it, everyone has their warts (except seemingly Mahomes... lol). Every QB has weaknesses that need to be schemed around. It's pretty clear he doesn't see (feel) outside pressure the way some QBs do. Counter to that though he seems to have balls of steel when it comes to pass rush (or at least he did before the sacks started accumulating). At this point we have to hope he takes a step forward in that regard (and some of us are optimistic about this and some of us, not so much... lol) And of course Judge and the clapper MUST scheme to his strengths and shield the weaknesses more. Better and more consistent play from the OL is huge as is his first read winning more of their one on one matchups. I saw enough from him in year one that I believe he has the good if we are incrementally better in every facet I have stated. We shall see.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?
Also, and I know this is nitpicking  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/21/2021 4:21 pm : link
anything "better" is "incremental" - that's the nature of both words' definitions.
RE: Jones first two years were tough: no camp as a #1 as rookie  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/21/2021 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15309523 SGMen said:
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and no camp year #2. Worst OL in football. No Saquon.

When he has time he is a very, very good QB. When he has Saquon his numbers are much better too.

If the OL is average and we are fairly healthy (especially Saquon) he will put up very very good numbers.

No camp as a rookie?

Why do some of you feel the need to just make shit up?
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Johnny5 : 7/21/2021 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15309695 Gatorade Dunk said:
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anything "better" is "incremental" - that's the nature of both words' definitions.

Well that's kind of my point. Small incremental boosts at each of those levels listed can make a huge difference. Especially if they start building confidence off of the success. We just don't know yet. I feel pretty good about the direction at this point, and I do agree with the assessment that this team is going to surprise. Homerism? Maybe. But I'm optimistic... I have a feeling we finally kick some ass this year... lol
Jones will definitely be better in 2021  
Go Terps : 7/21/2021 4:36 pm : link
He can only improve from 2020. Simply improving over 2020 is not enough.

Compare him to his successful peers: Mahomes, Watson (if he plays), Allen, Jackson, Mayfield, Herbert, Murray...as a highly drafted starter it is reasonable to expect him to measure up to these players. If he doesn't it's time to reassess whether his peers aren't actually Trubisky, Mariota, Gabbert, and the like.

Simply improving is not good enough. Measure him against his peers.
I would just measure him  
Bill L : 7/21/2021 4:38 pm : link
against the standings.

That is the only thing that counts.
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Go Terps : 7/21/2021 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15309702 Bill L said:
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against the standings.

That is the only thing that counts.


Fair enough. By that standard he's been complete garbage since he entered the league. I agree with you.
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BrettNYG10 : 7/21/2021 4:43 pm : link
I completely disagree that standings are what we should judge QBs by, particularly over a single year. The Bears didn't judge Trubisky by his W-L record.

If Jones sucks and this team manages a 10-7 record, I'll think this team is a QB away from being a bona fide contender. I'm skeptical this team gets to double digit wins without Jones being good, but teams get to the playoffs with crap QBs all the time.
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Gatorade Dunk : 7/21/2021 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15309699 Johnny5 said:
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anything "better" is "incremental" - that's the nature of both words' definitions.


Well that's kind of my point. Small incremental boosts at each of those levels listed can make a huge difference. Especially if they start building confidence off of the success. We just don't know yet. I feel pretty good about the direction at this point, and I do agree with the assessment that this team is going to surprise. Homerism? Maybe. But I'm optimistic... I have a feeling we finally kick some ass this year... lol

No, your point is still missing the point.

Incremental doesn't mean what you think it means.
RE: Jones will definitely be better in 2021  
Johnny5 : 7/21/2021 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15309700 Go Terps said:
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He can only improve from 2020. Simply improving over 2020 is not enough.

Compare him to his successful peers: Mahomes, Watson (if he plays), Allen, Jackson, Mayfield, Herbert, Murray...as a highly drafted starter it is reasonable to expect him to measure up to these players. If he doesn't it's time to reassess whether his peers aren't actually Trubisky, Mariota, Gabbert, and the like.

Simply improving is not good enough. Measure him against his peers.

I agree with this, but I also believe small boosts in each of those categories magnifies any improvement he has on his own. And if they start to have some success that builds confidence which leads to bigger incremental boosts in each category.
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Johnny5 : 7/21/2021 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15309711 Gatorade Dunk said:
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anything "better" is "incremental" - that's the nature of both words' definitions.


Well that's kind of my point. Small incremental boosts at each of those levels listed can make a huge difference. Especially if they start building confidence off of the success. We just don't know yet. I feel pretty good about the direction at this point, and I do agree with the assessment that this team is going to surprise. Homerism? Maybe. But I'm optimistic... I have a feeling we finally kick some ass this year... lol


No, your point is still missing the point.

Incremental doesn't mean what you think it means.

lol. OK thx for the teaching moment.
 
christian : 7/21/2021 4:54 pm : link
Before May 3rd 2022 the Giants need to decide whether Jones is going to make 20M+ in his fifth year.

His performance in 2021 has a huge impact on the future planning of this team.
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Johnny5 : 7/21/2021 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15309716 christian said:
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Before May 3rd 2022 the Giants need to decide whether Jones is going to make 20M+ in his fifth year.

His performance in 2021 has a huge impact on the future planning of this team.

I think everyone here already agrees with that. It's quantifying specifically in relation to the QB position just how good or how improved it needs to be that everyone seems to struggle with, or more succinctly argue about.... lol
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Gatorade Dunk : 7/21/2021 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15309713 Johnny5 said:
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anything "better" is "incremental" - that's the nature of both words' definitions.


Well that's kind of my point. Small incremental boosts at each of those levels listed can make a huge difference. Especially if they start building confidence off of the success. We just don't know yet. I feel pretty good about the direction at this point, and I do agree with the assessment that this team is going to surprise. Homerism? Maybe. But I'm optimistic... I have a feeling we finally kick some ass this year... lol


No, your point is still missing the point.

Incremental doesn't mean what you think it means.


lol. OK thx for the teaching moment.

Happy to be of assistance.
I really just laugh at some of the people in this group...  
EricJ : 7/21/2021 5:10 pm : link
who place more value on TD passes than wins. So, Jones can drive the team all the way down the field, but on most drives we run the ball into the end zone. That would be looked at as a failure?
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Jimmy Googs : 7/21/2021 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15309719 Johnny5 said:
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Before May 3rd 2022 the Giants need to decide whether Jones is going to make 20M+ in his fifth year.

His performance in 2021 has a huge impact on the future planning of this team.


I think everyone here already agrees with that. It's quantifying specifically in relation to the QB position just how good or how improved it needs to be that everyone seems to struggle with, or more succinctly argue about.... lol


I thought Gil Brandt concluded on that earlier this week with the 20 TD pass threshold...
RE: I really just laugh at some of the people in this group...  
BrettNYG10 : 7/21/2021 5:31 pm : link
In comment 15309729 EricJ said:
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who place more value on TD passes than wins. So, Jones can drive the team all the way down the field, but on most drives we run the ball into the end zone. That would be looked at as a failure?


Absolutely not. But if the offense is bottom third and this team is carried by the defense, why should a winning record be viewed as a reflection on Jones? Trubisky's made the playoffs twice and everyone agrees he sucks.
RE: I really just laugh at some of the people in this group...  
Jimmy Googs : 7/21/2021 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15309729 EricJ said:
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who place more value on TD passes than wins.


please name those people...
RE: I really just laugh at some of the people in this group...  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/21/2021 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15309729 EricJ said:
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who place more value on TD passes than wins. So, Jones can drive the team all the way down the field, but on most drives we run the ball into the end zone. That would be looked at as a failure?

If DJ somehow orchestrates an efficient offense that results in 30 rushing TDs and we win 9+ games this year, I don't think anyone should complain.

That's just not a likely course of events.
 
christian : 7/21/2021 7:35 pm : link
Not a single person is putting passing TDs over wins.

We’re analyzing probabilities, and what factors are predictors of success.

If Jones has a trend defying productive year, every single person making these arguments is smart enough to observe that.

If Jones is efficient, has very few turnovers, tons of yards, and the Giants have an outlying amount of drives punctuated by rushing TDs, no one will blame Jones.
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Jimmy Googs : 7/21/2021 7:36 pm : link
In comment 15309752 Jimmy Googs said:
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who place more value on TD passes than wins.



please name those people...


EricJ - names please
It's really the pre-excuses that I think many are bothered by on this  
NoGainDayne : 7/21/2021 7:58 pm : link
thread.

Are there scenarios in which Jones has 20 TDs and any reasonable person should be happy with him and our season? Sure, of course

Are there a lot more where he has 20 TDs and any reasonable person should be unhappy with his season? Most definitely

Most importantly is what is the greater risk? That Jones gets too much rope to hang the team with or too little?

Given the way this team operates, it would be pretty crazy to say there is risk of him getting too little rope.

Which is why as fans we really shouldn't be doing the team any favors helping them feel like they have rope. Because this team takes every inch of it they can from us.

Why some are still so adamant about giving them that rope when we've seen what happens when we do is kind of astounding. I've come to understand it as more of an issue of personal relationships with the team than anything, which makes sense. It also is both a symptom of the problem and an prime example of the pervasiveness and scope of the problem.
RE: I really just laugh at some of the people in this group...  
bw in dc : 7/21/2021 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15309729 EricJ said:
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who place more value on TD passes than wins. So, Jones can drive the team all the way down the field, but on most drives we run the ball into the end zone. That would be looked at as a failure?


Who is placing more value on TDs over wins? The underlying point being made is that the more TD passes a QB makes - since the league is designed for more passing - the greater the chances of securing a playoff birth/winning record. That's certainly not a guarantee, but the odds are favorable.

As for your example, yes, that could happen. But those will be more exceptions than the rule.

And my guess is you know that...
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bw in dc : 7/21/2021 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15309707 BrettNYG10 said:
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I completely disagree that standings are what we should judge QBs by, particularly over a single year. The Bears didn't judge Trubisky by his W-L record.

If Jones sucks and this team manages a 10-7 record, I'll think this team is a QB away from being a bona fide contender. I'm skeptical this team gets to double digit wins without Jones being good, but teams get to the playoffs with crap QBs all the time.


Nice post. And a good example with Trubisky.

It is indeed possible to have a good year with average QB play. But that's more of an anomaly in today's game and something you don't want to bet on.
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Go Terps : 7/21/2021 8:22 pm : link
I think the most pragmatic way to frame the question is in relation to Jones's fifth year option and a possible second contract. If he's a passenger on a 10-7 team that makes the playoffs, should that preclude the Giants from looking to improve and/or stay cheap at quarterback?

To justify the fifth year option he has to play at a level he's never shown. Not impossible, but is it realistic?
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crick n NC : 7/21/2021 8:31 pm : link
In comment 15309815 Go Terps said:
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I think the most pragmatic way to frame the question is in relation to Jones's fifth year option and a possible second contract. If he's a passenger on a 10-7 team that makes the playoffs, should that preclude the Giants from looking to improve and/or stay cheap at quarterback?

To justify the fifth year option he has to play at a level he's never shown. Not impossible, but is it realistic?


I am thinking that the Giants want to see more from Jones than being a passenger. Of course it should be examined why he was just a passenger. After examining and seeing that Jones is still making the some mistakes with little improvement elsewhere they may be wise to decide to start looking in another direction. I certainly think Jones could play at another level without notice, it is not so rare in the NFL. Just as there is a decent chance he may never be more than he is now.
 
christian : 7/21/2021 8:52 pm : link
This is crazy to contemplate because the Giants have sucked forever, and the first step is don’t lose 10 games, but pretty soon the Giants need to make a decision as to whether the primary components can compete for a championship.

Look at what Chicago did with Trubisky. This is the 2nd overall pick, who has a 29-21 career, a pretty good TD/Int ratio, and got a team to the playoffs.

And after year 3 didn’t lock themselves into a corner with the 5th year option. In year 3 Trubisky put up a 17/10 season and had a winning record as a starter.

Did the Bears make the right decision with Trubisky?
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Bill L : 7/21/2021 9:00 pm : link
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against the standings.

That is the only thing that counts.



Fair enough. By that standard he's been complete garbage since he entered the league. I agree with you.

I also think that you’re only as good as your fans.
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Bill L : 7/21/2021 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15309815 Go Terps said:
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I think the most pragmatic way to frame the question is in relation to Jones's fifth year option and a possible second contract. If he's a passenger on a 10-7 team that makes the playoffs, should that preclude the Giants from looking to improve and/or stay cheap at quarterback?

To justify the fifth year option he has to play at a level he's never shown. Not impossible, but is it realistic?

That’s fair, other than I disagree he has never shown it. You can find games, especially his first year where he has. And there was one game last season(can’t recall which one) where you had a mental or ego lapse and we’re absolutely (for you) praising him.
Mental lapse  
Go Terps : 7/21/2021 9:36 pm : link
Thought the game in Philly would be a turning point. Totally misread the situation - he was dreadful the following week against Tampa and most of the remainder of the season.

I let my fandom get in the way of reality. It's a mistake we all make...some more than others.
I think Jones and the O line are the ultimate wild card  
Ned In Atlanta : 7/21/2021 9:42 pm : link
But if Jones breaks out this year I guarantee Terps somehow spins this into “I knew this could happen all along.” I just hope people hold his feet to the fire
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gidiefor : Mod : 7/21/2021 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15309815 Go Terps said:
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I think the most pragmatic way to frame the question is in relation to Jones's fifth year option and a possible second contract. If he's a passenger on a 10-7 team that makes the playoffs, should that preclude the Giants from looking to improve and/or stay cheap at quarterback?

To justify the fifth year option he has to play at a level he's never shown. Not impossible, but is it realistic?


you mean at a level you refuse to see beyond your ESPN stat sheet. He's played at a very high level in spots in my view of him when he actually plays.
I love..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/21/2021 10:31 pm : link
the continual exaggeration that Jones has never played well. Terps has even tried to portray that Jones is the worst 1st round QB in recent memory - with a self-created spreadsheet, mind you.

Saying he has to play at a level he's never seen before makes it seem like the guy has never done well. He played for a bottom feeder in the ACC and helped them get to a bowl game. He threw 24 TD's his rookie season although some will have you believe it is tough for him to break 10 TD's. He tied a rookie record for having 4 or more TD's in a game, but Terps will come on here and say that doesn't matter because he played terrible in every other game.

Basically, any positive said about Jones a supposed fan of the team not only tries to refute but takes great pains to do so - even creating a table to try and show just how shitty Jones is.

And the prevailing question continues to be a very basic one - Why? Why on every thread about Jones is there a need to tell the board how bad he has been? and it is stated bluntly that he hasn't just been bad - but historically bad - without the actual proof to make such a ridiculous statement
You exaggerate on here as much as anybody.  
Jimmy Googs : 7/21/2021 10:50 pm : link
Why don’t we ponder that as well?

Oh, I know why. Because nobody cares...
I wouldn’t be so quick to praise Jones…  
bw in dc : 7/21/2021 10:54 pm : link
for getting Duke to a bowl game. That suggests all teams that go to bowl game are actually good or even have winning records. Which is just not the case. Bowl games outside the final four are a bigger joke than ever.

So it’s not the best argument here. I’m more convinced that any success Duke had with Jones is considerably more Cutcliffe at this point than Jones.
FMIC  
Go Terps : 7/21/2021 11:18 pm : link
The chart displayed that what I'm saying isn't exaggerated or groundless: Jones was indeed the least (or maybe second least behind Locker...maybe) productive first round college quarterback of the past decade. That's a fact...he ranked 49th out of 49 in several key categories.

Yeah he went to Duke...which lends the question of why we drafted a guy for whom an excuse already had to be made? We can be fairly confident of why - the Cutcliffe/Manning connection. If Jones had the identical college career at another school unconnected to Cutcliffe/Manning would the Giants still have drafted him? Seems unlikely. The process that led to his being drafted seems to have been deeply flawed, and we've seen the results through two years. Little reason to expect something different in year three...particularly with Garrett as the OC. It's a marriage made in third and long.

I'm optimistic though. I think Judge is going to draft a guy that he wants in 2021, and I trust that Judge's methodology will be smarter and more thorough than "Let's call Ernie and see what he thinks." I think things are looking up.
 
christian : 7/21/2021 11:28 pm : link
I love the continual exaggeration too …

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although some will have you believe it is tough for him to break 10 TD's.


Wait, who said that again? Oh right, no one.
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