Mets Lineup
Brandon Nimmo — CF
Pete Alonso — 1B
Jeff McNeil — 2B
Dominic Smith — LF
J.D. Davis — 3B
Michael Conforto — RF
Tomas Nido — C
Luis Guillorme — SS
Jerad Eickhoff — SP
Reds Lineup
Jonathan India — 2B
Jesse Winker — LF
Tyler Stephenson — C
Joey Votto — 1B
Tyler Naquin — RF
Eugenio Suarez — 3B
Shogo Akiyama — CF
Kyle Farmer — SS
Vladimir Gutierrez — SP
Carrasco expected to move to Syracuse and go at least 3 innings tomorrow night. Rojas claims it could be his last rehab start. Guess we’ll see. Stock pitching tomorrow. Mets rotation is in tatters with deGrom, Carrasco, Syndergaard, Peterson, Lucchesi, Yamamoto, and Oswalt out. We need Cookie in the worst way imaginable! LFGM!
And Guillorme and his one RBI for the year can take a hike. The most unclutch player on this team.
And yet, still a guy I dont want at the plate in a big spot. Hence the one RBI. And I generally like LG too.
Who?
Five pitched yesterday, five today.
That's ignoring the bullpen game tomorrow.
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Conforto is staying back on the ball. When he's not trying to pull he has one of the sweetest swings going.
If only these two units could both get healthy and converge together at once.
Carrasco and deGrom theoretically could both be back within 10 days.
deGrom
Carrasco
Stroman
Walker
Megill
We can still dream.
Yeah you know it's the big question, right?
I kind of think the priority has to be starting pitching. The team has good hitters when they are going right, and they are right now. I'm not sure I would want to mess with that chemistry that is going for them at present. Sure, there's some concern with the bullpen bc so many of the guys this team has relied on in the first half have faltered lately, but I have to believe there should be some regression to the mean (in a good way) even with Diaz. The one caveat being that how much has the crackdown on foreign substances played a part in their recent struggles, particularly with Diaz.
Even tonight, Diaz got beat by Winker, but the strikeout of Barnhardt on the nasty slider was vintage Diaz. It's just command, but how often do we say this about a number of guys with great stuff?
I think it should be for Berrios, though. You have to be concerned that this starting pitching needs a boost right now.
To go further with the relief corps, I'm reminded of the late 90s Braves who had an elite starter in John Smoltz, who missed all of 2000 and part of 2001 after undergoing Tommy John surgery, and came back as an elite reliever and ended up saving more than 150 games for the Braves. I think the situation with Syndergaard really is an eerie comparison. If Syndergaard can come back this year, he can be a late season and playoff arm in high leverage situations out of the bullpen, and that's the guy that helps this unit.
An addition of a high end starter would ostensibly allow you to do that, without being desperate to get Thor back into the rotation.
Obviously, there's a long way to go to get there. They need to get deGrom back, they need Carrasco to come back and be a quality starter, and then you should have a quality starting 5 of deGrom, Berrios, Walker, Stroman, and Megill down the stretch, and Syndergaard coming in right on time to help the pen.
That's what I'd be feeling should be the plan in pencil.
But Berrios is going to take an awful lot to pry away from Minnesota and may be cost-prohibitive, but to me, it should be on the table.
DeGrom said all the previous injuries were related to swinging the bat. Also from what they've been telling us is that structurally he's ok...so I have to think he's going to come back and be effective, if not the absolutely dominant deGrom we've enjoyed for most of the first half and in recent seasons.
Bryant is the most tempting name out there only because he could legitimately be a difference maker at a position that's currently open. I know if we squint we can talk ourselves into the combined production of 3 guys being similar, but it's not. It's like equating the same 3 guys with 1 Alonso.
For me the top 5-7 prospects are off limits. I'd rather settle for a lesser players and take on $ than give up one of our blue chippers. If there's one thing that's guaranteed there are owners out there who'd love to save $3-6m over the rest of the year.
You also have Peterson already throwing and supposedly way ahead of schedule and Noah due back in roughly a little over a month. Obviously, you shouldn't be counting on them but they are SP's 6 and 7 so all they are is depth anyway.
There is nothing to suggest deGrom is "shot" yet. It could be bad, or he could be back in 8 days. We have no idea.
He is likely off the table.
He is likely off the table.
The latest is they are asking for a pre-arb MLB player and two top 100 guys, so that effectively takes Berrios off the table.
I want to like Peterson but I just don't know how much I trust him down the stretch. Prefer another veteran quality starter.
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But Minnesota announced they would not be trading Berrios.
He is likely off the table.
The latest is they are asking for a pre-arb MLB player and two top 100 guys, so that effectively takes Berrios off the table.
I want to like Peterson but I just don't know how much I trust him down the stretch. Prefer another veteran quality starter.
Like I said, you wouldnt be counting on him down the stretch. You'd be wanting him to spot start here or there in case any of the top 5 need a blow at some point.
Im not opposed to adding a backend SP though. Sign Hamels and add Tyler Anderson and then DFA them both if you have to once everyone's healthy. Works for me.
Agreed. Berrios is off the table imo with the alleged cost.
It’s the exact opposite of 2019 where I couldn’t get why they were sucking so bad.
It’s the exact opposite of 2019 where I couldn’t get why they were sucking so bad.
You probably don't realize how flawed other teams are. Mets pitching (and bullpen) was dominant the first half of the season. That alone was enough to carry them into first place. Braves are pretty mediocre. Outside of Albies, Freeman, Acuna, and Riley (and maybe Swanson), they have garbage in the lineup, and now they have Acuna out. Soroka is injured, their pitching is meh.
Phillies are mediocre. Bullpen sucks. Nola has not been very good. They are starting the likes of Moore. Nationals have depth issues everywhere on the roster, so they are star heavy. And that is just the NL East.
Mets hitting was struggling much of the first half, including injuries. Now it is time for the hitting to pick up. If you have either your pitching or offense going on full cylinders, it's enough for the regular season.
Hope is they can tread water and play .500 ball until they get Carrasco/deGrom back. And some innings eaters like a Merrill Kelly/Anderson, etc. that won't give up a bunch of runs every start, and they will be fine for the regular season.
Worry is the postseason. As mentioned plenty before, deGrom needs to be healthy for them to have hopes of going deep in the playoffs.
The pitching carried them through much of the first half. Now it's time for the bats. If they can do it, you just gotta hope that deGrom returns close to what he was with maybe one of Carrasco or eventually Thor. If nothing else this whole division is flawed and is there for the taking if they can keep fighting.
the reason they are winning is because they have a lot of talent and even though not everyone has played up to their talent so far they have all appeared to play as hard as possible. I mean the roster does have like 10 at least one time all stars on it even though only a handful have had that kind of season.
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How this team is winning games.
It’s the exact opposite of 2019 where I couldn’t get why they were sucking so bad.
You probably don't realize how flawed other teams are. Mets pitching (and bullpen) was dominant the first half of the season. That alone was enough to carry them into first place. Braves are pretty mediocre. Outside of Albies, Freeman, Acuna, and Riley (and maybe Swanson), they have garbage in the lineup, and now they have Acuna out. Soroka is injured, their pitching is meh.
Phillies are mediocre. Bullpen sucks. Nola has not been very good. They are starting the likes of Moore. Nationals have depth issues everywhere on the roster, so they are star heavy. And that is just the NL East.
Mets hitting was struggling much of the first half, including injuries. Now it is time for the hitting to pick up. If you have either your pitching or offense going on full cylinders, it's enough for the regular season.
Hope is they can tread water and play .500 ball until they get Carrasco/deGrom back. And some innings eaters like a Merrill Kelly/Anderson, etc. that won't give up a bunch of runs every start, and they will be fine for the regular season.
Worry is the postseason. As mentioned plenty before, deGrom needs to be healthy for them to have hopes of going deep in the playoffs.
Yeah... no one in the division has the offensive talent to hang with the Mets, even without Lindor.
I mean you have Conforto and Dom who are .900 OPS guys who have played to .700 OPS...and then McNeil who is like an .800-.850 guy playing at .700... not to mention Nimmo and Davis who both rake missing most of the season so far.. Alonso and McCann have given about what you'd expect, maybe just sliiightly below.
They need innings from SP. Thats the most important thing. Give me 6 innings 3-4 ERs with starters every day and this team should still win the division.
Nationals have Schwarber and Castro out now. Soto is insane. Turner is a stud. Zimmerman is good. But they are starting the likes of Rene Rivera, Gerardo Parra, Stevenson
Perhaps worry is the wrong word. Concern may be more apt. If the Mets are healthy, with a healthy deGrom and at least two of Walker, Stroman, Carrasco and Thor pitching well at the time, they have as good a chance as anyone imo.