NFT: Mets at Reds Game 1. Eickhoff

Suspended for two games for his argument with the umpires.

In comment 15308239 SJGiant said:

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Suspended for two games for his argument with the umpires.

MLB is suspending managers for arguing with an umpire? What a joke.

In comment 15308244 CooperDash said:

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In comment 15308239 SJGiant said: Quote: Suspended for two games for his argument with the umpires. MLB is suspending managers for arguing with an umpire? What a joke.

He made contact with umpire

“New York Mets manager Luis Rojas was suspended Monday for two games and fined for excessive arguing with umpires, an outburst that followed a bizarre play a day earlier at Pittsburgh.”

It doesn’t say anything about the bumping of the umpire he did.
Rojas Suspension - ( New Window )

Alonso and McNeil back to back...

Rojas might have woken them up..

Suspension well worth it if the bats get going. Even without deGrom and Lindor, no one in NL East can hang with Mets if the offensive guys all play to the level that should.

INF Travis Blankenhorn has been optioned to Triple-A Syracuse.

OF Johneshwy Fargas has been designated for assignment.

RHP Stephen Nogosek has been selected from Triple-A Syracuse. He will wear #85.

LHP Anthony Banda has been selected from Triple-A Syracuse. He will wear #77.

RHP Corey Oswalt has been transferred to the 60-Day IL.

and now bases loaded with no outs.

We don’t have the depth to really get good outings with our #10SP. Best we can do is try to slug out a few wins in these spots.

they are clowns tonight

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WTF and then makes it worse. Go for the DP.

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Can’t hit for more than singles and if he can’t field I would rather see Blankenhorn, Cortes, Romero, etc.

and earned the suspension.

the "pitching and defense" approach on full display tonight.

FL was 0.333 in July and ran the defense. We'll miss him...

Awful job by McNeil and LG so far...

In comment 15308315 DonQuixote said:

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FL was 0.333 in July and ran the defense. We'll miss him...

Meh..these are routine plays...don't need a $300M player to do that

Lindor is a nice player.. griping Mets fans are those like me who was expecting an MVP candidate, superstar player like Tatis, Guerrero, Acuna... With reset expectations, he's just a foundational piece, not a Wright, Reyes level superstar and that's ok

They will help the other guys heat up

Polar Bear waking from his first half hibernation
Conforto with the power stroke

In comment 15308329 Vanzetti said:

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They will help the other guys heat up Polar Bear waking from his first half hibernation Conforto with the power stroke

Thank God. People underestimated how big of a deal it was missing Nimmo, JD, Conforto, and McNeil for such a long stretch.

We are finally seeing close to the real lineup. Even with Lindor out.

to get a hit here and get the lead.

still want to give up on the season?

7-6. Should have been tied if Eickhoff can run at all.

Looks like McNeil thought it was gone.

Not worried about his errors tonightt at all

with a bomb.

This game is awesome. lol. Everyone in on the action now.

7-7

Looks like a football score

Gotta outscore their opponents every game, now that they have no starting pitching

a 9.0 ERA

I thought the Reds were supposed to be good

Don't we have better relief choices to try to win this?

In comment 15308362 spike said:

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Don't we have better relief choices to try to win this?

There's 3 more innings and they just had a defacto bp game yesterday is my guess

In comment 15308362 spike said:

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Don't we have better relief choices to try to win this?

Lugo and Diaz aren’t doing great lately either. You’d think they’d be refreshed after the all star break. If our pen is falling apart things are going to get really dicey.

Hopefully the bats still have some noise left.

OH YEAH

Clutch

Mets showing some real fight past few days.

I don’t get it, but what do I know.

Nice to see from Lugo.

it just seems every single relief pitcher we have doesnt come off a break or day off well.

I’m so done with this guy.

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Not walking Winker there. Ronnie knew it... Unbelievable.

In comment 15308391 BocaGene said:

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Everyone did but the manager.

With Diaz. Letting that leadoff guy on in these situations, it's just not what you want to see from the closer. Not only that, and it ended up not mattering, but a better throw or a catch by McNeil has Winker out at 2nd.

Defense has been a huge concern recently and it continues to cost them dearly.

I think the smarter move was tonwalk Winker to get to Freeman. That said, Jauss put it on Diaz maybe to get some confidence back, but it backfired.

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In comment 15308391 BocaGene said: Quote: . Everyone did but the manager.

You can’t put the winning run on base obviously. We don’t have good players. They’ve fought hard considering the injuries but realistically how will we hold off the phillies without an ace, our shortstop, a 4 or 5 starter and no closer? It’s just not realistic.

Way too many holes. Diaz still closing for this tram after three years of this is at this point just lazy and insane

We won’t luck into another Megill

That statistics show that there really isn’t much of a difference between having a true closer versus not. Diaz gives and then takes. But he’s not very good. Or at least does t have the mentality for it.

And Guillorme and his one RBI for the year can take a hike. The most unclutch player on this team.

On road, not so much

.289. He was also on the IL for the majority for the first half. Grading him on "RBI's" is not something I would recommend.

Does get on base though. He really takes good ABs and is tough to strike out. There's value in that bc they don't have a lot of guys with that skillset.

In comment 15308405 ZGiants98 said:

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.289. He was also on the IL for the majority for the first half. Grading him on "RBI's" is not something I would recommend.

And yet, still a guy I dont want at the plate in a big spot. Hence the one RBI. And I generally like LG too.

To save this game

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To save this game

Who?

Five pitched yesterday, five today.

That's ignoring the bullpen game tomorrow.

I love Nimmo. Lets win this.

To Szapucki?

Unreal.

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To Szapucki?

Mets' LHP Thomas Szapucki To Undergo Season-Ending Surgery - ( New Window )

Banda on deck and no bench.

I don't think 1 run is going to be good enough in the bottom of the 11th. Not with a guy who really isn't a strikeout pitcher and the ghost runner.

LGM!

So clutch

WHOOHOO

Great signing by Sandy

Sick...

MC getting going would be huge for this team.

Please get winker out already when he’s up at least. So sick of this guy and his weird fetish he has with Mets and their fans. Did he grow up a Yankees fan or something? It’s not like they want you dude, get over it

In comment 15308428 CooperDash said:

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MC getting going would be huge for this team.

Conforto is staying back on the ball. When he's not trying to pull he has one of the sweetest swings going.

That was lucky

A tremendous amount of adversity lately and really all season long, but this team certainly has a lot of fight and grit. If they can get into the playoffs, these experiences are what will serve them very well.

they certainly aren't playing their best but they are competing with whoever they have available. Weird deadline though. Not even sure what they need most. All comes down to health.

when half the starting lineup and entire bench was out. Now the Mets have 8 starting pitchers on the IL and its time for the offense to pickup the pitching.

If only these two units could both get healthy and converge together at once.

Carrasco and deGrom theoretically could both be back within 10 days.

deGrom
Carrasco
Stroman
Walker
Megill

We can still dream.

In comment 15308439 Eric on Li said:

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they certainly aren't playing their best but they are competing with whoever they have available. Weird deadline though. Not even sure what they need most. All comes down to health.

Yeah you know it's the big question, right?

I kind of think the priority has to be starting pitching. The team has good hitters when they are going right, and they are right now. I'm not sure I would want to mess with that chemistry that is going for them at present. Sure, there's some concern with the bullpen bc so many of the guys this team has relied on in the first half have faltered lately, but I have to believe there should be some regression to the mean (in a good way) even with Diaz. The one caveat being that how much has the crackdown on foreign substances played a part in their recent struggles, particularly with Diaz.

Even tonight, Diaz got beat by Winker, but the strikeout of Barnhardt on the nasty slider was vintage Diaz. It's just command, but how often do we say this about a number of guys with great stuff?

I think it should be for Berrios, though. You have to be concerned that this starting pitching needs a boost right now.

To go further with the relief corps, I'm reminded of the late 90s Braves who had an elite starter in John Smoltz, who missed all of 2000 and part of 2001 after undergoing Tommy John surgery, and came back as an elite reliever and ended up saving more than 150 games for the Braves. I think the situation with Syndergaard really is an eerie comparison. If Syndergaard can come back this year, he can be a late season and playoff arm in high leverage situations out of the bullpen, and that's the guy that helps this unit.

An addition of a high end starter would ostensibly allow you to do that, without being desperate to get Thor back into the rotation.

Obviously, there's a long way to go to get there. They need to get deGrom back, they need Carrasco to come back and be a quality starter, and then you should have a quality starting 5 of deGrom, Berrios, Walker, Stroman, and Megill down the stretch, and Syndergaard coming in right on time to help the pen.

That's what I'd be feeling should be the plan in pencil.

But Berrios is going to take an awful lot to pry away from Minnesota and may be cost-prohibitive, but to me, it should be on the table.

I think he is shot, I think you might see Noah before deGrom...Need Carasco and Noah and hope Magill is for real

If you get Berrios, and deGrom and Cookie are healthy in the short term, you have deGrom, Berrios, Carrasco, Walker, Stroman, with Megill as the 6th man. But to me you need that flexibility, especially with everything that's happened this year, particularly with the litany of minor injuries to deGrom.

In comment 15308444 NewBlue said:

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I think he is shot, I think you might see Noah before deGrom...Need Carasco and Noah and hope Magill is for real

DeGrom said all the previous injuries were related to swinging the bat. Also from what they've been telling us is that structurally he's ok...so I have to think he's going to come back and be effective, if not the absolutely dominant deGrom we've enjoyed for most of the first half and in recent seasons.

Every pitch he throws you watch him to see what he hurt...should, elbow, forearm, something. His velo perhaps put to much strain on his arm.

who cares about years of control? let's get rentals and if they are good they will be resigned. Not a lot of bad money on the books going forward. Or just grab veterans with a year or two left at a fair rate (esp pitchers).

Bryant is the most tempting name out there only because he could legitimately be a difference maker at a position that's currently open. I know if we squint we can talk ourselves into the combined production of 3 guys being similar, but it's not. It's like equating the same 3 guys with 1 Alonso.

For me the top 5-7 prospects are off limits. I'd rather settle for a lesser players and take on $ than give up one of our blue chippers. If there's one thing that's guaranteed there are owners out there who'd love to save $3-6m over the rest of the year.

In comment 15308445 allstarjim said:

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If you get Berrios, and deGrom and Cookie are healthy in the short term, you have deGrom, Berrios, Carrasco, Walker, Stroman, with Megill as the 6th man. But to me you need that flexibility, especially with everything that's happened this year, particularly with the litany of minor injuries to deGrom.

You also have Peterson already throwing and supposedly way ahead of schedule and Noah due back in roughly a little over a month. Obviously, you shouldn't be counting on them but they are SP's 6 and 7 so all they are is depth anyway.

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I think he is shot, I think you might see Noah before deGrom...Need Carasco and Noah and hope Magill is for real

There is nothing to suggest deGrom is "shot" yet. It could be bad, or he could be back in 8 days. We have no idea.

But Minnesota announced they would not be trading Berrios.

He is likely off the table.

In comment 15308454 ZGiants98 said:

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But Minnesota announced they would not be trading Berrios. He is likely off the table.

The latest is they are asking for a pre-arb MLB player and two top 100 guys, so that effectively takes Berrios off the table.

I want to like Peterson but I just don't know how much I trust him down the stretch. Prefer another veteran quality starter.

In comment 15308455 allstarjim said:

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In comment 15308454 ZGiants98 said: Quote: But Minnesota announced they would not be trading Berrios. He is likely off the table. The latest is they are asking for a pre-arb MLB player and two top 100 guys, so that effectively takes Berrios off the table. I want to like Peterson but I just don't know how much I trust him down the stretch. Prefer another veteran quality starter.

Like I said, you wouldnt be counting on him down the stretch. You'd be wanting him to spot start here or there in case any of the top 5 need a blow at some point.

Im not opposed to adding a backend SP though. Sign Hamels and add Tyler Anderson and then DFA them both if you have to once everyone's healthy. Works for me.

Over trading prospects to rent Berrios

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Over trading prospects to rent Berrios

Agreed. Berrios is off the table imo with the alleged cost.

How this team is winning games.

It’s the exact opposite of 2019 where I couldn’t get why they were sucking so bad.

In comment 15308531 bhill410 said:

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How this team is winning games. It’s the exact opposite of 2019 where I couldn’t get why they were sucking so bad.

You probably don't realize how flawed other teams are. Mets pitching (and bullpen) was dominant the first half of the season. That alone was enough to carry them into first place. Braves are pretty mediocre. Outside of Albies, Freeman, Acuna, and Riley (and maybe Swanson), they have garbage in the lineup, and now they have Acuna out. Soroka is injured, their pitching is meh.

Phillies are mediocre. Bullpen sucks. Nola has not been very good. They are starting the likes of Moore. Nationals have depth issues everywhere on the roster, so they are star heavy. And that is just the NL East.

Mets hitting was struggling much of the first half, including injuries. Now it is time for the hitting to pick up. If you have either your pitching or offense going on full cylinders, it's enough for the regular season.

Hope is they can tread water and play .500 ball until they get Carrasco/deGrom back. And some innings eaters like a Merrill Kelly/Anderson, etc. that won't give up a bunch of runs every start, and they will be fine for the regular season.

Worry is the postseason. As mentioned plenty before, deGrom needs to be healthy for them to have hopes of going deep in the playoffs.

but I agree with the notion that it's now the offense's turn to take the lead.

The pitching carried them through much of the first half. Now it's time for the bats. If they can do it, you just gotta hope that deGrom returns close to what he was with maybe one of Carrasco or eventually Thor. If nothing else this whole division is flawed and is there for the taking if they can keep fighting.

i'm not saying that means the players aren't trying on the field, just that once things go bad or start going bad it's human nature that people will make decisions for themselves vs. the team because that's the environment they are in. Culture flows from the top and when owners are making business decisions so are players. It was probably the single biggest problem with the entire org during the Wilpon era (and single biggest change any new owner could have contributed - an atmosphere of winning above all else).

the reason they are winning is because they have a lot of talent and even though not everyone has played up to their talent so far they have all appeared to play as hard as possible. I mean the roster does have like 10 at least one time all stars on it even though only a handful have had that kind of season.

In comment 15308558 KDavies said:

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In comment 15308531 bhill410 said: Quote: How this team is winning games. It’s the exact opposite of 2019 where I couldn’t get why they were sucking so bad. You probably don't realize how flawed other teams are. Mets pitching (and bullpen) was dominant the first half of the season. That alone was enough to carry them into first place. Braves are pretty mediocre. Outside of Albies, Freeman, Acuna, and Riley (and maybe Swanson), they have garbage in the lineup, and now they have Acuna out. Soroka is injured, their pitching is meh. Phillies are mediocre. Bullpen sucks. Nola has not been very good. They are starting the likes of Moore. Nationals have depth issues everywhere on the roster, so they are star heavy. And that is just the NL East. Mets hitting was struggling much of the first half, including injuries. Now it is time for the hitting to pick up. If you have either your pitching or offense going on full cylinders, it's enough for the regular season. Hope is they can tread water and play .500 ball until they get Carrasco/deGrom back. And some innings eaters like a Merrill Kelly/Anderson, etc. that won't give up a bunch of runs every start, and they will be fine for the regular season. Worry is the postseason. As mentioned plenty before, deGrom needs to be healthy for them to have hopes of going deep in the playoffs.

Yeah... no one in the division has the offensive talent to hang with the Mets, even without Lindor.

I mean you have Conforto and Dom who are .900 OPS guys who have played to .700 OPS...and then McNeil who is like an .800-.850 guy playing at .700... not to mention Nimmo and Davis who both rake missing most of the season so far.. Alonso and McCann have given about what you'd expect, maybe just sliiightly below.

They need innings from SP. Thats the most important thing. Give me 6 innings 3-4 ERs with starters every day and this team should still win the division.

the depth the Mets have picked up. With the injuries, the Mets have really needed the depth. Unfortunately, during parts of the season, they have had to go way beyond the depth in the lineup earlier in the season, and the pitching right now. Eickhoff and Stock back to back? Yuck

yep, that's 7 guys. Add in Lindor, and there's not a weak spot in the lineup. D'Arnaud/Acuna out for long stretches of time - Braves can only really put out 4 decent spots in the lineup.

Nationals have Schwarber and Castro out now. Soto is insane. Turner is a stud. Zimmerman is good. But they are starting the likes of Rene Rivera, Gerardo Parra, Stevenson

Can't see worrying about the postseason, wasn't supposed to happen this year anyway; everyone predicted the Braves would run away with it.

In comment 15308771 schabadoo said:

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Can't see worrying about the postseason, wasn't supposed to happen this year anyway; everyone predicted the Braves would run away with it.

Perhaps worry is the wrong word. Concern may be more apt. If the Mets are healthy, with a healthy deGrom and at least two of Walker, Stroman, Carrasco and Thor pitching well at the time, they have as good a chance as anyone imo.