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NFT: Mets Minors 7/20/2021

DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 10:39 am
Mets have signed JT Schwartz, Christian Scott, Jack-Thomas Wold, Calvin Ziegler, Wyatt Young, Kumar Rocker and Kolby Kubichek


Eric Longenhagen noted that Rocker’s arm slot has changed more than once and his delivery isn’t as smooth as it once was (noted a violent head wack) said it will come down to the Mets figuring this out to decide if Rocker is an MLB #4 (most likely outcome) or a TOR starter (which he’s flashed at times)



Neither Longenhagen or Goldstein felt Rocker fell as much as being portrayed. Both had him in the 6-8 range with Bachman being the only name they mentioned as a clear “lesser” prospect. Both felt the “drop” storyline was due to recognizable name and NY media and teams had Rocker about where he went
draft signings  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 10:53 am : link
this is what I've seen so far. Anything I'm missing?

Rocker (slot $4,739,900) signed for $6 million, $1,260,100 over

Zeigler (slot $1,617,400) "slightly below slot"

Schwartz (slot $522,600) signed for $475,000 ($47,600 under)

Scott (slot $386,600) signed for $350,000, $36,600 under

Wold (slot $125,000) - no figures yet

Young (slot $125,000) signed for slot $125,000 (plus $75,000 educational expenses to finish school: I assume this does not count towards numbers, but I could be wrong)

Young

Kubichek
Kubicheck  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 10:55 am : link
can't find what he was signed for, but slot is $125k
RE: Kubicheck  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 10:56 am : link
In comment 15308656 KDavies said:
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can't find what he was signed for, but slot is $125k


He got 125.
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 10:57 am : link
Jim Callis
@jimcallisMLB
18th-rd Kolby Kubichek signs w/@Mets
for $125k. Texas RHP, savvy stands out over stuff, best pitch is changeup, low-90s fastball, average slider. @MLBDraft
Mets bonus pool is $9,026,300  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 10:58 am : link
my understanding is they can go 5% over until they start losing draft picks (I doubt the Mets care about the financial penalties), so that would allow them to go $451,315 over), is that correct?
The  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 11:05 am : link
Mets have 2,201,300 remaining to spend without getting pick penalties.
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Named Later : 7/20/2021 11:25 am : link
While we're talking Minors.....I'd just like to give a shout-out to our local Charleston RiverDogs. At 46 - 18 they have the best record in all of Minor League Baseball. That's every Level, every League. They are currently on a roll, wining something like 27 out of their last 32 games.

This is the Tampa Rays' Low-A team. They recently promoted some players up to Bowling Green -- 3 pitchers including John Doxakis (pitcher of the month), and an infielder named Curtis Mead, who was leading the league in hits. He's an Aussie obtained in a trade with Phillies.

My buddy is a Braves fan, so we went to a few of the 'Dogs games against the Augusta Greenjackets last week. He was telling me about the 'Jackets Pitching staff with Tanner Gordon and Joey Estes. The Dogs' took both those guys behind the woodshed. They bludgeoned Gordon 22 - 0, and then beat Jared Johnson 14 - 2.

and Tampa's Farm System and their Scouting Dept are the Gold Standard. They make smart trades, they draft well and they develop players at every level. Even after promoting their best players, the team still kept winning.

Baseball is fun when it's played at an .800 clip.
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 12:58 pm : link
Per @ByRobertMurray
Cole Hamels was impressive at his workout and has numerous teams interested

Top 2021 IFA signing Yohairo Cuevas is now 1-18 to begin his career.
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 1:22 pm : link
The opposite side of Ramirez struggles is Jaylen Palmer. Palmer has a .952 July OPS with 8 extra-base hits over 14 games. His previous 41 games he only had 5.


Still "missing" are Daison Acosta, Joshua Cornielly, Blaine McIntosh, Stanley Consuegra (he has played but not in a while), Jordany Ventura and Benito Garcia
RE: .  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2021 1:28 pm : link
In comment 15308760 DanMetroMan said:
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Per @ByRobertMurray
Cole Hamels was impressive at his workout and has numerous teams interested

Top 2021 IFA signing Yohairo Cuevas is now 1-18 to begin his career.


I thought Cuevas was a pitcher, lol, that's Anthony Young territory if he was.
RE: RE: .  
speedywheels : 7/20/2021 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15308778 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15308760 DanMetroMan said:


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Per @ByRobertMurray
Cole Hamels was impressive at his workout and has numerous teams interested

Top 2021 IFA signing Yohairo Cuevas is now 1-18 to begin his career.



I thought Cuevas was a pitcher, lol, that's Anthony Young territory if he was.


Haha, I thought the same thing...
Apologies  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 1:33 pm : link
for the confusion but 19 decisions in .5 a season (assuming he was playing full-season) would be "impossible".
20th  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 1:38 pm : link
rounder Drake Osborn signed (30 K), 16th rounder Trey McLoughlin (30 K) and 19th rounder Justin Guerrera (75,000)
AY died of a brain tumor  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 2:06 pm : link
did not realize that. 51. Poor guy. Career record of 15-48, despite an ERA under 4.

I always think of Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball when I think of him. Greatest video game ever imo
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 2:19 pm : link
JT Ginn was promoted to @BKCyclones #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 2:36 pm : link
Ginn's velocity is reportedly not "all the way back" but that's to be expected 15 months post-surgery
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KDavies : 7/20/2021 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15308830 DanMetroMan said:
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Ginn's velocity is reportedly not "all the way back" but that's to be expected 15 months post-surgery


Considering that, he is putting up some very impressive numbers.
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 2:49 pm : link
Jack Ramsey
@jackramseymmo
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The Mets internally have him in low-90s, but still expect him to get back up to his usual mid-90s and touching 97
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 3:11 pm : link
Jack Ramsey
@jackramseymmo
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Source confirms: Kumar Rocker is not expected to pitch in affiliated ball for the Mets in 2021. He will train and debut in Spring 2022.

@Metsmerized
wish they'd have been as cautious with JDG and Thor (and Carrasco)  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2021 3:16 pm : link
obviously not shutting down for the season just not letting all 3 of them push so aggressively just to play in the first half of the season.

In comment 15308856 DanMetroMan said:
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Jack Ramsey
@jackramseymmo
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Source confirms: Kumar Rocker is not expected to pitch in affiliated ball for the Mets in 2021. He will train and debut in Spring 2022.

@Metsmerized
Looks like Alvarez might have hit a wall?  
moze1021 : 7/20/2021 3:23 pm : link
Disastrous July so far.

Opposite for Mauricio it seems..

Baty is 4-20 at Bing.. just a 'meh" start...

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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 3:27 pm : link
MetsMinors.Net
@Mets_Minors
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10m
Left-handed pitcher Josh Walker has been assigned to Syracuse Mets from the Binghamton Rumble Ponies.
Rocker's  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 3:29 pm : link
velocity fluctuations and the Mets ability/inability to figure that out will be a key factor in dictating how good he is. They are as clear as day.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 3:34 pm : link
picking and choosing but rather I only have the numbers from 2/14-5/14, Rocker had 5 starts where his FBV was 92 or less, 6 starts where it was 94+
RE: Looks like Alvarez might have hit a wall?  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15308863 moze1021 said:
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Disastrous July so far.

Opposite for Mauricio it seems..

Baty is 4-20 at Bing.. just a 'meh" start...


Alvarez is 19 in high-A ball
regarding Rocker  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 3:39 pm : link
there was never any doubt he would pitch very little if any. Went from 15 or so innings to over 120, and had velocity issues. Give him some rest.
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pjcas18 : 7/20/2021 3:39 pm : link
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SNY
@SNYtv
The trade deadline is just 10 days away. The Mets will likely be in talks involving quite a few players. One could be José Berrios.

Are you swinging this deal to bolster the rotation?

Rightwards arrow @Verizon

just for some perspective of how young Alvarez is  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 3:41 pm : link
Rocker is about a full two years older than him.
Alvarez  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 3:43 pm : link
is the #2 C prospect in baseball and is still walking despite the slump. He very well may be wearing down.
The ask for Berrios right now  
Shecky : 7/20/2021 3:47 pm : link
Is INSANE.
i wouldn't  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2021 3:50 pm : link
even do the trade SNY proposed.

I'd rather roll Megill out there every 5 days than give up those three.

I do like Berrios though, and I like he's under contract (arb) another year.

I'm just not giving up assets with so much uncertainty.
Was  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 3:53 pm : link
told the Twins are asking for "ace-level" prices and would almost certainly pass on that offer. Twins are asking for 2 "elite" prospects and a good young player with years of control.
RE: Was  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15308891 DanMetroMan said:
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told the Twins are asking for "ace-level" prices and would almost certainly pass on that offer. Twins are asking for 2 "elite" prospects and a good young player with years of control.


No interest at that level. That's Baty/Mauricio/Megill. Hard pass.
And  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 3:57 pm : link
the late comers can jump in and say "well it doesn't mean they will get that!". I fully understand that, I'm just telling you what they are asking for as of the last few days.
all the Mets need in the rotation  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 3:59 pm : link
is a Merrill Kelly/Tyler Anderson type. Kelly maybe a little costly because of his contract, but should still be able to get him for a Palmer/Santos type package as we have discussed. Anderson for less.

deGrom will be back, and so will Carrasco. Honestly, I'd like them to give Josh Walker a look, though I think there is probably a 40-man issue there.
Spencer Turnball to undergo Tommy John  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 4:03 pm : link
I know he was talked about here as an option
that should say  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 4:04 pm : link
Turnbull
Caleb  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 4:04 pm : link
Smith remains a decent (if not boring) option on the low end.
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Named Later : 7/20/2021 4:04 pm : link
Big Fat NO on that SNY trade. That's Brody-level Insanity.

Also -- was that Brett Baty's first few games in LF ?? Let him play 3B....Vientos seems to have found a home in LF.
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 4:15 pm : link
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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6m
Jacob deGrom has returned to New York for further evaluation and rehab on his right forearm.
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 4:16 pm : link
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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David Peterson is close to getting back on a mound as he heals from an oblique strain, but is still weeks away.
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 4:23 pm : link
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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2m
Jordan Yamamoto is throwing bullpens in Florida and could begin a rehab assignment soon. Mets haven’t ruled him out for late August or early September.
Mets need someone before Sunday IMO  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 4:27 pm : link
the thought of Eickhoff going against the Blue Jays is disastrous.
Baty back  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 4:32 pm : link
in LF tonight


Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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Jacob deGrom (right forearm tightness) is "improving," per Luis Rojas. "Some of the tightness has diminished and some of the range of motion has gotten a little better."

deGrom went back to NYC for further treatment and could restart throwing soon.
then next Monday  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 4:32 pm : link
they have a doubleheader, which would be Stock and Stroman. However, they will need another pitcher unless they intend to pitch someone on 3 days rest. Things are getting a little thin until Carrasco and/or deGrom is back.
after Thursday 7/22  
KDavies : 7/20/2021 4:34 pm : link
the Mets don't have an off day until August 9. They have the doubleheader Monday
RE: RE: Looks like Alvarez might have hit a wall?  
moze1021 : 7/20/2021 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15308878 KDavies said:
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In comment 15308863 moze1021 said:


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Disastrous July so far.

Opposite for Mauricio it seems..

Baty is 4-20 at Bing.. just a 'meh" start...




Alvarez is 19 in high-A ball


Ohh I know... I'm just saying maybe he's tired with first full season...

For BK he was .286/.389/.571 after July 1 and has since gone 2-37
RE: ..  
moze1021 : 7/20/2021 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15308907 Named Later said:
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Big Fat NO on that SNY trade. That's Brody-level Insanity.

Also -- was that Brett Baty's first few games in LF ?? Let him play 3B....Vientos seems to have found a home in LF.


Could be a clue that they might go after someone like Story and want to see how Baty naturally moves out there?
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KDavies : 7/20/2021 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15308927 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15308907 Named Later said:


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Big Fat NO on that SNY trade. That's Brody-level Insanity.

Also -- was that Brett Baty's first few games in LF ?? Let him play 3B....Vientos seems to have found a home in LF.



Could be a clue that they might go after someone like Story and want to see how Baty naturally moves out there?


Good point. Or Bryant.
RE: all the Mets need in the rotation  
moze1021 : 7/20/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15308897 KDavies said:
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is a Merrill Kelly/Tyler Anderson type. Kelly maybe a little costly because of his contract, but should still be able to get him for a Palmer/Santos type package as we have discussed. Anderson for less.

deGrom will be back, and so will Carrasco. Honestly, I'd like them to give Josh Walker a look, though I think there is probably a 40-man issue there.


Would Braves ever trade Charlie Morton? Could Morton handle 1/3rd of a season and the postseason a little further from home?

That's the guy that I'd want.
That SNY trade had to be the dumbest trade I have seen  
Vanzetti : 7/20/2021 4:58 pm : link
Why not throw Alvarez and Degrom in the trade?

Scott gave some interesting tidbits  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2021 5:03 pm : link
Said Mets are “definitely” shopping for pitching.
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RE: RE: all the Mets need in the rotation  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15308932 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15308897 KDavies said:


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is a Merrill Kelly/Tyler Anderson type. Kelly maybe a little costly because of his contract, but should still be able to get him for a Palmer/Santos type package as we have discussed. Anderson for less.

deGrom will be back, and so will Carrasco. Honestly, I'd like them to give Josh Walker a look, though I think there is probably a 40-man issue there.



Would Braves ever trade Charlie Morton? Could Morton handle 1/3rd of a season and the postseason a little further from home?

That's the guy that I'd want.


Maybe but 9 coming up vs. Phillies/Mets so they likely wouldn't move him before seeing what that looked like.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 5:08 pm : link
the best look

(Cohen tweeted on 7/3 he would be looking into this and have a response by "late next week") nothing has come out since then.
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RE: Not  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2021 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15308954 DanMetroMan said:
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the best look

(Cohen tweeted on 7/3 he would be looking into this and have a response by "late next week") nothing has come out since then. Link - ( New Window )


What Mets minor leaguers say would make them happier
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