was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
and .211 ba with a .708 OPS is probably top 3 on this team. at least he's a legit CF too.
THey should give Hoy Park a shot too. The shithead analytics dept that rules the Yankees roost doesn't like him but he seems to meet the eye test. I guess he doesn't strike out enough LOL.
was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
I have heard that also.
I also heard that the lighting is better. Which makes sense.
I home he gets a chance to play every day for awhile to see what he can do. In other words give him the Brent Gardner treatment. Go 0 for 10 and still start the next game.
So a guy who has done zero as a professional baseball player and is only here as an emergency replacement should be treated the same as a guy who has played and contributed for years to a successful franchise. Not a Yankee fan but I would think that a real Yankee fan would be embarrassed by some of the stupidity that shows up in these posts.
I used to like him a lot but they've made me watch him like practically shrivel up and die as a baseball player.
If by they you mean injuries to the team then yes,I agree but if you mean the team did this to him, I couldn’t disagree more.
They signed him to a pretty nice deal for what was supposed to be at most a 4th-5th outfielder. After last year he should be thanking the Yanks for that deal, and to me was almost like a golden parachute.
He’s been a fantastic Yankee and they’ve treated him as such. It’s just unfortunate he’s forced into this role now when his skills obviously don’t warrant the playing time.
But I'm not expecting much. Florial simply hasn't hit at all since his injury.
His BA isn’t where you’d want it to be, obviously, and he strikes out too much. But he has hit 12 HRs so he is showing signs of life. He’s also walked 30 times, which gets back my earlier post about MLB versus MiLB pitching. Some of his struggles could be him getting frustrated by not getting pitches to hit. Who knows. He also plays a terrific CF and can steal some bases.
was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
I have heard that also.
If I recall correctly, Cano was one of those players. Scouts thought he was bored in the minors.
was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
That's exactly right. What separates the major league pitchers from the minor league ones is consistency and being able to place pitches better (assuming the prerequisite skills are similar). What separates minor league hitters from major league hitters is minimizes their weak zones and being more selective on pitches.
There will be hitters that never successfully make the jump because they have a certain pitch they can't hit like a slider or curve or swing at pitches outside the zone. I don't know enough about what Florial has done to know if he's chasing pitches vs. not being able to hit a particular pitch.
was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
That's exactly right. What separates the major league pitchers from the minor league ones is consistency and being able to place pitches better (assuming the prerequisite skills are similar). What separates minor league hitters from major league hitters is minimizes their weak zones and being more selective on pitches.
There will be hitters that never successfully make the jump because they have a certain pitch they can't hit like a slider or curve or swing at pitches outside the zone. I don't know enough about what Florial has done to know if he's chasing pitches vs. not being able to hit a particular pitch.
FatMan - So which are you saying is the case? I honestly don't know. But, I have read his name for a couple of years as being a top prospect at a position of extreme need right now. I don't know how he will fare. But, I want to see him given a shot. Has he torn the cover off the ball in AAA to deserve it? Nope. But, the Yankees OF is a mess and one of their regulars is well past his mediocre prime, in Gardner. At this point, they literally have nothing to lose by letting a highly touted kid play everyday to see what they have. In a normal year, a contending team doesn't have this luxury. But, this year the Yankees have a number of guys grossly underperforming and now have mounting injuries on top of that. So, it's sink or swim with a guy you didn't intend to start regardless.
So a guy who has done zero as a professional baseball player and is only here as an emergency replacement should be treated the same as a guy who has played and contributed for years to a successful franchise. Not a Yankee fan but I would think that a real Yankee fan would be embarrassed by some of the stupidity that shows up in these posts.
Since you are not a Yankee fan, you might not know 5hat Gardner who I am a fan of, is on his last leg.
Point is that the Yankees have a very short fuse when either a pitcher or position player is called up. If a m8nor leaguer pitcher was brought up and pitched like Wilson, he would be sent down the next day. Yes, I understand Wilson doesn’t have options to be sent out. Still very frustrating as a fan.
So a guy who has done zero as a professional baseball player and is only here as an emergency replacement should be treated the same as a guy who has played and contributed for years to a successful franchise. Not a Yankee fan but I would think that a real Yankee fan would be embarrassed by some of the stupidity that shows up in these posts.
This is a business, not Little League. Gardner has been horrific. I'm a big fan of Gardy, but he's completely cooked. I wonder if he was experimenting with some chemical help a couple years ago when he hit 28 HRs in 2019. He's got three this season. He had five last season. He's got 13 extra base hits this season in 199 ABs. That's absolutely awful for a guy with speed whose power has diminished. He can't even hit the gaps anymore.
You lose Hicks, Frazier, Judge and Andujar (with Stanton not playing in the OF) - what real choices do they have?
And they still gave him a one year $1.8 Million contract. That - to me - is pretty generous by the Yankees. So I completely disagree with your take. He's been treated more than fairly.
was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
That's exactly right. What separates the major league pitchers from the minor league ones is consistency and being able to place pitches better (assuming the prerequisite skills are similar). What separates minor league hitters from major league hitters is minimizes their weak zones and being more selective on pitches.
There will be hitters that never successfully make the jump because they have a certain pitch they can't hit like a slider or curve or swing at pitches outside the zone. I don't know enough about what Florial has done to know if he's chasing pitches vs. not being able to hit a particular pitch.
FatMan - So which are you saying is the case? I honestly don't know. But, I have read his name for a couple of years as being a top prospect at a position of extreme need right now. I don't know how he will fare. But, I want to see him given a shot. Has he torn the cover off the ball in AAA to deserve it? Nope. But, the Yankees OF is a mess and one of their regulars is well past his mediocre prime, in Gardner. At this point, they literally have nothing to lose by letting a highly touted kid play everyday to see what they have. In a normal year, a contending team doesn't have this luxury. But, this year the Yankees have a number of guys grossly underperforming and now have mounting injuries on top of that. So, it's sink or swim with a guy you didn't intend to start regardless.
is either going to help now or he should be moved. No reason to wait with the many talented OFers that are going to creep up in 2022-2023.
He looked ready enough tonight.
Moved when his trade value has plummeted? That would be rather silly. He's too talented to move when his value is low, better off holding on to him until he stays healthy and hits consistently
is either going to help now or he should be moved. No reason to wait with the many talented OFers that are going to creep up in 2022-2023.
He looked ready enough tonight.
Moved when his trade value has plummeted? That would be rather silly. He's too talented to move when his value is low, better off holding on to him until he stays healthy and hits consistently
If he stays healthy and hits, why would they move him?
it was refreshing watching those kids play. ACTUAL BASERUNNING
expect him to set the world on fire, but better him than the corpse of Gardner. Allen can have LF to himself as far as I’m concerned, he provides energy and speed which have been lacking around here.
We needed the kids to come up to give a boost of energy, I don’t know what took them so long. Also perplexed why these organizational types are getting time ahead of actual prospects, Allen aside, our analytics dept blows.
In related prospect news, the guys to watch on the farm had a tremendous night last night:
AAA:
SP Deivi Garcia: 6.0 IP, 6H, 3R, 2BB, 9K
C Donny Sands: 2-5, R, 2B, HR, 4 RBI- Not much of a prospect, but recently promoted and a solid game
High A:
SS Anthony Volpe: 3-6, 4R, 2 2B, RBI, BB
2B Ezequel Duran: 3-5, 3R, 3B, 2HR, 6RBI, BB
C Josh Breaux: 2-4, HR, 2RBI, BB
CF Pablo Olivares: 3-5, 2B, 2RBI
Low A:
CF Jasson Dominguez: 1-5, K
DH Everson Pereira: 3-5, R, HR, 2RBI, 2K (up to .436 with Tampa)
In the FCL, a pair of our highly regarded 19 year olds had a day:
Game 1:
SS Alexander Vargas: 1-2, K, SB
Game 2:
SS Alexander Vargas: 2-5, R, 2B, 3B, RBI, 2K (up to .327/.400/.490 in 54 PA)
CF Kevin Alcantara: 2-4, 3R, HR, 2RBI, BB, 2K (up to .353/.476/.588 in 21 PA)
(Big hat tip to View from 314 for the farm system updates). I've linked below. DoTF - ( New Window )
What's going to happen when the COVID guys come back?
I hope not. At least one should stick. Andujar, for example is not a COVID scratch. He's hurt. In the OF, only Judge is in that category. If Andujar is still hurt (and even if he's healthy) these guys could be LF and CF down the stretch if they play decent. The sad part is, it won't be difficult to play well enough to unseat Gardner and Andujar everyday.
I know it's a dead horse already, but Stanton really needs to put out there also. Especially with Judge out, he should at least be in RF. This is thinking WAY ahead, but what happens if they actually make it to the WS? They either don't play their most expensive hitter when in the NL park or he plays his first game(s) of the year in the field in the most important game(s) of the year?
He was not a bad OF in Miami. They designated him as an everyday DH well before any injuries surface. This year he slimmed down and supposedly added flexibility. Let him dust off the glove and see what we've got. We need more flexibility with the lineup and DH spot.
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In comment 15309434 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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In related prospect news, the guys to watch on the farm had a tremendous night last night:
AAA:
SP Deivi Garcia: 6.0 IP, 6H, 3R, 2BB, 9K
C Donny Sands: 2-5, R, 2B, HR, 4 RBI- Not much of a prospect, but recently promoted and a solid game
High A:
SS Anthony Volpe: 3-6, 4R, 2 2B, RBI, BB
2B Ezequel Duran: 3-5, 3R, 3B, 2HR, 6RBI, BB
C Josh Breaux: 2-4, HR, 2RBI, BB
CF Pablo Olivares: 3-5, 2B, 2RBI
Low A:
CF Jasson Dominguez: 1-5, K
DH Everson Pereira: 3-5, R, HR, 2RBI, 2K (up to .436 with Tampa)
In the FCL, a pair of our highly regarded 19 year olds had a day:
Game 1:
SS Alexander Vargas: 1-2, K, SB
Game 2:
SS Alexander Vargas: 2-5, R, 2B, 3B, RBI, 2K (up to .327/.400/.490 in 54 PA)
CF Kevin Alcantara: 2-4, 3R, HR, 2RBI, BB, 2K (up to .353/.476/.588 in 21 PA)
(Big hat tip to View from 314 for the farm system updates). I've linked below. DoTF - ( New Window )
Why hasn't Garcia been called up? Why was he starting in AAA and Asher Wojciechowski, for example, expected to start tonight in the bigs? Among other things, the Yankees handling of their callups and prospects this year has been very puzzling to me.
RE: RE: Great to see Florial get his first big league HR
In comment 15309434 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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In related prospect news, the guys to watch on the farm had a tremendous night last night:
AAA:
SP Deivi Garcia: 6.0 IP, 6H, 3R, 2BB, 9K
C Donny Sands: 2-5, R, 2B, HR, 4 RBI- Not much of a prospect, but recently promoted and a solid game
High A:
SS Anthony Volpe: 3-6, 4R, 2 2B, RBI, BB
2B Ezequel Duran: 3-5, 3R, 3B, 2HR, 6RBI, BB
C Josh Breaux: 2-4, HR, 2RBI, BB
CF Pablo Olivares: 3-5, 2B, 2RBI
Low A:
CF Jasson Dominguez: 1-5, K
DH Everson Pereira: 3-5, R, HR, 2RBI, 2K (up to .436 with Tampa)
In the FCL, a pair of our highly regarded 19 year olds had a day:
Game 1:
SS Alexander Vargas: 1-2, K, SB
Game 2:
SS Alexander Vargas: 2-5, R, 2B, 3B, RBI, 2K (up to .327/.400/.490 in 54 PA)
CF Kevin Alcantara: 2-4, 3R, HR, 2RBI, BB, 2K (up to .353/.476/.588 in 21 PA)
(Big hat tip to View from 314 for the farm system updates). I've linked below. DoTF - ( New Window )
Why hasn't Garcia been called up? Why was he starting in AAA and Asher Wojciechowski, for example, expected to start tonight in the bigs? Among other things, the Yankees handling of their callups and prospects this year has been very puzzling to me.
And that was coming from someone who is not a huge Garcia fan. I fear he might be a AAAA pitcher. But, I'd rather have him up and starting than some of these other guys as the 5th starter/opener.
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In comment 15309434 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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In related prospect news, the guys to watch on the farm had a tremendous night last night:
AAA:
SP Deivi Garcia: 6.0 IP, 6H, 3R, 2BB, 9K
C Donny Sands: 2-5, R, 2B, HR, 4 RBI- Not much of a prospect, but recently promoted and a solid game
High A:
SS Anthony Volpe: 3-6, 4R, 2 2B, RBI, BB
2B Ezequel Duran: 3-5, 3R, 3B, 2HR, 6RBI, BB
C Josh Breaux: 2-4, HR, 2RBI, BB
CF Pablo Olivares: 3-5, 2B, 2RBI
Low A:
CF Jasson Dominguez: 1-5, K
DH Everson Pereira: 3-5, R, HR, 2RBI, 2K (up to .436 with Tampa)
In the FCL, a pair of our highly regarded 19 year olds had a day:
Game 1:
SS Alexander Vargas: 1-2, K, SB
Game 2:
SS Alexander Vargas: 2-5, R, 2B, 3B, RBI, 2K (up to .327/.400/.490 in 54 PA)
CF Kevin Alcantara: 2-4, 3R, HR, 2RBI, BB, 2K (up to .353/.476/.588 in 21 PA)
(Big hat tip to View from 314 for the farm system updates). I've linked below. DoTF - ( New Window )
Why hasn't Garcia been called up? Why was he starting in AAA and Asher Wojciechowski, for example, expected to start tonight in the bigs? Among other things, the Yankees handling of their callups and prospects this year has been very puzzling to me.
Until last night, Garcia has been dreadful at AAA. He’s got some things to work on
agree with you Jim in Hoboken about Florial. Let the kid play. At
like they updated each team's board including the new draft picks. Also looks like some overall rankings got shuffled around a bit, Yanks place 8 players in their top 125 prospects at this time.
#52- SS Oswald Peraza (AA)
#63- SP Luis Medina (AA)
#79- SS Alexander Vargas (FCL)
#90- SP Deivi Garcia (AAA)
#100- SS Anthony Volpe (High A)
#104- CF Jasson Dominguez (Low A)
#120- CF Kevin Alcantara (FCL)
#122- 2B Ezequiel Duran (High A)
As has been the case recently, lot of lower minors guys with tremendous upside, but a fair share of risk. These guys being the top 8 rated in the organization obviously, recent draft picks and their new organizational ranking:
The Rangers are scouting the Yankees, High-A Hudson Valley affiliate. Maybe just the normal scouting that goes on, or maybe they are possibly considering trading Joey Gallo to the Yanks. SBNation - ( New Window )
of Stanton's caliber look at more pitches down the middle, ever. He misses a hanging spinner, looks at a 93 in his zone, then looks at 95 mph belt high straight FB in the middle of the plate.
But without the innings. If he throws two innings in a game he can’t pitch more than an inning the next four days. Might as well make him a Yarbrough or something more impactful than this — I’m shocked he didn’t take this inning Makes no sense. They had Monday off and he got two outs with ease and low pitch count yesterday.
I find it hard to have a problem with dumping his ass
Yeah totally. No reason to believe in an abbreviated Covid year and pandemic that he would return to form.
He fell apart in 2019. He pitched like shit all of last year. Why would you think he would get better at age 35? I was absolutely glad they dumped him, without any reservation at all.
I find it hard to have a problem with dumping his ass
Yeah totally. No reason to believe in an abbreviated Covid year and pandemic that he would return to form.
He fell apart in 2019. He pitched like shit all of last year. Why would you think he would get better at age 35? I was absolutely glad they dumped him, without any reservation at all.
Yes. Because the current iteration of the bullpen couldn't use him, right? Nelson, Wilson, etc. Just Fucking stellar.
Regardless, this bullpen is a shitshow for a variety of reasons to include signings, poor evaluation, Covid, injuries and more.
I find it hard to have a problem with dumping his ass
Yeah totally. No reason to believe in an abbreviated Covid year and pandemic that he would return to form.
He fell apart in 2019. He pitched like shit all of last year. Why would you think he would get better at age 35? I was absolutely glad they dumped him, without any reservation at all.
Yes. Because the current iteration of the bullpen couldn't use him, right? Nelson, Wilson, etc. Just Fucking stellar.
Regardless, this bullpen is a shitshow for a variety of reasons to include signings, poor evaluation, Covid, injuries and more.
He sucks, period. He is just like the people you mentioned. He fell apart when he was needed in 2019. He never put it together at all last year. Why would they trust him to come back this year and be good.
a left handed hitter against a right handed pitcher for a guy like Gittens who can't hit major league pitching and is a right handed hitter then Wade needs to be DFA'd. If he can't hit in that spot over Gittens he shouldn't be on the roster
a left handed hitter against a right handed pitcher for a guy like Gittens who can't hit major league pitching and is a right handed hitter then Wade needs to be DFA'd. If he can't hit in that spot over Gittens he shouldn't be on the roster
this is fake baseball and i'd have preferred we go all in to win. If you are running on contact then better to have someone who is more likely to make contact. Hell even Brantly may have been a better option.
RE: Seriously this is worse than little league baseball
and make the batter swing with the barrel end if they’re going to continue with this fucking clown show garbage.
This is almost as bad as the penalty kicks to decide soccer games, where it all comes down to the goalie guessing which side to dive to. Instead of this ridiculous idea of starting the inning with a runner on 2B, they should go one better than soccer and have it decided by a hot dog-eating contest between the guy on each team who made the last out in the 9th inning.
Scoring should be a little more refined. It should be a NH at best
.
They had 4 walks and another Torres error in the 8th...
and won the game. That BP is a bit of a mess at this time.
I am not sure I have seen a reliever quite like Britton,
as Coney said, he really does need reps...with that movement.
Two of the walks were by Nelson, not a fan of the guy.
He can't handle pressure situations to me.
RE: RE: Fuck it. Why not just put a tee up there instead of a using a pitcher
and make the batter swing with the barrel end if they’re going to continue with this fucking clown show garbage.
This is almost as bad as the penalty kicks to decide soccer games, where it all comes down to the goalie guessing which side to dive to. Instead of this ridiculous idea of starting the inning with a runner on 2B, they should go one better than soccer and have it decided by a hot dog-eating contest between the guy on each team who made the last out in the 9th inning.
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It sounds like the idea is going to be short-lived...
stay tuned on that.
Scoring should be a little more refined. It should be a NH at best
.
They had 4 walks and another Torres error in the 8th...
and won the game. That BP is a bit of a mess at this time.
I am not sure I have seen a reliever quite like Britton,
as Coney said, he really does need reps...with that movement.
Two of the walks were by Nelson, not a fan of the guy.
He can't handle pressure situations to me.
Britton does need reps and with a three run lead you figure now is the time...
Nelson, he is such a slow starter - always seems to need 12 pitches to get some control. But IIRC he got squeezed on what should have been strike three to one batter.
I am also referring back to last year as well.
I recall about a half dozen times in so-called
'pressure situations' that he has failed.
Even if he got squeezed a bit, that is a trend.
He needs to be used in low leverage situations to me.
I don't have a problem with a salary dump of an Ottavino.
Here's where they missed the boat to me, on Whitlock!
You protect Nelson and Kriske, and not Whitlock.
That kid is most likely going to be a starter in a
couple years for the Sox, have seen him quite often
this year.
Britton does need reps and with a three run lead you figure now is the time...
Nelson, he is such a slow starter - always seems to need 12 pitches to get some control. But IIRC he got squeezed on what should have been strike three to one batter.
You do remember correctly because I said the same thing. I believe it was a pitch early in the Williams at bat who he ended up giving up the 2 run hit to. A FB on the outside corner, which was a MUCH better pitch than the one he rung DJL up on the half inning prior.
on how Whitlock slipped through the system. Watch him pitch and you know he is legit.
His numbers in the minors weren’t really anything special and, he was a rule 5 pick by the Sox last year. You can’t protect everyone. It happens. Hell, Johan Santana was a rule 5 pick.
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Britton does need reps and with a three run lead you figure now is the time...
Nelson, he is such a slow starter - always seems to need 12 pitches to get some control. But IIRC he got squeezed on what should have been strike three to one batter.
You do remember correctly because I said the same thing. I believe it was a pitch early in the Williams at bat who he ended up giving up the 2 run hit to. A FB on the outside corner, which was a MUCH better pitch than the one he rung DJL up on the half inning prior.
That was it..that was the pitch that the ump called sometimes and other times did not. And yes it was a better pitch than DJLM got punched out on. It was weird the way that bottom zone was called last night.
THey should give Hoy Park a shot too. The shithead analytics dept that rules the Yankees roost doesn't like him but he seems to meet the eye test. I guess he doesn't strike out enough LOL.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
I have heard that also.
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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
I have heard that also.
I also heard that the lighting is better. Which makes sense.
I home he gets a chance to play every day for awhile to see what he can do. In other words give him the Brent Gardner treatment. Go 0 for 10 and still start the next game.
At a certain point you just have to see what you got...
If by they you mean injuries to the team then yes,I agree but if you mean the team did this to him, I couldn’t disagree more.
They signed him to a pretty nice deal for what was supposed to be at most a 4th-5th outfielder. After last year he should be thanking the Yanks for that deal, and to me was almost like a golden parachute.
He’s been a fantastic Yankee and they’ve treated him as such. It’s just unfortunate he’s forced into this role now when his skills obviously don’t warrant the playing time.
His BA isn’t where you’d want it to be, obviously, and he strikes out too much. But he has hit 12 HRs so he is showing signs of life. He’s also walked 30 times, which gets back my earlier post about MLB versus MiLB pitching. Some of his struggles could be him getting frustrated by not getting pitches to hit. Who knows. He also plays a terrific CF and can steal some bases.
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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
I have heard that also.
If I recall correctly, Cano was one of those players. Scouts thought he was bored in the minors.
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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
That's exactly right. What separates the major league pitchers from the minor league ones is consistency and being able to place pitches better (assuming the prerequisite skills are similar). What separates minor league hitters from major league hitters is minimizes their weak zones and being more selective on pitches.
There will be hitters that never successfully make the jump because they have a certain pitch they can't hit like a slider or curve or swing at pitches outside the zone. I don't know enough about what Florial has done to know if he's chasing pitches vs. not being able to hit a particular pitch.
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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
That's exactly right. What separates the major league pitchers from the minor league ones is consistency and being able to place pitches better (assuming the prerequisite skills are similar). What separates minor league hitters from major league hitters is minimizes their weak zones and being more selective on pitches.
There will be hitters that never successfully make the jump because they have a certain pitch they can't hit like a slider or curve or swing at pitches outside the zone. I don't know enough about what Florial has done to know if he's chasing pitches vs. not being able to hit a particular pitch.
Since you are not a Yankee fan, you might not know 5hat Gardner who I am a fan of, is on his last leg.
This is a business, not Little League. Gardner has been horrific. I'm a big fan of Gardy, but he's completely cooked. I wonder if he was experimenting with some chemical help a couple years ago when he hit 28 HRs in 2019. He's got three this season. He had five last season. He's got 13 extra base hits this season in 199 ABs. That's absolutely awful for a guy with speed whose power has diminished. He can't even hit the gaps anymore.
You lose Hicks, Frazier, Judge and Andujar (with Stanton not playing in the OF) - what real choices do they have?
And they still gave him a one year $1.8 Million contract. That - to me - is pretty generous by the Yankees. So I completely disagree with your take. He's been treated more than fairly.
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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
That's exactly right. What separates the major league pitchers from the minor league ones is consistency and being able to place pitches better (assuming the prerequisite skills are similar). What separates minor league hitters from major league hitters is minimizes their weak zones and being more selective on pitches.
There will be hitters that never successfully make the jump because they have a certain pitch they can't hit like a slider or curve or swing at pitches outside the zone. I don't know enough about what Florial has done to know if he's chasing pitches vs. not being able to hit a particular pitch.
FatMan - So which are you saying is the case? I honestly don't know. But, I have read his name for a couple of years as being a top prospect at a position of extreme need right now. I don't know how he will fare. But, I want to see him given a shot. Has he torn the cover off the ball in AAA to deserve it? Nope. But, the Yankees OF is a mess and one of their regulars is well past his mediocre prime, in Gardner. At this point, they literally have nothing to lose by letting a highly touted kid play everyday to see what they have. In a normal year, a contending team doesn't have this luxury. But, this year the Yankees have a number of guys grossly underperforming and now have mounting injuries on top of that. So, it's sink or swim with a guy you didn't intend to start regardless.
Matt - I'm saying I don't know what the case is.
DJLM a late scratch...
Estevan Florial in CF. Spoke with Meredith pregame and speaks decent English. Nice that he and Torres are willing to speak in their 2nd language.
He fights of sliders, changes and others and looks at the knee high FB. I don't get it....
Wade has to get the runner in.
He's situational at this point. Not sure the value is there. But his inclusion in tonight's lineup is somewhat of an anomaly.
He's situational at this point. Not sure the value is there. But his inclusion in tonight's lineup is somewhat of an anomaly.
His max effort gets the ball to the pitcher. I've never seen a player with less in his bat. He makes Otis Nixon look like a starter.
He's situational at this point. Not sure the value is there. But his inclusion in tonight's lineup is somewhat of an anomaly.
Yeah. Is what it is.
Deep...to the bench!
Dude, it's open all night. Relax. You'll get there.
*K emoji*
Linda Ronstadt? You've been on vacation for two weeks and that all you have? Pathetic.
Gardy 25-1
Stanton 11-1
Odor 300-1
Gardy 25-1
Stanton 11-1
Odor 300-1
RP wins the prize..
We lost our Master-Blaster.
Welcome to the show young man.
6-3
Some speed. Different brand of baseball. Only a couple games, but this is a nice start.
6-4
AAAA Yankees win!
Win tomorrow and sweep these fucks.
Nice win
AAAA Yankees win!
Not as bad as some and Didi did offer at it a bit..whatever, he needed that.
Nice win
It really seems like after the HR he said "Fuck this, hit it if you can". And they couldn't.
But the velo is back out seems. I don't mind a little crazy wildness to keep batters honest.
It's a good step. A good win. Fun game.
Gotta win tomorrow though. Unbelievably important. Keep it rolling.
He looked ready enough tonight.
He looked ready enough tonight.
Moved when his trade value has plummeted? That would be rather silly. He's too talented to move when his value is low, better off holding on to him until he stays healthy and hits consistently
Stomach virus.
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Stomach virus.
Thanks.
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is either going to help now or he should be moved. No reason to wait with the many talented OFers that are going to creep up in 2022-2023.
He looked ready enough tonight.
Moved when his trade value has plummeted? That would be rather silly. He's too talented to move when his value is low, better off holding on to him until he stays healthy and hits consistently
If he stays healthy and hits, why would they move him?
Sanchez moon shot was impressive.
Sanchez moon shot was impressive.
sorry meant leg out the steal and taking third on the sac fly.
We needed the kids to come up to give a boost of energy, I don’t know what took them so long. Also perplexed why these organizational types are getting time ahead of actual prospects, Allen aside, our analytics dept blows.
AAA:
SP Deivi Garcia: 6.0 IP, 6H, 3R, 2BB, 9K
C Donny Sands: 2-5, R, 2B, HR, 4 RBI- Not much of a prospect, but recently promoted and a solid game
AA:
SP Janson Junk: 6.0 IP, 2H, R, 3BB, 5K
SS Oswald Peraza: 2-5, R, HR, RBI
CF Brandon Lockridge: 3-5, R, 2B, K
High A:
SS Anthony Volpe: 3-6, 4R, 2 2B, RBI, BB
2B Ezequel Duran: 3-5, 3R, 3B, 2HR, 6RBI, BB
C Josh Breaux: 2-4, HR, 2RBI, BB
CF Pablo Olivares: 3-5, 2B, 2RBI
Low A:
CF Jasson Dominguez: 1-5, K
DH Everson Pereira: 3-5, R, HR, 2RBI, 2K (up to .436 with Tampa)
In the FCL, a pair of our highly regarded 19 year olds had a day:
Game 1:
SS Alexander Vargas: 1-2, K, SB
Game 2:
SS Alexander Vargas: 2-5, R, 2B, 3B, RBI, 2K (up to .327/.400/.490 in 54 PA)
CF Kevin Alcantara: 2-4, 3R, HR, 2RBI, BB, 2K (up to .353/.476/.588 in 21 PA)
(Big hat tip to View from 314 for the farm system updates). I've linked below.
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I know it's a dead horse already, but Stanton really needs to put out there also. Especially with Judge out, he should at least be in RF. This is thinking WAY ahead, but what happens if they actually make it to the WS? They either don't play their most expensive hitter when in the NL park or he plays his first game(s) of the year in the field in the most important game(s) of the year?
He was not a bad OF in Miami. They designated him as an everyday DH well before any injuries surface. This year he slimmed down and supposedly added flexibility. Let him dust off the glove and see what we've got. We need more flexibility with the lineup and DH spot.
AAA:
SP Deivi Garcia: 6.0 IP, 6H, 3R, 2BB, 9K
C Donny Sands: 2-5, R, 2B, HR, 4 RBI- Not much of a prospect, but recently promoted and a solid game
AA:
SP Janson Junk: 6.0 IP, 2H, R, 3BB, 5K
SS Oswald Peraza: 2-5, R, HR, RBI
CF Brandon Lockridge: 3-5, R, 2B, K
High A:
SS Anthony Volpe: 3-6, 4R, 2 2B, RBI, BB
2B Ezequel Duran: 3-5, 3R, 3B, 2HR, 6RBI, BB
C Josh Breaux: 2-4, HR, 2RBI, BB
CF Pablo Olivares: 3-5, 2B, 2RBI
Low A:
CF Jasson Dominguez: 1-5, K
DH Everson Pereira: 3-5, R, HR, 2RBI, 2K (up to .436 with Tampa)
In the FCL, a pair of our highly regarded 19 year olds had a day:
Game 1:
SS Alexander Vargas: 1-2, K, SB
Game 2:
SS Alexander Vargas: 2-5, R, 2B, 3B, RBI, 2K (up to .327/.400/.490 in 54 PA)
CF Kevin Alcantara: 2-4, 3R, HR, 2RBI, BB, 2K (up to .353/.476/.588 in 21 PA)
(Big hat tip to View from 314 for the farm system updates). I've linked below. DoTF - ( New Window )
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In related prospect news, the guys to watch on the farm had a tremendous night last night:
AAA:
SP Deivi Garcia: 6.0 IP, 6H, 3R, 2BB, 9K
C Donny Sands: 2-5, R, 2B, HR, 4 RBI- Not much of a prospect, but recently promoted and a solid game
AA:
SP Janson Junk: 6.0 IP, 2H, R, 3BB, 5K
SS Oswald Peraza: 2-5, R, HR, RBI
CF Brandon Lockridge: 3-5, R, 2B, K
High A:
SS Anthony Volpe: 3-6, 4R, 2 2B, RBI, BB
2B Ezequel Duran: 3-5, 3R, 3B, 2HR, 6RBI, BB
C Josh Breaux: 2-4, HR, 2RBI, BB
CF Pablo Olivares: 3-5, 2B, 2RBI
Low A:
CF Jasson Dominguez: 1-5, K
DH Everson Pereira: 3-5, R, HR, 2RBI, 2K (up to .436 with Tampa)
In the FCL, a pair of our highly regarded 19 year olds had a day:
Game 1:
SS Alexander Vargas: 1-2, K, SB
Game 2:
SS Alexander Vargas: 2-5, R, 2B, 3B, RBI, 2K (up to .327/.400/.490 in 54 PA)
CF Kevin Alcantara: 2-4, 3R, HR, 2RBI, BB, 2K (up to .353/.476/.588 in 21 PA)
(Big hat tip to View from 314 for the farm system updates). I've linked below. DoTF - ( New Window )
Why hasn't Garcia been called up? Why was he starting in AAA and Asher Wojciechowski, for example, expected to start tonight in the bigs? Among other things, the Yankees handling of their callups and prospects this year has been very puzzling to me.
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In related prospect news, the guys to watch on the farm had a tremendous night last night:
AAA:
SP Deivi Garcia: 6.0 IP, 6H, 3R, 2BB, 9K
C Donny Sands: 2-5, R, 2B, HR, 4 RBI- Not much of a prospect, but recently promoted and a solid game
AA:
SP Janson Junk: 6.0 IP, 2H, R, 3BB, 5K
SS Oswald Peraza: 2-5, R, HR, RBI
CF Brandon Lockridge: 3-5, R, 2B, K
High A:
SS Anthony Volpe: 3-6, 4R, 2 2B, RBI, BB
2B Ezequel Duran: 3-5, 3R, 3B, 2HR, 6RBI, BB
C Josh Breaux: 2-4, HR, 2RBI, BB
CF Pablo Olivares: 3-5, 2B, 2RBI
Low A:
CF Jasson Dominguez: 1-5, K
DH Everson Pereira: 3-5, R, HR, 2RBI, 2K (up to .436 with Tampa)
In the FCL, a pair of our highly regarded 19 year olds had a day:
Game 1:
SS Alexander Vargas: 1-2, K, SB
Game 2:
SS Alexander Vargas: 2-5, R, 2B, 3B, RBI, 2K (up to .327/.400/.490 in 54 PA)
CF Kevin Alcantara: 2-4, 3R, HR, 2RBI, BB, 2K (up to .353/.476/.588 in 21 PA)
(Big hat tip to View from 314 for the farm system updates). I've linked below. DoTF - ( New Window )
Why hasn't Garcia been called up? Why was he starting in AAA and Asher Wojciechowski, for example, expected to start tonight in the bigs? Among other things, the Yankees handling of their callups and prospects this year has been very puzzling to me.
Until last night, Garcia has been dreadful at AAA. He’s got some things to work on
BigBlueShock is right about Deivi Garcia. He's really been struggling with command/control issues.
#52- SS Oswald Peraza (AA)
#63- SP Luis Medina (AA)
#79- SS Alexander Vargas (FCL)
#90- SP Deivi Garcia (AAA)
#100- SS Anthony Volpe (High A)
#104- CF Jasson Dominguez (Low A)
#120- CF Kevin Alcantara (FCL)
#122- 2B Ezequiel Duran (High A)
As has been the case recently, lot of lower minors guys with tremendous upside, but a fair share of risk. These guys being the top 8 rated in the organization obviously, recent draft picks and their new organizational ranking:
Clarke Schmidt- #9
Josh Smith- #12 (2019 2nd rounder)
Ken Waldichuk- #13 (2019 5th rounder)
Austin Wells- #15 (2020 1st rounder)
TJ Sikkema- #17 (2019 Comp A pick)
Trey Sweeney- #22 (2021 1st rounder)
Anthony Seigler- #25 (2018 1st rounder)
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He’s gone
FWIW, Odor has been playing reasonably well.
Would have liked to have seen Park in the infield, though.
B'more....
Eh, I don’t thinks so. If you look at the replay, it’s pretty clear by Howard’s expression and body language he didn’t mean to.
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Eh, I don’t thinks so. If you look at the replay, it’s pretty clear by Howard’s expression and body language he didn’t mean to.
He threw it right at him. Cone agreed. It was clearly a retaliation pitch.
Not in Realmuto's eyes or the team's. But it was stupid because Woj's was just a bad pitch by a bad pitcher and it exposed him to Stanton with 2 on...
That was a pretty decent AB by Florial despite the K.
There was absolutely no reason that replay took that long - that was as definitive a video as one could ask for...
Maybe Odor has a swing for Yankee Stadium...?
Saving him for the 9th?
The ball he struck out on was even further out of the zone. Fuck this guy.
Nelsons shitty control coming through
Wilson, Luetge and Nelson are much better.
Six outs to correct what could be a major deficit.
To quote noted philosopher Al Czervik...I should have just stayed home and played with myself...
Wilson, Luetge and Nelson are much better.
Six outs to correct what could be a major deficit.
Ottavino sucks
Yeah totally. No reason to believe in an abbreviated Covid year and pandemic that he would return to form.
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Yeah totally. No reason to believe in an abbreviated Covid year and pandemic that he would return to form.
He fell apart in 2019. He pitched like shit all of last year. Why would you think he would get better at age 35? I was absolutely glad they dumped him, without any reservation at all.
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I find it hard to have a problem with dumping his ass
Yeah totally. No reason to believe in an abbreviated Covid year and pandemic that he would return to form.
He fell apart in 2019. He pitched like shit all of last year. Why would you think he would get better at age 35? I was absolutely glad they dumped him, without any reservation at all.
Yes. Because the current iteration of the bullpen couldn't use him, right? Nelson, Wilson, etc. Just Fucking stellar.
Regardless, this bullpen is a shitshow for a variety of reasons to include signings, poor evaluation, Covid, injuries and more.
A successful steal gets him to 3rd if Allen grounds out and opens up another avenue for a run.
I really don't understand Poon.
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I find it hard to have a problem with dumping his ass
Yeah totally. No reason to believe in an abbreviated Covid year and pandemic that he would return to form.
He fell apart in 2019. He pitched like shit all of last year. Why would you think he would get better at age 35? I was absolutely glad they dumped him, without any reservation at all.
Yes. Because the current iteration of the bullpen couldn't use him, right? Nelson, Wilson, etc. Just Fucking stellar.
Regardless, this bullpen is a shitshow for a variety of reasons to include signings, poor evaluation, Covid, injuries and more.
He sucks, period. He is just like the people you mentioned. He fell apart when he was needed in 2019. He never put it together at all last year. Why would they trust him to come back this year and be good.
You are not wrong
Nail salon. 25 dolla.
*golf clap*
Any reason we think Odor had to face a lefty there?
That’s as bad as it gets in base running. Now up to Sanchez to bail Lemahiue and Nevin out
Fucking Christ.
*golf clap*
Any reason we think Odor had to face a lefty there?
Woo is coming in to hit? and who is playing 2nd base?
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*golf clap*
Any reason we think Odor had to face a lefty there?
Woo is coming in to hit? and who is playing 2nd base?
Lamarre hits. If we don't win, Brantly takes 1B and DJ slides to 2B.
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on contact.
*golf clap*
Any reason we think Odor had to face a lefty there?
Woo is coming in to hit? and who is playing 2nd base?
Lamarre hits. If we don't win, Brantly takes 1B and DJ slides to 2B.
Odor is a hell of a lot better than Lamarre..
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on contact.
*golf clap*
Any reason we think Odor had to face a lefty there?
Woo is coming in to hit? and who is playing 2nd base?
Lamarre hits. If we don't win, Brantly takes 1B and DJ slides to 2B.
Odor is a hell of a lot better than Lamarre..
Maybe but i've got the benefit of hindsight.
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on contact.
*golf clap*
Any reason we think Odor had to face a lefty there?
Woo is coming in to hit? and who is playing 2nd base?
Lamarre hits. If we don't win, Brantly takes 1B and DJ slides to 2B.
And who plays 3rd....
Gittens is on 1st..
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on contact.
*golf clap*
Any reason we think Odor had to face a lefty there?
Woo is coming in to hit? and who is playing 2nd base?
Lamarre hits. If we don't win, Brantly takes 1B and DJ slides to 2B.
And who plays 3rd....
Gittens is on 1st..
Sorry - Brantly plays 3rd. He's very likely got a hidden talent for the hot corner. The analytics gods are speaking here.
I mean the level of play in this game tonight. Not the runner on 2nd thing that's a stand alone shit show.
Great job by a bunch of pencil neck accountants. Thanks a lot.
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on contact.
*golf clap*
Any reason we think Odor had to face a lefty there?
Woo is coming in to hit? and who is playing 2nd base?
Lamarre hits. If we don't win, Brantly takes 1B and DJ slides to 2B.
And who plays 3rd....
Gittens is on 1st..
Sorry - Brantly plays 3rd. He's very likely got a hidden talent for the hot corner. The analytics gods are speaking here.
He is a catcher...not sure 3rd is in his repertoire
Hmmm
Lamarre. Just sayin.
4 series of wins in a row.
This is almost as bad as the penalty kicks to decide soccer games, where it all comes down to the goalie guessing which side to dive to. Instead of this ridiculous idea of starting the inning with a runner on 2B, they should go one better than soccer and have it decided by a hot dog-eating contest between the guy on each team who made the last out in the 9th inning.
They had 4 walks and another Torres error in the 8th...
and won the game. That BP is a bit of a mess at this time.
I am not sure I have seen a reliever quite like Britton,
as Coney said, he really does need reps...with that movement.
Two of the walks were by Nelson, not a fan of the guy.
He can't handle pressure situations to me.
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and make the batter swing with the barrel end if they’re going to continue with this fucking clown show garbage.
This is almost as bad as the penalty kicks to decide soccer games, where it all comes down to the goalie guessing which side to dive to. Instead of this ridiculous idea of starting the inning with a runner on 2B, they should go one better than soccer and have it decided by a hot dog-eating contest between the guy on each team who made the last out in the 9th inning.
It sounds like the idea is going to be short-lived...
stay tuned on that.
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Scoring should be a little more refined. It should be a NH at best
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They had 4 walks and another Torres error in the 8th...
and won the game. That BP is a bit of a mess at this time.
I am not sure I have seen a reliever quite like Britton,
as Coney said, he really does need reps...with that movement.
Two of the walks were by Nelson, not a fan of the guy.
He can't handle pressure situations to me.
Britton does need reps and with a three run lead you figure now is the time...
Nelson, he is such a slow starter - always seems to need 12 pitches to get some control. But IIRC he got squeezed on what should have been strike three to one batter.
I recall about a half dozen times in so-called
'pressure situations' that he has failed.
Even if he got squeezed a bit, that is a trend.
He needs to be used in low leverage situations to me.
I don't have a problem with a salary dump of an Ottavino.
Here's where they missed the boat to me, on Whitlock!
You protect Nelson and Kriske, and not Whitlock.
That kid is most likely going to be a starter in a
couple years for the Sox, have seen him quite often
this year.
Britton does need reps and with a three run lead you figure now is the time...
Nelson, he is such a slow starter - always seems to need 12 pitches to get some control. But IIRC he got squeezed on what should have been strike three to one batter.
You do remember correctly because I said the same thing. I believe it was a pitch early in the Williams at bat who he ended up giving up the 2 run hit to. A FB on the outside corner, which was a MUCH better pitch than the one he rung DJL up on the half inning prior.
His numbers in the minors weren’t really anything special and, he was a rule 5 pick by the Sox last year. You can’t protect everyone. It happens. Hell, Johan Santana was a rule 5 pick.
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Britton does need reps and with a three run lead you figure now is the time...
Nelson, he is such a slow starter - always seems to need 12 pitches to get some control. But IIRC he got squeezed on what should have been strike three to one batter.
You do remember correctly because I said the same thing. I believe it was a pitch early in the Williams at bat who he ended up giving up the 2 run hit to. A FB on the outside corner, which was a MUCH better pitch than the one he rung DJL up on the half inning prior.
That was it..that was the pitch that the ump called sometimes and other times did not. And yes it was a better pitch than DJLM got punched out on. It was weird the way that bottom zone was called last night.