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bwitz : 7/20/2021 1:39 pm
Had to happen sometime with the way these injuries are going
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If physical skills  
Beer Man : 7/20/2021 2:50 pm : link
was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.
why not? give him a shot. he's athletic and fast  
Victor in CT : 7/20/2021 3:13 pm : link
and .211 ba with a .708 OPS is probably top 3 on this team. at least he's a legit CF too.

THey should give Hoy Park a shot too. The shithead analytics dept that rules the Yankees roost doesn't like him but he seems to meet the eye test. I guess he doesn't strike out enough LOL.
RE: If physical skills  
BigBlueShock : 7/20/2021 3:28 pm : link
In comment 15308843 Beer Man said:
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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.

I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes
RE: RE: If physical skills  
section125 : 7/20/2021 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15308867 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15308843 Beer Man said:


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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.


I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes


I have heard that also.
RE: RE: RE: If physical skills  
mitch300 : 7/20/2021 3:56 pm : link
In comment 15308869 section125 said:
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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.


I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes



I have heard that also.

I also heard that the lighting is better. Which makes sense.
I home he gets a chance to play every day for awhile to see what he can do. In other words give him the Brent Gardner treatment. Go 0 for 10 and still start the next game.
Countless players have risen to the occasion  
NoGainDayne : 7/20/2021 4:01 pm : link
above where they were in the minors and countless have been fantastic and shriveled.

At a certain point you just have to see what you got...
Gardner Treatment  
Samiam : 7/20/2021 4:02 pm : link
So a guy who has done zero as a professional baseball player and is only here as an emergency replacement should be treated the same as a guy who has played and contributed for years to a successful franchise. Not a Yankee fan but I would think that a real Yankee fan would be embarrassed by some of the stupidity that shows up in these posts.
They don't really hve any other options  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2021 4:04 pm : link
But I'm not expecting much. Florial simply hasn't hit at all since his injury.
I do kind of hate what they've done to Brett Gardner  
NoGainDayne : 7/20/2021 4:07 pm : link
I used to like him a lot but they've made me watch him like practically shrivel up and die as a baseball player.
RE: I do kind of hate what they've done to Brett Gardner  
Eman11 : 7/20/2021 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15308910 NoGainDayne said:
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I used to like him a lot but they've made me watch him like practically shrivel up and die as a baseball player.


If by they you mean injuries to the team then yes,I agree but if you mean the team did this to him, I couldn’t disagree more.

They signed him to a pretty nice deal for what was supposed to be at most a 4th-5th outfielder. After last year he should be thanking the Yanks for that deal, and to me was almost like a golden parachute.

He’s been a fantastic Yankee and they’ve treated him as such. It’s just unfortunate he’s forced into this role now when his skills obviously don’t warrant the playing time.
RE: They don't really hve any other options  
BigBlueShock : 7/20/2021 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15308905 Greg from LI said:
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But I'm not expecting much. Florial simply hasn't hit at all since his injury.

His BA isn’t where you’d want it to be, obviously, and he strikes out too much. But he has hit 12 HRs so he is showing signs of life. He’s also walked 30 times, which gets back my earlier post about MLB versus MiLB pitching. Some of his struggles could be him getting frustrated by not getting pitches to hit. Who knows. He also plays a terrific CF and can steal some bases.
RE: RE: RE: If physical skills  
bwitz : 7/20/2021 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15308869 section125 said:
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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.


I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes



I have heard that also.


If I recall correctly, Cano was one of those players. Scouts thought he was bored in the minors.
RE: RE: If physical skills  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/20/2021 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15308867 BigBlueShock said:
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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.


I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes


That's exactly right. What separates the major league pitchers from the minor league ones is consistency and being able to place pitches better (assuming the prerequisite skills are similar). What separates minor league hitters from major league hitters is minimizes their weak zones and being more selective on pitches.

There will be hitters that never successfully make the jump because they have a certain pitch they can't hit like a slider or curve or swing at pitches outside the zone. I don't know enough about what Florial has done to know if he's chasing pitches vs. not being able to hit a particular pitch.
RE: RE: RE: If physical skills  
Matt M. : 7/20/2021 5:47 pm : link
In comment 15308974 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.


I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes



That's exactly right. What separates the major league pitchers from the minor league ones is consistency and being able to place pitches better (assuming the prerequisite skills are similar). What separates minor league hitters from major league hitters is minimizes their weak zones and being more selective on pitches.

There will be hitters that never successfully make the jump because they have a certain pitch they can't hit like a slider or curve or swing at pitches outside the zone. I don't know enough about what Florial has done to know if he's chasing pitches vs. not being able to hit a particular pitch.
FatMan - So which are you saying is the case? I honestly don't know. But, I have read his name for a couple of years as being a top prospect at a position of extreme need right now. I don't know how he will fare. But, I want to see him given a shot. Has he torn the cover off the ball in AAA to deserve it? Nope. But, the Yankees OF is a mess and one of their regulars is well past his mediocre prime, in Gardner. At this point, they literally have nothing to lose by letting a highly touted kid play everyday to see what they have. In a normal year, a contending team doesn't have this luxury. But, this year the Yankees have a number of guys grossly underperforming and now have mounting injuries on top of that. So, it's sink or swim with a guy you didn't intend to start regardless.
RE: Gardner Treatment  
mitch300 : 7/20/2021 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15308901 Samiam said:
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So a guy who has done zero as a professional baseball player and is only here as an emergency replacement should be treated the same as a guy who has played and contributed for years to a successful franchise. Not a Yankee fan but I would think that a real Yankee fan would be embarrassed by some of the stupidity that shows up in these posts.

Since you are not a Yankee fan, you might not know 5hat Gardner who I am a fan of, is on his last leg.
My  
mitch300 : 7/20/2021 6:36 pm : link
Point is that the Yankees have a very short fuse when either a pitcher or position player is called up. If a m8nor leaguer pitcher was brought up and pitched like Wilson, he would be sent down the next day. Yes, I understand Wilson doesn’t have options to be sent out. Still very frustrating as a fan.
RE: Gardner Treatment  
Bricktop : 7/20/2021 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15308901 Samiam said:
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So a guy who has done zero as a professional baseball player and is only here as an emergency replacement should be treated the same as a guy who has played and contributed for years to a successful franchise. Not a Yankee fan but I would think that a real Yankee fan would be embarrassed by some of the stupidity that shows up in these posts.


This is a business, not Little League. Gardner has been horrific. I'm a big fan of Gardy, but he's completely cooked. I wonder if he was experimenting with some chemical help a couple years ago when he hit 28 HRs in 2019. He's got three this season. He had five last season. He's got 13 extra base hits this season in 199 ABs. That's absolutely awful for a guy with speed whose power has diminished. He can't even hit the gaps anymore.

You lose Hicks, Frazier, Judge and Andujar (with Stanton not playing in the OF) - what real choices do they have?

And they still gave him a one year $1.8 Million contract. That - to me - is pretty generous by the Yankees. So I completely disagree with your take. He's been treated more than fairly.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If physical skills  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/20/2021 7:25 pm : link
In comment 15308983 Matt M. said:
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was all that a player needed this guy would be a star. But if he doesn't learn to how to put the bat on the ball, he is destine to become another over-hyped Yankee prospect that gets traded for a career back-up rental.


I know it may sound strange to some, but sometimes getting ABs at the MLB level can actually help players that struggle with controlling the zone. MLB pitchers have better stuff but they also have better command and tend to throw more strikes



That's exactly right. What separates the major league pitchers from the minor league ones is consistency and being able to place pitches better (assuming the prerequisite skills are similar). What separates minor league hitters from major league hitters is minimizes their weak zones and being more selective on pitches.

There will be hitters that never successfully make the jump because they have a certain pitch they can't hit like a slider or curve or swing at pitches outside the zone. I don't know enough about what Florial has done to know if he's chasing pitches vs. not being able to hit a particular pitch.

FatMan - So which are you saying is the case? I honestly don't know. But, I have read his name for a couple of years as being a top prospect at a position of extreme need right now. I don't know how he will fare. But, I want to see him given a shot. Has he torn the cover off the ball in AAA to deserve it? Nope. But, the Yankees OF is a mess and one of their regulars is well past his mediocre prime, in Gardner. At this point, they literally have nothing to lose by letting a highly touted kid play everyday to see what they have. In a normal year, a contending team doesn't have this luxury. But, this year the Yankees have a number of guys grossly underperforming and now have mounting injuries on top of that. So, it's sink or swim with a guy you didn't intend to start regardless.


Matt - I'm saying I don't know what the case is.
German Ks Harper  
section125 : 7/20/2021 7:40 pm : link
and McCutchen to end the 1st. His ball looks lively.

DJLM a late scratch...

Estevan Florial in CF. Spoke with Meredith pregame and speaks decent English. Nice that he and Torres are willing to speak in their 2nd language.
Allen triples to start the 3rd  
section125 : 7/20/2021 8:23 pm : link
and Florial grounds to deep 1st to drive in Allen. Tie game 1-1
Stanton strikes out again  
Bricktop : 7/20/2021 8:25 pm : link
He's just such an asset to this team.
RE: Stanton strikes out again  
section125 : 7/20/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15309093 Bricktop said:
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He's just such an asset to this team.


He fights of sliders, changes and others and looks at the knee high FB. I don't get it....
Struck McCutchen out twice there.  
bwitz : 7/20/2021 8:49 pm : link
Fuckin shitty ump behind the plate tonight.
Florial  
Bricktop : 7/20/2021 8:57 pm : link
Doing what he needs to do. Allen with some speed.

Wade has to get the runner in.
Allen needs to stay on this team for the rest of the season  
bwitz : 7/20/2021 8:57 pm : link
1st and 3rd one out  
section125 : 7/20/2021 8:58 pm : link
and Torres Ks....cannot put the ball in play. Awful hitting.
Speed kills  
bwitz : 7/20/2021 9:00 pm : link
Very nice! Tie game.
Gardy with a Stadium  
Bricktop : 7/20/2021 9:01 pm : link
jobber!
Old man Gardy with the homer!  
bwitz : 7/20/2021 9:01 pm : link
3-2 Yanks.
Worm burner for Stanton  
bwitz : 7/20/2021 9:02 pm : link
Fuck it, I’ll take it.
Christ I just saw  
section125 : 7/20/2021 9:11 pm : link
Cessa K McCutchen twice and you all are about 10 minutes ahead.....
The game looks 10 minutes faster because of Greg Allen.  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/20/2021 9:20 pm : link
God, how I miss having athletic players on the team....
Fans at the Stadium  
Bricktop : 7/20/2021 9:22 pm : link
losing their fuckin minds lately.
There’s gotta be someone better in AAA  
bwitz : 7/20/2021 9:23 pm : link
than Luetge. To quote Bob Barker from Billy Madison, “This guy sucks!”
Gary with a bomb  
bwitz : 7/20/2021 9:29 pm : link
4-2 Yanks.
Suddenly, this team is becoming fun to watch  
rnargi : 7/20/2021 9:33 pm : link
Seems they're playing baseball again. Small same size, UT I'm enjoying it and encouraged.
One thing when Gary gets into one  
Stu11 : 7/20/2021 9:33 pm : link
He gets into it.
*sample  
rnargi : 7/20/2021 9:34 pm : link
...
Wade  
RasputinPrime : 7/20/2021 9:45 pm : link
just no. No more.
Tyler Wade  
bwitz : 7/20/2021 9:47 pm : link
Gross.
Not playing Wade  
Bricktop : 7/20/2021 9:53 pm : link
wasn't an option tonight with DJ out.

He's situational at this point. Not sure the value is there. But his inclusion in tonight's lineup is somewhat of an anomaly.
RE: Not playing Wade  
RasputinPrime : 7/20/2021 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15309156 Bricktop said:
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wasn't an option tonight with DJ out.

He's situational at this point. Not sure the value is there. But his inclusion in tonight's lineup is somewhat of an anomaly.


His max effort gets the ball to the pitcher. I've never seen a player with less in his bat. He makes Otis Nixon look like a starter.
C’mon man  
bwitz : 7/20/2021 9:57 pm : link
Please don’t let that Waded inning fuck them.
RE: Not playing Wade  
bwitz : 7/20/2021 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15309156 Bricktop said:
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wasn't an option tonight with DJ out.

He's situational at this point. Not sure the value is there. But his inclusion in tonight's lineup is somewhat of an anomaly.


Yeah. Is what it is.
Rocky Dennis  
Bricktop : 7/20/2021 10:00 pm : link
Is gonna blow this.
I can see Hoskins  
RasputinPrime : 7/20/2021 10:01 pm : link
going deep
Green got  
RasputinPrime : 7/20/2021 10:02 pm : link
a very very very generous call.
RE: I can see Hoskins  
rnargi : 7/20/2021 10:02 pm : link
In comment 15309165 RasputinPrime said:
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going deep


Deep...to the bench!
Thanks for the gift ump!  
bwitz : 7/20/2021 10:02 pm : link
Carlson has dinner reservations  
Bricktop : 7/20/2021 10:04 pm : link
at McDonald's.

Dude, it's open all night. Relax. You'll get there.
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