The us federation over the fact that fifa pays the men’s teams in World Cup more than the woman’s World Cup is annoying to say the least. 1) the men’s World Cup makes 1000x more (or realistically 50x) and 2) the US federation has zero control over that. Instead you get a bunch of bozos with kids who play soccer hooting and hollering over discrimination which could not be farther from truth.
Rest of the world catching up to the USA women's soccer
Women's soccer leagues in Europe very strong now.France,Spain,Italy,Great Britain,Germany and Sweden have very strong women's soccer teams.
USA also has some age at key positions now(Loyld,Morgan,Rapnoe and Heath in their 30's). Time for the young players to step up.
The us federation over the fact that fifa pays the men’s teams in World Cup more than the woman’s World Cup is annoying to say the least. 1) the men’s World Cup makes 1000x more (or realistically 50x) and 2) the US federation has zero control over that. Instead you get a bunch of bozos with kids who play soccer hooting and hollering over discrimination which could not be farther from truth.
Someone on Twitter broke it down. One, the women's team turned down the Men's deal. They wanted more benefits since the men's team gets benefits from their original jobs. Two, the women made more tham the men. The women are focusing on one portion of the contract where if the men won the title they get more money. No shit. The men structures their contract as a pay for play contract. They lost so they didn't get paid. The women's contract was more even distributed so they didn't have to win the gold to make most of their money. They lost in court for a reason. And what they don't like to point out is that they negotiated their contract.
The us federation over the fact that fifa pays the men’s teams in World Cup more than the woman’s World Cup is annoying to say the least. 1) the men’s World Cup makes 1000x more (or realistically 50x) and 2) the US federation has zero control over that. Instead you get a bunch of bozos with kids who play soccer hooting and hollering over discrimination which could not be farther from truth.
Someone on Twitter broke it down. One, the women's team turned down the Men's deal. They wanted more benefits since the men's team gets benefits from their original jobs. Two, the women made more tham the men. The women are focusing on one portion of the contract where if the men won the title they get more money. No shit. The men structures their contract as a pay for play contract. They lost so they didn't get paid. The women's contract was more even distributed so they didn't have to win the gold to make most of their money. They lost in court for a reason. And what they don't like to point out is that they negotiated their contract.
Exactly. Came on here to type exactly that, but you said it first.
but when they were quiet and didn’t say anything everyone loved them. If you dont like Rapinoe, fine, but most of that team isn’t as outspoken.
How can anyone dislike Lavelle or Press or Heath?
It's not about being quiet but they lost in court(appealed) and they are still misleading/lying. their union negotiated the contract. It's more annoying that its always a conversation abt pay as opposed to the game.
not sure if they could get sued but they should boycott/strike if they truly feel this is unfair
I pay more attention to performances than the off the field stuff
that they talk about how much more successful they are then the men's team in relation to their ridiculous pay complaints. I tell you one thing, the men's team would beat them handily, let alone a U-15 team.
The reason they are so much more successful than the men's teams? Because for a long time, women in the U.S. have had far more opportunities in sport than women in much of the rest of the world. Yet, they play victim because they signed a contract which had less risk, but less reward, and more security.
but when they were quiet and didn’t say anything everyone loved them. If you dont like Rapinoe, fine, but most of that team isn’t as outspoken.
How can anyone dislike Lavelle or Press or Heath?
I know right? It is amazing how unpopular women get when they advocate strongly for themselves and their causes. Also the revenue arguement compared to the men is bogus too. As of 2019 women's jersey sales and game revenues out paced the men for the previous 3 years. the tv rights are sold as a package for all us soccer games men and women so it's near impossible to break that revenue down. I agree that the CBA is negotiated and they have a tough leg to stand on there but the game field conditions and accomadations are not equal to the men and they should be. Also the men traditionally have had a much stronger bargaining position. My daughter is a sports nut but hates soccer so this is not about that. I love watching their games and find them fun.
RE: Their propaganda campaign where they are constantly suing
The us federation over the fact that fifa pays the men’s teams in World Cup more than the woman’s World Cup is annoying to say the least. 1) the men’s World Cup makes 1000x more (or realistically 50x) and 2) the US federation has zero control over that. Instead you get a bunch of bozos with kids who play soccer hooting and hollering over discrimination which could not be farther from truth.
Totally agreed. The deal they proposed would have bankrupted US Soccer and you have these dummies that don’t even follow soccer using them as another false example of wage gap.
Whose paying for this litigious behavior? No way the lawyers were working contingent on a win, anyone with half a brain cell saw this ending in a loss 99 percent of the time.
These are just a bunch of women who are mad their sports don’t make as much money as male sports. The deal they had in place was tremendous and exactly why you have seen these older players hold onto their place.
They’ve certainly stifled the growth of the team because young players don’t get call ups. Look at the cap numbers vs the men’s team, it’s crazy! Not surprised that’s finally catching up. They were able to take advantage of the unique title 9 situation here, good for them, but the political nonsense behind their campaign is gross and reeks of greed.
What does the fact that the men's team can beat the women's
but when they were quiet and didn’t say anything everyone loved them. If you dont like Rapinoe, fine, but most of that team isn’t as outspoken.
How can anyone dislike Lavelle or Press or Heath?
It's not about being quiet but they lost in court(appealed) and they are still misleading/lying. their union negotiated the contract. It's more annoying that its always a conversation abt pay as opposed to the game.
not sure if they could get sued but they should boycott/strike if they truly feel this is unfair
You can just ignore it, its really really harmless. Its their business and if this is they route they take, so be it. Doesn't change what happens when they step on the field which is usually high quality soccer.
And just because the union negotiated the contract doesn't mean you have to like it.
but when they were quiet and didn’t say anything everyone loved them. If you dont like Rapinoe, fine, but most of that team isn’t as outspoken.
How can anyone dislike Lavelle or Press or Heath?
It's not about being quiet but they lost in court(appealed) and they are still misleading/lying. their union negotiated the contract. It's more annoying that its always a conversation abt pay as opposed to the game.
not sure if they could get sued but they should boycott/strike if they truly feel this is unfair
You can just ignore it, its really really harmless. Its their business and if this is they route they take, so be it. Doesn't change what happens when they step on the field which is usually high quality soccer.
And just because the union negotiated the contract doesn't mean you have to like it.
when it's in your face as a fan its off putting, could just be me. Clearly w/e internal process they used did not work so they made it public. its to the point where this has been an issue for long time and the facts dont favor them.
baseball and softball are Olympic sports again for the first time in 13 years, as Japan wanted those sports. They likely won't be Olympic sports in 2024, as from all reports I have read, Paris doesn't plan to have those sports. Presumably because they aren't good at them. That's a pretty dumb way to determine whether sports are in the Olympics or not.
I don't want to be that guy but it seems like the tiniest thing bothers a whole lot of people when they can easily just ignore it. If Meghan Rapinoe is talking post game about something I don't want to listen to I'll just turn it off.
Something being in my face would require it to be directed at me specifically. The USWNT took their shot on this and it didn't work out the way they wanted, really not that big of a deal.
As for greed, its everywhere in sports so I get that they wanted their piece of the pie.
RE: What does the fact that the men's team can beat the women's
The world is absolutely full of people who construct flimsy and incomplete arguments to get paid more.
Some otherwise delightful people are nuts when it comes to their sense of what they should get paid.
The world is full of people who resent what others get paid and spend a lot of mental energy on their resentment.
Imo, ever be on a team where toughness, defiance, group think was part of the secret sauce of their success? Ever notice its hard to say " we are all getting paid enough" to people half way through an average of a ten year peak pay period - and the most verbally adept and aggressive ones are the ones lobbying the hardest. You dont think the inner dynamics of that team couldnt out do Mean Girls by a factor of 100x?
So I tune it out, once its roughly fair pay, I dont care what they all get paid. Nothing I can do about it. So I just watch it. I like the team and most of the personalities on the field. Some of them are very very good. They play hard, they do a lot of things well a very high percent of the time.
Fact is the USWNT winning percentage is greater than the Yankees, Canadiens, Celtics or Lakers. The UCLA Wooden years or Bill Russell years is the closest I remember. Excellence is fun to watch
So I think the pride on all other issues is well earned.
On pay....if they were really fighting for the sport...the NWSL has to establish itself financially first. Its far from an essential sport or living on the front lines. Its a game. They get adulation and pay to play a game. Enjoy it.
Lol. It's "weird and stupid" to go bragging as the women's team how much more successful you are than the men's team, when you can't even beat 14/15 year old boy's teams. It's a different sport.
In Europe, South American, the Middle East, and other countries across the world, soccer is THE men's sport, if not one of the most popular. In those countries most of the best athletes play soccer from a young age. Here in the U.S., a lot of the best athletes play basketball, football, baseball, etc.
On the other hand, culturally, it is not as popular for women to play sports in many of those countries as it is in the United States. In some of those countries, women have virtually no rights.
So, in the women comparing their results to the men's results it has been apples to oranges. It's not that hard to understand. The men's team is competing with some of the best athletes in the world that have been in programs developing their talent for decades. The women's team have not been playing the same level of competition within the respective sports. That is a trend that is changing.
Getting worked up about athletes tying to maximize their pay seems strange. There is a very small window for them to cash in on their talents and it isn't our money they are taking, so what skin do we have in it to comment?
And the team would be just as good no matter what they are paid because they are competitors. My wife's cousin was the US men's lacrosse goalie for a few years, won a World Championship, and played 12 years in the MLL. Won three titles. All the time, he was working a second job and basically his expenses were covered and he got a couple hundred dollars outside of that a game plus a bonus for winning. He said the most he ever made in a season was $30K. I bet most people don't even know his name - Adam Fullerton. Today, lacrosse is still not that well compensated outside of the very top guys, but that doesn't impact how competitive they are. And if lacrosse players end up getting more money, I'll applaud them instead of jeer.
The world is absolutely full of people who construct flimsy and incomplete arguments to get paid more.
Some otherwise delightful people are nuts when it comes to their sense of what they should get paid.
The world is full of people who resent what others get paid and spend a lot of mental energy on their resentment.
Imo, ever be on a team where toughness, defiance, group think was part of the secret sauce of their success? Ever notice its hard to say " we are all getting paid enough" to people half way through an average of a ten year peak pay period - and the most verbally adept and aggressive ones are the ones lobbying the hardest. You dont think the inner dynamics of that team couldnt out do Mean Girls by a factor of 100x?
So I tune it out, once its roughly fair pay, I dont care what they all get paid. Nothing I can do about it. So I just watch it. I like the team and most of the personalities on the field. Some of them are very very good. They play hard, they do a lot of things well a very high percent of the time.
Fact is the USWNT winning percentage is greater than the Yankees, Canadiens, Celtics or Lakers. The UCLA Wooden years or Bill Russell years is the closest I remember. Excellence is fun to watch
So I think the pride on all other issues is well earned.
On pay....if they were really fighting for the sport...the NWSL has to establish itself financially first. Its far from an essential sport or living on the front lines. Its a game. They get adulation and pay to play a game. Enjoy it.
imo
From Bill Gates on down, I honestly don't give a crap how much other people have or make. I know what I make and if it's not enough to meet my needs I bitch( although TBH, I mostly just readjust me needs). Otherwise, I'm good.
People own yachts and Cesnas; it's not something I waste time thinking about.
There's wanting a bigger piece of the pie, and there's wanting
to bankrupt US Soccer type pay when you already are subsidized by Mens World Cup Money. They used the one year the men didn't make it(which essentially probably won't ever happen again) as their financial argument for unfair pay.
It would be like paying an employee 20 an hour that only produces 15 an hour and they come back to you and say thats not enough, I want 25 an hour. It's ridiculous and obvious to anyone with any iota of sense. I'm generally very pro-worker because they don't have any real leverage generally, but this reeks of greed. They were opportunistic and jumped on the women's rights bandwagon that ebbs and flows. This does a massive disservice to women that are disadvantaged. I'm not sure why it's controversial this doesn't sit well with some people.
make under $225K. The highest paid NBA player is Curry, who makes $43 million. That is a factor of nearly 200x as much pay. It's not news that in the sports industry, there are pay differences between men and women. But there is a reason for this. If the market for the WNBA was the same as it was for the NBA, we would be telling a different story.
In the instance of USMNT and USWNT, the parties signed very different contracts. So the fact that the market demand for the two sports is very different is immaterial. When the USWNT contract is up, they can renegotiate their contract. They may even wind up making more money than the men in that instance, depending on the success of the respective teams.
1) Dunn is not a left back. Very good player but she is playing out of position. She is all around better than others at the position right now...but driving up her side of the field has been a weakness we cant figure out for a couple of years and against good teams it matters. The Brits, French and the Netherland teams tried to do the same thing in the WC tournament.
Ertz in midfield is their MVP. And one of the very best players in the world. When she is out or injured a differentiating strength of the team becomes a crippling weakness on defense and offense. She played in the second half and the improvement in movement and organization was clear.
Morgan and Lloyd are not good enough distributors or defenders. I have never liked Lloyds game. Morgan is a winger that is effective against some styles and teams and a weakness when the other team plays back and plays defense well. She doesnt appear to be as fast as she used to be and speed was a big factor in her success in the past.
I dont think there are younger players that are better but not on the team. As sports goes it seems a meritocracy viewed over a two and a half decade span
Investing personal energy in the labor disputes of athletes is one of the most bizarre pursuits for fans.
Answer this: at the outcome of this dispute, I’m impacted because ______.
I agree with you for the most part. I don't give a shit what someone makes. Nobody here gives a shit either. What they do care about is the false narrative that was perpetuated that is part of a larger false narrative. The women signed a contract, and as it worked out, they were paid less than the men were because of how the contract was constructed.
to bankrupt US Soccer type pay when you already are subsidized by Mens World Cup Money. They used the one year the men didn't make it(which essentially probably won't ever happen again) as their financial argument for unfair pay.
It would be like paying an employee 20 an hour that only produces 15 an hour and they come back to you and say thats not enough, I want 25 an hour. It's ridiculous and obvious to anyone with any iota of sense. I'm generally very pro-worker because they don't have any real leverage generally, but this reeks of greed. They were opportunistic and jumped on the women's rights bandwagon that ebbs and flows. This does a massive disservice to women that are disadvantaged. I'm not sure why it's controversial this doesn't sit well with some people.
I think its a reasonable take, I just wouldn't be appalled by it like some seem to be. Labor disputes get ugly, and usually its because of greed on one or both sides. And they are also responsible for bringing a lot of positive conversations to light which I think is often glossed over.
I ignore so much about what I like so that I can still like it.
It's sort of amazing to me the way politics (or more like perceived 'not-my-tribe' identifications) can stick in people's craw so easily. First to admit, it happens to me, too.
In my case I've tried to be more aware of it, and have found it tempering, and look for commonalities, and they're there.
In the same breath can we really bitch about socialism or marxism or whatever scary word of the day today, and also at the same time people fighting for their share of the pie - however slanted the attempt.
to bankrupt US Soccer type pay when you already are subsidized by Mens World Cup Money. They used the one year the men didn't make it(which essentially probably won't ever happen again) as their financial argument for unfair pay.
It would be like paying an employee 20 an hour that only produces 15 an hour and they come back to you and say thats not enough, I want 25 an hour. It's ridiculous and obvious to anyone with any iota of sense. I'm generally very pro-worker because they don't have any real leverage generally, but this reeks of greed. They were opportunistic and jumped on the women's rights bandwagon that ebbs and flows. This does a massive disservice to women that are disadvantaged. I'm not sure why it's controversial this doesn't sit well with some people.
I think its a reasonable take, I just wouldn't be appalled by it like some seem to be. Labor disputes get ugly, and usually its because of greed on one or both sides. And they are also responsible for bringing a lot of positive conversations to light which I think is often glossed over.
I'm a big USMNT fan and the way they wanted to structure it would bankrupt US Soccer, it was preposterous. Even if they were forced to come to a settlement, it would have really hurt the Men's side. A side that already subsidizes their wages. It isn't like they are destitute. Shit they have 75% paid maternity leave for a year in a career that completely matches with child-rearing age!
Then you have to listen to this preposterous narrative that the women aren't paid fairly that's completely disingenuous. People protesting outside events and that ridiculous HBO doc that has a 100 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. It's annoying and an acute example of a larger problem and it has become a larger talking point whether people want to hear it or not. I mean the President weighed in with his misinformed opinion as a way to curry political favor. It's just fucking annoying at this point.
Really? I enjoy the USWNT a lot. Surprised they got smoked like that.
Agreed
Why are they unlikeable?
agreed
USA also has some age at key positions now(Loyld,Morgan,Rapnoe and Heath in their 30's). Time for the young players to step up.
How can anyone dislike Lavelle or Press or Heath?
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but they are so unlikeable
Why are they unlikeable?
because they publicly mislead and lie about their pay and they have an overt political agenda.
Great team no doubt, best womens team in the world
Someone on Twitter broke it down. One, the women's team turned down the Men's deal. They wanted more benefits since the men's team gets benefits from their original jobs. Two, the women made more tham the men. The women are focusing on one portion of the contract where if the men won the title they get more money. No shit. The men structures their contract as a pay for play contract. They lost so they didn't get paid. The women's contract was more even distributed so they didn't have to win the gold to make most of their money. They lost in court for a reason. And what they don't like to point out is that they negotiated their contract.
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The us federation over the fact that fifa pays the men’s teams in World Cup more than the woman’s World Cup is annoying to say the least. 1) the men’s World Cup makes 1000x more (or realistically 50x) and 2) the US federation has zero control over that. Instead you get a bunch of bozos with kids who play soccer hooting and hollering over discrimination which could not be farther from truth.
Someone on Twitter broke it down. One, the women's team turned down the Men's deal. They wanted more benefits since the men's team gets benefits from their original jobs. Two, the women made more tham the men. The women are focusing on one portion of the contract where if the men won the title they get more money. No shit. The men structures their contract as a pay for play contract. They lost so they didn't get paid. The women's contract was more even distributed so they didn't have to win the gold to make most of their money. They lost in court for a reason. And what they don't like to point out is that they negotiated their contract.
Exactly. Came on here to type exactly that, but you said it first.
lol i think they were 15
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lol i think they were 15
Isn't U-15 14 year olds (and some that turn 15 during the season)? I forget.
How can anyone dislike Lavelle or Press or Heath?
It's not about being quiet but they lost in court(appealed) and they are still misleading/lying. their union negotiated the contract. It's more annoying that its always a conversation abt pay as opposed to the game.
not sure if they could get sued but they should boycott/strike if they truly feel this is unfair
The reason they are so much more successful than the men's teams? Because for a long time, women in the U.S. have had far more opportunities in sport than women in much of the rest of the world. Yet, they play victim because they signed a contract which had less risk, but less reward, and more security.
If that s the case, I probably won’t be watching any Olympics. Not a protest, not a political statement, just don t want to go back there.
One of the best things about the NBA finals was seeing the passion, enthusiasm and excitement the fans again.
How can anyone dislike Lavelle or Press or Heath?
I know right? It is amazing how unpopular women get when they advocate strongly for themselves and their causes. Also the revenue arguement compared to the men is bogus too. As of 2019 women's jersey sales and game revenues out paced the men for the previous 3 years. the tv rights are sold as a package for all us soccer games men and women so it's near impossible to break that revenue down. I agree that the CBA is negotiated and they have a tough leg to stand on there but the game field conditions and accomadations are not equal to the men and they should be. Also the men traditionally have had a much stronger bargaining position. My daughter is a sports nut but hates soccer so this is not about that. I love watching their games and find them fun.
Totally agreed. The deal they proposed would have bankrupted US Soccer and you have these dummies that don’t even follow soccer using them as another false example of wage gap.
Whose paying for this litigious behavior? No way the lawyers were working contingent on a win, anyone with half a brain cell saw this ending in a loss 99 percent of the time.
These are just a bunch of women who are mad their sports don’t make as much money as male sports. The deal they had in place was tremendous and exactly why you have seen these older players hold onto their place.
They’ve certainly stifled the growth of the team because young players don’t get call ups. Look at the cap numbers vs the men’s team, it’s crazy! Not surprised that’s finally catching up. They were able to take advantage of the unique title 9 situation here, good for them, but the political nonsense behind their campaign is gross and reeks of greed.
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but when they were quiet and didn’t say anything everyone loved them. If you dont like Rapinoe, fine, but most of that team isn’t as outspoken.
How can anyone dislike Lavelle or Press or Heath?
It's not about being quiet but they lost in court(appealed) and they are still misleading/lying. their union negotiated the contract. It's more annoying that its always a conversation abt pay as opposed to the game.
not sure if they could get sued but they should boycott/strike if they truly feel this is unfair
You can just ignore it, its really really harmless. Its their business and if this is they route they take, so be it. Doesn't change what happens when they step on the field which is usually high quality soccer.
And just because the union negotiated the contract doesn't mean you have to like it.
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but when they were quiet and didn’t say anything everyone loved them. If you dont like Rapinoe, fine, but most of that team isn’t as outspoken.
How can anyone dislike Lavelle or Press or Heath?
It's not about being quiet but they lost in court(appealed) and they are still misleading/lying. their union negotiated the contract. It's more annoying that its always a conversation abt pay as opposed to the game.
not sure if they could get sued but they should boycott/strike if they truly feel this is unfair
You can just ignore it, its really really harmless. Its their business and if this is they route they take, so be it. Doesn't change what happens when they step on the field which is usually high quality soccer.
And just because the union negotiated the contract doesn't mean you have to like it.
when it's in your face as a fan its off putting, could just be me. Clearly w/e internal process they used did not work so they made it public. its to the point where this has been an issue for long time and the facts dont favor them.
What causes? Did you read all the responses here at what really went on?
Something being in my face would require it to be directed at me specifically. The USWNT took their shot on this and it didn't work out the way they wanted, really not that big of a deal.
As for greed, its everywhere in sports so I get that they wanted their piece of the pie.
What a weird and stupid comment that was!
The world is absolutely full of people who construct flimsy and incomplete arguments to get paid more.
Some otherwise delightful people are nuts when it comes to their sense of what they should get paid.
The world is full of people who resent what others get paid and spend a lot of mental energy on their resentment.
Imo, ever be on a team where toughness, defiance, group think was part of the secret sauce of their success? Ever notice its hard to say " we are all getting paid enough" to people half way through an average of a ten year peak pay period - and the most verbally adept and aggressive ones are the ones lobbying the hardest. You dont think the inner dynamics of that team couldnt out do Mean Girls by a factor of 100x?
So I tune it out, once its roughly fair pay, I dont care what they all get paid. Nothing I can do about it. So I just watch it. I like the team and most of the personalities on the field. Some of them are very very good. They play hard, they do a lot of things well a very high percent of the time.
Fact is the USWNT winning percentage is greater than the Yankees, Canadiens, Celtics or Lakers. The UCLA Wooden years or Bill Russell years is the closest I remember. Excellence is fun to watch
So I think the pride on all other issues is well earned.
On pay....if they were really fighting for the sport...the NWSL has to establish itself financially first. Its far from an essential sport or living on the front lines. Its a game. They get adulation and pay to play a game. Enjoy it.
imo
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team have anything to do with this?
What a weird and stupid comment that was!
Lol. It's "weird and stupid" to go bragging as the women's team how much more successful you are than the men's team, when you can't even beat 14/15 year old boy's teams. It's a different sport.
In Europe, South American, the Middle East, and other countries across the world, soccer is THE men's sport, if not one of the most popular. In those countries most of the best athletes play soccer from a young age. Here in the U.S., a lot of the best athletes play basketball, football, baseball, etc.
On the other hand, culturally, it is not as popular for women to play sports in many of those countries as it is in the United States. In some of those countries, women have virtually no rights.
So, in the women comparing their results to the men's results it has been apples to oranges. It's not that hard to understand. The men's team is competing with some of the best athletes in the world that have been in programs developing their talent for decades. The women's team have not been playing the same level of competition within the respective sports. That is a trend that is changing.
Answer this: at the outcome of this dispute, I’m impacted because ______.
Getting worked up about athletes tying to maximize their pay seems strange. There is a very small window for them to cash in on their talents and it isn't our money they are taking, so what skin do we have in it to comment?
And the team would be just as good no matter what they are paid because they are competitors. My wife's cousin was the US men's lacrosse goalie for a few years, won a World Championship, and played 12 years in the MLL. Won three titles. All the time, he was working a second job and basically his expenses were covered and he got a couple hundred dollars outside of that a game plus a bonus for winning. He said the most he ever made in a season was $30K. I bet most people don't even know his name - Adam Fullerton. Today, lacrosse is still not that well compensated outside of the very top guys, but that doesn't impact how competitive they are. And if lacrosse players end up getting more money, I'll applaud them instead of jeer.
If lacrose
The world is absolutely full of people who construct flimsy and incomplete arguments to get paid more.
Some otherwise delightful people are nuts when it comes to their sense of what they should get paid.
The world is full of people who resent what others get paid and spend a lot of mental energy on their resentment.
Imo, ever be on a team where toughness, defiance, group think was part of the secret sauce of their success? Ever notice its hard to say " we are all getting paid enough" to people half way through an average of a ten year peak pay period - and the most verbally adept and aggressive ones are the ones lobbying the hardest. You dont think the inner dynamics of that team couldnt out do Mean Girls by a factor of 100x?
So I tune it out, once its roughly fair pay, I dont care what they all get paid. Nothing I can do about it. So I just watch it. I like the team and most of the personalities on the field. Some of them are very very good. They play hard, they do a lot of things well a very high percent of the time.
Fact is the USWNT winning percentage is greater than the Yankees, Canadiens, Celtics or Lakers. The UCLA Wooden years or Bill Russell years is the closest I remember. Excellence is fun to watch
So I think the pride on all other issues is well earned.
On pay....if they were really fighting for the sport...the NWSL has to establish itself financially first. Its far from an essential sport or living on the front lines. Its a game. They get adulation and pay to play a game. Enjoy it.
imo
From Bill Gates on down, I honestly don't give a crap how much other people have or make. I know what I make and if it's not enough to meet my needs I bitch( although TBH, I mostly just readjust me needs). Otherwise, I'm good.
People own yachts and Cesnas; it's not something I waste time thinking about.
It would be like paying an employee 20 an hour that only produces 15 an hour and they come back to you and say thats not enough, I want 25 an hour. It's ridiculous and obvious to anyone with any iota of sense. I'm generally very pro-worker because they don't have any real leverage generally, but this reeks of greed. They were opportunistic and jumped on the women's rights bandwagon that ebbs and flows. This does a massive disservice to women that are disadvantaged. I'm not sure why it's controversial this doesn't sit well with some people.
In the instance of USMNT and USWNT, the parties signed very different contracts. So the fact that the market demand for the two sports is very different is immaterial. When the USWNT contract is up, they can renegotiate their contract. They may even wind up making more money than the men in that instance, depending on the success of the respective teams.
Ertz in midfield is their MVP. And one of the very best players in the world. When she is out or injured a differentiating strength of the team becomes a crippling weakness on defense and offense. She played in the second half and the improvement in movement and organization was clear.
Morgan and Lloyd are not good enough distributors or defenders. I have never liked Lloyds game. Morgan is a winger that is effective against some styles and teams and a weakness when the other team plays back and plays defense well. She doesnt appear to be as fast as she used to be and speed was a big factor in her success in the past.
I dont think there are younger players that are better but not on the team. As sports goes it seems a meritocracy viewed over a two and a half decade span
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I agree with you for the most part. I don't give a shit what someone makes. Nobody here gives a shit either. What they do care about is the false narrative that was perpetuated that is part of a larger false narrative. The women signed a contract, and as it worked out, they were paid less than the men were because of how the contract was constructed.
How can anyone dislike Lavelle or Press or Heath?
Love me some Alex Morgan
It would be like paying an employee 20 an hour that only produces 15 an hour and they come back to you and say thats not enough, I want 25 an hour. It's ridiculous and obvious to anyone with any iota of sense. I'm generally very pro-worker because they don't have any real leverage generally, but this reeks of greed. They were opportunistic and jumped on the women's rights bandwagon that ebbs and flows. This does a massive disservice to women that are disadvantaged. I'm not sure why it's controversial this doesn't sit well with some people.
I think its a reasonable take, I just wouldn't be appalled by it like some seem to be. Labor disputes get ugly, and usually its because of greed on one or both sides. And they are also responsible for bringing a lot of positive conversations to light which I think is often glossed over.
It's sort of amazing to me the way politics (or more like perceived 'not-my-tribe' identifications) can stick in people's craw so easily. First to admit, it happens to me, too.
In my case I've tried to be more aware of it, and have found it tempering, and look for commonalities, and they're there.
In the same breath can we really bitch about socialism or marxism or whatever scary word of the day today, and also at the same time people fighting for their share of the pie - however slanted the attempt.
We're all Americans, ya'll. Get the gold.
yes sir
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to bankrupt US Soccer type pay when you already are subsidized by Mens World Cup Money. They used the one year the men didn't make it(which essentially probably won't ever happen again) as their financial argument for unfair pay.
It would be like paying an employee 20 an hour that only produces 15 an hour and they come back to you and say thats not enough, I want 25 an hour. It's ridiculous and obvious to anyone with any iota of sense. I'm generally very pro-worker because they don't have any real leverage generally, but this reeks of greed. They were opportunistic and jumped on the women's rights bandwagon that ebbs and flows. This does a massive disservice to women that are disadvantaged. I'm not sure why it's controversial this doesn't sit well with some people.
I think its a reasonable take, I just wouldn't be appalled by it like some seem to be. Labor disputes get ugly, and usually its because of greed on one or both sides. And they are also responsible for bringing a lot of positive conversations to light which I think is often glossed over.
I'm a big USMNT fan and the way they wanted to structure it would bankrupt US Soccer, it was preposterous. Even if they were forced to come to a settlement, it would have really hurt the Men's side. A side that already subsidizes their wages. It isn't like they are destitute. Shit they have 75% paid maternity leave for a year in a career that completely matches with child-rearing age!
Then you have to listen to this preposterous narrative that the women aren't paid fairly that's completely disingenuous. People protesting outside events and that ridiculous HBO doc that has a 100 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. It's annoying and an acute example of a larger problem and it has become a larger talking point whether people want to hear it or not. I mean the President weighed in with his misinformed opinion as a way to curry political favor. It's just fucking annoying at this point.