His best quality is if there is a big play out there, and he sees it, he nails the throw.
There were a handful of games where he missed pivotal plays developing downfield and he did have protection. He needs to increase his batting average in those scenarios.
his rookie year. I personally remember gushing about his accuracy on one thread about one of his touchdown throws.
There is no worse strawman on BBI than this idea that people here don't relish watching our players excel. I made a weekly Saquon Barkley is touched by the hand of god thread for a few weeks in his rookie year despite already being critical of DG and questioning the pick from a positional value standpoint.
If anything those of us that are viewed as more pessimistic are probably itching for great play from this team more than anyone. We don't spend 8 months or so in a blissful state of thinking the team is just around the corner from turning it around.
If Daniel Jones is a pro bowl level QB sign me up to be president of his fan club.
It is honestly crazy the lengths people will go to to act like very real fans of this team somehow enjoy in any way the extent of the ineptitude of this team.
I don't see that anyone here enjoys ineptitude. I was not happy with the Shurmur hire, but as a fan of the team I hoped he would do well. It was hard (actually impossible) to not become apathetic as a fan.
And then they hired Judge, and based on what I've seen, my excitement is back. I thought Jones showed really well his first year minus the fumbling problem, so I was excited for him to be better and grow into a good QB for us. It sucked having the staff change on him in year two, a new OL and no preseason (and then losing Barkley), but I felt like the offense started to come around and Jones started to play well and feel more comfortable in the offense about halfway through the season. That hamstring injury was a huge setback, and I feel he came back to early, but he finished the season strong.
All that said, I am as excited AS HELL to see what this offense (and defense) can do this season. I feel good about the direction 1000%.
I can envision a multiplying effect if Shepard and Slayton can return to form, and Rudolph can continue his end zone magic.
It will be a LOT harder to scheme against that offense compared to the last two years. Hopefully early success will give DJ confidence so he doesn't have to "think" as much.
I'm more optimistic about this season than I've been in a while
I'm very concerned about the OL but I could absolutely see our offense doing well this season.
I happened to have "Get Up" on the other morning and the topic was Jones and the Giants. Mike Tannebaum, Jets GM, said, and I quote: "There are no more excuses for Daniel Jones. He now has weapons and an excellent offensive line..."
Needless to say, I thought I was having a stroke and asked my wife to ask me questions to make sure I was still in reality... ;)
that will benefit Jones is having the team win first down. Win meaning get into 2nd and 4-6 consistently. The last decade has been about 2nd and 9/10 yards.
He throws a nice long ball. Where he struggles is later downs with long distance. Very indecisive.
conveniently omitted all his turnovers and piss poor pocket presence.
It also omitted Shane Lemieux whiffing off the snap on 3 pass plays per game. Also the piss poor pass blocking of cam Fleming and not to mention DJs ankle injury which was severe
The offense was putrid last year. Any attempt to spin it otherwise is either a flat out lie, or a lack of football knowledge. You don't qualify for either, gidie. But I know you want to find something to believe in.
I think it's important to realize that even DJ's critics are rooting hard for him to succeed this year. We just don't see a path to pretend that he succeeded last year.
then there was some success -- but overall a losing season -- there was improvement on the team all season long -- including in Jones
This is going to be a good team and he's going to be a good QB for us
Exactly what measure of success can you conceive that could possibly describe last season as anything resembling a highlight?
Yes, DJ had some good plays last year. He does have talent - I absolutely acknowledge that. I know there are some steadfast critics here that might not be willing to give in on that, but I'm not one of them. I just happen to think that he's stuck somewhere in between confidence in being a playmaker and direction to play within himself to limit turnovers, and he's losing on both ends.
But when the DJ highlights include a pass to the middle of the field with time expiring in a half, and that drive results in ZERO points, I question the highlights themselves. Then it's not any better than the criticism that you're hoping to push back against. Isn't that fair? Isn't the whole argument about whether DJ is going to deliver wins? What good was that pass that resulted in no points because it went to the middle of the field with 12 seconds left in the half? Can we question his situational awareness in that moment? And if not, can we at least note that it wasn't exactly a highlight?
It was a crappy year for the offense, DJ included. I wish we'd stop trying to lipstick the pig on this and just look forward to next season.
10 minutes of highlights is more than a collection anyone could put together of Dwayne Haskins, Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold combined highlights for the past 2 seasons.
Note I selectively left out Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson:) but the point remains...I don’t see the need to shit on Jones highlight reel. We all know he needs to be better. But he’s already a lot better than several other guys people cried about not getting
Very reasonable to believe, if the playmakers improve separation, Garrett system evolves, OL gels....that Daniel is capable of stepping up and leading Giants
Most players have highlight films and they are just that. They're fun
conveniently omitted all his turnovers and piss poor pocket presence.
Did you expect a highlight reel to show the bad plays? 2020: New coach, new OC, new system, worldwide pandemic, no preseason games.... again, what did you expect from DJ?
All that video shows is that he had some nice plays last year. It doesn’t prove that he had a good year overall. The opinions of people on this board regarding his overall play have been stated ad nauseam. Enough with the DJ bashing already. If you want that, make another thread for it. This one is for people who want to comment on the plays shown in the video.
All that video shows is that he had some nice plays last year. It doesn’t prove that he had a good year overall. The opinions of people on this board regarding his overall play have been stated ad nauseam. Enough with the DJ bashing already. If you want that, make another thread for it. This one is for people who want to comment on the plays shown in the video.
I think that's fair. And I think even in that highlights package, there's some criticism to be had (as I noted above).
The notion that there's actually offensive highlights from last season is silly in and of itself, which is proven by the fact that there are some objectively mediocre plays that got lumped in as highlights.
That highlight package really gets me excited for what Slayton can do with some real talent surrounding him.
I recall the story being Slayton hurt his ankle or foot on that nice TD catch against the Skins, and his production dropped off after that. You can see it in the highlight, he seems to land weird on it in the end zone
Either way I agree...as our only WR threat last year, eh, but with Golladay on the other side he will hopefully get more and better looks
Notable in those highlights to me was how close the OL
is to Jones when he releases the ball. Mostly because of the pressure they allow and getting so easily pushed back into his face.
It is actually a bit unnerving on some throws while being impressive to DJ for keeping his cool. Actually don’t know how his arm or ball is not hit more often while throwing.
Did you expect a highlight reel to show the bad plays? 2020: New coach, new OC, new system, worldwide pandemic, no preseason games.... again, what did you expect from DJ?
Obviously I'm in the minority on this, but I expected the 6th pick in the draft to rise above some of the mentioned hurdles and be much better than he's been to date.
My expectations have been that Jones should be a difference maker, not just another piece in the offense with no more responsibilities than any of the other ten players who join him in the huddle.
Slayton was a very good #3, he is not a good #1. Golliday changes that dynamic in a big way. Toney is now the #2 option and Shep and Slayton are #3 & #4. That is a good corp of receivers. Rudolph added as the TE upgrades that option and Barkley if healthy upgrades that option.
Ive said this a ton of times, the only question mark for me is the OL. I have faith that Jones is an NFL quality starter meaning that is is in the top half of the league at the QB position. The talent around him has hampered his development in my opinion. If the OL holds up well and he is still not getting it done then we have our answer. If the OL is not getting it done and he is always running for his life no QB can be successful.
I have no doubt he will -- don't you find it interesting how it's mostly crickets when there's some really good tape of Jones on tap
If player quality was just judged on highlight reels, everyone would be a number one draft pick and be All-Pro every year. Chirp
NFL Films used to produce 30 or 60 minute shows recapping every team's season. Literally every single team makes highlight worthy plays, even teams that finish 0-16.
That's why the entire body of work is what we need to be focused on. It's great that Daniel Jones had some highlights in 2020 - his overall performance was quite poor.
I don't think it would go over very well if someone posted a video compilation of Jones' worst plays.
If he becomes a better game manager, he'll lead this team to the playoffs.
There were a handful of games where he missed pivotal plays developing downfield and he did have protection. He needs to increase his batting average in those scenarios.
There is no worse strawman on BBI than this idea that people here don't relish watching our players excel. I made a weekly Saquon Barkley is touched by the hand of god thread for a few weeks in his rookie year despite already being critical of DG and questioning the pick from a positional value standpoint.
If anything those of us that are viewed as more pessimistic are probably itching for great play from this team more than anyone. We don't spend 8 months or so in a blissful state of thinking the team is just around the corner from turning it around.
If Daniel Jones is a pro bowl level QB sign me up to be president of his fan club.
It is honestly crazy the lengths people will go to to act like very real fans of this team somehow enjoy in any way the extent of the ineptitude of this team.
And then they hired Judge, and based on what I've seen, my excitement is back. I thought Jones showed really well his first year minus the fumbling problem, so I was excited for him to be better and grow into a good QB for us. It sucked having the staff change on him in year two, a new OL and no preseason (and then losing Barkley), but I felt like the offense started to come around and Jones started to play well and feel more comfortable in the offense about halfway through the season. That hamstring injury was a huge setback, and I feel he came back to early, but he finished the season strong.
All that said, I am as excited AS HELL to see what this offense (and defense) can do this season. I feel good about the direction 1000%.
It will be a LOT harder to scheme against that offense compared to the last two years. Hopefully early success will give DJ confidence so he doesn't have to "think" as much.
I'm very concerned about the OL but I could absolutely see our offense doing well this season.
But DJ needs to bring it this fall.
But DJ needs to bring it this fall.
Agreed.
I'm very concerned about the OL but I could absolutely see our offense doing well this season.
I happened to have "Get Up" on the other morning and the topic was Jones and the Giants. Mike Tannebaum, Jets GM, said, and I quote: "There are no more excuses for Daniel Jones. He now has weapons and an excellent offensive line..."
Needless to say, I thought I was having a stroke and asked my wife to ask me questions to make sure I was still in reality... ;)
Garrett is on the hot seat too - this is a stacked group of skill players with every type of player you could ask for.
He throws a nice long ball. Where he struggles is later downs with long distance. Very indecisive.
It also omitted Shane Lemieux whiffing off the snap on 3 pass plays per game. Also the piss poor pass blocking of cam Fleming and not to mention DJs ankle injury which was severe
But DJ needs to bring it this fall.
Yeah. He needs to do better than 2020. Not really an unrealistic expectation.
It was a crappy year for the offense, DJ included. I wish we'd stop trying to lipstick the pig on this and just look forward to next season.
It was a crappy year for the offense, DJ included. I wish we'd stop trying to lipstick the pig on this and just look forward to next season.
you call it lipstick on a pig -- I call it reason to believe Jones can be a Franchise QB -- he had his moments, and he can make the big play.
If that's being counted as one of DJ's "highlights" from last season, we really need to be mindful of what a highlight actually is.
The offense was putrid last year. Any attempt to spin it otherwise is either a flat out lie, or a lack of football knowledge. You don't qualify for either, gidie. But I know you want to find something to believe in.
I think it's important to realize that even DJ's critics are rooting hard for him to succeed this year. We just don't see a path to pretend that he succeeded last year.
This is going to be a good team and he's going to be a good QB for us
This is going to be a good team and he's going to be a good QB for us
Exactly what measure of success can you conceive that could possibly describe last season as anything resembling a highlight?
Yes, DJ had some good plays last year. He does have talent - I absolutely acknowledge that. I know there are some steadfast critics here that might not be willing to give in on that, but I'm not one of them. I just happen to think that he's stuck somewhere in between confidence in being a playmaker and direction to play within himself to limit turnovers, and he's losing on both ends.
But when the DJ highlights include a pass to the middle of the field with time expiring in a half, and that drive results in ZERO points, I question the highlights themselves. Then it's not any better than the criticism that you're hoping to push back against. Isn't that fair? Isn't the whole argument about whether DJ is going to deliver wins? What good was that pass that resulted in no points because it went to the middle of the field with 12 seconds left in the half? Can we question his situational awareness in that moment? And if not, can we at least note that it wasn't exactly a highlight?
By almost every metric thus far, Jones is unfortunately a JaG playing QB.
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the best of what he did -- and to my eyes those are some very good plays -- and not JaG
By almost every metric thus far, Jones is unfortunately a JaG playing QB.
Rookie year
Pandemic year
Relax
You're Jag trying to post.
So Fucking annoying with the same Bullshit every single day.
It was a crappy year for the offense, DJ included. I wish we'd stop trying to lipstick the pig on this and just look forward to next season.
10 minutes of highlights is more than a collection anyone could put together of Dwayne Haskins, Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold combined highlights for the past 2 seasons.
Note I selectively left out Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson:) but the point remains...I don’t see the need to shit on Jones highlight reel. We all know he needs to be better. But he’s already a lot better than several other guys people cried about not getting
Playmakers getting open
OL blocking
And the pivotal QB play......
none were outstanding....
Very reasonable to believe, if the playmakers improve separation, Garrett system evolves, OL gels....that Daniel is capable of stepping up and leading Giants
Did you expect a highlight reel to show the bad plays? 2020: New coach, new OC, new system, worldwide pandemic, no preseason games.... again, what did you expect from DJ?
Color me shocked, especially on who the posters are being critical!
We will know who he is after this season; he should be given benefit of doubt to prove it.
I think that's fair. And I think even in that highlights package, there's some criticism to be had (as I noted above).
The notion that there's actually offensive highlights from last season is silly in and of itself, which is proven by the fact that there are some objectively mediocre plays that got lumped in as highlights.
I recall the story being Slayton hurt his ankle or foot on that nice TD catch against the Skins, and his production dropped off after that. You can see it in the highlight, he seems to land weird on it in the end zone
Either way I agree...as our only WR threat last year, eh, but with Golladay on the other side he will hopefully get more and better looks
It is actually a bit unnerving on some throws while being impressive to DJ for keeping his cool. Actually don’t know how his arm or ball is not hit more often while throwing.
That makes you a prick.
If player quality was just judged on highlight reels, everyone would be a number one draft pick and be All-Pro every year. Chirp
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I have no doubt he will -- don't you find it interesting how it's mostly crickets when there's some really good tape of Jones on tap
If player quality was just judged on highlight reels, everyone would be a number one draft pick and be All-Pro every year. Chirp
That said, the guy can make plays. I hope he can eliminate some mistakes, continue to grow, and take this team to the playoffs this year.
Did you expect a highlight reel to show the bad plays? 2020: New coach, new OC, new system, worldwide pandemic, no preseason games.... again, what did you expect from DJ?
Obviously I'm in the minority on this, but I expected the 6th pick in the draft to rise above some of the mentioned hurdles and be much better than he's been to date.
My expectations have been that Jones should be a difference maker, not just another piece in the offense with no more responsibilities than any of the other ten players who join him in the huddle.
Ive said this a ton of times, the only question mark for me is the OL. I have faith that Jones is an NFL quality starter meaning that is is in the top half of the league at the QB position. The talent around him has hampered his development in my opinion. If the OL holds up well and he is still not getting it done then we have our answer. If the OL is not getting it done and he is always running for his life no QB can be successful.
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I have no doubt he will -- don't you find it interesting how it's mostly crickets when there's some really good tape of Jones on tap
If player quality was just judged on highlight reels, everyone would be a number one draft pick and be All-Pro every year. Chirp
That said, the guy can make plays. I hope he can eliminate some mistakes, continue to grow, and take this team to the playoffs this year.
I'll settle for a highlight reel that doesn't include throwing to the middle of the field with 10 seconds left in the half.
He went to Duke. He should be smart.
That makes you a prick.
I'm sorry, what?
Are there some sort of NYG bonafides that we can toss back and forth?
It's a fucking highlight reel of one of the worst offensive seasons in NYG history, and it includes a handful of plays that aren't even highlights.
You think this thread is an identifier, and I agree. But not in the way that you think it is.
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I have no doubt he will -- don't you find it interesting how it's mostly crickets when there's some really good tape of Jones on tap
If player quality was just judged on highlight reels, everyone would be a number one draft pick and be All-Pro every year. Chirp
NFL Films used to produce 30 or 60 minute shows recapping every team's season. Literally every single team makes highlight worthy plays, even teams that finish 0-16.
That's why the entire body of work is what we need to be focused on. It's great that Daniel Jones had some highlights in 2020 - his overall performance was quite poor.
I don't think it would go over very well if someone posted a video compilation of Jones' worst plays.
Please PLEASE kick ass this NYG.
Thx in advance.