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Restrictions placed on media for NYG training camp

Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2021 8:48 am
With fans not being allowed to attend almost all of the summer activities, these are also the restrictions placed on the media.

This helps to explain why we were seeing so little posted during the OTAs:

*Videotaping and photographing will be limited to the stretching and individual portion of practice.

*Do not report on offensive, defensive or special teams strategy.

*This includes describing formations, personnel groups, deployment of personnel, starting lineups, players working in first-team, second-team or third-team, or non-conventional plays.

*Do not quote, paraphrase or report the comments made by coaches or players during a practice session.

*No reporting during the open portion of practice. This includes social media updates (i.e. tweeting), blogging, radio updates or phone interviews.






The Patriots Way  
Ben in Tampa : 7/23/2021 8:49 am : link
has landed in East Rutherford
RE: The Patriots Way  
Big Blue '56 : 7/23/2021 8:51 am : link
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has landed in East Rutherford


Fine with me
 
christian : 7/23/2021 8:52 am : link
This is great. Camp isn’t for the fans, it’s for preparation.
Draconian  
section125 : 7/23/2021 8:53 am : link
rules...Great for the fan base.
Not shocked  
Biteymax22 : 7/23/2021 9:00 am : link
And completely fine with it
RE: Draconian  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/23/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15311003 section125 said:
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rules...Great for the fan base.

I'd rather win games than have a live feed via Twitter during training camp.
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Big Blue '56 : 7/23/2021 9:02 am : link
In comment 15311000 christian said:
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This is great. Camp isn’t for the fans, it’s for preparation.


👍🏿👍
RE: RE: Draconian  
Big Blue '56 : 7/23/2021 9:02 am : link
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rules...Great for the fan base.


I'd rather win games than have a live feed via Twitter during training camp.


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I can't wait for the use of telescopes for highlights where you can't  
robbieballs2003 : 7/23/2021 9:07 am : link
See shit. I understand but man is it frustrating as a fan.
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section125 : 7/23/2021 9:09 am : link
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rules...Great for the fan base.


I'd rather win games than have a live feed via Twitter during training camp.


That works for 1 game, maybe. I understand the concept, but still think it is kind of silly.
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Giantology : 7/23/2021 9:11 am : link
In comment 15311028 section125 said:
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rules...Great for the fan base.


I'd rather win games than have a live feed via Twitter during training camp.



That works for 1 game, maybe. I understand the concept, but still think it is kind of silly.


Every game counts in an NFL season - so that 1 game could be the difference.
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Gatorade Dunk : 7/23/2021 9:12 am : link
In comment 15311028 section125 said:
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rules...Great for the fan base.


I'd rather win games than have a live feed via Twitter during training camp.



That works for 1 game, maybe. I understand the concept, but still think it is kind of silly.

If they're working on a number of creative concepts, there's no guarantee that they roll them all out in one game. And there's no guarantee that they roll them out in the first game.

Training camp as a spectacle has always been a questionable concept. Let the team get ready for the season with as few distractions as possible.
Sounds like we're working on  
CT Charlie : 7/23/2021 9:18 am : link
Toney in the wildcat.
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section125 : 7/23/2021 9:30 am : link
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rules...Great for the fan base.


I'd rather win games than have a live feed via Twitter during training camp.



That works for 1 game, maybe. I understand the concept, but still think it is kind of silly.


If they're working on a number of creative concepts, there's no guarantee that they roll them all out in one game. And there's no guarantee that they roll them out in the first game.

Training camp as a spectacle has always been a questionable concept. Let the team get ready for the season with as few distractions as possible.


Ok, I agree there. As a fan, I just like the "news." Long 5 or 6 weeks leading up to the season.
I would've thought the league had rules about what limits can  
Mad Mike : 7/23/2021 9:35 am : link
be put on the media. If teams are allowed to restrict what's reported, why wouldn't every team do it?
The teams will probably be posting  
WillieYoung : 7/23/2021 9:38 am : link
their own practice reports and highlights daily on line and selling adds etc. New revenue source (by excluding non-team media) in the name of Covid prevention.
I’m pretty certain  
Jolly Blue Giant : 7/23/2021 9:55 am : link
These rules were in place last year. Jordan Raanan talked about it on his podcast often.
It's funny  
ghost718 : 7/23/2021 9:57 am : link
we were just talking about Mussolini
I get why JJ does it...  
Dnew15 : 7/23/2021 10:03 am : link
I hate it as a fan.

Summer is hard enough for Giants news.
......  
Klaatu : 7/23/2021 10:09 am : link


We'll be over MetLife in two minutes, Mr. Raanan.
RE: I get why JJ does it...  
section125 : 7/23/2021 10:09 am : link
In comment 15311093 Dnew15 said:
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I hate it as a fan.

Summer is hard enough for Giants news.


Be careful using JJ - I immediately thought of Jerry Jones!
Another sign..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/23/2021 10:15 am : link
that Judge will be very unlikely to consider Hard Knocks as long as he's the HC.
And this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/23/2021 10:16 am : link
is also likely to make hacks like Leonard take offense and try to skirt the rules that are laid out
As a fan  
Rudy5757 : 7/23/2021 10:24 am : link
One of the best times of the year is hearing about how the roster is coming together. i enjoy reading about a rookie or a surprise player that is having a good camp. It sounds like that is not going to be allowed to repot on this year which is a shame.

I think the NFL is going in the wrong direction on this. If you want to get the fans excited you have to have interesting tidbits before the real games start. how else are we going to get through the summer wondering if this is Jonas Seawrights All Pro season?

As Eric pointed out yesterday, the fan interest is at an all time low and this will probably drive it lower imo. Football was the one sport that had somewhat of a year round interest. Moves like this gives fans a reason to take on other interests.
...  
christian : 7/23/2021 10:28 am : link
There's zero downside, and the upside is you give zero advantage to your competition.

It also lets Gay Talese Leornard focus on Daniel Jones's macaroni. Win/win.
RE: RE: I get why JJ does it...  
Dnew15 : 7/23/2021 10:32 am : link
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I hate it as a fan.

Summer is hard enough for Giants news.



Be careful using JJ - I immediately thought of Jerry Jones!


My fault :)

It's like when people used to call LaDainian Tomlinson "LT".
There's only one LT and JJ.
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section125 : 7/23/2021 10:35 am : link
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I hate it as a fan.

Summer is hard enough for Giants news.



Be careful using JJ - I immediately thought of Jerry Jones!



My fault :)

It's like when people used to call LaDainian Tomlinson "LT".
There's only one LT and JJ.


yep...LDT, not LT.
I'm ok with it  
dabru : 7/23/2021 10:43 am : link
and hopefully it makes it harder for other teams to prepare against the giants.

In other news..Jerry Jones hires Giants' beat reporters as "consultants".
So is there any point at all?  
UberAlias : 7/23/2021 11:31 am : link
I guess we can look forward to a million articles on "there is no excuses for Daniel Jones this season" and a bunch of off the field fluff pieces. I say we send all our beat writers to division rivals camp and have them cover the opposition for us. At least we'd get meaningful info that way.
RE: The teams will probably be posting  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/23/2021 11:44 am : link
In comment 15311061 WillieYoung said:
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their own practice reports and highlights daily on line and selling adds etc. New revenue source (by excluding non-team media) in the name of Covid prevention.

I'll bet you a case of wine that this has nothing to do with revenue.

I can only go by my own observations on this  
gidiefor : Mod : 7/23/2021 11:50 am : link
but my interest as a fan is at an all time high -- and it obvious that the broadcasters think so too with the new broadcast deal

A sure sign of the interest is the Gen X and Gen Z interest in fantasy football -- what is happening is that fans are developing player loyalty over team loyalty -- often there is both team and player loyalty on different teams now - those seem to me to be the salient shifts that are taking place and I don't see it letting down

there is still big- big money being passed on football -- and it has to be coming from somewhere

I think managing a team fan site may be seeing a shift downward in interest because of the rising interest in fantasy - and the players as individuals and stat wise

I guarantee you that when the Giants start producing team stats of interest to fantasy players there will be a greater interest in them, and this site, as stat munchers seek more info.

RE: I can only go by my own observations on this  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/23/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15311246 gidiefor said:
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but my interest as a fan is at an all time high -- and it obvious that the broadcasters think so too with the new broadcast deal

A sure sign of the interest is the Gen X and Gen Z interest in fantasy football -- what is happening is that fans are developing player loyalty over team loyalty -- often there is both team and player loyalty on different teams now - those seem to me to be the salient shifts that are taking place and I don't see it letting down

there is still big- big money being passed on football -- and it has to be coming from somewhere

I think managing a team fan site may be seeing a shift downward in interest because of the rising interest in fantasy - and the players as individuals and stat wise

I guarantee you that when the Giants start producing team stats of interest to fantasy players there will be a greater interest in them, and this site, as stat munchers seek more info.

Gidie, with all due respect, if you now make a claim against the "fantasy football" mindset after that post, you're not even trying to take yourself seriously.

There are a lot of questions about the Giants going into this season. Many of which have been presumably addressed (fingers crosse), and a few have not.

But I'm not sure the team has any obligation to answer our remaining questions this summer. I'd prefer they answer questions against opponents.

All of you who are chirping about not having access to training camp, get over it. Training camp was never for you.

If this has a negative effect on Eric, I'd have been happy to donate more in future campaigns. But in absence of that, I can accept a bit of suspense and surprise when the season begins.

Training camp is not for fans. I'm not sure why that's confusing.
RE: RE: I can only go by my own observations on this  
Big Blue '56 : 7/23/2021 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15311263 Gatorade Dunk said:
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but my interest as a fan is at an all time high -- and it obvious that the broadcasters think so too with the new broadcast deal

A sure sign of the interest is the Gen X and Gen Z interest in fantasy football -- what is happening is that fans are developing player loyalty over team loyalty -- often there is both team and player loyalty on different teams now - those seem to me to be the salient shifts that are taking place and I don't see it letting down

there is still big- big money being passed on football -- and it has to be coming from somewhere

I think managing a team fan site may be seeing a shift downward in interest because of the rising interest in fantasy - and the players as individuals and stat wise

I guarantee you that when the Giants start producing team stats of interest to fantasy players there will be a greater interest in them, and this site, as stat munchers seek more info.



Gidie, with all due respect, if you now make a claim against the "fantasy football" mindset after that post, you're not even trying to take yourself seriously.

There are a lot of questions about the Giants going into this season. Many of which have been presumably addressed (fingers crosse), and a few have not.

But I'm not sure the team has any obligation to answer our remaining questions this summer. I'd prefer they answer questions against opponents.

All of you who are chirping about not having access to training camp, get over it. Training camp was never for you.

If this has a negative effect on Eric, I'd have been happy to donate more in future campaigns. But in absence of that, I can accept a bit of suspense and surprise when the season begins.

Training camp is not for fans. I'm not sure why that's confusing.


I’ve most always felt that way. I only pay attention to the injury list (other than normal tweaks and soreness. Otherwise, I look forward to watching the players trying to make the final 53 during preseason games.

In fact, I couldn’t have cared less about watching the players run around in shells, etc. when in Albany. I only went there to hobnob with BBIers, nothing more.
Fine by me,  
ZogZerg : 7/23/2021 12:24 pm : link
But it may be easier to understand if they listed what the media CAN report.
I think I can  
Big Al : 7/23/2021 12:54 pm : link
Survive with these rules in place.
When was the last time the beat writers  
David B. : 7/24/2021 11:22 am : link
broke any earth shattering STRATEGIC news in camp or preseason? The Giants don't show you anything you can draw real conclusions from anyway.

From the fan/media perspective camp is about:

Who got hurt and how bad
Who looks good
Who doesn't

Of those three things, only the first one means anything tangible.

Every year there are training camp and pre-season "stars" who vanish in real games. So who looks good doesn't mean much.

Similarly, great players don't always look great until it's real games. No one knew rookie OBJ was going to become OBJ until he played in real games because he was always dinged up in camp.

So I don't really see how these media restrictions change much.
What media restrictions?  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2021 11:48 am : link
Read a wonderful in-depth article with Daniel Jones earlier this week.

Pat Leonard was able to uncover DJ likes his steak medium instead of medium-rare and is a bit indifferent on mac n cheese as a side with steak...
RE: When was the last time the beat writers  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/24/2021 11:52 am : link
In comment 15312200 David B. said:
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broke any earth shattering STRATEGIC news in camp or preseason? The Giants don't show you anything you can draw real conclusions from anyway.

From the fan/media perspective camp is about:

Who got hurt and how bad
Who looks good
Who doesn't

Of those three things, only the first one means anything tangible.

Every year there are training camp and pre-season "stars" who vanish in real games. So who looks good doesn't mean much.

Similarly, great players don't always look great until it's real games. No one knew rookie OBJ was going to become OBJ until he played in real games because he was always dinged up in camp.

So I don't really see how these media restrictions change much.


Until this offseason, reporters would tweet from the sidelines during practice all kinds of things, sometimes even mentioning trick plays or unusual formations. I know this because I would avidly pay attention to these tweets for front page updates. That stopped during OTAs this offseason. I thought the reporters were slacking off but they obviously were told to stop doing this.

This is a major change from the perspective of fan interest. We won't be getting much info out of camp this year other than "so and so dropped the ball".
I don't hate the 95% of the sports media  
arniefez : 7/24/2021 11:59 am : link
like most of you. But I love this. I would rather the Giants keep everything they're doing secret from the teams they play against than read about practices.
Love it  
UConn4523 : 7/24/2021 12:15 pm : link
Hard Knocks never made sense for us, this cements it.
Last year's media highlights from training camp...  
Jimmy Googs : 7/24/2021 12:21 pm : link
- Daniel Jones put on 25 lbs of muscle and looks huge
- Evan Engram cannot be covered
- Nobody can block Lorenzo Carter

How'd all that work out?

:-)
agreed Eric from BBI  
mittenedman : 7/24/2021 2:15 pm : link
This is a major downer although understandable. There is stuff going on already and in years past, we'd hear about it. There are 4 trophies in the case too. It's not like everything we did was terrible. Hopefully it doesn't become needlessly inaccessible.
RE: agreed Eric from BBI  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/26/2021 8:34 am : link
In comment 15312273 mittenedman said:
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This is a major downer although understandable. There is stuff going on already and in years past, we'd hear about it. There are 4 trophies in the case too. It's not like everything we did was terrible. Hopefully it doesn't become needlessly inaccessible.

We won two of those trophies before the internet existed for public use, a third before social media became as pervasive as it is, and the fourth on the back of one of the greatest seasons any Giants QB has ever had.

Given that we can't go back to the social media landscape of the first three trophies and that it might be asking a bit much to expect DJ to match Eli's 2011 campaign, maybe it makes sense to adjust to the world we actually do live in.
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