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NFT: NY Rangers to buyout D Tony DeAngelo

Anakim : 7/23/2021 9:05 am
No surprise there


Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
Hearing #NYR plan to officially begin buyout process for D Tony DeAngelo today.

Two year cap charge for #NYR at $383k and $883k. He will become UFA once buyout is executed after passing through waivers.
Somethings that bugged me about Gorton  
JonC : 7/23/2021 9:09 am : link
re-signing TDA when he had to know he's a pyscho, re-signing Strome because he failed to upgrade the spot, the apparent lack of ability to construct a pro hockey team with grit or any ability to beat a team in more than one way.
RE: Somethings that bugged me about Gorton  
Anakim : 7/23/2021 9:11 am : link
In comment 15311030 JonC said:
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re-signing TDA when he had to know he's a pyscho, re-signing Strome because he failed to upgrade the spot, the apparent lack of ability to construct a pro hockey team with grit or any ability to beat a team in more than one way.


And Kreider. Gorton chose to extend players rather than trade them for what he deemed to be unacceptable offers.
Yep  
JonC : 7/23/2021 9:46 am : link
like he had no ability to see down the road.
spot on guys.  
Victor in CT : 7/23/2021 10:05 am : link
lots of dead money hits here.
If they don’t trade the pick tonite  
five5 : 7/23/2021 10:13 am : link
Very good chance it’s going to be a goalie
RE: If they don’t trade the pick tonite  
Anakim : 7/23/2021 10:15 am : link
In comment 15311103 five5 said:
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Very good chance it’s going to be a goalie


What makes you say that?
RE: If they don’t trade the pick tonite  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/23/2021 10:20 am : link
In comment 15311103 five5 said:
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Very good chance it’s going to be a goalie


That's a pretty strange observation. I think the pick might least likely be a goalie out of all the positions.
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BrettNYG10 : 7/23/2021 10:24 am : link
I've read some others speculating it might be a goalie as well. I didn't read up on why (I'm assuming the pick's dealt).

I wonder what impact Gallant is having behind the scenes. Is he pushing for short-term moves? JonC touched on the issue driving me nuts - a franchise that took a somewhat ballsy step with the letter has made a number of short-term oriented moves. Rhetorical question, but what are the conversations being had behind closed doors about timelines to compete? The Rangers have been somewhat fortunate in having those windows being obvious to them the past decade (you go for it with Lundqvist in net, for example). Now there's some murkiness as to when we need to compete.

The Lightning's window, for example, has been open for ~6 years (and should remain open for another couple). Some of the Rangers moves make me think they're trying to open it earlier at the expense of a longer window.
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BrettNYG10 : 7/23/2021 10:29 am : link
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The Rangers, after four years of rebuilding and re-stocking, are loaded with young players and prospects. And now, as everyone knows, the owner thinks they need to turn the corner soon (like, yesterday). There is not a single reason not to trade that first-round pick in a bigger deal that brings the Rangers a difference-maker.

Right?

Well, maybe not. We’re actually hearing that the Rangers might actually — hold on now — be in the market for a goalie. Perhaps it is insurance against Igor Shesterkin’s progress flattening; he was inconsistent in his first full NHL season after an eye-popping half-season the year before. Or perhaps it’s insurance against Shesterkin being difficult to re-sign as a restricted free agent. Or perhaps it’s simply because the goalies behind Shesterkin, including Alexandar Georgiev, have hardly wowed anybody since Henrik Lundqvist departed.

One option would be to add a goalie through the draft — instead of using that first-rounder in a trade. Sebastian Cossa is seen as a first-rounder, and his name has been linked to the Rangers. He likely won’t be available when the Rangers pick, but the possibility could make Drury reluctant.

The Athletic - ( New Window )
At Goalie  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/23/2021 10:35 am : link
Cossa, and Jesper Wallstedt are the two first round goalies.

At Center, at 16, I can see some combination of Chaz Lucius, Cole Sillinger, or Fyodor Svechkov.

There's also been connections made to winger Brennan Othmann.
The issue..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/23/2021 10:39 am : link
with picking a G in the draft high is that you will almost assuredly have to wait for him to get playing time and it means you will be committed to making a switch there when you do play him.

A Center would be a perfect compliment to the young squad, as would a defender.
Agreed,  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/23/2021 10:47 am : link
and from a roster building sense, it's almost nice to hear them thinking about the long game and taking a goalie.

He obviously wouldn't effect our current team, but one POV I read regarding the Rangers taking a goalie is Igor will be 26 this December and is an RFA waiting on a deal. If we wanted to skip the bridge deal, and buy out his RFA as well as an early UFA year or two, we can attempt to try a 5 year deal or so with him which would take him to 29-31 depending on the years. This would allow the goalie pick to develop in the system under Allaire, and as Shesty approaches 30, we have a built in replacement and are not allocating big cap dollars to a G.

Forgot to say  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/23/2021 10:51 am : link
that my ideal scenario is picking a C (I've loved what I read about Svechkov if he's there), due to the absolute dearth of Centers in our system.

But the 2 goalies prospect rankings (Wallstedt and Cossa), don't read as much of a reach as where we're picking.

Wallstedt:
11- Pronman
6- Elite Prospects
12- Bob McKenzie
5- McKeen's
7- Craig Button
15- Sportsnet

Cossa:
10- Pronman
22- Elite Prospects
15- McKenzie
19- McKeen's
15- Craig Button
17- Sportsnet
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Anakim : 7/23/2021 10:52 am : link
Larry Brooks
@NYP_Brooksie
And have been told that while Blueshirts' 15th-overall is most certainly in play, offers have been few and hardly enticing. But it's early.
Igor's other issue  
ColHowPepper : 7/23/2021 11:08 am : link
is does he have the body, the innate durability in his thin frame to withstand the rigors of a full 70-whatever game season? I can't think of a GK in the NHL today anywhere near as slight or small. He's already had some stretches where he's not dressed due to maintenance or healing.
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BrettNYG10 : 7/23/2021 11:25 am : link
Larry Brooks
@NYP_Brooksie
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1h
As of early morning, at least, Buffalo's "demands" on return for Eichel remain fantastical.
Excuse my ignorance,  
rnargi : 7/23/2021 11:35 am : link
but what happens if DeAngelo doesn't clear waivers? And what happens if he does? I don't know how it works in hockey with these buyouts. It would seem to me if you were buying him out, you wouldn't have to put him thru waivers. Thanks in advance.
RE: Excuse my ignorance,  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/23/2021 11:40 am : link
In comment 15311217 rnargi said:
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but what happens if DeAngelo doesn't clear waivers? And what happens if he does? I don't know how it works in hockey with these buyouts. It would seem to me if you were buying him out, you wouldn't have to put him thru waivers. Thanks in advance.


If ADA doesn't clear waivers and someone claims him (I don't think this has happened before with a player waived for buyout purposes), then the Rangers are completely clear of any cap ramifications for ADA, and the claiming team assumes his contract.

If he clears, the Rangers will be on the hook for the buyout penalty ($823K for this year and next), and ADA is free to sign with any team.
More thoughts:  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/23/2021 11:43 am : link
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WGR 550
@WGR550
Dreger - There's enough buzz around Ristolainen that it seems likely he's the first one out of Buffalo. As for Eichel, there was a source in New York that believed there's still a slim chance he could be heading to the #NYR. Nothing new regarding the #MNWild. #LetsGoBuffalo


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WGR 550
@WGR550
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Jul 23, 2021
Replying to @WGR550
Dreger - I still think Rasmus Ristolainen is likely the first of the big-three to go. I know Winnipeg and Montreal would love to add Ristolainen. The Oilers have also kicked the tires on him too. #LetsGoBuffalo


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WGR 550
@WGR550
Dreger - The #FlyTogether I think are still in the mix for Eichel. I believe there's a team out there that's going to surprise all of us with a potential Jack Eichel trade. It's still a big "if". The team is in the East.


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WGR 550
@WGR550
Jul 23, 2021
Replying to @WGR550
Dreger - I don't think Buffalo needs the distraction of Jack Eichel coming back next season to training camp. #LetsGoBuffalo
WGR 550
@WGR550
Dreger - I still believe it's more likely that Jack Eichel gets dealt some time this week. #LetsGoBuffalo
RE: RE: Excuse my ignorance,  
rnargi : 7/23/2021 11:57 am : link
In comment 15311227 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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In comment 15311217 rnargi said:


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but what happens if DeAngelo doesn't clear waivers? And what happens if he does? I don't know how it works in hockey with these buyouts. It would seem to me if you were buying him out, you wouldn't have to put him thru waivers. Thanks in advance.



If ADA doesn't clear waivers and someone claims him (I don't think this has happened before with a player waived for buyout purposes), then the Rangers are completely clear of any cap ramifications for ADA, and the claiming team assumes his contract.

If he clears, the Rangers will be on the hook for the buyout penalty ($823K for this year and next), and ADA is free to sign with any team.


Got it. Makes sense. Thanks for clearing it up for me
Here's an exact quote  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/23/2021 12:03 pm : link
from the Dreger interview with WGR Buffalo in regards to the Rangers:

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“This is a tough market to nail down. A good New York Rangers source, yesterday, thought that there is a slim chance that it was going to work with the Rangers. That is not to say it’s not going to be the New York Rangers, but again, that is where the process was yesterday and all that can change pretty swiftly with a phone call.”

Dreger continued, “but if you are looking at a four piece package from the Rangers, I had a package thrown at me that included Lundkvist or Schneider, Kravtsov, Chytil and a first round pick. I mean there is four elements and I threw that by the Rangers and they basically laughed, as if that is too much. Is it? It might be, from New York’s standpoint, but is it too much from Buffalo’s standpoint to ask for that.”
Marty Biron said that he thought that that package would be a “bad return” for Eichel, from a Sabres point of view.
Dreger added, “you don’t think that Rangers package is even close to what Buffalo would need, well the Rangers are likely looking at is too much and ‘we’re not paying that.”


RE: RE: Somethings that bugged me about Gorton  
BestFeature : 7/23/2021 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15311033 Anakim said:
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In comment 15311030 JonC said:


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re-signing TDA when he had to know he's a pyscho, re-signing Strome because he failed to upgrade the spot, the apparent lack of ability to construct a pro hockey team with grit or any ability to beat a team in more than one way.



And Kreider. Gorton chose to extend players rather than trade them for what he deemed to be unacceptable offers.


He traded half the team for the rebuild.
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ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/23/2021 12:28 pm : link
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Larry Brooks
@NYP_Brooksie
The last time Rangers traded their first-rounder on draft day (except for flipping picks) was....never.
RE: Here's an exact quote  
PwndPapi : 7/23/2021 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15311258 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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from the Dreger interview with WGR Buffalo in regards to the Rangers:



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“This is a tough market to nail down. A good New York Rangers source, yesterday, thought that there is a slim chance that it was going to work with the Rangers. That is not to say it’s not going to be the New York Rangers, but again, that is where the process was yesterday and all that can change pretty swiftly with a phone call.”

Dreger continued, “but if you are looking at a four piece package from the Rangers, I had a package thrown at me that included Lundkvist or Schneider, Kravtsov, Chytil and a first round pick. I mean there is four elements and I threw that by the Rangers and they basically laughed, as if that is too much. Is it? It might be, from New York’s standpoint, but is it too much from Buffalo’s standpoint to ask for that.”
Marty Biron said that he thought that that package would be a “bad return” for Eichel, from a Sabres point of view.
Dreger added, “you don’t think that Rangers package is even close to what Buffalo would need, well the Rangers are likely looking at is too much and ‘we’re not paying that.”




Buffalo can go pound snow.
RE: RE: RE: Somethings that bugged me about Gorton  
Anakim : 7/23/2021 12:38 pm : link
In comment 15311261 BestFeature said:
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In comment 15311033 Anakim said:


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In comment 15311030 JonC said:


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re-signing TDA when he had to know he's a pyscho, re-signing Strome because he failed to upgrade the spot, the apparent lack of ability to construct a pro hockey team with grit or any ability to beat a team in more than one way.



And Kreider. Gorton chose to extend players rather than trade them for what he deemed to be unacceptable offers.



He traded half the team for the rebuild.


And then we were towards the end of that rebuild (i.e. last year), he chose to extend players rather than trade them.
Anak  
PwndPapi : 7/23/2021 12:42 pm : link
We extended 24 year old defenseman who put up 50 pts the season prior and a 29 year old power forward, LW1 on the PP and a leader on the team. This was before Laf was drafted and before Fox emerged as a Norris winning defenseman.

That's not exactly mortgaging the future.
RE: Anak  
Anakim : 7/23/2021 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15311305 PwndPapi said:
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We extended 24 year old defenseman who put up 50 pts the season prior and a 29 year old power forward, LW1 on the PP and a leader on the team. This was before Laf was drafted and before Fox emerged as a Norris winning defenseman.

That's not exactly mortgaging the future.


And it came back to bite us in the ass. Kreider's contract is an albatross and DeAngelo didn't even last a year on his new deal. Both had trade interest (Dallas was rumored to be willing to include Jason Robertson among other assets in a deal for Kreider), but Gorton didn't see the offers as good enough so he decided to extend them.

It was basically the opposite of what he did with McDonagh
way too much for me too  
ColHowPepper : 7/23/2021 12:49 pm : link
Schneider/Nils, Kravtsov, Chytil + pick

I agree with JonC that skills stars doing lap dances for Gorton blinded him, but giving back so many of them for one piece, and a questionable one (health/team vs me orientation) at that is too much
I'm not going to defend the DeAngelo signing  
PwndPapi : 7/23/2021 12:54 pm : link
Didn't like him as a player or person, but I can see why they did it. I personally would have dealt him at the deadline during the 50 pt season.

You're probably might be right about Kreider but I don't see that as back-breaking. He's making just $5M, $5M and $4M in the final three years of the deal (which offers a partial NMC). He'll likely give us 4 seasons and then be dealt or bought out after '25/'26. Don't really have a problem with it if he's a vet leader who's producing 25 goals a season.

I have a much bigger problem handing out 6-year deals to 4th line wingers who will be making the same as Kreider.
RE: I'm not going to defend the DeAngelo signing  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/23/2021 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15311328 PwndPapi said:
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Didn't like him as a player or person, but I can see why they did it. I personally would have dealt him at the deadline during the 50 pt season.

You're probably might be right about Kreider but I don't see that as back-breaking. He's making just $5M, $5M and $4M in the final three years of the deal (which offers a partial NMC). He'll likely give us 4 seasons and then be dealt or bought out after '25/'26. Don't really have a problem with it if he's a vet leader who's producing 25 goals a season.

I have a much bigger problem handing out 6-year deals to 4th line wingers who will be making the same as Kreider.


I think you keep looking at the actual salary for each contract instead of the AAV. The actual salary is not what matters to the Rangers, it's the AAV. Goodrow and Kreider are $3M apart for cap purposes, so not the same. Just don't want you to keep referencing the wrong thing.
I get it  
PwndPapi : 7/23/2021 1:01 pm : link
I'm specifically talking about $$ committed. Those later years at higher money matter. The fact that we backloaded $10M in the final two seasons for a 4th line winger matters. It will make him more difficult to trade and more likely, result in a huge buyout.

Saying Goodrow costs $3M per season doesn't tell the whole story of how bad that contract is.
Also Goodrow  
pjcas18 : 7/23/2021 1:03 pm : link
played 3rd line on the stacked SC winners, why would he play 4th line for the Rangers?

Not that is matters anyway, it's rare teams have a "checking line" any more, but when teams are at home and can play match-ups it's usually the 3rd line who plays vs the other teams 1st line for many teams.

And as mentioned, all NHL contracts cap hits are AAV, what cash gets paid when, signing bonus vs salary, etc. is all irrelevant to almost every contract until/unless it's a recapture situation which is rare.

Goodrow is a good signing. Would it be better as a 4-year deal, sure, but it's a good signing at 6.
pjcas  
PwndPapi : 7/23/2021 1:13 pm : link
Panarin, Buch, Kravtsov. Who's minutes is Goodrow taking? Goodrow is a replacement for PDG, which I don't have a problem with because Goodrow will bolster the PK. I do have a problem locking him in for 6 years and backloading it to the extend we did.

And if you're telling me we're dealing Buch to make room for Goodrow, that's absolutely puke-inducing.
Just playing around with a buyout calculator  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/23/2021 1:15 pm : link
for Goodrow, it's really not that bad if that's what the contract comes to (this is ignoring the option of attaching an asset to him in a trade to rid us of his deal which is very doable due to the low AAV).

Say he plays 4 years for us and the on ice results are poor, the buyout looks like this:
25-26: $2.9M cap savings, $725K cap hit
26-27: $416K cap savings, $3.225M cap hit
27-28: No savings, $833K cap hit
28-29: No savings, $833K cap hit

Extend it to 5 years:
26-27: $833K savings, $2.8M cap hit
27-28: No savings, $416K cap hit

For shits and giggles while, I'm here, looking at a Kreider buy out:
Again, going to say he plays 4 more years with us before we do a buyout.
25-26: $3.5M Savings, $3M cap hit
26-27: $2.5M Savings, $4M cap hit
27-28: No savings, $1.5M cap hit
28-29: No savings, $1.5M cap hit

RE: pjcas  
pjcas18 : 7/23/2021 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15311345 PwndPapi said:
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Panarin, Buch, Kravtsov. Who's minutes is Goodrow taking? Goodrow is a replacement for PDG, which I don't have a problem with because Goodrow will bolster the PK. I do have a problem locking him in for 6 years and backloading it to the extend we did.

And if you're telling me we're dealing Buch to make room for Goodrow, that's absolutely puke-inducing.


To your point, some of it depends on how the rest of the offseason goes and how the roster shakes out.

Maybe Buch isn't traded to make room for Goodrow but to acquire Seth Jones or Eichel (or other player).

Also, I'd make Kravtsov a center, I think he should have been a center from the beginning, he has center instincts IMO (at least offensively), but even if they don't it's still a wait and see approach the way I think - before having a final opinion. And one final point a lot of forwards can play off wing (some prefer it).
Agree on Kravstov to C  
PwndPapi : 7/23/2021 1:29 pm : link
Top level playmaking skill, but I suspect he's still too much of a dancer and maybe a bit too casual with the puck as a lot of young skill players are. Particularly Russians (eg, Kovalev). Hopefully with gets resolved as he matures.
Goodrow  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/23/2021 1:30 pm : link
by time on ice, will not be a 4th line player, let's at least be serious. Again, we are looking at a guy with Tampa that was 4th in TOI among all of their forwards this playoff run, and that was a minute LESS than his TOI in their first cup run. Goodrow will be out there in every key defensive situation, Goodrow will probably take most key defensive zone draws as a C (career FO% of 52%), Goodrow becomes a key penalty killer, and he will yo-yo up and down the lineup as needed.

If Buch is not here, the contract you can point to as a main reason for that would be Kreider's, not Goodrow. That Kreider extension (as for or against it as you were), came before we won the lotto and added another core winger in Laf, which was a happy surprise to all in the organization. As PJ said, many wingers are fine playing on their off wing, and in our top 9 currently we have Panarin, Kakko, Laf, Kreider, Kravtsov, Goodrow (can see him between C/Wing), with Buch as an RFA, along with Chytil (who may end up being a better winger than center in the long run). Buch is going to be used to bring in a Center, or to bring in another asset in hopes of using that to get a Center in my opinion.
Good to hear if true  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/23/2021 3:26 pm : link
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Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
Belief is Drury won't budge on adding certain players to Eichel deal, so it appears #Sabres working to squeeze other teams (presumably MIN/ANA/LA) for players they prefer over #NYR package.

Very fluid situation, but sounds like a game of chicken. I don't sense Drury will blink.
no medicals? no deal  
JonC : 7/23/2021 3:28 pm : link
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Buchnevich traded to the Blues.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/23/2021 3:51 pm : link
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For Sam Blais and a 2nd in 2022.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/23/2021 3:52 pm : link
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