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Anakim : 7/23/2021 9:44 am
Mandy Bell
@MandyBell02
The Cleveland Indians will become the Guardians.
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I’m fine with dumping “Indians”  
GruningsOnTheHill : 7/23/2021 5:01 pm : link
but Guardians is just stupid.
And why, exactly, is this dumb?  
Matt M. : 7/23/2021 5:16 pm : link
I imagine they did research in Cleveland and perhaps fan surveys. This is a name that actually has meaning to the people of Cleveland and is rooted to the history of the city. How is that less stupid than naming a team after a random animal that really has nothing to do with the region?
When do the NJ Devils or California Angels change?  
MartyNJ1969 : 7/23/2021 5:41 pm : link
Many groups find both those names offensive.
RE: When do the NJ Devils or California Angels change?  
KDubbs : 7/23/2021 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15311687 MartyNJ1969 said:
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Many groups find both those names offensive.


probably because they are fake characters from a fictional book?
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Route 9 : 7/23/2021 6:03 pm : link
Jersey Devil aint fake, yo.

Saw him crawling around Smithville in 2007.
RE: Cleveland Rockers would make the most sense  
santacruzom : 7/23/2021 6:12 pm : link
In comment 15311099 dpinzow said:
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the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is there


Yeah but I bet the logo submissions for that name were all just God-awful, so they had to pull the plug.
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Route 9 : 7/23/2021 6:33 pm : link
Gonna go listen to the Drew Carey theme video now lol
RE: When do the NJ Devils or California Angels change?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/23/2021 7:44 pm : link
In comment 15311687 MartyNJ1969 said:
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Many groups find both those names offensive.


WTF?
RE: RE: RE: Cleveland Wokians  
christian : 7/23/2021 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15311178 rnargi said:
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.

No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.


Amen! There is nothing, and I mean nothing more unifying than believing those who don’t agree with you are useful idiots.

You’re a modern day Abe Lincoln.
RE: .  
Bill L : 7/23/2021 8:52 pm : link
In comment 15311573 Bill2 said:
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The area in and near Cleveland did stand "Guard" for the colonists in Ohio, Detroit, Western New York and Pennsylvania from Pontiacs War, the French and Indian Wars, the Revolution, the War of 1812 and a launch point in the "wars" to safeguard from the Erie Canal to Chicago.

The Hurons, the Delaware, the French and the Brits all were cleared out from 1730 to 1830.

Cleveland guarded the Great Lakes. Oliver Hazard Perry's fleet home Port was Cleveland in our attempt to drive the Brits out of the Great Lakes and the St Lawrence River Valley.

Cleveland was a Guardian for the new Republic. We all know how vital the Great Lakes,Ohio River and Mississippi were to the growth of our nation. During that 130 year period we fought several entrenched forces and we did it from the area from the Sandusky River to Youngstown.

So yeah...as a through back name...the "Guardians"does begin to re claims Clevelands original role in the formation of the USA.

Imo


So, in part they’re switching sides? From the Indians to the protectors from the Indians?
RE: the further they distance themselves from this...  
Bill L : 7/23/2021 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15311594 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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The better.

The one thing to take from that is that we are all one with our dentistry
I still come back to my steadfast position  
Bill L : 7/23/2021 8:55 pm : link
That mascots, and logos and silly icon names are just plain childish.

They should sell the rights to their names and logos to corporations and use it to raise additional revenue. Like they do with stadium names.

Or like we did in Little League.
RE: RE: Cleveland Rockers would make the most sense  
montanagiant : 7/23/2021 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15311186 j_rud said:
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the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is there



Just shorten it to "Cleveland Rocks" lime the old Presidents of the USA song they used on the Drew Carey show. Original, unique, rolls off the tongue, plenty of opportunity to design a logo that incorporates music and stone. Really big whiff with "guardians".

Yeah, I agree. Rockers would have been the best choice
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Bill2 : 7/23/2021 9:04 pm : link
In fairness, most native American alliances of that period were paid for by the French or the Brits.

Also in fairness, the post 1812 wars against Indian tribes in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois ( much less Tennessee and Kentucky) were vicious.

Just settling Indiana involved breaking over 39 different treaties by bloodshed before it was accepted for statehood.

Both Harrisons, Mad Anthony Wayne, Van Buren, Polk, Tyler and Andrew Jackson all were front line leaders or treacherous in their dealings on the frontier in the Ohio and upper Midwest
....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/23/2021 9:05 pm : link
Total aside, but have an uncle who lives in Solon, OH, a suburb of Cleveland; I've been to Cleveland probably 10 plus times in my life. It's a great city, despite the perception of it being a dump.
RE: ....  
Bill L : 7/23/2021 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15311861 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Total aside, but have an uncle who lives in Solon, OH, a suburb of Cleveland; I've been to Cleveland probably 10 plus times in my life. It's a great city, despite the perception of it being a dump.
about 30 years ago I interviewed for a job in Cleveland. Their selling point was “the river has caught on fire in quite some time”.
Has not  
Bill L : 7/23/2021 9:08 pm : link
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RE: RE: ....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/23/2021 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15311865 Bill L said:
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Total aside, but have an uncle who lives in Solon, OH, a suburb of Cleveland; I've been to Cleveland probably 10 plus times in my life. It's a great city, despite the perception of it being a dump.

about 30 years ago I interviewed for a job in Cleveland. Their selling point was “the river has caught on fire in quite some time”.


Bill, I believe that was the Cuyahoga. The late Indians also had the infamous $.10 beer night. To quote the late Tim Russert, 'I came with $2. You do the math.' Haha.
RE: RE: When do the NJ Devils or California Angels change?  
BillKo : 7/23/2021 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15311711 KDubbs said:
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Many groups find both those names offensive.



probably because they are fake characters from a fictional book?


Now that was quite funny, I have to admit :)
RE: RE: I'm trying..  
aquidneck : 7/24/2021 1:17 am : link
In comment 15311418 Greg from LI said:
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to think of a team that got it right with a name change.



Seattle Pilots to Milwaukee Brewers was a good one, as was Washington Senators to Texas Rangers.


The Houston Colt 45s to the Houston Astros was a good switch.
RE: Aren't Cowboys known...  
montanagiant : 7/24/2021 1:44 am : link
In comment 15311160 bw in dc said:
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for killing a lot of Indians?

And if so, I think the next step would be having the Cowboys change their name...

No, they're known for working cattle, thus the name COWboys
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Cleveland Wokians  
montanagiant : 7/24/2021 1:54 am : link
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.



No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.



oh christ....these kinds.




And your kind are destroying a great nation. Please expire.

Are you serious? A discussion about a sports team's name change triggers you so bad you want someone to "expire"?

WTF is wrong with you?
RE: When do the NJ Devils or California Angels change?  
montanagiant : 7/24/2021 1:57 am : link
In comment 15311687 MartyNJ1969 said:
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Many groups find both those names offensive.

What groups are those?
RE: RE: RE: I'm trying..  
nochance : 7/24/2021 10:36 am : link
In comment 15312037 aquidneck said:
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to think of a team that got it right with a name change.



Seattle Pilots to Milwaukee Brewers was a good one, as was Washington Senators to Texas Rangers.



The Houston Colt 45s to the Houston Astros was a good switch.


Houston changed their team name Colt 45's to the astros because of a copyright infringment with the beer company
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Route 9 : 7/24/2021 12:43 pm : link
So that's that ... right? Redskins done. Indians done. Carl Nassib and Mr. Potato Head are openly gay.

Now everybody is satisfied and we can all be at ease. Progress is being made.
RE: RE: When do the NJ Devils or California Angels change?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/24/2021 1:01 pm : link
In comment 15312041 montanagiant said:
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Many groups find both those names offensive.


What groups are those?


No clue. Also, it's the Los Angeles Angels. The Angels haven't been the 'California Angels' since like the first term of the Clinton administration.
RE: When do the NJ Devils or California Angels change?  
Pete in MD : 7/24/2021 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15311687 MartyNJ1969 said:
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Many groups find both those names offensive.

Didn't this pretty much already happen with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays?
RE: RE: RE: When do the NJ Devils or California Angels change?  
Bill L : 7/24/2021 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15312258 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Many groups find both those names offensive.


What groups are those?



No clue. Also, it's the Los Angeles Angels. The Angels haven't been the 'California Angels' since like the first term of the Clinton administration.

It’s not Anaheim?
I guess not  
Bill L : 7/24/2021 2:45 pm : link
I really am out of it
RE: I guess not  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/24/2021 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15312285 Bill L said:
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I really am out of it


Was Anaheim when they won it all in 02. Then they did the stupid Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim thing before just going to Los Angeles Angels, despite LA & Anaheim being nowhere near one another.
On the one hand, I think the new name is pretty silly.  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 7/24/2021 4:04 pm : link
On the other hand, there are two MLB teams named after socks.
RE: On the one hand, I think the new name is pretty silly.  
Pete in MD : 7/24/2021 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15312313 Gary from The East End said:
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On the other hand, there are two MLB teams named after socks.

Haha, not to mention the one team named after female horses and the other honoring men of the cloth.
RE: On the one hand, I think the new name is pretty silly.  
Scooter185 : 7/24/2021 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15312313 Gary from The East End said:
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On the other hand, there are two MLB teams named after socks.


Three: Red Sox, White Sox, and Reds (shortened from Red Stockings)

Also the Cardinals were named after the color, because a fan wrote the owner in the 1880s saying how lovely the shade of cardinal on the uniforms was.

STL had the Browns until they moved to Baltimore
RE: On the one hand, I think the new name is pretty silly.  
Scooter185 : 7/24/2021 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15312313 Gary from The East End said:
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On the other hand, there are two MLB teams named after socks.


Three: Red Sox, White Sox, and Reds (shortened from Red Stockings)

Also the Cardinals were named after the color, because a fan wrote the owner in the 1880s saying how lovely the shade of cardinal on the uniforms was.

STL had the Browns until they moved to Baltimore
I love those statues  
jpkmets : 7/24/2021 5:54 pm : link
And I think it’s a fine new name. Kinda lays out syllable-wise like Indians and is something local so I’m for it. Changing team teams always feels odd for a few months, but it’s settles in soon enough. Better than trading the Bullets for the Wiz at any rate!
One question I’ve wondered  
jpkmets : 7/24/2021 5:56 pm : link
would a sport from another franchise in another sport have any ability to block another team in a different sport from using a name? Like would GSW have to agree to it for a baseball team to call themselves the Warriors? Just no idea how it’s works.
RE: I love those statues  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/24/2021 6:17 pm : link
In comment 15312384 jpkmets said:
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And I think it’s a fine new name. Kinda lays out syllable-wise like Indians and is something local so I’m for it. Changing team teams always feels odd for a few months, but it’s settles in soon enough. Better than trading the Bullets for the Wiz at any rate!


I still occasionally slip up and call them the Bullets. Same with Oilers & Texans.
In terms of the Rocks or Rockers as potential choices  
JoeMoney19 : 7/24/2021 6:59 pm : link
which I agree would have been cool in theory, they probably didn't work for Colorado reasons.

I agree that the Spiders would have been the best choice and that the Guardians is pretty corny, but whatever.
Cleveland  
jacob12 : 7/24/2021 9:21 pm : link
Cleveland is the poorest big city in the country.
RE: Cleveland  
Bricktop : 7/24/2021 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15312488 jacob12 said:
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Cleveland is the poorest big city in the country.


False. It's Detroit and it's not close.
 
christian : 7/24/2021 10:02 pm : link
A lot of the data on population below the poverty line over the last 18 months is very skewed, but the Census Bureau did report in 2020 Cleveland had the highest percentage.

There’s also an argument that Cleveland, outside of the top 50, isn’t a big city.

Hmmm  
Beer Man : 7/25/2021 9:23 am : link
Replaced the "In" in their name with "Guar", how clever. Does this also mean Chief Wahoo will be replaced with this guy
all things considered, I think they did a very good job with the name  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/25/2021 9:46 am : link
- They picked a name that has a tie to the city's history (the Guardians of Traffic statues)

- The name has the same ending "-ians" and they are using a similar font so that the uniform will look similar.

- The "wings" off the G Logo are similar to the wings off the helmet of one of the Guardian statues

- the G Logo look like two fingers gripping a baseball.
the majority of sports teams names  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/25/2021 9:54 am : link
are stupid. Eventually it's just what they are called and no really thinks about it.

Are there a lot of trolleys in Los Angeles being dodged? How's that Jazz out in Salt Lake City? GOtta watch out for those Tigers down on 8 Mile. Angels? Giants? Jets? Heat, Magic, Red/White Sox, Reds, Wizards, Packers, Cardinals, etc.

Our country has a history of racist imagery against Native Americans, blacks, Asians, and many other ethnicities. The Indians got rid of Chief Wahoo and then decided to get rid of the name altogether.
RE: Hmmm  
Bill L : 7/25/2021 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15312580 Beer Man said:
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Replaced the "In" in their name with "Guar", how clever. Does this also mean Chief Wahoo will be replaced with this guy

On a different site I visit they had the same sort of comment. But, they also suggested that on bat day, the bats the give out were Groot shaped which might be cool.
So, can we watch MAJOR LEAGUE ever again?  
Optimus-NY : 7/26/2021 3:52 pm : link
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So, can we watch MAJOR LEAGUE ever again?  
Optimus-NY : 7/26/2021 3:52 pm : link
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RE: So, can we watch MAJOR LEAGUE ever again?  
Route 9 : 7/26/2021 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15313556 Optimus-NY said:
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I'm pretty sure it's available to watch on Tubi right now.
RE: So, can we watch MAJOR LEAGUE ever again?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/26/2021 6:11 pm : link
In comment 15313556 Optimus-NY said:
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'This guy here is dead'
'Cross him off then.'
RE: RE: On the one hand, I think the new name is pretty silly.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15312368 Scooter185 said:
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On the other hand, there are two MLB teams named after socks.



Three: Red Sox, White Sox, and Reds (shortened from Red Stockings)

Also the Cardinals were named after the color, because a fan wrote the owner in the 1880s saying how lovely the shade of cardinal on the uniforms was.

STL had the Browns until they moved to Baltimore


Yep. And the Browns were named after the original team that was the Brown Stockings
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