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Anakim : 7/23/2021 9:44 am
Mandy Bell
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The Cleveland Indians will become the Guardians.
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RE: RE: How many native america named teams are left?  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/23/2021 11:43 am : link
In comment 15311190 KDavies said:
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Braves, Warriors as well


Golden State is on pretty firm ground. They did use native iconography in the past, but they stopped over 50 years ago. And term Warrior is not Native American per se.
Spider's not happy  
Pete in MD : 7/23/2021 11:44 am : link
RE: RE: Cleveland Wokians  
weeg in the bronx : 7/23/2021 11:44 am : link
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Oh, man, nailed ‘em!!! Good one! ‘Woke!’ Ha!

Seriously, who gives an eff? Cleveland did a cost/benefit analysis and it pointed to a re-brand was in their best interest, end of story. Happy Friday.


I disagree. They caved to the tiny very loud woke mob. And failed in doing so with the worst name you could possibly come up with.
after a couple of years  
sshin05 : 7/23/2021 11:44 am : link
everyone will be used to the guardians. Since its rather unique, most ppl will know its the cleveland baseball team.
RE: RE: It's fine  
Mad Mike : 7/23/2021 11:45 am : link
In comment 15311229 BamaBlue said:
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I would say this is not people clinging to the name. That's not the issue. The issue is the ridiculous pressure to change a name and capitulation for the sake of appeasement. Anyone genuinely offended by the name "Indians" needs to be ignored, not appeased.

Quality.
Cool  
McNally's_Nuts : 7/23/2021 11:46 am : link
good for them. It has no bearing on my life.
It's always precious  
PwndPapi : 7/23/2021 11:54 am : link
to see folks whine about a private company choose to re-brand and then claim anyone who might have been offended ought to be ignored.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Cleveland Wokians  
rnargi : 7/23/2021 11:55 am : link
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.



No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.



We will be one people one day, but certainly not now. This change is a step towards your goal. Can you not see that?


Not in the fucking least. You had an actual native American family who designed the logo for the Washington Redskins lose money because of this insane 'wokeness'. The vast majority of native Americans couldn't care less. And the word Indian is not a pejorative, now is it? Why would any single entity want to name themselves something that was purposefully derogatory towards a particular culture? In fact, the argument can be made that calling themselves the Indians was being inclusive to Indians. It's pathetic pandering.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Cleveland Wokians  
dlauster : 7/23/2021 12:03 pm : link
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.



No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.



We will be one people one day, but certainly not now. This change is a step towards your goal. Can you not see that?



Not in the fucking least. You had an actual native American family who designed the logo for the Washington Redskins lose money because of this insane 'wokeness'. The vast majority of native Americans couldn't care less. And the word Indian is not a pejorative, now is it? Why would any single entity want to name themselves something that was purposefully derogatory towards a particular culture? In fact, the argument can be made that calling themselves the Indians was being inclusive to Indians. It's pathetic pandering.


Well you and I just think and believe in radically differently ways. I guess that's cool, because that's America too.
I think the name change  
Crazed Dogs : 7/23/2021 12:07 pm : link
is just ridiculous.....nuff said....
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Cleveland Wokians  
rnargi : 7/23/2021 12:08 pm : link
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.



No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.



We will be one people one day, but certainly not now. This change is a step towards your goal. Can you not see that?



Not in the fucking least. You had an actual native American family who designed the logo for the Washington Redskins lose money because of this insane 'wokeness'. The vast majority of native Americans couldn't care less. And the word Indian is not a pejorative, now is it? Why would any single entity want to name themselves something that was purposefully derogatory towards a particular culture? In fact, the argument can be made that calling themselves the Indians was being inclusive to Indians. It's pathetic pandering.



Well you and I just think and believe in radically differently ways. I guess that's cool, because that's America too.


Are you really "thinking"? As long as you continue to accept division and separatism,for any reason, you'll have division and separatism.
I think the name change  
Crazed Dogs : 7/23/2021 12:08 pm : link
is just ridiculous.....nuff said....
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Cleveland Wokians  
Mad Mike : 7/23/2021 12:10 pm : link
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Are you really "thinking"? As long as you continue to accept division and separatism,for any reason, you'll have division and separatism.

I mean. c'mon now. Plenty of people think the name changes are unnecessary, and it's not hard to understand why. But absurd comments like this really make you look silly.
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Big Al : 7/23/2021 12:14 pm : link
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.



No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.



We will be one people one day, but certainly not now. This change is a step towards your goal. Can you not see that?



Not in the fucking least. You had an actual native American family who designed the logo for the Washington Redskins lose money because of this insane 'wokeness'. The vast majority of native Americans couldn't care less. And the word Indian is not a pejorative, now is it? Why would any single entity want to name themselves something that was purposefully derogatory towards a particular culture? In fact, the argument can be made that calling themselves the Indians was being inclusive to Indians. It's pathetic pandering.



Well you and I just think and believe in radically differently ways. I guess that's cool, because that's America too.
Unfortunately today the direction is to call a radically different view un-American and silence it.
RE: It's always precious  
BamaBlue : 7/23/2021 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15311250 PwndPapi said:
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to see folks whine about a private company choose to re-brand and then claim anyone who might have been offended ought to be ignored.


It precious to see those 'smarter than everyone else' people who defend changing a name for no other reason than faux indignity. Like petulant children, they beg to be ignored.
I would've preferred "Spiders"  
NYerInMA : 7/23/2021 12:28 pm : link
But "Guardians" isn't the worst, I guess. We'll get used to it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Cleveland Wokians  
Regular Coffee : 7/23/2021 12:34 pm : link
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.



No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.



We will be one people one day, but certainly not now. This change is a step towards your goal. Can you not see that?


Why "not now"? Because ten pajama boys on Twitter said so? The racial divisiveness celebrated by you and others is one of the top problems this country has.
RE: RE: RE: Cleveland Wokians  
Joey from GlenCove : 7/23/2021 12:36 pm : link
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Oh, man, nailed ‘em!!! Good one! ‘Woke!’ Ha!

Seriously, who gives an eff? Cleveland did a cost/benefit analysis and it pointed to a re-brand was in their best interest, end of story. Happy Friday.



I disagree. They caved to the tiny very loud woke mob. And failed in doing so with the worst name you could possibly come up with.


The pelicans and wizards would like to have a word with you
Apparently, they  
Pete in MD : 7/23/2021 12:38 pm : link
were pissed that Rumble Ponies was already taken.
Absolutely should have gone with the  
BlueHurricane : 7/23/2021 12:38 pm : link
Cleveland Steamers
If we finally take all the Indian names off everything ...  
Csonka : 7/23/2021 12:41 pm : link
not only will we stop offending woke white people but we'll also pretty much never talk again about American Indians outside of the classroom. Maybe that's a step towards erasing our guilty conscience ... to just forget about them.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Cleveland Wokians  
Scooter185 : 7/23/2021 12:51 pm : link
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.



No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.



We will be one people one day, but certainly not now. This change is a step towards your goal. Can you not see that?



Not in the fucking least. You had an actual native American family who designed the logo for the Washington Redskins lose money because of this insane 'wokeness'. The vast majority of native Americans couldn't care less. And the word Indian is not a pejorative, now is it? Why would any single entity want to name themselves something that was purposefully derogatory towards a particular culture? In fact, the argument can be made that calling themselves the Indians was being inclusive to Indians. It's pathetic pandering.


Indian is actually a pejorative term, often used to separate if not dehumanize Natives. Yes they use the term themselves, but I guarantee they'd all rather just be called by their tribal name.

Aa far as why would an entity purposefully name themselves that, well in the early 1900s it wasn't seen as derogatory, but feelings have changed in the last 100+ years. There's also been protests about it since the 70s, it's not like this is a contemporary issue to "woke culture" there's just enough impetus now to actually do something about it

Will the name change materially affect natives? No probability not. There's a lot of issues many tribes face, especially so in this era of covid, but it's a step in denormalizing stereotypes, derogatory names, and seeing natives as something on par with amimals and sock colors.
RE: It's fine  
Route 9 : 7/23/2021 1:20 pm : link
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in a few years most people will look back and laugh at how tenaciously people clung to the old name.


No in a few years I'll still be laughing at just how awful the new (then current) name is.
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Jints in Carolina : 7/23/2021 1:25 pm : link
Has there ever been an attempt at an explanation  
BlackLight : 7/23/2021 1:32 pm : link
as to why it's taken so long for Washington to rename their team? It took Cleveland less than three months.
RE: RE: It's always precious  
PwndPapi : 7/23/2021 1:35 pm : link
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to see folks whine about a private company choose to re-brand and then claim anyone who might have been offended ought to be ignored.



It precious to see those 'smarter than everyone else' people who defend changing a name for no other reason than faux indignity. Like petulant children, they beg to be ignored.


That's...great. Be sure to make some signs. Big signs.
Proffesional sports  
Beef Wellington : 7/23/2021 1:45 pm : link
continues to wither on the vine as all these asinine changes are made to please every minority/gender under the sun. Is it ok to ask who Rocky Colavito played for?
I'm trying..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/23/2021 1:48 pm : link
to think of a team that got it right with a name change.

About the only one I can think of is Syracuse, who went from the Saltine Warriors to the Orange. At least they got an iconic mascot out of it.

I guess the Rays, Stars and Ducks losing the Devil, North and Mighty part isn't too bad either
RE: I'm trying..  
PwndPapi : 7/23/2021 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15311394 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to think of a team that got it right with a name change.

About the only one I can think of is Syracuse, who went from the Saltine Warriors to the Orange. At least they got an iconic mascot out of it.

I guess the Rays, Stars and Ducks losing the Devil, North and Mighty part isn't too bad either


I kind of preferred Mighty Ducks. I also preferred North Stars.

I think Supersonics got it right moving to Thunder (though I do miss the Supersonics colors and court paint. I also think Red Storm works better than Redmen. Not great, but better.

Worst, imho, is Bobcats.
I'm glad..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/23/2021 2:00 pm : link
the Hornets went back. The Bobcats would be like Washington naming themselves the Daniel-sans.
RE: I'm glad..  
Jints in Carolina : 7/23/2021 2:04 pm : link
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the Hornets went back. The Bobcats would be like Washington naming themselves the Daniel-sans.


Yep. The Bobcats were the worst.
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PwndPapi : 7/23/2021 2:05 pm : link
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the Hornets went back. The Bobcats would be like Washington naming themselves the Daniel-sans.


Or NYFG rebranding as the NY Marauders. Or Maracas. Some slick branding opportunities there. Mariaci band starts to play after each TD.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 7/23/2021 2:08 pm : link
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the Hornets went back. The Bobcats would be like Washington naming themselves the Daniel-sans.



Yep. The Bobcats were the worst.


I remember when they first named it the Bobcats, they talked about how plentiful the animals are in the area. Maybe if you go up to the mountains 3 hours away. Why not just call then the Beaches then - just as close.

It was Bob Johnson being an egomaniac from Day 1 and nobody called him on it from a media standpoint.
RE: I'm trying..  
Greg from LI : 7/23/2021 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15311394 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to think of a team that got it right with a name change.


Seattle Pilots to Milwaukee Brewers was a good one, as was Washington Senators to Texas Rangers.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 7/23/2021 2:11 pm : link
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to think of a team that got it right with a name change.



Seattle Pilots to Milwaukee Brewers was a good one, as was Washington Senators to Texas Rangers.


I was thinking more along teh lines of changes while staying in a location. I think when teams move, they should change the name.
RE: Has there ever been an attempt at an explanation  
Victor in CT : 7/23/2021 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15311371 BlackLight said:
[quote] as to why it's taken so long for Washington to rename their team? It took Cleveland less than three months.

and we've learned why more time is necessary LOL
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KDubbs : 7/23/2021 2:18 pm : link
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.



No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.


oh christ....these kinds.
What an awful awful awful choice.  
Red Dog : 7/23/2021 2:30 pm : link
RIP major league baseball in Cleveland.
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Route 9 : 7/23/2021 2:38 pm : link
And all is right in the world .... now that is tackled.
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PwndPapi : 7/23/2021 2:41 pm : link
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No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.


Man are we all fortunate to have this guy around. I mean, up until now, I'd have to wake up, decide on what I'm having for breakfast, and then make a shitload of choices at work.

Now we can simply wait for margin to send his morning memorandum outlining what we're to think and care about on that particular day. Fuckin' cake.
RE: they were only called 'Indians' in the first place because  
Matt M. : 7/23/2021 2:43 pm : link
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Columbus had no idea where he was.
Isn't that how most people end up in Cleveland?
Ever been to Cleveland?  
BigBluesman : 7/23/2021 2:43 pm : link
The Guardians of Transportation! C'mon it's not bad. The left breast of their jerseys can still read "dians" too!
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Beef Wellington : 7/23/2021 2:43 pm : link
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.



No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.



oh christ....these kinds.



And your kind are destroying a great nation. Please expire.
Count me in the minority. I like the name  
Matt M. : 7/23/2021 2:45 pm : link
It has significance to the city, those statues are cool and often featured when watching anything about Cleveland or based in Cleveland, I don't mind the logo or the font for the name. But, who cares if you or I like it? The target is people of Cleveland.
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KDubbs : 7/23/2021 2:49 pm : link
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.



No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.



oh christ....these kinds.




And your kind are destroying a great nation. Please expire.


my kind? you dont even know me or what i think. you idiots are whining over a sports teams name change just to fucking argue over something of little consequence. yea a team name is dividing the country. if you dont like my views youre un-American and leave my country! come down from that pedestal and kindly go fuck yourself
And the video Tom Hanks narrated  
Matt M. : 7/23/2021 2:57 pm : link
isn't bad either.
the  
RasputinPrime : 7/23/2021 3:14 pm : link
Los Angeles Guardians of Cleveland.

Yeah that's a fail.
would have been much better  
RasputinPrime : 7/23/2021 3:18 pm : link


But in the end, it's their franchise. Most sports franchise names are pretty crappy.
I don’t understand why people get up in arms  
bhill410 : 7/23/2021 3:35 pm : link
Of the changing of these names. I think we can all agree that native Americans got a pretty raw deal, if this upsets just one of them let’s try to be compassionate. I am the farthest thing from woke but to quote Chris rock “ain’t no one had it as hard as the Native American”.
calling Native Americans Indians  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/23/2021 3:58 pm : link
has always been stupid as fuck. Also, their old logo was a an embarrassment. It's good that they are distancing themselves from it.
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