The area in and near Cleveland did stand "Guard" for the colonists in Ohio, Detroit, Western New York and Pennsylvania from Pontiacs War, the French and Indian Wars, the Revolution, the War of 1812 and a launch point in the "wars" to safeguard from the Erie Canal to Chicago.
The Hurons, the Delaware, the French and the Brits all were cleared out from 1730 to 1830.
Cleveland guarded the Great Lakes. Oliver Hazard Perry's fleet home Port was Cleveland in our attempt to drive the Brits out of the Great Lakes and the St Lawrence River Valley.
Cleveland was a Guardian for the new Republic. We all know how vital the Great Lakes,Ohio River and Mississippi were to the growth of our nation. During that 130 year period we fought several entrenched forces and we did it from the area from the Sandusky River to Youngstown.
So yeah...as a through back name...the "Guardians"does begin to re claims Clevelands original role in the formation of the USA.
That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.
No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.
oh christ....these kinds.
And your kind are destroying a great nation. Please expire.
Why don’t you just come out and say the racist shit you want to say instead of being such a fucking coward.
Of the changing of these names. I think we can all agree that native Americans got a pretty raw deal, if this upsets just one of them let’s try to be compassionate. I am the farthest thing from woke but to quote Chris rock “ain’t no one had it as hard as the Native American”.
It bucks the status quo where casual racism against natives is ok. Those who are upset (dare I say triggered) by the change are of the mindset "this is the way it's always been, so this how it always should be." When something challenges that and pushes them out of their comfort zone, and change is an uncomfortable thing, they lash out.
RE: RE: I don’t understand why people get up in arms
Of the changing of these names. I think we can all agree that native Americans got a pretty raw deal, if this upsets just one of them let’s try to be compassionate. I am the farthest thing from woke but to quote Chris rock “ain’t no one had it as hard as the Native American”.
It bucks the status quo where casual racism against natives is ok. Those who are upset (dare I say triggered) by the change are of the mindset "this is the way it's always been, so this how it always should be." When something challenges that and pushes them out of their comfort zone, and change is an uncomfortable thing, they lash out.
Both good points. I am fine with some of the name changes. I will be upset if they change the NY Giants because it offends smaller people.
I imagine they did research in Cleveland and perhaps fan surveys. This is a name that actually has meaning to the people of Cleveland and is rooted to the history of the city. How is that less stupid than naming a team after a random animal that really has nothing to do with the region?
When do the NJ Devils or California Angels change?
That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.
No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.
Amen! There is nothing, and I mean nothing more unifying than believing those who don’t agree with you are useful idiots.
The area in and near Cleveland did stand "Guard" for the colonists in Ohio, Detroit, Western New York and Pennsylvania from Pontiacs War, the French and Indian Wars, the Revolution, the War of 1812 and a launch point in the "wars" to safeguard from the Erie Canal to Chicago.
The Hurons, the Delaware, the French and the Brits all were cleared out from 1730 to 1830.
Cleveland guarded the Great Lakes. Oliver Hazard Perry's fleet home Port was Cleveland in our attempt to drive the Brits out of the Great Lakes and the St Lawrence River Valley.
Cleveland was a Guardian for the new Republic. We all know how vital the Great Lakes,Ohio River and Mississippi were to the growth of our nation. During that 130 year period we fought several entrenched forces and we did it from the area from the Sandusky River to Youngstown.
So yeah...as a through back name...the "Guardians"does begin to re claims Clevelands original role in the formation of the USA.
Imo
So, in part they’re switching sides? From the Indians to the protectors from the Indians?
RE: the further they distance themselves from this...
Just shorten it to "Cleveland Rocks" lime the old Presidents of the USA song they used on the Drew Carey show. Original, unique, rolls off the tongue, plenty of opportunity to design a logo that incorporates music and stone. Really big whiff with "guardians".
Yeah, I agree. Rockers would have been the best choice
In fairness, most native American alliances of that period were paid for by the French or the Brits.
Also in fairness, the post 1812 wars against Indian tribes in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois ( much less Tennessee and Kentucky) were vicious.
Just settling Indiana involved breaking over 39 different treaties by bloodshed before it was accepted for statehood.
Both Harrisons, Mad Anthony Wayne, Van Buren, Polk, Tyler and Andrew Jackson all were front line leaders or treacherous in their dealings on the frontier in the Ohio and upper Midwest
Total aside, but have an uncle who lives in Solon, OH, a suburb of Cleveland; I've been to Cleveland probably 10 plus times in my life. It's a great city, despite the perception of it being a dump.
Total aside, but have an uncle who lives in Solon, OH, a suburb of Cleveland; I've been to Cleveland probably 10 plus times in my life. It's a great city, despite the perception of it being a dump.
about 30 years ago I interviewed for a job in Cleveland. Their selling point was “the river has caught on fire in quite some time”.
Total aside, but have an uncle who lives in Solon, OH, a suburb of Cleveland; I've been to Cleveland probably 10 plus times in my life. It's a great city, despite the perception of it being a dump.
about 30 years ago I interviewed for a job in Cleveland. Their selling point was “the river has caught on fire in quite some time”.
Bill, I believe that was the Cuyahoga. The late Indians also had the infamous $.10 beer night. To quote the late Tim Russert, 'I came with $2. You do the math.' Haha.
RE: RE: When do the NJ Devils or California Angels change?
That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.
No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.
oh christ....these kinds.
And your kind are destroying a great nation. Please expire.
Are you serious? A discussion about a sports team's name change triggers you so bad you want someone to "expire"?
WTF is wrong with you?
RE: When do the NJ Devils or California Angels change?
Was Anaheim when they won it all in 02. Then they did the stupid Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim thing before just going to Los Angeles Angels, despite LA & Anaheim being nowhere near one another.
On the one hand, I think the new name is pretty silly.
And I think it’s a fine new name. Kinda lays out syllable-wise like Indians and is something local so I’m for it. Changing team teams always feels odd for a few months, but it’s settles in soon enough. Better than trading the Bullets for the Wiz at any rate!
would a sport from another franchise in another sport have any ability to block another team in a different sport from using a name? Like would GSW have to agree to it for a baseball team to call themselves the Warriors? Just no idea how it’s works.
And I think it’s a fine new name. Kinda lays out syllable-wise like Indians and is something local so I’m for it. Changing team teams always feels odd for a few months, but it’s settles in soon enough. Better than trading the Bullets for the Wiz at any rate!
I still occasionally slip up and call them the Bullets. Same with Oilers & Texans.
In terms of the Rocks or Rockers as potential choices
The Hurons, the Delaware, the French and the Brits all were cleared out from 1730 to 1830.
Cleveland guarded the Great Lakes. Oliver Hazard Perry's fleet home Port was Cleveland in our attempt to drive the Brits out of the Great Lakes and the St Lawrence River Valley.
Cleveland was a Guardian for the new Republic. We all know how vital the Great Lakes,Ohio River and Mississippi were to the growth of our nation. During that 130 year period we fought several entrenched forces and we did it from the area from the Sandusky River to Youngstown.
So yeah...as a through back name...the "Guardians"does begin to re claims Clevelands original role in the formation of the USA.
Imo
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.
No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.
oh christ....these kinds.
And your kind are destroying a great nation. Please expire.
Why don’t you just come out and say the racist shit you want to say instead of being such a fucking coward.
I thought it was cool. Looked like a guy you don't want to screw around with.
The better.
It bucks the status quo where casual racism against natives is ok. Those who are upset (dare I say triggered) by the change are of the mindset "this is the way it's always been, so this how it always should be." When something challenges that and pushes them out of their comfort zone, and change is an uncomfortable thing, they lash out.
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Of the changing of these names. I think we can all agree that native Americans got a pretty raw deal, if this upsets just one of them let’s try to be compassionate. I am the farthest thing from woke but to quote Chris rock “ain’t no one had it as hard as the Native American”.
It bucks the status quo where casual racism against natives is ok. Those who are upset (dare I say triggered) by the change are of the mindset "this is the way it's always been, so this how it always should be." When something challenges that and pushes them out of their comfort zone, and change is an uncomfortable thing, they lash out.
Both good points. I am fine with some of the name changes. I will be upset if they change the NY Giants because it offends smaller people.
probably because they are fake characters from a fictional book?
Saw him crawling around Smithville in 2007.
Yeah but I bet the logo submissions for that name were all just God-awful, so they had to pull the plug.
WTF?
No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.
Amen! There is nothing, and I mean nothing more unifying than believing those who don’t agree with you are useful idiots.
You’re a modern day Abe Lincoln.
The Hurons, the Delaware, the French and the Brits all were cleared out from 1730 to 1830.
Cleveland guarded the Great Lakes. Oliver Hazard Perry's fleet home Port was Cleveland in our attempt to drive the Brits out of the Great Lakes and the St Lawrence River Valley.
Cleveland was a Guardian for the new Republic. We all know how vital the Great Lakes,Ohio River and Mississippi were to the growth of our nation. During that 130 year period we fought several entrenched forces and we did it from the area from the Sandusky River to Youngstown.
So yeah...as a through back name...the "Guardians"does begin to re claims Clevelands original role in the formation of the USA.
Imo
So, in part they’re switching sides? From the Indians to the protectors from the Indians?
The better.
The one thing to take from that is that we are all one with our dentistry
They should sell the rights to their names and logos to corporations and use it to raise additional revenue. Like they do with stadium names.
Or like we did in Little League.
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Just shorten it to "Cleveland Rocks" lime the old Presidents of the USA song they used on the Drew Carey show. Original, unique, rolls off the tongue, plenty of opportunity to design a logo that incorporates music and stone. Really big whiff with "guardians".
Yeah, I agree. Rockers would have been the best choice
Also in fairness, the post 1812 wars against Indian tribes in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois ( much less Tennessee and Kentucky) were vicious.
Just settling Indiana involved breaking over 39 different treaties by bloodshed before it was accepted for statehood.
Both Harrisons, Mad Anthony Wayne, Van Buren, Polk, Tyler and Andrew Jackson all were front line leaders or treacherous in their dealings on the frontier in the Ohio and upper Midwest
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Total aside, but have an uncle who lives in Solon, OH, a suburb of Cleveland; I've been to Cleveland probably 10 plus times in my life. It's a great city, despite the perception of it being a dump.
about 30 years ago I interviewed for a job in Cleveland. Their selling point was “the river has caught on fire in quite some time”.
Bill, I believe that was the Cuyahoga. The late Indians also had the infamous $.10 beer night. To quote the late Tim Russert, 'I came with $2. You do the math.' Haha.
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Many groups find both those names offensive.
probably because they are fake characters from a fictional book?
Now that was quite funny, I have to admit :)
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to think of a team that got it right with a name change.
Seattle Pilots to Milwaukee Brewers was a good one, as was Washington Senators to Texas Rangers.
The Houston Colt 45s to the Houston Astros was a good switch.
And if so, I think the next step would be having the Cowboys change their name...
No, they're known for working cattle, thus the name COWboys
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That's a jerky thing to write. This is both important and long freaking overdue and if you don't get it just keep it to yourself please.
No. It's not important. It's trivial and meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's only important to those that continue to want to keep Americans divided. We are one nation. We are one people. We should never hyphenate or segregate ourselves in any way. There is one American Flag, One American National Anthem, there is one America. If you believe differently, you are a useful idiot to those that wish to keep us divided.
oh christ....these kinds.
And your kind are destroying a great nation. Please expire.
Are you serious? A discussion about a sports team's name change triggers you so bad you want someone to "expire"?
WTF is wrong with you?
What groups are those?
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to think of a team that got it right with a name change.
Seattle Pilots to Milwaukee Brewers was a good one, as was Washington Senators to Texas Rangers.
The Houston Colt 45s to the Houston Astros was a good switch.
Houston changed their team name Colt 45's to the astros because of a copyright infringment with the beer company
Now everybody is satisfied and we can all be at ease. Progress is being made.
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Many groups find both those names offensive.
What groups are those?
No clue. Also, it's the Los Angeles Angels. The Angels haven't been the 'California Angels' since like the first term of the Clinton administration.
Didn't this pretty much already happen with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays?
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Many groups find both those names offensive.
What groups are those?
No clue. Also, it's the Los Angeles Angels. The Angels haven't been the 'California Angels' since like the first term of the Clinton administration.
It’s not Anaheim?
Was Anaheim when they won it all in 02. Then they did the stupid Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim thing before just going to Los Angeles Angels, despite LA & Anaheim being nowhere near one another.
Haha, not to mention the one team named after female horses and the other honoring men of the cloth.
Three: Red Sox, White Sox, and Reds (shortened from Red Stockings)
Also the Cardinals were named after the color, because a fan wrote the owner in the 1880s saying how lovely the shade of cardinal on the uniforms was.
STL had the Browns until they moved to Baltimore
Three: Red Sox, White Sox, and Reds (shortened from Red Stockings)
Also the Cardinals were named after the color, because a fan wrote the owner in the 1880s saying how lovely the shade of cardinal on the uniforms was.
STL had the Browns until they moved to Baltimore
I still occasionally slip up and call them the Bullets. Same with Oilers & Texans.
I agree that the Spiders would have been the best choice and that the Guardians is pretty corny, but whatever.
False. It's Detroit and it's not close.