as much as I used to, but my god this is a tough pill to swallow. I loved Buch as a player, but this return is awful unless Drury has another deal lined up already. I can't see a 22' second being including in an Eichel trade and moving the needle very much even in a deep draft.
as much as I used to, but my god this is a tough pill to swallow. I loved Buch as a player, but this return is awful unless Drury has another deal lined up already. I can't see a 22' second being including in an Eichel trade and moving the needle very much even in a deep draft.
I like Buch even more than his caliber of play warrants (and he's a legitimate first line winger) but accepted he was going to be traded. This return is just brutal.
I don't understand the fascination of grit and then moving Bunch - he's a tough player to play against, more physical than his size suggests, and strong along the boards. Just befuddling.
it's a shit deal and I'm unhappy Buch is gone. He made a big leap last year. But this is a money move and we have to think it's a necessary step to another deal.
They must have mapped out the cap for future years and realized he/his projected cap # had to go. I mentioned the other day, retaining all their RFAs seemed unlikely due to this.
have soft spots for players we drafted and developed. Buch may have priced himself out, and that's the nature of the business. This one just stings a bit. Hoping Drury has something else up his sleeve.
Might have been their best 2 way forward last year. However, there are times you need to deal some skill for grit. The Rangers have enough skill. They had very little toughness (if that’s what you want to call it). It also frees up a top six role for one of the younger guys. Everyone is saying it’s brutal...how many people know anything about Blais.
They must have mapped out the cap for future years and realized he/his projected cap # had to go. I mentioned the other day, retaining all their RFAs seemed unlikely due to this.
Agree. Not a ton of leverage on Drury's side for this.
Might have been their best 2 way forward last year. However, there are times you need to deal some skill for grit. The Rangers have enough skill. They had very little toughness (if that’s what you want to call it). It also frees up a top six role for one of the younger guys. Everyone is saying it’s brutal...how many people know anything about Blais.
He better be upper echelon "grit", because he's got all of 14 career goals. For those not playing along at home, we dealt a near ppg top line winger who also happened to be our best PK forward + $21M over 6 for two guys who managed all of 12 goals between them last season. But oh.....the grit they'll bring when we lose games 3-2 next season on our way to missing the playoffs.
Who knows hockey way better than me. My reaction was the same as everyone else here.
But he said the Blair’s kid is “very annoying”, which we all know the Rangers desperately need. An obvious cap move as well. And of course the draft pick. He usually hates most ranger moves, but likes the return. Said he has a little bit of offensive upside still in, but very annoying to play against, he said that repeatedly.
Might have been their best 2 way forward last year. However, there are times you need to deal some skill for grit. The Rangers have enough skill. They had very little toughness (if that’s what you want to call it). It also frees up a top six role for one of the younger guys. Everyone is saying it’s brutal...how many people know anything about Blais.
I'll admit I've only seen a few of the Blues games last year. I know Blais is tough and very good on the forecheck. He'll most likely be on a line with Goodrow. I guess the Rangers weren't kidding when they said they wanted "grit".
Can be feisty at times. Blais has a little Clutterbuck in him. If you just look at on the surface...talent wise...Blues fleeced the Rangers. However, it frees up some $$$ and gives one of their younger players a chance to step up. Drury is in a very difficult spot trying to balance out the lineup. Unfortunately, you are going to see more deals like this than not.
I feel like there's a huge misconception out there. He's pretty gritty.
I agree but I don't think this is about him as a player. It's a cap move and also a function of the fact that the nearly all best forwards in the organization are all wingers. He played himself into a big salary and was the logical one to move given the glut of wingers.
The return is depressing, but part of me thinks being potentially a year away from UFA reduces the return. But then I see what Buffalo just got for Risto and I don't know. Different positions but Buch is objectively a better player.
The Rangers traded a good player who is about to get paid
inevitable Strome trade is trading top-6 guys for bottom-6 guys, ala Tony Amonte for Stephan Matteau and Brian Noonan.
It's terrible asset management. Yes, we need to get grittier and tougher to play against, but you don't need to trade top-6 caliber players in order to do so. We have one of the deepest prospect systems in the league. We have draft picks.
IMO the 'grit' thing is annoying and way overstated
I watching years and years of the Rangers trotting out Tanner Glass and others on their 3rd and 4th lines for years during the playoffs. Never did them any good
Trading young talent that is entering its prime for 3rd and 4th line snoozers. All because of Tom Wilson!
I don't think the Buch trade has much to do with the "grit" mandate. The Goodrow contract obviously did. But I have to imagine the organization saw what we did, theat Buch actually developed into a pretty tough player. This is a cap move, plain and simple.
RE: The Rangers traded a good player who is about to get paid
They weren't dealing from a position of strength. Weak return but no one was going to offer anything close to equal skills.
Why not? Buffalo just traded a below-league-average defenseman making $5M in the final year of his deal to PHI for a fuckload. Drury dealt an ascending top line winger for a 4th line winger.
Drury is like Sandy Alderson under the Wilpons collecting gritty equivalents of 6th starters. Fucking awful.
If this was the best offer, I don't see why it couldn't have waited to see if something else came along. Especially since it doesn't involve a draft pick tonight.
I know they are worried about the salary cap down the road but Buchnevich is one of their best players and a top-echelon talent and the return suggests an early salary dump. Not a fan of this trade or Drury.
Pavel Buchnevich is 26 and outproduced Mathew Barzal, William Nylander, and Matt Tkachuk and he gets traded for Sammy Blais.
One of those guys has three years left in his deal, one has two years left, and literally not a single human being alive would say Buchnevich is as good as the third guy. Not a great comparison.
I know they are worried about the salary cap down the road but Buchnevich is one of their best players and a top-echelon talent and the return suggests an early salary dump. Not a fan of this trade or Drury.
I am kool unloading 89 and understand the finaciual projections behind the desire to move him, but use hi to get a better center or inpact player, nto a grinder and a 2nd in an average draft year.
you could have traded a lesser asset and gotten sammie .... you used one of your best chips on a 4th line guys .... unbelievable
were an actual good team given all of their cap constraints. And yes, I get it that there's some nuance to it, but it's odd that a team that's wasn't all that good last season had to move on from a productive player who's theoretically entering his prime.
were an actual good team given all of their cap constraints. And yes, I get it that there's some nuance to it, but it's odd that a team that's wasn't all that good last season had to move on from a productive player who's theoretically entering his prime.
That's the puzzling thing. They really aren't in bad cap shape. They did not HAVE to deal Buch. They choose to deal him to acquire another 6 goal scorer.
Drury took over a young, acending team on the cusp of contention, rife with assets and in two moves has made this team worse. Depressing.
but they need not only guys that play with grit/agression/physicalty but guys that can play through it and not completley lose their game.
The Rangers have been an east west team that folds when you punch them in the mouth. They need guys to play in the corners, in front of the net and win in the faceoff circle. They were an easy team ti play against. The amount of goals given up in the last 90 seconds of a period was comical.
doesn't take much to achieve that. But I like what the Rangers are doing. I've been watching the Rangers get pushed around for 50 years.
They still have Zibanejad (who is going to get paid big big money) Panarin, Kakko, Kravtsov, Lafreniere, Krieder, Chytil (who is going to need to be paid or traded soon) and Strome (for now). That seems like plenty of firepower for a top 6 and PP1 and PP2.
The two guys they brought in played for the last 2 Stanley Cup winners and add size and checking.
Two years in a row when the games really mattered at the end of their seasons the Rangers were blown off the ice by bigger stronger teams.
Buchnevich is a good player but he was blocking guys who can be elite players. I posted a few weeks ago I expected the Rangers to "lose" the talent parts of trades to fill in the missing pieces they have. That seems to be happening here.
The Krieder contract turned out to be a killer. I doubt they would have handed it out if they knew they'd be drafting wingers #1 & #2 the two years after he signed it.
I think this trade is what the Rangers need in the big picture
They have plenty of skill players still on the roster.
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Buchnevich finished as the 7th highest scoring RW, and 35th highest scoring forward. He had more points than the Leafs’ William Nylander who earns $6.96 million and signed in 2018. There was no way to get him to agree to a short-term deal for the number the team likely wanted.
Buchnevich was earning $3.25 million and wanted a long-term deal. The Rangers obviously were not comfortable with that and moved him for cap space more than anything else.
In return, the Rangers get more bottom six grit in Sammy Blais. The 6-2, 205 lbs winger is a straight up and down physical player who can chip in offensively. This past season he recorded 15 points in 36 games. Over the last two season he’s thrown 258 hits in 76 games played. A pure hard-nosed physical presence.
The real key here for the Rangers is his salary at just $1.5 million. The 25 year-old will be an RFA with arbitration rights. Drury also picked up a second round pick in the 2022 draft.
New York now has over $22 million in cap space per PuckPedia, expected to by near 26 once DeAngelo buyout complete.
and cleared cap space. Unfortunately the rest of the NHL didn't value him as much as the people on this thread. Good player. Not elite. 1 year of control left and then 5-6 million to resign him in a league with little cap space. The Rangers have too many other guys they have to pay. He had to go but it's unfortunate that the return wasn't more.
this was an absolutely horrendous, indefensible trade
I'm with B - this has the stench of Sather all over it.
I mean the fuckin contract smelled like Optimos and Wild Turkey. What more evidence do we need?
Seriously though. There were a few of us who called the Sather reinsurtion into the Rangers after the coach was fired. Next thing we know, Drury is hired and Sather is mentioned as an "advisor" - Bullshit.
@vzmercogliano
Buchnevich is headed to St. Louis for F Sammy Blais and a 2022 second-round pick, per source. #NYR
@vzmercogliano
Buchnevich is headed to St. Louis for F Sammy Blais and a 2022 second-round pick, per source. #NYR
Is this a deal that leads to eichel?
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Buchnevich is headed to St. Louis for F Sammy Blais and a 2022 second-round pick, per source. #NYR
Is this a deal that leads to eichel?
No. It doesn't move the needle. This is just an awful, awful, awful trade. Trading a top-six F for a gritty bottom-six guy and a crappy draft pick.
Awful.
He had nearly a PPG last year. I guarantee you they could've gotten more for him than this crappy offer.
This feels exactly like the McDonagh/Miller trade. I can't see anyway where we win this trade.
I like Buch even more than his caliber of play warrants (and he's a legitimate first line winger) but accepted he was going to be traded. This return is just brutal.
I don't understand the fascination of grit and then moving Bunch - he's a tough player to play against, more physical than his size suggests, and strong along the boards. Just befuddling.
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He had nearly a PPG last year. I guarantee you they could've gotten more for him than this crappy offer.
I'm sure Drury turned down a better offer to take a lesser package
Agree. Not a ton of leverage on Drury's side for this.
He better be upper echelon "grit", because he's got all of 14 career goals. For those not playing along at home, we dealt a near ppg top line winger who also happened to be our best PK forward + $21M over 6 for two guys who managed all of 12 goals between them last season. But oh.....the grit they'll bring when we lose games 3-2 next season on our way to missing the playoffs.
But he said the Blair’s kid is “very annoying”, which we all know the Rangers desperately need. An obvious cap move as well. And of course the draft pick. He usually hates most ranger moves, but likes the return. Said he has a little bit of offensive upside still in, but very annoying to play against, he said that repeatedly.
I'll admit I've only seen a few of the Blues games last year. I know Blais is tough and very good on the forecheck. He'll most likely be on a line with Goodrow. I guess the Rangers weren't kidding when they said they wanted "grit".
I agree but I don't think this is about him as a player. It's a cap move and also a function of the fact that the nearly all best forwards in the organization are all wingers. He played himself into a big salary and was the logical one to move given the glut of wingers.
The return is depressing, but part of me thinks being potentially a year away from UFA reduces the return. But then I see what Buffalo just got for Risto and I don't know. Different positions but Buch is objectively a better player.
It's terrible asset management. Yes, we need to get grittier and tougher to play against, but you don't need to trade top-6 caliber players in order to do so. We have one of the deepest prospect systems in the league. We have draft picks.
I watching years and years of the Rangers trotting out Tanner Glass and others on their 3rd and 4th lines for years during the playoffs. Never did them any good
Trading young talent that is entering its prime for 3rd and 4th line snoozers. All because of Tom Wilson!
Why not? Buffalo just traded a below-league-average defenseman making $5M in the final year of his deal to PHI for a fuckload. Drury dealt an ascending top line winger for a 4th line winger.
Drury is like Sandy Alderson under the Wilpons collecting gritty equivalents of 6th starters. Fucking awful.
Unless something bigger is coming...
@TheDraftAnalyst
Pavel Buchnevich is 26 and outproduced Mathew Barzal, William Nylander, and Matt Tkachuk and he gets traded for Sammy Blais.
Unless the price has come down in a huge way from reports, hope it isn't Eichel.
@TheDraftAnalyst
Pavel Buchnevich is 26 and outproduced Mathew Barzal, William Nylander, and Matt Tkachuk and he gets traded for Sammy Blais.
One of those guys has three years left in his deal, one has two years left, and literally not a single human being alive would say Buchnevich is as good as the third guy. Not a great comparison.
I am kool unloading 89 and understand the finaciual projections behind the desire to move him, but use hi to get a better center or inpact player, nto a grinder and a 2nd in an average draft year.
you could have traded a lesser asset and gotten sammie .... you used one of your best chips on a 4th line guys .... unbelievable
Unless you're a St. Louis Blues fan.
That's the puzzling thing. They really aren't in bad cap shape. They did not HAVE to deal Buch. They choose to deal him to acquire another 6 goal scorer.
Drury took over a young, acending team on the cusp of contention, rife with assets and in two moves has made this team worse. Depressing.
Foxy gonna cost 8 figures.
Foxy gonna cost 8 figures.
Shh, they'll hear you and trade him for a cheap bottom pair guy.
Shouldn't be a surprise though...Once that bloated jackass Dolan opened his spoiled fucking pie-hole I knew the honeymoon was over
The Rangers have been an east west team that folds when you punch them in the mouth. They need guys to play in the corners, in front of the net and win in the faceoff circle. They were an easy team ti play against. The amount of goals given up in the last 90 seconds of a period was comical.
Strome needs to be next out the door
They still have Zibanejad (who is going to get paid big big money) Panarin, Kakko, Kravtsov, Lafreniere, Krieder, Chytil (who is going to need to be paid or traded soon) and Strome (for now). That seems like plenty of firepower for a top 6 and PP1 and PP2.
The two guys they brought in played for the last 2 Stanley Cup winners and add size and checking.
Two years in a row when the games really mattered at the end of their seasons the Rangers were blown off the ice by bigger stronger teams.
Buchnevich is a good player but he was blocking guys who can be elite players. I posted a few weeks ago I expected the Rangers to "lose" the talent parts of trades to fill in the missing pieces they have. That seems to be happening here.
The Krieder contract turned out to be a killer. I doubt they would have handed it out if they knew they'd be drafting wingers #1 & #2 the two years after he signed it.
Buchnevich was earning $3.25 million and wanted a long-term deal. The Rangers obviously were not comfortable with that and moved him for cap space more than anything else.
In return, the Rangers get more bottom six grit in Sammy Blais. The 6-2, 205 lbs winger is a straight up and down physical player who can chip in offensively. This past season he recorded 15 points in 36 games. Over the last two season he’s thrown 258 hits in 76 games played. A pure hard-nosed physical presence.
The real key here for the Rangers is his salary at just $1.5 million. The 25 year-old will be an RFA with arbitration rights. Drury also picked up a second round pick in the 2022 draft.
New York now has over $22 million in cap space per PuckPedia, expected to by near 26 once DeAngelo buyout complete.
Rangers trade Pavel Buchnevich to St. Louis Blues; likely more deals coming - ( New Window )
@patmick2626
Keep an eye on Mika Zibenejad tomorrow
I never heard of Pat until today, but his brother is indeed Joe Micheletti so you would think he's in the know...
Drury is going overboard with this toughness thing.
I mean the fuckin contract smelled like Optimos and Wild Turkey. What more evidence do we need?
Seriously though. There were a few of us who called the Sather reinsurtion into the Rangers after the coach was fired. Next thing we know, Drury is hired and Sather is mentioned as an "advisor" - Bullshit.