As Green Bay 2021 over-under win totals disappear from places like DraftKings, PointsBet, and Westgate, multiple sports books reportedly believe Aaron Rodgers will be retiring next week. PFT Twitter - ( New Window )
Ah, so it is about the money! Which is believable(it is always about money). But you are still denying he consistently said the Packers did not give him enough weapons and most people figured it was a dig on them drafting Love instead of a WR. He kind of meekly later said Love was a nice kid...
We had a big discussion about the fact that they lost to TB because his LT was injured and he got chased by JPP and Shaq Barrett all game, not that he had insufficient weapons as he claimed.
It’s not about even being the highest paid player though, at least it wasn’t before. It is now though. It was about the fact that he signed what he imagined a good faith contract with the Packers so they could backload the deal more. Instead, they can pull the rug out from him at any moment. Nobody likes that type of insecurity in their job, let alone the best in the world at what they do . So in that sense it was a smack in the face twice. You think Rogers saw the Packers drafting a QB while he was still at top of his game?
He was 37/38 when Love was drafted - not like he was 32. Yes he is still probably the best QB in the NFL, right now, maybe #2 to Mahomes. He is getting $37 mill this year and $39 next year. Yes a lot is the bonus he got when he signed (about $14 mill per). How can you blame the Packers for worrying about a QB that will be 40 when his contract expires? I do see both sides, though. It is the tight rope each team (and player walks).
Because age is a meaningless number to QBs in today’s NFL? And the signs of decline are apparent before they manifest into not being an NFL starter anymore? Rogers was also just coming off a down year where he gutted out a season on a totally bum knee. Guy puts his physical health on the line for the team and GM goes and drafts his replacement. It was an arrogant, dumbass move by the GM. So now you have a situation where Rogers wants to be the highest paid player or the GM fired. GM fucked up bad and is going to pay one way or the other.
Rodgers and his mvp seasons and AFC title games aren’t worth the headache. That is nonsensical, I’d swap for that in a heart beat.
Swap what? Eli? Rodgers is lucky to have one Super Bowl. If the Giants don’t implode against the Eagles that year, GB doesn’t even make the playoffs. As for his MVPs, I personally couldn’t care less about those as a fan of a team. They’re nice but they have done nothing towards actually winning Super Bowls. The guy has and will only care about himself. That’s why he’ll refuse to consistently hand the ball off in big games/situations and that’s why his success has not translated over to the playoffs like you think an “all time great” would. Again, selfish and overrated player who is a huge crybaby. Oh and by the way, he doesn’t have any AFC championships.
You are the one crying. And I said I’d swap for Rodgers right now, never said anything about Eli and pre 2021 season.
And he’s actually had a ton of playoff success. Look at his HoF peers, other than Brady the titles aren’t numerous. Peyton had 2, Brees had 1, Wilson has 1. They all suck too? Who are all these QBs that have been better in the playoffs?
Shows a complete lack of awareness and understanding of the Bulls situation at the time to bash Krause. He was a very good executive.
He did assemble those Bulls teams outside MJ, which is a big deal, Haha. Krause's problem is that he wanted more credit than he deserved & his ego was out of control.
Sure, but Krause got hosed in the documentary. Everyone knew Phil Jackson wanted out. None of those players were taking pay cuts to stay.
Oh by the way, Jordan & Jackson both have failed miserably as executives. Just wish they would show a bit more appreciation.
is Rogers LOVES Jeopardy!! He has a good chance to be the new permanent host, apparently he did great in his guest stint. He would have to pull the trigger now for that gig I would think. I can see him going that route to start his after football career, if so good for him!
Rodgers and his mvp seasons and AFC title games aren’t worth the headache. That is nonsensical, I’d swap for that in a heart beat.
Swap what? Eli? Rodgers is lucky to have one Super Bowl. If the Giants don’t implode against the Eagles that year, GB doesn’t even make the playoffs. As for his MVPs, I personally couldn’t care less about those as a fan of a team. They’re nice but they have done nothing towards actually winning Super Bowls. The guy has and will only care about himself. That’s why he’ll refuse to consistently hand the ball off in big games/situations and that’s why his success has not translated over to the playoffs like you think an “all time great” would. Again, selfish and overrated player who is a huge crybaby. Oh and by the way, he doesn’t have any AFC championships.
You are the one crying. And I said I’d swap for Rodgers right now, never said anything about Eli and pre 2021 season.
And he’s actually had a ton of playoff success. Look at his HoF peers, other than Brady the titles aren’t numerous. Peyton had 2, Brees had 1, Wilson has 1. They all suck too? Who are all these QBs that have been better in the playoffs?
Wow. You’re a genius. You’d swap a very good NFL QB for a QB that can hardly throw for 3,000 yards? I’ll not saying Rodgers is a bad QB, he’s just highly overrated and a whiny little girl.
Rodgers and his mvp seasons and AFC title games aren’t worth the headache. That is nonsensical, I’d swap for that in a heart beat.
Swap what? Eli? Rodgers is lucky to have one Super Bowl. If the Giants don’t implode against the Eagles that year, GB doesn’t even make the playoffs. As for his MVPs, I personally couldn’t care less about those as a fan of a team. They’re nice but they have done nothing towards actually winning Super Bowls. The guy has and will only care about himself. That’s why he’ll refuse to consistently hand the ball off in big games/situations and that’s why his success has not translated over to the playoffs like you think an “all time great” would. Again, selfish and overrated player who is a huge crybaby. Oh and by the way, he doesn’t have any AFC championships.
Rodgers and his mvp seasons and AFC title games aren’t worth the headache. That is nonsensical, I’d swap for that in a heart beat.
Swap what? Eli? Rodgers is lucky to have one Super Bowl. If the Giants don’t implode against the Eagles that year, GB doesn’t even make the playoffs. As for his MVPs, I personally couldn’t care less about those as a fan of a team. They’re nice but they have done nothing towards actually winning Super Bowls. The guy has and will only care about himself. That’s why he’ll refuse to consistently hand the ball off in big games/situations and that’s why his success has not translated over to the playoffs like you think an “all time great” would. Again, selfish and overrated player who is a huge crybaby. Oh and by the way, he doesn’t have any AFC championships.
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You should all go talk to Packers fans about how he’ll be portrayed when this all goes down. People want to sit there and compare this baby to Tom Brady. It’s laughable. If he was so great he’d have a lot more than 1 Super Bowl under his belt.
You said he should do better in the playoffs and I gave you examples of his peers that all have roughly the same hardware, all HoFers. Only his numbers compared to theirs in the playoffs is so much better it isn’t close.
So I’ll ask again, how is he overrated? Or you can admit you don’t like him and move on because the rest is so off base it can’t be taken seriously.
going on than what most are saying here.
1- If you want to get traded holding out isn't enough and it will cost you money in fines.
2- If a quid pro quo situation is going on then Rodgers threatens retirement to take the "bad guy" role for GB Management to find a way to trade him and not be hated by the fanbase.
3- This is not unprecedented and Carson Palmer retired and unretired later to be traded to the Raiders.
I have zero idea if these rumors are true but I don't think Rodgers is effing around about what he wants. For all the hatred here there would be many teams lining up to acquire Rodgers.
But I give Rodgers and his agent kudos for ensuring he is in the news every week since the Super Bowl ended.
And this is relevant why? I don’t think Rodgers gets paid based off mentions in articles and tv. Not sure why this is even a point to be made. He’s mentioned because he wants a trade and the packers don’t want to deal him. It’s that simple. If he does retire it’ll force the pack to trade him. Rather get assets then just let a guy walk away and get nothing for him. That’s why he’s retiring. It’s common sense.
Rodgers in a way is showing why the Packers drafted Love.
Whether Rodgers is right or wrong (I’m on the fence, the Packers didn’t have a roster issue, they had a decision making issue) — he’s mercurial guy.
Rodgers clearly does what he wants always. If they don’t draft Love/quality QB, and Rodgers decided to retire, you think he’s giving the GM a year to plan?
Ask packer fans?? Packer fans are fucking DUMB. These same mouth breathers were booing rodgers before he started his first game because poor poor Brett was victimized by the packer front office.
he’s relatively quiet on social media and for the most part keeps to himself. The comment above about staying in the news is a heads rather, he’s in the news because his future in the league is in question - blame ESPN and people on Twitter for continuing to talk about it.
Rodgers and his mvp seasons and AFC title games aren’t worth the headache. That is nonsensical, I’d swap for that in a heart beat.
Swap what? Eli? Rodgers is lucky to have one Super Bowl. If the Giants don’t implode against the Eagles that year, GB doesn’t even make the playoffs. As for his MVPs, I personally couldn’t care less about those as a fan of a team. They’re nice but they have done nothing towards actually winning Super Bowls. The guy has and will only care about himself. That’s why he’ll refuse to consistently hand the ball off in big games/situations and that’s why his success has not translated over to the playoffs like you think an “all time great” would. Again, selfish and overrated player who is a huge crybaby. Oh and by the way, he doesn’t have any AFC championships.
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You should all go talk to Packers fans about how he’ll be portrayed when this all goes down. People want to sit there and compare this baby to Tom Brady. It’s laughable. If he was so great he’d have a lot more than 1 Super Bowl under his belt.
Rodgers in a way is showing why the Packers drafted Love.
Whether Rodgers is right or wrong (I’m on the fence, the Packers didn’t have a roster issue, they had a decision making issue) — he’s mercurial guy.
Rodgers clearly does what he wants always. If they don’t draft Love/quality QB, and Rodgers decided to retire, you think he’s giving the GM a year to plan?
So he’s just going to retire out of the blue? QBs don’t do that and for the most part are forced out the door. Not to mention they generally give their temperature on coming back, so you have an idea when they start to think about it ( which is almost always when their performance isn’t there). So yes the GM would get plenty of warning.
Sean, the ESPN doc was a love fest for MJ. Of course Krause was going to get shredded in it because Jordan hated Krause. The thing that surprised me was his putting down of Scottie all too often. That apparently really pissed Pippen off too, which I can't I blame him.
So he’s just going to retire out of the blue? QBs don’t do that and for the most part are forced out the door. Not to mention they generally give their temperature on coming back, so you have an idea when they start to think about it ( which is almost always when their performance isn’t there). So yes the GM would get plenty of warning.
I think Rodgers is a capricious and selfish guy and wouldn’t bat a lash at retiring after a season if that’s what he wanted in the moment.
I think he’s the 2nd best quarterback this century, and easily the most physically gifted. I love his play. But I don’t think he gives a shit about anyone but himself.
not trading Rodgers to Denver a few months ago. While there is really no way to get any equal value trading an all-time great, Denver has a lot of proven assets on both sides of the ball that would have helped the Packers from day one.
I have no idea what Rodgers has up his sleeve right now. I could see him reporting or retiring. From all accounts, he's very obstinate.
Personally, I hope he plays because he's an absolute virtuoso on the field playing QB. One of the best talents I have ever seen at the position. He's Marino with mobility.
I just hope he's a Packer this fall so he can beat Chicago twice. That's all.
I'm still in the 'I'll believe it when I see it' camp in terms of him hanging it up. He'd be leaving a ton of real cheddar on the table. But, as mentioned, he seems to be one obstinate individual.
So he’s just going to retire out of the blue? QBs don’t do that and for the most part are forced out the door. Not to mention they generally give their temperature on coming back, so you have an idea when they start to think about it ( which is almost always when their performance isn’t there). So yes the GM would get plenty of warning.
I think Rodgers is a capricious and selfish guy and wouldn’t bat a lash at retiring after a season if that’s what he wanted in the moment.
I think he’s the 2nd best quarterback this century, and easily the most physically gifted. I love his play. But I don’t think he gives a shit about anyone but himself.
Wanted in the moment? Does Rogers seem that flaky to you? I think the narrative around him is already misplaced because he is an introspective, well thought out guy with opinions.
He's no more selfish and capricious than anyone else thats a QB of an NFL team. Thats pretty much all conjecture and projection on your part. The only guy that's really been accused of that by people actually around him is Ben and his predecessor Favre. Neither guy upped and retired, in fact they are holding on as long as possible because of the hubris.
You said he should do better in the playoffs and I gave you examples of his peers that all have roughly the same hardware, all HoFers. Only his numbers compared to theirs in the playoffs is so much better it isn’t close.
So I’ll ask again, how is he overrated? Or you can admit you don’t like him and move on because the rest is so off base it can’t be taken seriously.
Let me get one thing straight. I don’t think he’s a bad QB. He is a fantastic QB. My claim that he is overrated is based on the fact that people keep calling him an all time great. That is where I have an issue because I don’t think he is. Stats are great but he has basically had a great team around him for his entire career and when playoff time rolls around he is unable to win Super Bowls. This is because of his selfish style of play in my opinion. Go look at how many times Rodgers will hand the ball off on goal line plays. It will show you the level of selfish that he is. He is a me first guy and I feel like everyone knows that.
So many on this board are brainwashed watching Tom Brady win so many Super Bowls. Yet very few others win more than one. It ain’t easy...at all.
And Rodgers hasn’t had a great team around him all the time. He is the primary reason they seem to strong so often. It’s him.
Finally, he may be a selfish person, but he certainly isn’t on the football field. Whomever GB puts out there, Rodgers will find that player for touchdowns.
You said he should do better in the playoffs and I gave you examples of his peers that all have roughly the same hardware, all HoFers. Only his numbers compared to theirs in the playoffs is so much better it isn’t close.
So I’ll ask again, how is he overrated? Or you can admit you don’t like him and move on because the rest is so off base it can’t be taken seriously.
Let me get one thing straight. I don’t think he’s a bad QB. He is a fantastic QB. My claim that he is overrated is based on the fact that people keep calling him an all time great. That is where I have an issue because I don’t think he is. Stats are great but he has basically had a great team around him for his entire career and when playoff time rolls around he is unable to win Super Bowls. This is because of his selfish style of play in my opinion. Go look at how many times Rodgers will hand the ball off on goal line plays. It will show you the level of selfish that he is. He is a me first guy and I feel like everyone knows that.
So who’s an all time great above him outside of Brady? I listed everyone, and he’s better than all of them and on par with Peyton IMO.
Absolutely false about him always having a good team. Go look up their defensive performance, some really bad defenses over the years including this year when his secondary looked like it never played the game before. As for their offense I’d argue he’s done more with less than anyone in the history of the game. Compare his supporting casts to Brees and Peyton, just not even close.
Let me get one thing straight. I don’t think he’s a bad QB. He is a fantastic QB. My claim that he is overrated is based on the fact that people keep calling him an all time great. That is where I have an issue because I don’t think he is. Stats are great but he has basically had a great team around him for his entire career and when playoff time rolls around he is unable to win Super Bowls. This is because of his selfish style of play in my opinion. Go look at how many times Rodgers will hand the ball off on goal line plays. It will show you the level of selfish that he is. He is a me first guy and I feel like everyone knows that.
Just curious - do you consider Dan Marino an all-time great? Hopefully you do - because he is - and can start looking at Rodgers through that same lens.
I have absolutely no idea how you conclude Rodgers is selfish. Your goal line example makes little sense to me.
I think Rodgers is a capricious and selfish guy and wouldn’t bat a lash at retiring after a season if that’s what he wanted in the moment.
I think he’s the 2nd best quarterback this century, and easily the most physically gifted. I love his play. But I don’t think he gives a shit about anyone but himself.
Wanted in the moment? Does Rogers seem that flaky to you? I think the narrative around him is already misplaced because he is an introspective, well thought out guy with opinions.
He's no more selfish and capricious than anyone else thats a QB of an NFL team. Thats pretty much all conjecture and projection on your part. The only guy that's really been accused of that by people actually around him is Ben and his predecessor Favre. Neither guy upped and retired, in fact they are holding on as long as possible because of the hubris.
Of course it's conjecture, that's why I offered it as an opinion.
Things we know:
- He got his feelings hurt he wasn't consulted, as said to ESPN
Things reported:
- He's threatening to take his toys and go home
- He was offered a lucrative extension as an olive branch and refused it
- Many people with a semblance of influence in his life, he ends up in conflict with (his family, his former coach, his current GM)
He might be introspective and thoughtful, he also seems stubborn, selfish, and immature.
Rodgers retiring, if it happens, seems well BAD for NYG's
Why?
Bears can now win two against the Packers! We have their #1 pick and Rodgers is the big difference maker between them.
Personally, I wonder whether GreenBay should just let him retire and then trade him as soon as a #1 QB goes down.
From all I've read/heard about Rodgers...he has a long memory. I believe he didn't talk to or-for all I know-still isn't talking to some members of his immediate family for reasons unbeknownst to me.
Who really knows what kind of guy he is off the field? Who really gives a shit? I hope no one here is under the illusion that all the NY Giants are good guys to know off the field. Some? Sure. But just as surely there’s Gmen that are “douchey”.
As far as being a great QB1, I mean, how is this even debatable? Oh yeah…it’s not.
Anyway, Gettlemen ought to make a trade for AR. Rodgers on this team and we’re odd on favorites to play the Chiefs in the Supe. Do it now Getty! Make the trade!
If you go unit by unit — the two areas the Packers have the clear advantage are QB and OL.
Both defenses have a good chance to be top 3rd in the NFL.
Skill position wise, all things equal, I think the Giants are right there. The Giants need to prove it of course, with so much youth, new talent etc.
I think a player like Rodgers unlocks so much potential on this team. I think he would exploit talent in the current roster Jones is not capable of doing.
1) If Rodgers sits out / retires, does it make it easier for the Giants to make the playoffs and
2) Packers at Bears Oct 17th and Bears at Packers Dec 12th; does Rodgers play in one or both of these games, giving the Bears more losses and a higher / better 1st round draft pick in 2022 for the Giants.
Rodgers is an outstanding QB with an odd / difficult personality IMHO.
not trading Rodgers to Denver a few months ago. While there is really no way to get any equal value trading an all-time great, Denver has a lot of proven assets on both sides of the ball that would have helped the Packers from day one.
I have no idea what Rodgers has up his sleeve right now. I could see him reporting or retiring. From all accounts, he's very obstinate.
Personally, I hope he plays because he's an absolute virtuoso on the field playing QB. One of the best talents I have ever seen at the position. He's Marino with mobility.
We at least need him to play the 2 Bears games, especially since it seems Fields is showing a pulse in practice.
If you go unit by unit — the two areas the Packers have the clear advantage are QB and OL.
Both defenses have a good chance to be top 3rd in the NFL.
Skill position wise, all things equal, I think the Giants are right there. The Giants need to prove it of course, with so much youth, new talent etc.
I think a player like Rodgers unlocks so much potential on this team. I think he would exploit talent in the current roster Jones is not capable of doing.
I roughly see it the same way (I'd give GB the edge on skill players but that might be due to Rodgers). I'm concerned the OL is a non-starter for a contender.
I do agree that acquiring Rodgers vaults the team up to a contender, though.
"at least one team that has interest" in Aaron Rodgers believes he wants $90 million guaranteed over two years. How much money does Aaron Rodgers want? (A lot of it) - ( New Window )
Sounds about right. At least for starting the negotiations and then maybe Rodgers comes down a bit.
money was a big part of his unhappiness. You have to give up significant draft capital and then pay him 45 million per year. No thanks.
People seem to focus on a lot of his negatives as a individual. He also has done a lot of good things with charity. Also donated 1 million to businesses in his hometown to assist with getting through the pandemic. Not sure how people make definitive statements on someone without actually knowing them.
Is so full of it, just constantly wrong with dumb reports. How can he write this with a straight face?
"If Denver adds Rodgers, expectations for the Broncos would skyrocket, perhaps unreasonably. There’s a good chance Rodgers may not instantly make the Broncos dramatically better than they’ll otherwise be."
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Ah, so it is about the money! Which is believable(it is always about money). But you are still denying he consistently said the Packers did not give him enough weapons and most people figured it was a dig on them drafting Love instead of a WR. He kind of meekly later said Love was a nice kid...
We had a big discussion about the fact that they lost to TB because his LT was injured and he got chased by JPP and Shaq Barrett all game, not that he had insufficient weapons as he claimed.
It’s not about even being the highest paid player though, at least it wasn’t before. It is now though. It was about the fact that he signed what he imagined a good faith contract with the Packers so they could backload the deal more. Instead, they can pull the rug out from him at any moment. Nobody likes that type of insecurity in their job, let alone the best in the world at what they do . So in that sense it was a smack in the face twice. You think Rogers saw the Packers drafting a QB while he was still at top of his game?
He was 37/38 when Love was drafted - not like he was 32. Yes he is still probably the best QB in the NFL, right now, maybe #2 to Mahomes. He is getting $37 mill this year and $39 next year. Yes a lot is the bonus he got when he signed (about $14 mill per). How can you blame the Packers for worrying about a QB that will be 40 when his contract expires? I do see both sides, though. It is the tight rope each team (and player walks).
Because age is a meaningless number to QBs in today’s NFL? And the signs of decline are apparent before they manifest into not being an NFL starter anymore? Rogers was also just coming off a down year where he gutted out a season on a totally bum knee. Guy puts his physical health on the line for the team and GM goes and drafts his replacement. It was an arrogant, dumbass move by the GM. So now you have a situation where Rogers wants to be the highest paid player or the GM fired. GM fucked up bad and is going to pay one way or the other.
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Rodgers and his mvp seasons and AFC title games aren’t worth the headache. That is nonsensical, I’d swap for that in a heart beat.
Swap what? Eli? Rodgers is lucky to have one Super Bowl. If the Giants don’t implode against the Eagles that year, GB doesn’t even make the playoffs. As for his MVPs, I personally couldn’t care less about those as a fan of a team. They’re nice but they have done nothing towards actually winning Super Bowls. The guy has and will only care about himself. That’s why he’ll refuse to consistently hand the ball off in big games/situations and that’s why his success has not translated over to the playoffs like you think an “all time great” would. Again, selfish and overrated player who is a huge crybaby. Oh and by the way, he doesn’t have any AFC championships.
You are the one crying. And I said I’d swap for Rodgers right now, never said anything about Eli and pre 2021 season.
And he’s actually had a ton of playoff success. Look at his HoF peers, other than Brady the titles aren’t numerous. Peyton had 2, Brees had 1, Wilson has 1. They all suck too? Who are all these QBs that have been better in the playoffs?
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Shows a complete lack of awareness and understanding of the Bulls situation at the time to bash Krause. He was a very good executive.
He did assemble those Bulls teams outside MJ, which is a big deal, Haha. Krause's problem is that he wanted more credit than he deserved & his ego was out of control.
Sure, but Krause got hosed in the documentary. Everyone knew Phil Jackson wanted out. None of those players were taking pay cuts to stay.
Oh by the way, Jordan & Jackson both have failed miserably as executives. Just wish they would show a bit more appreciation.
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Rodgers and his mvp seasons and AFC title games aren’t worth the headache. That is nonsensical, I’d swap for that in a heart beat.
Swap what? Eli? Rodgers is lucky to have one Super Bowl. If the Giants don’t implode against the Eagles that year, GB doesn’t even make the playoffs. As for his MVPs, I personally couldn’t care less about those as a fan of a team. They’re nice but they have done nothing towards actually winning Super Bowls. The guy has and will only care about himself. That’s why he’ll refuse to consistently hand the ball off in big games/situations and that’s why his success has not translated over to the playoffs like you think an “all time great” would. Again, selfish and overrated player who is a huge crybaby. Oh and by the way, he doesn’t have any AFC championships.
You are the one crying. And I said I’d swap for Rodgers right now, never said anything about Eli and pre 2021 season.
And he’s actually had a ton of playoff success. Look at his HoF peers, other than Brady the titles aren’t numerous. Peyton had 2, Brees had 1, Wilson has 1. They all suck too? Who are all these QBs that have been better in the playoffs?
Wow. You’re a genius. You’d swap a very good NFL QB for a QB that can hardly throw for 3,000 yards? I’ll not saying Rodgers is a bad QB, he’s just highly overrated and a whiny little girl.
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Rodgers and his mvp seasons and AFC title games aren’t worth the headache. That is nonsensical, I’d swap for that in a heart beat.
Swap what? Eli? Rodgers is lucky to have one Super Bowl. If the Giants don’t implode against the Eagles that year, GB doesn’t even make the playoffs. As for his MVPs, I personally couldn’t care less about those as a fan of a team. They’re nice but they have done nothing towards actually winning Super Bowls. The guy has and will only care about himself. That’s why he’ll refuse to consistently hand the ball off in big games/situations and that’s why his success has not translated over to the playoffs like you think an “all time great” would. Again, selfish and overrated player who is a huge crybaby. Oh and by the way, he doesn’t have any AFC championships.
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Rodgers and his mvp seasons and AFC title games aren’t worth the headache. That is nonsensical, I’d swap for that in a heart beat.
Swap what? Eli? Rodgers is lucky to have one Super Bowl. If the Giants don’t implode against the Eagles that year, GB doesn’t even make the playoffs. As for his MVPs, I personally couldn’t care less about those as a fan of a team. They’re nice but they have done nothing towards actually winning Super Bowls. The guy has and will only care about himself. That’s why he’ll refuse to consistently hand the ball off in big games/situations and that’s why his success has not translated over to the playoffs like you think an “all time great” would. Again, selfish and overrated player who is a huge crybaby. Oh and by the way, he doesn’t have any AFC championships.
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You should all go talk to Packers fans about how he’ll be portrayed when this all goes down. People want to sit there and compare this baby to Tom Brady. It’s laughable. If he was so great he’d have a lot more than 1 Super Bowl under his belt.
So I’ll ask again, how is he overrated? Or you can admit you don’t like him and move on because the rest is so off base it can’t be taken seriously.
1- If you want to get traded holding out isn't enough and it will cost you money in fines.
2- If a quid pro quo situation is going on then Rodgers threatens retirement to take the "bad guy" role for GB Management to find a way to trade him and not be hated by the fanbase.
3- This is not unprecedented and Carson Palmer retired and unretired later to be traded to the Raiders.
I have zero idea if these rumors are true but I don't think Rodgers is effing around about what he wants. For all the hatred here there would be many teams lining up to acquire Rodgers.
And this is relevant why? I don’t think Rodgers gets paid based off mentions in articles and tv. Not sure why this is even a point to be made. He’s mentioned because he wants a trade and the packers don’t want to deal him. It’s that simple. If he does retire it’ll force the pack to trade him. Rather get assets then just let a guy walk away and get nothing for him. That’s why he’s retiring. It’s common sense.
Whether Rodgers is right or wrong (I’m on the fence, the Packers didn’t have a roster issue, they had a decision making issue) — he’s mercurial guy.
Rodgers clearly does what he wants always. If they don’t draft Love/quality QB, and Rodgers decided to retire, you think he’s giving the GM a year to plan?
Rodgers is an all time great.
And follow the money.
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Rodgers and his mvp seasons and AFC title games aren’t worth the headache. That is nonsensical, I’d swap for that in a heart beat.
Swap what? Eli? Rodgers is lucky to have one Super Bowl. If the Giants don’t implode against the Eagles that year, GB doesn’t even make the playoffs. As for his MVPs, I personally couldn’t care less about those as a fan of a team. They’re nice but they have done nothing towards actually winning Super Bowls. The guy has and will only care about himself. That’s why he’ll refuse to consistently hand the ball off in big games/situations and that’s why his success has not translated over to the playoffs like you think an “all time great” would. Again, selfish and overrated player who is a huge crybaby. Oh and by the way, he doesn’t have any AFC championships.
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You should all go talk to Packers fans about how he’ll be portrayed when this all goes down. People want to sit there and compare this baby to Tom Brady. It’s laughable. If he was so great he’d have a lot more than 1 Super Bowl under his belt.
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Whether Rodgers is right or wrong (I’m on the fence, the Packers didn’t have a roster issue, they had a decision making issue) — he’s mercurial guy.
Rodgers clearly does what he wants always. If they don’t draft Love/quality QB, and Rodgers decided to retire, you think he’s giving the GM a year to plan?
So he’s just going to retire out of the blue? QBs don’t do that and for the most part are forced out the door. Not to mention they generally give their temperature on coming back, so you have an idea when they start to think about it ( which is almost always when their performance isn’t there). So yes the GM would get plenty of warning.
I think Rodgers is a capricious and selfish guy and wouldn’t bat a lash at retiring after a season if that’s what he wanted in the moment.
I think he’s the 2nd best quarterback this century, and easily the most physically gifted. I love his play. But I don’t think he gives a shit about anyone but himself.
I have no idea what Rodgers has up his sleeve right now. I could see him reporting or retiring. From all accounts, he's very obstinate.
Personally, I hope he plays because he's an absolute virtuoso on the field playing QB. One of the best talents I have ever seen at the position. He's Marino with mobility.
I'm still in the 'I'll believe it when I see it' camp in terms of him hanging it up. He'd be leaving a ton of real cheddar on the table. But, as mentioned, he seems to be one obstinate individual.
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So he’s just going to retire out of the blue? QBs don’t do that and for the most part are forced out the door. Not to mention they generally give their temperature on coming back, so you have an idea when they start to think about it ( which is almost always when their performance isn’t there). So yes the GM would get plenty of warning.
I think Rodgers is a capricious and selfish guy and wouldn’t bat a lash at retiring after a season if that’s what he wanted in the moment.
I think he’s the 2nd best quarterback this century, and easily the most physically gifted. I love his play. But I don’t think he gives a shit about anyone but himself.
Wanted in the moment? Does Rogers seem that flaky to you? I think the narrative around him is already misplaced because he is an introspective, well thought out guy with opinions.
He's no more selfish and capricious than anyone else thats a QB of an NFL team. Thats pretty much all conjecture and projection on your part. The only guy that's really been accused of that by people actually around him is Ben and his predecessor Favre. Neither guy upped and retired, in fact they are holding on as long as possible because of the hubris.
So I’ll ask again, how is he overrated? Or you can admit you don’t like him and move on because the rest is so off base it can’t be taken seriously.
Let me get one thing straight. I don’t think he’s a bad QB. He is a fantastic QB. My claim that he is overrated is based on the fact that people keep calling him an all time great. That is where I have an issue because I don’t think he is. Stats are great but he has basically had a great team around him for his entire career and when playoff time rolls around he is unable to win Super Bowls. This is because of his selfish style of play in my opinion. Go look at how many times Rodgers will hand the ball off on goal line plays. It will show you the level of selfish that he is. He is a me first guy and I feel like everyone knows that.
And Rodgers hasn’t had a great team around him all the time. He is the primary reason they seem to strong so often. It’s him.
Finally, he may be a selfish person, but he certainly isn’t on the football field. Whomever GB puts out there, Rodgers will find that player for touchdowns.
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You said he should do better in the playoffs and I gave you examples of his peers that all have roughly the same hardware, all HoFers. Only his numbers compared to theirs in the playoffs is so much better it isn’t close.
So I’ll ask again, how is he overrated? Or you can admit you don’t like him and move on because the rest is so off base it can’t be taken seriously.
Let me get one thing straight. I don’t think he’s a bad QB. He is a fantastic QB. My claim that he is overrated is based on the fact that people keep calling him an all time great. That is where I have an issue because I don’t think he is. Stats are great but he has basically had a great team around him for his entire career and when playoff time rolls around he is unable to win Super Bowls. This is because of his selfish style of play in my opinion. Go look at how many times Rodgers will hand the ball off on goal line plays. It will show you the level of selfish that he is. He is a me first guy and I feel like everyone knows that.
So who’s an all time great above him outside of Brady? I listed everyone, and he’s better than all of them and on par with Peyton IMO.
Absolutely false about him always having a good team. Go look up their defensive performance, some really bad defenses over the years including this year when his secondary looked like it never played the game before. As for their offense I’d argue he’s done more with less than anyone in the history of the game. Compare his supporting casts to Brees and Peyton, just not even close.
Let me get one thing straight. I don’t think he’s a bad QB. He is a fantastic QB. My claim that he is overrated is based on the fact that people keep calling him an all time great. That is where I have an issue because I don’t think he is. Stats are great but he has basically had a great team around him for his entire career and when playoff time rolls around he is unable to win Super Bowls. This is because of his selfish style of play in my opinion. Go look at how many times Rodgers will hand the ball off on goal line plays. It will show you the level of selfish that he is. He is a me first guy and I feel like everyone knows that.
Just curious - do you consider Dan Marino an all-time great? Hopefully you do - because he is - and can start looking at Rodgers through that same lens.
I have absolutely no idea how you conclude Rodgers is selfish. Your goal line example makes little sense to me.
I think he’s the 2nd best quarterback this century, and easily the most physically gifted. I love his play. But I don’t think he gives a shit about anyone but himself.
Wanted in the moment? Does Rogers seem that flaky to you? I think the narrative around him is already misplaced because he is an introspective, well thought out guy with opinions.
He's no more selfish and capricious than anyone else thats a QB of an NFL team. Thats pretty much all conjecture and projection on your part. The only guy that's really been accused of that by people actually around him is Ben and his predecessor Favre. Neither guy upped and retired, in fact they are holding on as long as possible because of the hubris.
Of course it's conjecture, that's why I offered it as an opinion.
Things we know:
- He got his feelings hurt he wasn't consulted, as said to ESPN
Things reported:
- He's threatening to take his toys and go home
- He was offered a lucrative extension as an olive branch and refused it
- Many people with a semblance of influence in his life, he ends up in conflict with (his family, his former coach, his current GM)
He might be introspective and thoughtful, he also seems stubborn, selfish, and immature.
Bears can now win two against the Packers! We have their #1 pick and Rodgers is the big difference maker between them.
Personally, I wonder whether GreenBay should just let him retire and then trade him as soon as a #1 QB goes down.
As far as being a great QB1, I mean, how is this even debatable? Oh yeah…it’s not.
Anyway, Gettlemen ought to make a trade for AR. Rodgers on this team and we’re odd on favorites to play the Chiefs in the Supe. Do it now Getty! Make the trade!
The Giants would be instant Super Bowl contenders.
The Giants would be instant Super Bowl contenders.
I'm curious, how do you compare the non-QB rosters of NYG vs. GB?
Both defenses have a good chance to be top 3rd in the NFL.
Skill position wise, all things equal, I think the Giants are right there. The Giants need to prove it of course, with so much youth, new talent etc.
I think a player like Rodgers unlocks so much potential on this team. I think he would exploit talent in the current roster Jones is not capable of doing.
2) Packers at Bears Oct 17th and Bears at Packers Dec 12th; does Rodgers play in one or both of these games, giving the Bears more losses and a higher / better 1st round draft pick in 2022 for the Giants.
Rodgers is an outstanding QB with an odd / difficult personality IMHO.
I have no idea what Rodgers has up his sleeve right now. I could see him reporting or retiring. From all accounts, he's very obstinate.
Personally, I hope he plays because he's an absolute virtuoso on the field playing QB. One of the best talents I have ever seen at the position. He's Marino with mobility.
We at least need him to play the 2 Bears games, especially since it seems Fields is showing a pulse in practice.
Both defenses have a good chance to be top 3rd in the NFL.
Skill position wise, all things equal, I think the Giants are right there. The Giants need to prove it of course, with so much youth, new talent etc.
I think a player like Rodgers unlocks so much potential on this team. I think he would exploit talent in the current roster Jones is not capable of doing.
I roughly see it the same way (I'd give GB the edge on skill players but that might be due to Rodgers). I'm concerned the OL is a non-starter for a contender.
I do agree that acquiring Rodgers vaults the team up to a contender, though.
How much money does Aaron Rodgers want? (A lot of it) - ( New Window )
Sounds about right. At least for starting the negotiations and then maybe Rodgers comes down a bit.
But only if he gets some say in the roster :-)
People seem to focus on a lot of his negatives as a individual. He also has done a lot of good things with charity. Also donated 1 million to businesses in his hometown to assist with getting through the pandemic. Not sure how people make definitive statements on someone without actually knowing them.
The Giants would be instant Super Bowl contenders.
I would do this. I just don’t want to spill into future years first rounders.
Hope its true. The league is better when he's playing, and GB is better when hes playing. Operation 0-17 Bears in full effect!
"If Denver adds Rodgers, expectations for the Broncos would skyrocket, perhaps unreasonably. There’s a good chance Rodgers may not instantly make the Broncos dramatically better than they’ll otherwise be."
That desire for drama seems to be a trend with GB QBs
We also don’t know what is even happening, so stupid and pointless sounds really childish from a guy making his money off stuff like this.