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NFT: Knicks: Beal weighing whether to request a trade

nygiants16 : 7/24/2021 11:02 am
according to Jake Fischer, says he kbows he has to make a decision before thursday
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robbieballs2003 : 7/28/2021 10:12 am : link
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I  
AcidTest : 7/28/2021 10:36 am : link
think there's just going to be a crazy number of trades.

It's looking like Murphy won't be available at #19. The question is whether the Knicks will move up to get him, and what they would have to give up to do so. I also agree that McBride likely won't be available at #32.
If that’s the trade  
Carl in CT : 7/28/2021 11:06 am : link
Knicks have to do it!
I have to say, it is pretty damn quiet.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/28/2021 1:45 pm : link
Last year nobody had any clue about the trades they made. Tomorrow is going to be fun no matter what happens.
RE: I have to say, it is pretty damn quiet.  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15315283 robbieballs2003 said:
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Last year nobody had any clue about the trades they made. Tomorrow is going to be fun no matter what happens.


listening to Marc Stein's greenroom and he made the comment that the trade talk is crazy right now and very active, does that lead to a bunch of deals? who knows but it is very active..
RE: I have to say, it is pretty damn quiet.  
Heisenberg : 7/28/2021 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15315283 robbieballs2003 said:
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Last year nobody had any clue about the trades they made. Tomorrow is going to be fun no matter what happens.


The one thing we can expect is that they will make moves. Last year's maneuvering even just around the margins was proof of that. They have picks, cap room and are ready to party.
RE: I dont know if thr cavs would do this  
TyreeHelmet : 7/28/2021 2:02 pm : link
In comment 15314803 nygiants16 said:
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Sexton 6, Love 31 and 3(7) for Rj 8, Obi 5, Knox 5, 19(2.5), 21 (2.5), 22 swap, 23 1st


I think the Cavs would definitely do that deal.
Cavs apparently turned down an offer of  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 2:14 pm : link
Shai and 6 for number 3, if true, are they fucking stupid?
At the very least, I could see us swapping 19&32 for 15.  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2021 2:24 pm : link
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Tommy Sheppard says the Wizards “definitely want to get something in the second round.” Wizards enter tomorrow’s draft without a second-round pick. They will select at No. 15 in the first round.
RE: Cavs apparently turned down an offer of  
Strahan91 : 7/28/2021 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15315337 nygiants16 said:
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Shai and 6 for number 3, if true, are they fucking stupid?

I have a hard time believing that was on the table.
shai  
hitdog42 : 7/28/2021 2:59 pm : link
was known to be on record saying ahead of draft in 18 that he did not want to play in cleveland.

lol  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2021 3:00 pm : link
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robbieballs2003 : 7/28/2021 3:00 pm : link
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Shai and 6 for number 3, if true, are they fucking stupid?


I have a hard time believing that was on the table.


I saw that deal for pick 1 but not 3.
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robbieballs2003 : 7/28/2021 3:02 pm : link
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That is hysterical.
RE: shai  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15315385 hitdog42 said:
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was known to be on record saying ahead of draft in 18 that he did not want to play in cleveland.


that couldnt be on the table though right? even if the cavs flip Shai, that is a heist
RE: lol  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 3:07 pm : link
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Morey is drunk
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DanMetroMan : 7/28/2021 3:17 pm : link
@jeremywoo has @knicks targeting Duarte and Jackson #Knicks
Love to see Jackson working with Payne  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 3:23 pm : link
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Good luck with that asking price  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 3:26 pm : link
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ESPN Sources: Sixers continue to canvass the league for Ben Simmons trades — armed with a steep asking price. Simmons and his agent, Klutch CEO Rich Paul, are in step with a move elsewhere. Draft night is always an ideal vehicle for a deal, but talks could continue into summer.
Simmons  
31southst : 7/28/2021 4:13 pm : link
I don't think that asking price is insane as an opening offer (obviously presuming you negotiate back off of it). Simmons being under contract 4 more years means there is more of a market for him as you don't need to immediately worry about resigning him.

What's more surprising to me is that Embiid's health over the long term is a question, so I would think the 76ers try to maximize their window now vs. get a huge pick trove (I understand they can then be used for a player).
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djm : 7/28/2021 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15315389 robbieballs2003 said:
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That is hysterical.


Double hysterical even.
I've officially reached my fill of draft podcasts and highlights.  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2021 4:36 pm : link
Hope we get some real news tonight or tomorrow morning.
RE: I've officially reached my fill of draft podcasts and highlights.  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15315480 bceagle05 said:
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Hope we get some real news tonight or tomorrow morning.


agreed ready for some action..
Chad Ford  
GMEN46 : 7/28/2021 5:18 pm : link
Is reporting that knicks have offered 19 and 21 to get into 11-13 range to get Duarte. Shouldn’t they wait until draft Duarte to make sure he is there at those spots
Also if they want McBride  
GMEN46 : 7/28/2021 5:19 pm : link
Bad enough could 32, knox and $5 million cash get them into the mid 20’s range or is knox a detriment at this point. Maybe it would cost dallas 2023 pick to get McBride.
RE: Chad Ford  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15315539 GMEN46 said:
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Is reporting that knicks have offered 19 and 21 to get into 11-13 range to get Duarte. Shouldn’t they wait until draft Duarte to make sure he is there at those spots


most likely a deal like that would not be done until thw pick is on the clok, unless knicks liked more than 1 or 2 players
I have no idea what the Knicks are going to do draft wise  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 5:47 pm : link
at the beginning i never thought they would make all 3 picks, now i wouldnt be shocked at all...

I do think their goal in free agency is to add a vet starting point and a vet starting shooting gaurd..

I could see them going all out for Lowry
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Carl in CT : 7/28/2021 5:48 pm : link
Picks
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nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 5:51 pm : link
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Picks


yeah i think that 58th pick will be a stash guy
RE: Chad Ford  
Strahan91 : 7/28/2021 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15315539 GMEN46 said:
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Is reporting that knicks have offered 19 and 21 to get into 11-13 range to get Duarte. Shouldn’t they wait until draft Duarte to make sure he is there at those spots

Also said that it's not enough so they'd have to include more. Wonder how much more?

I think it's a move that would probably be agreed upon pending his availability at that pick
If 19/21 isn’t good enough to get us to 13-14 range  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2021 6:15 pm : link
you might as well just stay put. Duarte or Murphy will not make or break our franchise - no need to just toss away Obi for someone even older. McBride/Cooper/Butler/Jackson/Garuba/Grimes/etc. will all help us.
Trying for #11  
Carl in CT : 7/28/2021 7:10 pm : link
Now.
RE: Trying for #11  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 7:12 pm : link
In comment 15315626 Carl in CT said:
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Now.


any traction?
RE: I have no idea what the Knicks are going to do draft wise  
larryflower37 : 7/28/2021 7:13 pm : link
In comment 15315568 nygiants16 said:
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at the beginning i never thought they would make all 3 picks, now i wouldnt be shocked at all...

I do think their goal in free agency is to add a vet starting point and a vet starting shooting gaurd..

I could see them going all out for Lowry


I think a 3-D wing is the goal in the draft early and a center late it sounds like PG is the goal in FA.
So Lowery, Ball, or maybe you trade next year's 2 first for Sexton after the draft and the dust settles on Cavs pick.
The  
AcidTest : 7/28/2021 7:53 pm : link
Knicks sound like a team that is desperate. Don't shop hungry. The talent level between 11 and 19 doesn't justify trading 19, 21, and a really good player to move up. My understanding is GS already said no to 19 and 21 for 14.
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nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15315680 AcidTest said:
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Knicks sound like a team that is desperate. Don't shop hungry. The talent level between 11 and 19 doesn't justify trading 19, 21, and a really good player to move up. My understanding is GS already said no to 19 and 21 for 14.


Golden state said no because they dont want more picks, they want veterans
Hopefully they take some money back  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2021 8:00 pm : link
instead of throwing in extra assets.
Any idea who they are targeting?  
five5 : 7/28/2021 8:08 pm : link
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I’m not sure why that’s a bad asking price for Simmons  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/28/2021 8:27 pm : link
considering that the player in return isn’t exactly going to be a star. Any of Murray, Johnson, Vassel, or Walker isn’t moving the needle much for Philly.
RE: Any idea who they are targeting?  
robbieballs2003 : 7/28/2021 8:35 pm : link
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Everyone is assuming Duarte. The Warriors and another team like him. Maybe picks 14 and 15? That's why they are going for 11 to get above them. But the rumor is 19 and 21 for 11 is not enough.

I agree. Stay put. There will be some good players there.
According to Berman  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2021 9:01 pm : link
Knicks eyeing Mitchell or Duarte in a trade up, habe talked to Pacers at 13 but Pacers want Mitchell as well, so if hr is gone they may be more willing to trade down..
Trading two firsts for Duarte would be insane.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/28/2021 9:13 pm : link
Get a young big and if you don’t like the wings who’re left, try to trade for a first in next year’s draft.
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nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 8:27 am : link
Vildoza and possible knicks pick garuba playing on nbcsn
RE: Trading two firsts for Duarte would be insane.  
Stu11 : 7/29/2021 8:41 am : link
In comment 15315787 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Get a young big and if you don’t like the wings who’re left, try to trade for a first in next year’s draft.

Agreed no way I'd burn a 1st trading up for Duarte or Murphy. Moving from 19 to 13 or 14 isn't worth that. I'd almost rather just add in an asset and move up to 10 or so if Davion Mitchell falls the way it seems very possible right now.
I know that Thibs doesn't like to play younger players...  
Jan in DC : 7/29/2021 9:11 am : link
but at this point, having multiple promising younger players could appeal in trades.

Personally, I wouldn't mind it if they stayed where they were and picked 2 players. I think we're going to need some low cost young players to make deals or fill out the roster if we make some trades.

I know FA hasn't started, but right now we only have 8 players under contract.
Lets start a new draft thread for today  
robbieballs2003 : 7/29/2021 9:26 am : link
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AcidTest : 7/29/2021 9:29 am : link
In comment 15315682 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks sound like a team that is desperate. Don't shop hungry. The talent level between 11 and 19 doesn't justify trading 19, 21, and a really good player to move up. My understanding is GS already said no to 19 and 21 for 14.



Golden state said no because they dont want more picks, they want veterans


You're right. But it looks like the Knicks have been unable to package 19 and 21 to another team to move up.
I want no part of trading 2 first round picks and more  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2021 9:33 am : link
for a 24 year old rookie. I bet that's Thibs' impatience talking.

Just stay the course. Get two or three good players from this draft. Assets are assets.
RE: Trading two firsts for Duarte would be insane.  
AcidTest : 7/29/2021 9:33 am : link
In comment 15315787 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Get a young big and if you don’t like the wings who’re left, try to trade for a first in next year’s draft.


Agreed.
I would think the top pick in the second round would be good enough to  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 9:53 am : link
package with one of our first round picks to move up.

Duarte would be great at 19 or 21, but I wouldn't trade up for him. His ceiling is capped. If I'm trading up, I'm targeting Davion Mitchell.
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