Not sure I want to trade for him. I don't see a path to long term success when trading for a star right now.
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
Not sure I want to trade for him. I don't see a path to long term success when trading for a star right now.
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
It all deoends what you give up and how many picks and space you have left..
there is a scenario where you add Beal and still have max space to fill out roster or add a 3rd star
Now, if he wants to go to GS then that is a different situation
Not sure I want to trade for him. I don't see a path to long term success when trading for a star right now.
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
+2. I leave it to others who know more, but I assume that trading for Beal would essentially empty the cupboard.
No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
We are not adding additional picks anymore and with any luck we are not sniffing the lottery.
If you are going after Beal it's now or the deadline.
If you are able to keep RJ and Randle you go all in on a 27 yr old that just had back to back 30 pt per game season.
I would prefer Beal over Dame and I am a huge Dame fan because of his age.
Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
Leave RJ out of the deal I don't think you need it.
The Knicks have the biggest package outside of GS for Beal.
Randle,RJ,and Beal is a solid jump point with a ton of money available.
Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
obi is nothing, the only reason he is worth anything is because he was a 1st round oick last year..
Mitch is due for a pay day, you oaying him 12 to 15 million a year? Knicks were fine without him..
Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
Leave RJ out of the deal I don't think you need it.
The Knicks have the biggest package outside of GS for Beal.
Randle,RJ,and Beal is a solid jump point with a ton of money available.
if the wizards say yes without Rj then you say yes on the spot
No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Where is Obi playing? he is worth more to the Knicks in a trade than in their rotation for 15 minutes..
Love Quick that is why he is not in the offer i out before..
you willing to bet Rj becomes anymore than a borderline all star?
Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
obi is nothing, the only reason he is worth anything is because he was a 1st round oick last year..
Mitch is due for a pay day, you oaying him 12 to 15 million a year? Knicks were fine without him..
Yeah we didn't miss him at all that Hawks series when capella made us his bitch for 5 straight games. Listen he might not be here long term, but besides money we dont have much of a path to build a roster after the trade. You reach out to guys like Norm Powell and Lowry and feel strongly that you could get them to come maybe you have something. Obi is not a complete garbage throw in. You're overating Beal. He's not Lebron or Kwai. He definitely a star but you don't blow your roster up for him. Take RJ out of the deal I can see some path forward.
So the Golden State stars are pressuring management
You are dealing in absolutes. You said there is zero chance Beal enters FA. False. It isn't zero. You are also saying that Obi is garbage. You are betting against RJ who is how old? You are panicking to make an immediate move when failing to realize this shit happens multiple times a year with players wanting to be traded. How did the Knicks get to where they are now? It wasn't through trading for a star. It was being smart with your picks, taking chances on FA with high upside, and getting the players coached up. Continue the process until you are a star away and then trade. Now is not the time. It'll be Melo all over again. The timing matters.
And why sell low on Obi? Makes no sense. He showed great strides last year. And he and Randle can play at the same time but Thibs refuses to do that. I'm not against trading Obi at all. I'm against trading him when his value is so low. It's pointless.
The rumor is the Knicks will keep cap space for a max next year. They obviously feel one of these players will his FA and be an option. Stay the course. The team is young. Be patient.
RE: So the Golden State stars are pressuring management
to make a big splash - specifically Beal - and suddenly Beal is considering a trade request this week? I think we know where this one is headed….
yeah someone is telling Beal ask for a trade now
GS players don't want 2 lottery picks on that team they want another star. They need a deal by Thursday or kick one of those picks down the road.
They have the most attractive offer to another team with a disgruntled star but the clock is ticking.
RE: So the Golden State stars are pressuring management
But there's many ways to use it. At the price its gonna cost I'd much rather pursue Sexton. We'll still have plenty of capital left and he'll take up less cap room than Beal even after an extension. Listen as long as we have our own picks (and we have Dallas '23) it will always be enough to get a deal done for a star. LA only had there picks to deal for AD, the Nets only traded their picks for Harden. Let's be real no way a deal of this magnitude is coming together before Thursday any way. In the past I was dubious, but we now have good talent evaluators here and I have confidence in them making picks.
really good player but not the main guy on a championship team, not by a long shot.
I would say he is undervalued, He has no help around him and he basically carried that team last 2 years
He has been in the hunt for the scoring title for the last 2 years and he just turned 28 and has been injury-free.
He would be a great fit next to Randle and RJ.
It wouldn't be that simple and not saying it is fair on the surface but I don't think Mitch is long for this team. If we were able to get 14 we could get Murphy, at 19 we could get Jackson who'd be a Mitch replacement, and potentially Cooper (I like others but put Cooper because he's been linked to the Knicks) 21.
In comment 15312190 robbieballs2003 said:
Quote: Not sure I want to trade for him. I don't see a path to long term success when trading for a star right now. //////
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
Seems like a refrain we should be hearing from the other MSG tenant, which, alas, seems not be heeded.
on the final four playoff rosters (Bucks, Hawks, Suns and Clippers)?
Behind Giannis, Kawhi-when 100%, CP3...one could argue Booker & George. I think he's better than Trae right now. He's better than Middleton, Jrue, Ayton.
on the final four playoff rosters (Bucks, Hawks, Suns and Clippers)?
Behind Giannis, Kawhi-when 100%, CP3...one could argue Booker & George. I think he's better than Trae right now. He's better than Middleton, Jrue, Ayton.
Beal averaged 30 against Philly in the playoffs and kept them in every game.
I would put Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, ahead of Beal. Booker and CP3 on par.
Randle is a little more difficult since he melted in the playoffs.
Behind Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, Booker, CP3, Trae, Middleton.
So basically a 2nd to 3rd option.
on the final four playoff rosters (Bucks, Hawks, Suns and Clippers)?
Behind Giannis, Kawhi-when 100%, CP3...one could argue Booker & George. I think he's better than Trae right now. He's better than Middleton, Jrue, Ayton.
Beal averaged 30 against Philly in the playoffs and kept them in every game.
I would put Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, ahead of Beal. Booker and CP3 on par.
Randle is a little more difficult since he melted in the playoffs.
Behind Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, Booker, CP3, Trae, Middleton.
So basically a 2nd to 3rd option.
Yeah, not the top option, but if Beal is the 3rd best dude on a team...that team is a juggernaut. I think he'd be a real good sidekick too to the top guy.
Are in different places. We need to get more pieces via draft and continue to improve and then maybe get a star. Unless a star signs outright I don’t think we should trade away any young assets. Just my opinion.
Knicks are apparently interested in Duarte, and according to this article may trade up for him. Link - ( New Window )
I think him and Murphy are the targets if we trade up. Murphy is a deadly 3 point shooter, a 6'9" guy who can play the 2 or 3, and a really good defensive player. He's also younger than Duarte.
I know Cade is going to go #1 to Detroit, but I think Mobley might end up being the best player in this draft. The more I read, hear, watch...he's got insane upside. I have some buddies who went to SC/fans of they all to a man rave about him.
Knicks are apparently interested in Duarte, and according to this article may trade up for him. Link - ( New Window )
If he was 4 years younger he would be a top 8 prospect..
And if he shot like he did his junior year, he’d be a second round pick or undrafted. I have no problem trading the second rounder to move up and get him. Anything more is too much.
This backs up my opinion that the Knicks are extremely high on
We’d need to know what the Knicks could and would do AFTER the trade for Beal. Let’s say the Knicks traded either RJ or IQ, along with Obi and a bunch of picks. It is definitely a lot. No doubt. But what it the Knicks could still sign a guy like Ball in FA, and maybe one more expensive one year stop gap and then have room for another max next offseason, presumably after that one year stop gap move frees up. Then what? How does a roster of Ball, Beal, stop gap, Randle at PF and Mitch and center sound? Rose and IQ on the bench maybe with bucks. With a max slot available in 22? If that’s possible, would we be ok wit that? I just might be. Can’t we possibly sign Randle and go over the cap it the Knicks maneuvered a certain way?
I don’t think we should be looking at any potential blockbuster trade in a vacuum. I think it’s quite possible the Knicks can add another max after the trade and still have a max in 2022. The Knicks have a shit load of flexibility.
They could wait and take the slow game approach but if and when the star avails himself the Knicks might very well strike. I get the concerns over going all in too soon, but It might not be melo all over again simply because for one thing the Knicks have more cap room and more assets than they had back in 2011.
It’s gonna be fascinating to see what the Knicks do and what they can do.
This potential trade would do nothing long-term for the Knicks quest to try to win a title.
By the time the Knicks get another superstar - his peak is gone and he's declining.
I see a poster on here clearly stated no superstar free agents ever come available. Then in his very next post, once challenged, he then cited superstars that did become available.
This type of erratic thinking, in particular from the front office and nearly all of the media, has hampered this team's ability to ever produce a title contender in these many years.
The Knicks need to be patient - and sure as hell don't trade Barrett. His best buddy is Zion. Keep acquiring young players.
This potential trade would do nothing long-term for the Knicks quest to try to win a title.
By the time the Knicks get another superstar - his peak is gone and he's declining.
I see a poster on here clearly stated no superstar free agents ever come available. Then in his very next post, once challenged, he then cited superstars that did become available.
This type of erratic thinking, in particular from the front office and nearly all of the media, has hampered this team's ability to ever produce a title contender in these many years.
The Knicks need to be patient - and sure as hell don't trade Barrett. His best buddy is Zion. Keep acquiring young players.
I never said no superstsrs make it to free agency, i said rarely and then mentioned the rare cases because those guys dont get traded..
a guy like Beal as soon as he asks out will get traded to a place he wants to go to and will resign there...
RE: This backs up my opinion that the Knicks are extremely high on
Beal also probably helps get Kawhi, just something to note.
Why would Leonard want to play in East Coast? He left so he could go back home. His team almost got to the championship without him. Why would he leave all that?
This potential trade would do nothing long-term for the Knicks quest to try to win a title.
By the time the Knicks get another superstar - his peak is gone and he's declining.
I see a poster on here clearly stated no superstar free agents ever come available. Then in his very next post, once challenged, he then cited superstars that did become available.
This type of erratic thinking, in particular from the front office and nearly all of the media, has hampered this team's ability to ever produce a title contender in these many years.
The Knicks need to be patient - and sure as hell don't trade Barrett. His best buddy is Zion. Keep acquiring young players.
I never said no superstsrs make it to free agency, i said rarely and then mentioned the rare cases because those guys dont get traded..
a guy like Beal as soon as he asks out will get traded to a place he wants to go to and will resign there...
Okay - so why not wait for the bigtime superstar 1st? Where are you (The Knicks) going without any of them?
If your point is - they won't come/ be available - then what good was getting Beal anyway?
RE: So the Golden State stars are pressuring management
to make a big splash - specifically Beal - and suddenly Beal is considering a trade request this week? I think we know where this one is headed….
This is the trade I like. 7&14 plus others to make the salaries match for Beal. I like Beal but it’s time for a reboot, and maybe we can hit on one or both of those picks.
No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Robbie. NyGiants 16 still thinks the Melo trade in 2011 was worth it. He’s operating under the same premise of obliterating a roster for a superstar
Beal also probably helps get Kawhi, just something to note.
Why would Leonard want to play in East Coast? He left so he could go back home. His team almost got to the championship without him. Why would he leave all that?
Well, supposedly he has lost trust with the training staff/doctors. The same happened in SA, I believe.
Haha, you think GSW would want Randle for their two picks and more?
Obviously the Knicks won't do that, but I'd think about it.
Had no idea who Trey Murphy was until this morning, but his tape looks impressive. Wouldn't know he was 6'9 with the way he moves. Would prefer him over Duarte just because of age.
On the mocks, seems a lot of the smaller guards are dropping and the wings are rising. We need guards with skills who can actually shoot and create. Stay put and take your stabs at two of them.
RE: Haha, you think GSW would want Randle for their two picks and more?
Obviously the Knicks won't do that, but I'd think about it.
Had no idea who Trey Murphy was until this morning, but his tape looks impressive. Wouldn't know he was 6'9 with the way he moves. Would prefer him over Duarte just because of age.
On the mocks, seems a lot of the smaller guards are dropping and the wings are rising. We need guards with skills who can actually shoot and create. Stay put and take your stabs at two of them.
I'm fine with trading up for Murphy if it is only for pick 32 and maybe a future 2nd as well. At 21 we could get someone like Springer or Cooper or Jackson. I'd prefer a penetrating guard but we most likely need a mitch replacement or backup so Jackson makes sense if they went in that direction.
Knicks are apparently interested in Duarte, and according to this article may trade up for him. Link - ( New Window )
If he was 4 years younger he would be a top 8 prospect..
That's the issue. He's a grown man playing vs kids a lot younger than he is. If the Knicks were a role player or two a way you draft a 24 year old rd 1. As it is I wouldn't touch him til rd 2. Now another team much deeper would make some sense as he's plug and play. But what u see now is pretty much it.
I'd be pissed if the Knicks turn 19 and 21 into Duarte.
Cooper seems to be falling, we should snag him with one of the picks and with the other take whichever SG/SF that falls. Then gamble on a big with the 32. Sims is like a brickhouse on a pogo stick.
are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
He's not expiring. He's got 2 years left. If he was expiring I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, but you're stuck with him for two shitty seasons and taking up a ton of cap.
are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
He's not expiring. He's got 2 years left. If he was expiring I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, but you're stuck with him for two shitty seasons and taking up a ton of cap.
It's not an expiring but basically an exipiring. If you release him he counts $3.9 because that is what is guaranteed.
are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
He's not expiring. He's got 2 years left. If he was expiring I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, but you're stuck with him for two shitty seasons and taking up a ton of cap.
It's not an expiring but basically an exipiring. If you release him he counts $3.9 because that is what is guaranteed.
Ah gotcha, I actually didn't realize that. I guess I'd be more open to it in that case but I still think he mostly just stinks. I'd take him AND 10 basically for free. They can have Knox or maybe 32.
The Pelicans have 'generated traction' with the Grizzlies in a deal that would send the 10th pick and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis for the Grizzlies' 17th pick, per
@JakeLFischer
The Pelicans have 'generated traction' with the Grizzlies in a deal that would send the 10th pick and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis for the Grizzlies' 17th pick, per
@JakeLFischer
The Pelicans have 'generated traction' with the Grizzlies in a deal that would send the 10th pick and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis for the Grizzlies' 17th pick, per
@JakeLFischer
Nice. Is that a recent tweet?
The tweet from NBA Central is, but I don't know when Jake Fischer reported that tidbit
No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Robbie. NyGiants 16 still thinks the Melo trade in 2011 was worth it. He’s operating under the same premise of obliterating a roster for a superstar
I guess we won’t talk about that the Knicks will probably have two max slots still open AFTER trading for Beal? Including Randle.
Can’t look at the Beal trade in a vacuum. The Knicks basically had one bullet left after the melo trade and it was the amnesty of Billups that led to chandler, tyson.
Can we mention this? The Knicks might make a big trade here and still have 2 slots plus Randle to use. I’m not even screaming to make this trade but we need to stop calling this melo part 2. The Knicks have tons more flexibility and more assets than they had in 2011. Not to mention Randle isn’t living on the borrowed time that stat was living on.
Look at the big picture, not just how the team would look days after dealing for a player like Beal.
Beal also probably helps get Kawhi, just something to note.
Why would Leonard want to play in East Coast? He left so he could go back home. His team almost got to the championship without him. Why would he leave all that?
Well, supposedly he has lost trust with the training staff/doctors. The same happened in SA, I believe.
Okay - thanks.
Who did the comment come from that he was unhappy with the LA training staff/doctors?
And it's possible he could miss entire 2021-2022 season?
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Beal is taking the weekend to mull the idea of requesting a trade..Said past couple of weeks he has been on the fence..
Lakers are looking for a 3rd top guy who is a distributor and ball handler to take pressure off of Lebron..lowry, derozan and Dinwiddie are 3 names discussed..
also there has been talks with the Kings on a kuzma for Hield deal...
His only mention of the Knicks is what we have already heard, the knicks are trying to use 19 and 21 to move up
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Who is your superstar you are going to get?
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Who is your superstar you are going to get?
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
I think the idea is that this front office is bright enough to have other things lined up before making a deal like that. Of course we don’t know that yet, but just because WE don’t know what the plan is doesn’t mean there isn’t a plan.
Just a hunch but I think we're going to end up with Oubre. I think it'll be a wildly unpopular move but you're buying low on him after a bad fit on GSW and I think if the money is right it could be a good add.
Just a hunch but I think we're going to end up with Oubre. I think it'll be a wildly unpopular move but you're buying low on him after a bad fit on GSW and I think if the money is right it could be a good add.
Oubra is a Thibs type of player defensively his 3 pt shooting was strong the 2nd half of the season and is only 25 but there are rumors he is looking for 20 million.
It might take a 4 year 60 million deal. I can't see paying him that with him being a below average shooter away from the rim.
I would resign Bullock first for 10 million per.
and Murphy also going 14 and 15 in the latest ESPN mock.
So the Pacers at 13 look like the first target to jump up for one of those guys.
GS wants to trade the pick though so that's another option.
I would be surprised if GS would want 19 and 21, adding that many rookies just doesn't seem like a good fit.
I think 15 and 16 are in play and maybe 11 with Charlotte.
Not too many teams willing to take on that many rookies.
Throw 19 and next year's Dallas pick might be enticing enough to a team in 10 to 15.
and Murphy also going 14 and 15 in the latest ESPN mock.
So the Pacers at 13 look like the first target to jump up for one of those guys.
GS wants to trade the pick though so that's another option.
I would be surprised if GS would want 19 and 21, adding that many rookies just doesn't seem like a good fit.
I think 15 and 16 are in play and maybe 11 with Charlotte.
Not too many teams willing to take on that many rookies.
Throw 19 and next year's Dallas pick might be enticing enough to a team in 10 to 15.
You misinterpreted what I was saying. GS wants to trade 7 and 14 for a starter level player. They tried for some big time players but not even a nibble. In no way was I suggesting GS would trade 14 to us for 19 and 21. I wouldn't do that from the Knicks perspective and GS wouldn't do it from their perspective. My point was if GS does trade out then that is most likely one less team that would take Murphy or Duarte.
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
I think the idea is that this front office is bright enough to have other things lined up before making a deal like that. Of course we don’t know that yet, but just because WE don’t know what the plan is doesn’t mean there isn’t a plan.
Oubra is a Thibs type of player defensively his 3 pt shooting was strong the 2nd half of the season
Nope. He was 30-98 after the All Star break, 30.6%, a tick below his 31.6% for the season.
He did get off to a horrendous start, so he had to be above average sometime. But that was from mid-January to late February and he did not sustain the trend in the second half.
That's the way stats are. In big picture, he is 32.6% from 3 pt for his career and has shot 32.5% or below four of the last five seasons.
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4h
Had people on both the agent and team sides say they expect a record number of trades this offseason. Poor FA class, limited cap space, teams wanting to go for it are all the main reasons why.
Also mentioned: revenue losses weren't as bad as projected. Teams are willing to spend.
Yup a wise man did say that. Congrats. But I do recall that another wiseman said the Knicks wanted him bad and were trying to do everything they could to get him long before the rumors started. That also was accurate (grin). BTW they are not giving up. The reluctance to deal RJB isn’t just his potential but they feel the potential to lure Zion which is 50% of it which I’m sure you also know (grin).
I feel like they will end up having to settle ona guy like oubre. Oubre certainly will not want to take a 1 year deal but not alot teams have cap flexibility so maybe he will take a 1+1, if Knicks are willing to pay $20+ mill per year which I would be fine with for a short term deal. Other option may be 2+1 with a team option. He fits their timeline in terms of his age, certainly can still develop more. I don’t love him, but if Beal gets traded, then the only free agent option next year is lavine and it sounds like he is very interested in re upping with the bulls. I’m assuming the big 3 re up in Brooklyn and Steph stays in golden state. Candidly I don’t want harden or kyrie anyway and KD has made it very clear he will not play for the Knicks.
I love chris Paul but I’m not interested in giving him a 3 year $120 million deal.
My view on the team is unless they get a top 20 type of player they will take a small step back next year. Randle played out of his mind and the whole team went hard every minute for the whole season, which isn’t sustainable. Still see them as a 7 or 8 seed, I just don’t see the big offseason splash that we are all hoping for, which I am fine with. Let these guys all develop for another year and see which star is disgruntled next offseason. Maybe the nets blow up, maybe Klay isn’t back to form and GS has to break it up and start over, who knows.
we have no idea what the Knicks are going to do, it has been oretty quiet for the Knicks right now, only thing we have heard is they are willing to package picks to move up..
I feel like what they are going to do is oretty wide open right now..
The only way I want Beal would be heavy picks and not players. We found players in the draft who can play key roles on this team we don’t need to fish for more. I am fine trading 4 or 5 first rounders and so swap rights with Toppin and knox. Chances are that won’t get it done because wizards will probably prefer ben simmons in any deal.
If you can have a starting 5 of:
PG - Rose/free agent/Rookie
SG - Beal
SF - Barrett
PF - Randle
C - Mitch
Bench
Quickley
Vets
And then cap space next year that is a pretty good situation to be in
hope Giddey falls a bit, would not mind him on the Knicks. If he can work on his shot a bit and with Thibs helping him translate his defense to NBA speed, I think he can be a good player.
between the rumors of the Wizards trading Westbrook and reports that Beal has been on the fence for a few weeks, Beal has either told the Wizards to trade him or basically told them he is leaning thay way...
If/when it is reported he wants out that wont be the first time the Wizards were told..
including a 24 first from memphis top 4 protected..
so it comes down to Rj vs wiseman and if wizards want wiggins or cap space
I don't think the Warriors have a huge trump card offer. I think RJ is a far better asset than Wiseman. And the 7th and 14th picks are nice but not a huge game changer in this draft. I do think if they include their future 1st way out and the Memphis pick help big time.
But if Beal is available the competition is going to be steep. He fits on every team in the NBA and is a 27 year old All NBA player that is an elite shooter/ averaging 30 a game.
I do hope the Knicks get involved in the Pelicans trade talks with Bledsoe and the 10th pick. He hasn't been good but he's not a complete dud- good backup guard.
we're calling beal an elite NBA shooter then hes a career 37.5% three point shooter and hasn't topped 35.5% since 2017. Meanwhile sexton is a career 38.5% three point shooter and no one calls him an elite shooter. beal is certainly very good but he definitely has some volume shooter to his game.
The Knicks have made attempts to move up into the late lottery by combining their two first-round selections, sources say, and could still find a suitable move going into draft night, whether that’s acquiring NBA talent, or moving around in the draft. New York has also been the team most frequently linked to Jackson over the course of the predraft process, noting the team’s demonstrable penchant for Kentucky players. While Jackson is inarguably raw and not particularly skilled, he’s an exceptional athlete, and flashed enough intriguing things during the season to solidify first-round interest. The hope is that Jackson will emerge as a rim-running center who protects the basket, but he’s not particularly reliable yet and viewed as more of a project. He’s an acquired taste for some scouts, who question his offensive acumen and feel.
21. Knicks (from Mavericks): Usman Garuba, F/C, Real Madrid (Spain)
Height: 6' 8" | Weight: 230 | Age: 19
Teams are all over the board on Garuba, who has one of the most intriguing defensive profiles in the draft, but is lagging behind in terms of offensive skills at this point, leading to questions over what his eventual role might be on that end of the floor. The Knicks have a defensive-minded head coach in Tom Thibodeau, and could be intrigued by what Garuba has to offer. He’s exceptionally well-tested for his age, having cut his teeth in Real Madrid’s senior team and the Spanish national team, and he should have utility as a physical, switchable ball screen defender who can guard all over the frontcourt. But teams are concerned about how far away he might be on offense, and it’s possible he slips into the 20s.
RE: I'd rather have Barrett and our picks than Beal
we're calling beal an elite NBA shooter then hes a career 37.5% three point shooter and hasn't topped 35.5% since 2017. Meanwhile sexton is a career 38.5% three point shooter and no one calls him an elite shooter. beal is certainly very good but he definitely has some volume shooter to his game.
I would also say Beal has very little if any help on offense and those shots he takes are typically tough. He's not getting a ton of open looks.
Maybe he's not truly elite but he has the potential to get close to 50/40/90 which not many players are capable of. Especially players that can average 30 a game and hold up on defense.
RE: RE: the narratives on certain players is interesting
we're calling beal an elite NBA shooter then hes a career 37.5% three point shooter and hasn't topped 35.5% since 2017. Meanwhile sexton is a career 38.5% three point shooter and no one calls him an elite shooter. beal is certainly very good but he definitely has some volume shooter to his game.
I would also say Beal has very little if any help on offense and those shots he takes are typically tough. He's not getting a ton of open looks.
Maybe he's not truly elite but he has the potential to get close to 50/40/90 which not many players are capable of. Especially players that can average 30 a game and hold up on defense.
It goes both ways too. He scores more because he has to. On a championship caliber team his ppg will not he 30.
I don't think you can take two players and compare them
purely on 3pt shooting percentages. It depends on how you get those shots, what's your shooting volume, and where you take those shots from. Look at some of the percentages on the Knicks last season.
No one thinks or should think Sexton does what Beal does.
HARDER to trade than most feel as he is very attached to a potential future asset. There is more to it than his game.0
I'm just curious how that would even play out. We aren't waiting until he could potentially hit FA in 2024. If we go the trade route we need to have legit pieces to trade.
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Who is your superstar you are going to get?
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
I just spelled it out. I said we'd sign Ball, trade for Beal, and still have Randle's hold (maybe) and have max room in 2022. What's not to like with this scenario?
Whether we get a super star in 22 or not, we'd still have flexibility.
I am not even screaming to make this move but everyone keeps looking at the beal signing in a vacuum. There's more to it. We need to look deeper and stop screaming Melo part 2 every time someone wants to trade for a super star.
are so scared of making that trade or signing. not every trade is Melo all over again.
The Knicks have a shit load of assets and room to operate. There's risks in dealing for a star, there's also risks in not doing so and sticking with all these kids.
If you can trade one of RJB and IQ and a bunch of young crap for Beal and STILL have room to add 1-2 max players and re-sign Randle? What am I missing here? That team contends.
are so scared of making that trade or signing. not every trade is Melo all over again.
The Knicks have a shit load of assets and room to operate. There's risks in dealing for a star, there's also risks in not doing so and sticking with all these kids.
If you can trade one of RJB and IQ and a bunch of young crap for Beal and STILL have room to add 1-2 max players and re-sign Randle? What am I missing here? That team contends.
Because we may have a star in Barrett. What he has done at 20 is remarkable. And Beal is good but not a superstar. Beal and Randle aren't winning shit and that could easily backfire with a bad season. Yes, it could work out but I'm not hanging my hat on Randle and Beal.
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
But what does that matter for the Knicks? They are under the cap so it sounds like it doesn't carry over like the NFL. So what is the advantage of it? I can see if a team has more space for right now and is over the cap come Thursday but I don't see how that helps us.
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
But what does that matter for the Knicks? They are under the cap so it sounds like it doesn't carry over like the NFL. So what is the advantage of it? I can see if a team has more space for right now and is over the cap come Thursday but I don't see how that helps us.
because you can make a deal now that other teams cant, so before the draft it gives them more flexibility in trades..
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
But what does that matter for the Knicks? They are under the cap so it sounds like it doesn't carry over like the NFL. So what is the advantage of it? I can see if a team has more space for right now and is over the cap come Thursday but I don't see how that helps us.
because you can make a deal now that other teams cant, so before the draft it gives them more flexibility in trades..
Give me an example.
Would not trade RJ and a bunch of picks for Beal. I like
I’m interested in seeing what RJ adds to his game next year. A mid-range back to the basket game perhaps? He just needs to realize he should finish in the paint with power, angle, and being a lefty and not with speed or by jumping over people, and he will be fine. Of course, the outside shot needs to continue to improve too.
RE: Would not trade RJ and a bunch of picks for Beal. I like
I’m interested in seeing what RJ adds to his game next year. A mid-range back to the basket game perhaps? He just needs to realize he should finish in the paint with power, angle, and being a lefty and not with speed or by jumping over people, and he will be fine. Of course, the outside shot needs to continue to improve too.
He started off the first 12 games of the year shooting 21% from 3. There were months where he was shooting near 50% from 3. I am not worried about his outside shot at all.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I never knew money carried over.
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
But what does that matter for the Knicks? They are under the cap so it sounds like it doesn't carry over like the NFL. So what is the advantage of it? I can see if a team has more space for right now and is over the cap come Thursday but I don't see how that helps us.
because you can make a deal now that other teams cant, so before the draft it gives them more flexibility in trades..
Give me an example.
so for example Bledsoe and 10 for 19...knicks could make that deal now based off of 16.7 million rather than his 18 next year and have that pick if they want to keep it or flip it..
rather than waiting until free agency and making it more complicated during the draft to flip the 10th pick..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I never knew money carried over.
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
But what does that matter for the Knicks? They are under the cap so it sounds like it doesn't carry over like the NFL. So what is the advantage of it? I can see if a team has more space for right now and is over the cap come Thursday but I don't see how that helps us.
because you can make a deal now that other teams cant, so before the draft it gives them more flexibility in trades..
Give me an example.
so for example Bledsoe and 10 for 19...knicks could make that deal now based off of 16.7 million rather than his 18 next year and have that pick if they want to keep it or flip it..
rather than waiting until free agency and making it more complicated during the draft to flip the 10th pick..
But, like I said, it doesn't really matter if it was last year's rules or this year's rules. We'd be able to make that move. I don't see that as an advantage for anyone outside of a team that was under the cap to being over the cap the following year. I get what you are saying. It is just beneficial as opposed to other teams who aren't under the cap.
are so scared of making that trade or signing. not every trade is Melo all over again.
The Knicks have a shit load of assets and room to operate. There's risks in dealing for a star, there's also risks in not doing so and sticking with all these kids.
If you can trade one of RJB and IQ and a bunch of young crap for Beal and STILL have room to add 1-2 max players and re-sign Randle? What am I missing here? That team contends.
Because we may have a star in Barrett. What he has done at 20 is remarkable. And Beal is good but not a superstar. Beal and Randle aren't winning shit and that could easily backfire with a bad season. Yes, it could work out but I'm not hanging my hat on Randle and Beal.
Selling Beal a little short here no?
This isn't aimed at you specifically but some Knicks fans seem way to reluctant to make a trade. No players are perfect and homegrown guys always seem to be overrated by the fanbase. But you win in the NBA with the top players and if you have a chance to get a top 15-20 guy, in my opinion you do what it takes to land them.
Just look at 3 of the recent top 10 picks on the roster. Picks and young players can be vastly overrated...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I never knew money carried over.
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
But what does that matter for the Knicks? They are under the cap so it sounds like it doesn't carry over like the NFL. So what is the advantage of it? I can see if a team has more space for right now and is over the cap come Thursday but I don't see how that helps us.
because you can make a deal now that other teams cant, so before the draft it gives them more flexibility in trades..
Give me an example.
so for example Bledsoe and 10 for 19...knicks could make that deal now based off of 16.7 million rather than his 18 next year and have that pick if they want to keep it or flip it..
rather than waiting until free agency and making it more complicated during the draft to flip the 10th pick..
But, like I said, it doesn't really matter if it was last year's rules or this year's rules. We'd be able to make that move. I don't see that as an advantage for anyone outside of a team that was under the cap to being over the cap the following year. I get what you are saying. It is just beneficial as opposed to other teams who aren't under the cap.
i guess more convenient than advantage..
I'm selling a gutted team with Randle and Beal short.
An injury, a bad season, etc. and what max will want to sign here? I love the direction this team is going. And I will say this a million times. This is the NBA, stars are available multiple times every year. Trying to go with the quick fix now is shortsighted. I think Obi can be a really good player for us. Why would I want to sell him for pennies on the dollar? Why would I want to give up on RJ when he would be one of the youngest players in this upcoming draft? RJ's ceiling is great. Why can't we be patient and keep developing our players?
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The two teams that could really shake things up are the Knicks and Thunder. Both have significant financial flexibility to absorb bad contracts as well as multiple picks to package and potentially move up. Their front offices will likely be busy fielding calls this week.
RE: I'm selling a gutted team with Randle and Beal short.
An injury, a bad season, etc. and what max will want to sign here? I love the direction this team is going. And I will say this a million times. This is the NBA, stars are available multiple times every year. Trying to go with the quick fix now is shortsighted. I think Obi can be a really good player for us. Why would I want to sell him for pennies on the dollar? Why would I want to give up on RJ when he would be one of the youngest players in this upcoming draft? RJ's ceiling is great. Why can't we be patient and keep developing our players?
Your opinion of Obi might be different than theirs though. Imagine if they'd sold on Knox after his rookie year? He isn't going to get the minutes to really improve his trade value all that much anyways barring an injury to Randle. Unless they think Obi can be an all-star (doubtful) then now is a good time to trade him while he's still got 3 years left on his rookie deal.
are so scared of making that trade or signing. not every trade is Melo all over again.
The Knicks have a shit load of assets and room to operate. There's risks in dealing for a star, there's also risks in not doing so and sticking with all these kids.
If you can trade one of RJB and IQ and a bunch of young crap for Beal and STILL have room to add 1-2 max players and re-sign Randle? What am I missing here? That team contends.
Because we may have a star in Barrett. What he has done at 20 is remarkable. And Beal is good but not a superstar. Beal and Randle aren't winning shit and that could easily backfire with a bad season. Yes, it could work out but I'm not hanging my hat on Randle and Beal.
Totally fair. I don't want to deal RJB either. I don't even know if I want to deal assets for Beal at all, but I think we need be open minded to what could lie ahead if they dealt for Beal or any other star. There's no way the Knicks deal for Beal and then just stop making moves. They'd still have room for more.
An injury, a bad season, etc. and what max will want to sign here? I love the direction this team is going. And I will say this a million times. This is the NBA, stars are available multiple times every year. Trying to go with the quick fix now is shortsighted. I think Obi can be a really good player for us. Why would I want to sell him for pennies on the dollar? Why would I want to give up on RJ when he would be one of the youngest players in this upcoming draft? RJ's ceiling is great. Why can't we be patient and keep developing our players?
Trade for BEal. Sign BAll. Have room for more in 2022.
Tell me that team goes nowhere.
RE: RE: I'm selling a gutted team with Randle and Beal short.
An injury, a bad season, etc. and what max will want to sign here? I love the direction this team is going. And I will say this a million times. This is the NBA, stars are available multiple times every year. Trying to go with the quick fix now is shortsighted. I think Obi can be a really good player for us. Why would I want to sell him for pennies on the dollar? Why would I want to give up on RJ when he would be one of the youngest players in this upcoming draft? RJ's ceiling is great. Why can't we be patient and keep developing our players?
Trade for BEal. Sign BAll. Have room for more in 2022.
Tell me that team goes nowhere.
I'd rather wait on the $ for next year than pay Lonzo ~$20M/year if they're going to trade for Beal. With Beal and Randle in NYC they'd be one of, if not the top destination for stars looking to get out so I'd want to keep a max or near max spot open.
dont see any way they sign Ball, nor should they. He's a glorified 3/D guy. Need more than that out of a lead guard. There's a reason the Pelicans are ready to let him walk.
Knicks trade 19, Knox to NOLA for Bledsoe and 10th pick.
Knicks trade 10th pick, 21st pick, Dallas 23 pick and Obi to Toronto for the 4th overall pick to take Suggs.
Any chance Toronto does that? Would you do that? I would guess it would take another future 1st for Toronto to even think about it. I am personally just very high on Suggs.
dont see any way they sign Ball, nor should they. He's a glorified 3/D guy. Need more than that out of a lead guard. There's a reason the Pelicans are ready to let him walk.
By all indications so far, they're not all that interested in him. I disagree though with that premise. I'm still skeptical the Pelicans let him walk but if they do it will be because they want cap flexibility to pair Zion with another star which if they pay Lonzo ~$20M will be impossible without trading Ingram.
Knicks trade 19, Knox to NOLA for Bledsoe and 10th pick.
Knicks trade 10th pick, 21st pick, Dallas 23 pick and Obi to Toronto for the 4th overall pick to take Suggs.
Any chance Toronto does that? Would you do that? I would guess it would take another future 1st for Toronto to even think about it. I am personally just very high on Suggs.
I would do that yeah. Dont think the Raptors would touch it though.
Randle and Beal with Thibs coaching isn't exactly chopped liver. We're talking two of the more explosive offensive [players in the NBA. Both well under 30. Both receiving great coaching and playing on a team that has more room to add talent.
We can wait. We can sit on RJB or IQ and Obi and all these picks and see what comes of it, but that comes with risk too. And I don't agree that stars spring free every year. Guys like Beal are not available every year. He's well under 30 and averaging 30 and might be available. That's rare.
Knicks trade 19, Knox to NOLA for Bledsoe and 10th pick.
Knicks trade 10th pick, 21st pick, Dallas 23 pick and Obi to Toronto for the 4th overall pick to take Suggs.
Any chance Toronto does that? Would you do that? I would guess it would take another future 1st for Toronto to even think about it. I am personally just very high on Suggs.
it's not enough to move up to #1. Maybe if this was the Anthony Bennett draft year. But you don't see trades like this in the NBA because the probability of getting a star or solid regular drastically decreases the further you move down in the lottery.
For picks and expiring deals.
They need a total rebuild and the time is right for it.
They finally got out of the Wall deal and they can go the thunder route and build a ton of picks and cap room.
They can't win with those 2 and no one is coming to Washington to play with them.
Knicks trade 19, Knox to NOLA for Bledsoe and 10th pick.
Knicks trade 10th pick, 21st pick, Dallas 23 pick and Obi to Toronto for the 4th overall pick to take Suggs.
Any chance Toronto does that? Would you do that? I would guess it would take another future 1st for Toronto to even think about it. I am personally just very high on Suggs.
it's not enough to move up to #1. Maybe if this was the Anthony Bennett draft year. But you don't see trades like this in the NBA because the probability of getting a star or solid regular drastically decreases the further you move down in the lottery.
Yeah but in this scenario its moving up from 10th to 4th overall- 6 spots. And you are including the 21st overall pick, the Dallas pick in 2023 and Toppin. I think it would take another future 1st round pick but Toronto probably still says no. I think its unlikely but I don't think its an unreasonable offer...
Knicks trade 19, Knox to NOLA for Bledsoe and 10th pick.
Knicks trade 10th pick, 21st pick, Dallas 23 pick and Obi to Toronto for the 4th overall pick to take Suggs.
Any chance Toronto does that? Would you do that? I would guess it would take another future 1st for Toronto to even think about it. I am personally just very high on Suggs.
it's not enough to move up to #1. Maybe if this was the Anthony Bennett draft year. But you don't see trades like this in the NBA because the probability of getting a star or solid regular drastically decreases the further you move down in the lottery.
Yeah but in this scenario its moving up from 10th to 4th overall- 6 spots. And you are including the 21st overall pick, the Dallas pick in 2023 and Toppin. I think it would take another future 1st round pick but Toronto probably still says no. I think its unlikely but I don't think its an unreasonable offer...
ah, my mistake. Moving to 4 from 10 is obviously more realistic. That might actually be close to a fair offer.
RE: So the Golden State stars are pressuring management
to make a big splash - specifically Beal - and suddenly Beal is considering a trade request this week? I think we know where this one is headed….
Man, as a GS fan I don't really want this. I would leave to have a chance to see Jordan Poole, Wiseman, and either 1 or 2 rookies they draft develop.
Tough spot to be in, do you build vets around Klay, Curry, and Green for one more run or build kids around them for the future.
Curry is 34, Klay and Green are 31 it looks like GS is in win now mode.
but I don't know why Beal would agree to go to the Knicks (no offense). Seems like a lateral move at best.
Washington only has Westbrook and Bertans with very little young talent
The Knicks are a better option with Randle, RJ and cap space.
But is there any realistic road to the (conference) finals in the near future for him. In Philadelphia and Miami and potentially even Boston, he likely could see at least an opening with him on the team.
but I don't know why Beal would agree to go to the Knicks (no offense). Seems like a lateral move at best.
Washington only has Westbrook and Bertans with very little young talent
The Knicks are a better option with Randle, RJ and cap space.
But is there any realistic road to the (conference) finals in the near future for him. In Philadelphia and Miami and potentially even Boston, he likely could see at least an opening with him on the team.
Knicks would also habe cap space to either add a 3rd star or 2 very good players..
Philly, miami and Boston would be capped out
RE: RE: RE: So the Golden State stars are pressuring management
to make a big splash - specifically Beal - and suddenly Beal is considering a trade request this week? I think we know where this one is headed….
Man, as a GS fan I don't really want this. I would leave to have a chance to see Jordan Poole, Wiseman, and either 1 or 2 rookies they draft develop.
Tough spot to be in, do you build vets around Klay, Curry, and Green for one more run or build kids around them for the future.
Curry is 34, Klay and Green are 31 it looks like GS is in win now mode.
Right, and it's certainly no guarantee that Klay will return to form an be a contributor. I get it from a win-now perspective.
I just think it's super gratifying to watch player development from my seat as a fan, and I just don't want Wiseman to go anywhere.
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BREAKING: Memphis is finalizing a trade to send Jonas Valanciunas and 2021 Nos. 17 and 51 picks to New Orleans for Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 2021 picks Nos. 10 and 40 and a protected 2022 first-round pick via the Lakers, sources tell ESPN.
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BREAKING: Memphis is finalizing a trade to send Jonas Valanciunas and 2021 Nos. 17 and 51 picks to New Orleans for Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 2021 picks Nos. 10 and 40 and a protected 2022 first-round pick via the Lakers, sources tell ESPN.
if you think he is going to be a star you 100% keep him, but if you think he is just going to be a good player eventually he will become kverpaid...
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
I wish I knew. Gun to head I think RJB becomes a star, but it's a tough one to figure. I love that he became a good spot up 3 pt shooter. Can he take yet another leap? As of now he's a solid player.
I'd make the call on De'Anthony Melton. Memphis now has Morant, Bledsoe, and Melton, plus a very serviceable Tyus Jones (I'd ask about him too) #Knicks
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BREAKING: Memphis is finalizing a trade to send Jonas Valanciunas and 2021 Nos. 17 and 51 picks to New Orleans for Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 2021 picks Nos. 10 and 40 and a protected 2022 first-round pick via the Lakers, sources tell ESPN.
I just read that 5x and I still can't figure out what's happening in this deal.
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New Orleans creates salary cap space for August that allows them to either match an offer sheet on Lonzo Ball, or have the cap space to pursue a significant free agent point guard, including Kyle Lowry and others. Pels liked Valanciunas as floor spacer at center over Adams, too.
New Orleans must feel like they have a good shot at landing Lowry
if you think he is going to be a star you 100% keep him, but if you think he is just going to be a good player eventually he will become kverpaid...
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
I wish I knew. Gun to head I think RJB becomes a star, but it's a tough one to figure. I love that he became a good spot up 3 pt shooter. Can he take yet another leap? As of now he's a solid player.
I hope you're right but the below average handle and average athleticism concern me. By all accounts his work ethic/attitude are great - so I'm confident he's going to achieve the best possible version of himself, but I just don't know what the ceiling is. What star player might he compare to?
RE: New Orleans must feel like they have a good shot at landing Lowry
if you think he is going to be a star you 100% keep him, but if you think he is just going to be a good player eventually he will become kverpaid...
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
I wish I knew. Gun to head I think RJB becomes a star, but it's a tough one to figure. I love that he became a good spot up 3 pt shooter. Can he take yet another leap? As of now he's a solid player.
I hope you're right but the below average handle and average athleticism concern me. By all accounts his work ethic/attitude are great - so I'm confident he's going to achieve the best possible version of himself, but I just don't know what the ceiling is. What star player might he compare to?
I was hoping someone else would come up with one lol. I guess Jimmy butler has a better handle? Paul Pierce? The lack of explosiveness is a concern to be sure. And he’s not exactly a dead eye shooter.
I can be swayed either way on RJ. What I do love is how he fills the box score and defends. That should only improve as he progresses but his scoring prowess and potential? Who knows...maybe what you see is what you get?
if you think he is going to be a star you 100% keep him, but if you think he is just going to be a good player eventually he will become kverpaid...
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
I wish I knew. Gun to head I think RJB becomes a star, but it's a tough one to figure. I love that he became a good spot up 3 pt shooter. Can he take yet another leap? As of now he's a solid player.
I hope you're right but the below average handle and average athleticism concern me. By all accounts his work ethic/attitude are great - so I'm confident he's going to achieve the best possible version of himself, but I just don't know what the ceiling is. What star player might he compare to?
I was hoping someone else would come up with one lol. I guess Jimmy butler has a better handle? Paul Pierce? The lack of explosiveness is a concern to be sure. And he’s not exactly a dead eye shooter.
I can be swayed either way on RJ. What I do love is how he fills the box score and defends. That should only improve as he progresses but his scoring prowess and potential? Who knows...maybe what you see is what you get?
RJ started the season off miserably from 3. The second half of the season he was as “dead eye” as any player in the league. It’s strange to me that we put stigmas on 20 year old based more on what they do early than late. I feel like no matter how well Barrett shoots at this point, he will always be questioned on his shooting ability. He was 20. And improved significantly over an extended period of time
That usually leads to problems. Trying to outdo last offseason. Patience please fellas.
That’s been their pattern over the years - new regime plays it conservative in year one and then panics a bit if a quick fix doesn’t present itself by year two. Difference this time is this regime actually had success in year one - hopefully that allows them to be more prudent.
Mitchell's stock is plummeting. Can anyone figure out why? He's not huge and he's a senior but those things were known all along. If he gets to the mid teens we should jump all over that.
Cleveland for Sexton? Indy makes sense as they have pick 13. The rumors for awhile were we want a lottery pick and we want a pick in the early teens. That means picks 13 and 14. We know GS supposedly likes Murphy and Duarte so if we can't get 14 then we have to get above that. However, Murphy seems like he could possibly go earlier, like top 10 possible.
that would trump multi year offers per Matt Moore from The Action Network Link - ( New Window )
Are the Knicks not linked to every player available.
Now it's Lowery and DeRozan big 1 year deals.
I don't hate it with the FA available in 2022.
Lowery, RJ, DeRozan, Randle, and Robinson is a solid 5.
For 1 year.
Plus draft well and have plenty of cap in 2022.
For any team searching to trade into the lottery—whispers of New York’s interest continue—their highest opportunity may be at Sacramento’s pick. The Kings at No. 9, and Pelicans, holding No. 10, have been active in trade conversations, sources said. Both teams seek to add veterans to bolster their respective playoff pushes. Both the Hornets and Pacers, the two Eastern Conference play-in teams who did not advance, would seemingly have interest in moving their picks at Nos. 11 and 13, respectively. 1 day ago – via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report
RE: RE: Let’s just say only name I’m not hearing is Ball.
I call bullshit on that. They probably won't have enough space. They, imo, are done with Ball. They did this to go all in on Lowry and go after some smaller pieces.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Let’s just say only name I’m not hearing is Ball.
I call bullshit on that. They probably won't have enough space. They, imo, are done with Ball. They did this to go all in on Lowry and go after some smaller pieces.
They have 36 million available if they let Hart and Ball walk.
25 million if they resign Hart which ESPN say they are trying to do.
That doesn't leave enough for Lowery.(25 million)
25 million does get them the match for Ball. Just ESPN speculation.
They treated Ball like Obi where they would just have them stay in the corner of the court most of the time. Zion dominated the ball and Ball was just there so to speak. They aren't paying him 20 mil per. If he gets low-balled then maybe that changes things.
Also, the reports that were out were that they'd sign Lowry and Ball and that is BS imo.
Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
obi is nothing, the only reason he is worth anything is because he was a 1st round oick last year..
Mitch is due for a pay day, you oaying him 12 to 15 million a year? Knicks were fine without him..
So, Noel is a FA who already has said he's going to the highest bidder & although he was great last year,playing extended minutes got him hurt on numerous occasions, so I doubt he's back.He also wants to be a starter. Now,some team will pay him to do so, but it won't be the Knicks. So,without Mitch, our centers are Gibson(37 & hopefully returning) & Norvel Pelle. So,will the Knicks be fine without Mitch & those 2 being the centers????
Knicks offered 19 and 21 to the warrios for 14 and they turned it down, whoch is not surprising because i am sure warriors are trying to use 7 and 14 to trade for a vet
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Shai Gilgeous-Alexander could be had via trade. 👀
"'It's going to take a f--king lot to get him, but he's no longer impossible to get,' said one team executive
from jake fischer
This is the guy to get.
They offered him and 6 for the first pick. We aren't getting him.
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Cade Cunningham has been the public favorite to go No. 1 to the Detroit Pistons since the lottery. While Detroit is surely doing its due diligence, is there any reason to doubt that Cunningham will be the first name we hear on Thursday night? Matt Babcock: I expect Cade Cunningham to be the top overall pick in this draft, selected by the Detroit Pistons. However, I’ve been told that the Houston Rockets and Oklahoma City Thunder have been knocking the Pistons’ door down. Rumor has it that the Thunder offered the No. 6 pick and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander in exchange for No. 1 — the Pistons declined. If the Pistons receive an offer better than that one, they may need to seriously consider it. 3 hours ago – via Ethan Fuller @ basketballnews.com
Cade Cunningham has been the public favorite to go No. 1 to the Detroit Pistons since the lottery. While Detroit is surely doing its due diligence, is there any reason to doubt that Cunningham will be the first name we hear on Thursday night? Matt Babcock: I expect Cade Cunningham to be the top overall pick in this draft, selected by the Detroit Pistons. However, I’ve been told that the Houston Rockets and Oklahoma City Thunder have been knocking the Pistons’ door down. Rumor has it that the Thunder offered the No. 6 pick and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander in exchange for No. 1 — the Pistons declined. If the Pistons receive an offer better than that one, they may need to seriously consider it. 3 hours ago – via Ethan Fuller @ basketballnews.com
That means any higher and we are probably offering more.
Knicks offered 19 and 21 to the warrios for 14 and they turned it down, whoch is not surprising because i am sure warriors are trying to use 7 and 14 to trade for a vet
There was a report yesterday that GS was having no luck trading those picks so as of 2:00 yesterday they planned on making those picks. The report said that maybe at 2:45 that could change because you never know. But, yeah, why would GS want more draft picks lower in the draft. They don't seem like an ideal candidate.
Knicks offered 19 and 21 to the warrios for 14 and they turned it down, whoch is not surprising because i am sure warriors are trying to use 7 and 14 to trade for a vet
There was a report yesterday that GS was having no luck trading those picks so as of 2:00 yesterday they planned on making those picks. The report said that maybe at 2:45 that could change because you never know. But, yeah, why would GS want more draft picks lower in the draft. They don't seem like an ideal candidate.
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The Knicks are interested in signing Kyle Lowry to a 2-year deal ranging between $20-30M per year.
The Knicks are also pursuing Evan Fournier & Spencer Dinwiddie. Fournier was mentioned to be on the Knicks radar during the trade deadline.
100%. It's a no brainer imo. RJ could wind up having the better career but SGA is already a star and is only getting better. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush and all that. He's more versatile than RJ and his efficiency last year was very impressive when you consider who he was playing with.
23 year old all-star with 2 years left on his rookie deal.
I would try and hold on to RJ but give up Mitch, Obi, Quickley, and boat load of picks.
Would still have cap to go after a max +.
I would do this over Dame/Beal/Levine deals
on 2 year deals with Rj, Randle, Mitch wouldnt be bad...still have flexibility, with your draft picks
I prefer Powell to Fournier but he's not a bad fallback option. I have my doubts that they're interested in Fournier given that they could've acquired him at the deadline for pennies to see how he'd fit up close and personal and chose not to.
-Multiple teams high on Duarte who could go as high as 10
-Pistons reportedly turned down SGA and 6 for #1
-Warriors turned down 19 and 21 for 14 per Wasserman
-2 different writers have told me the price to move up is much higher than some previous seasons with teams trying to attach bad contracts or asking for prices higher than recent years.
-Spears says the Knicks are one of "many" teams in on DeRozan
-Pompey has a similar report in regard to Lowry. One writer told me his gut tells him Lowry is #1 on the Knicks wishlist
-Multiple teams high on Duarte who could go as high as 10
-Pistons reportedly turned down SGA and 6 for #1
-Warriors turned down 19 and 21 for 14 per Wasserman
-2 different writers have told me the price to move up is much higher than some previous seasons with teams trying to attach bad contracts or asking for prices higher than recent years.
-Spears says the Knicks are one of "many" teams in on DeRozan
-Pompey has a similar report in regard to Lowry. One writer told me his gut tells him Lowry is #1 on the Knicks wishlist
Not surprised about Lowry, you know Thibs is pushing for a vet atarter at point
im a nova guy so i go back a long way rooting for kyle. its not in his DNA to just be looking for one last pay day and ride off into the sunset. the guy is the ultimate competitor and wants to win anything he does. he'd be great around a younger team and showing them what it takes to win at a high level. He'd be a perfect 2-year guy for this team.
if you think he is going to be a star you 100% keep him, but if you think he is just going to be a good player eventually he will become kverpaid...
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
I wish I knew. Gun to head I think RJB becomes a star, but it's a tough one to figure. I love that he became a good spot up 3 pt shooter. Can he take yet another leap? As of now he's a solid player.
I hope you're right but the below average handle and average athleticism concern me. By all accounts his work ethic/attitude are great - so I'm confident he's going to achieve the best possible version of himself, but I just don't know what the ceiling is. What star player might he compare to?
I was hoping someone else would come up with one lol. I guess Jimmy butler has a better handle? Paul Pierce? The lack of explosiveness is a concern to be sure. And he’s not exactly a dead eye shooter.
I can be swayed either way on RJ. What I do love is how he fills the box score and defends. That should only improve as he progresses but his scoring prowess and potential? Who knows...maybe what you see is what you get?
RJ started the season off miserably from 3. The second half of the season he was as “dead eye” as any player in the league. It’s strange to me that we put stigmas on 20 year old based more on what they do early than late. I feel like no matter how well Barrett shoots at this point, he will always be questioned on his shooting ability. He was 20. And improved significantly over an extended period of time
When I say dead eye I mean being able to shoot off the dribble. RJB aint there yet, not saying he can't get there. But he's no Ray Allen. Not that many are.
I am not trying to knock RJB or stir up a debate at all. Just playing a little devil's advocate in regards to any proposed Beal trade.
with regards to thinking a player is thinking one last pay day. That can be a very unfair label and also can prop up the younger player that is lazy and not as motivated.
Older players can be highly lucrative and helpful to the cause. We were afraid of Chris PAul last year. He helped lead the Suns to the finals.
The Knicks are in a perfect spot to offer up 1 year monster deals. It doesn't impact 2022 and you're improving the team for 2021.
it appears that the Knicks have become quite enamored with Trey Murphy, and aren't getting any signals they can move up much beyond the 15th pick or so. Murphy would probably still be there at 15, put there would be huge risk in waiting until 19. (Link)
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Marc Berman of the NY Post had this to say:
Murphy has risen up the mock-draft boards from an early second-round pick last month. Williford (Murphy’s coach at Virginia) believes, according to his intel, his name will be called between 17 and 30.
Six weeks ago, Murphy, listed at a still-light 206 pounds, wasn’t sure he’d stay in the draft.
Murphy shot 43.3 percent from 3-point range and averaged 11.3 points in his lone season with Virginia in 2020-21. He also shot 92.7 percent from the free-throw line.
“He can guard multiple positions — 2-to-4 for sure — and sometimes 1-to-4 with all the switching,’’ Williford said. “I see him as a floor spacer. Cam Johnson [of Phoenix] comes to mind. Similar size, similar ability to shoot the ball. He’s that wing-hybrid forward.’’
He didn't shoot that many threes, but his % was high, and his % on FTs is amazing. 92.7%! That of course signals well for his 3 pointer.
I would think that moving from 19 to 15 or so could be done for the two #1 picks or a little less, leaving them the valuable #32, for backup pg or backup big.
Still leaves the need for a pg, of course. And a big wing would be nice, too.
has worked for the Knicks for 20ish years. I can't find an article stating when he was hired but he's mentioned in a 2003 piece in the Times. Credited with most of the Knicks Euro finds.
"ATLANTA — The Knicks are proud of being one of the pioneers — along with Dallas and San Antonio — in European scouting. They were one of the first organizations to employ a full-time European scout. Kevin Wilson was hired in 2000 and based in Barcelona. Before that, the Knicks had Tim Shea as their European scout, also based in Spain."
until 32? Seems doubtful. If they want him badly, then no trade up. There is some talent with upside that will be around at 17 or 19, but they wouldn't get the shooter + defender that Murphy is.
for a 2nd round pick per a Minnesota beat reporter. Not sure that I buy that they can't get a late first but if it's true I'd jump on that. Worth the flier for sure.
has no incentive to take a 1-year deal. He's eligible for up to 3 years and will almost certainly take at least 2.
It depends on how big the 1 year deal is. I believe a team could offer up to something like $39M on a 1 year deal. If it's that or sign for 2 years at $25M or something like that he could bet on himself earning another 1 year or 2 year deal next year and make quite a bit more money.
has no incentive to take a 1-year deal. He's eligible for up to 3 years and will almost certainly take at least 2.
It depends on how big the 1 year deal is. I believe a team could offer up to something like $39M on a 1 year deal. If it's that or sign for 2 years at $25M or something like that he could bet on himself earning another 1 year or 2 year deal next year and make quite a bit more money.
Well he apparently was looking for 2 years starting at 25 per, so it sure seems as if that's going to be the minimum of his ask now.
"Great anticipation surrounds the New York Knicks' offseason, given the considerable cap space they possess, but the Knicks continue to be cited in league circles as perhaps the most likely destination for Portland's Damian Lillard if — stress if — there is a change of plans in the Pacific Northwest and the Trail Blazers make Lillard available via trade earlier than expected. Something to keep in mind when the Knicks are linked to other point guards."
"Great anticipation surrounds the New York Knicks' offseason, given the considerable cap space they possess, but the Knicks continue to be cited in league circles as perhaps the most likely destination for Portland's Damian Lillard if — stress if — there is a change of plans in the Pacific Northwest and the Trail Blazers make Lillard available via trade earlier than expected. Something to keep in mind when the Knicks are linked to other point guards."
Stephen A. said the same thing, but he's....Stephen A.
Stein is legit through. Let's go Dame - you've been loyal enough to Portland. Come get bounced in the first round in NY.
"Great anticipation surrounds the New York Knicks' offseason, given the considerable cap space they possess, but the Knicks continue to be cited in league circles as perhaps the most likely destination for Portland's Damian Lillard if — stress if — there is a change of plans in the Pacific Northwest and the Trail Blazers make Lillard available via trade earlier than expected. Something to keep in mind when the Knicks are linked to other point guards."
Stephen A. said the same thing, but he's....Stephen A.
Stein is legit through. Let's go Dame - you've been loyal enough to Portland. Come get bounced in the first round in NY.
I jjst dont see him asking out right now
I don't either, but it's a matter of when, not if.
What card can Portland play to become a contender. They are what they are at this point. Trading McCollum for a good player who better complements Lillard is about it.
so whoever posted it didn't just mention it out of nowhere - something about trading him for a first and resetting a rookie contract because they have a glut of guys due for paydays all at once. But if hitdog says no, it's no until proven otherwise.
I hope the Knicks just stay the course. Draft well and develop players. Continue to find under the radar FAs, and acquire assets. I just don't see any real quick fix this off season.
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Lillard will also try to influence what team he ends up playing for.
teams will be in on Dame (duh). Denver? Philly? Miami? There will obviously be others (Lakers, Clippeers) but what can they give in return?
He'll go where he wants to go if the James Harden saga taught us anything. The question is how many teams are on his list? Of the teams you mentioned, Denver could put a nice package together. Philly could if they want Simmons or if a third team would trade enough for Simmons to make it work. The Knicks could put together a better package than Miami though. Herro is their main trade chip and his value has plummeted.
Haha. Perhaps. He's a fantastic talent who is under contract for awhile. And he'd be the toast of NYC. A 1-2 of Dame & Randle is a damn good one...the one thing holding me back is his age. He's what, 31? & I'm also worried about selling the farm for him & the roster, outside of him & JR, just becoming depleted.
Lillard is basically a clearly better version of "Bubble" Jamal Murray, and we saw how good that Murray/Jokic combo was.
Lillard can't move off-ball like Curry does, but I think part of that is because Curry has Draymond and Lillard never had anything like that. Jokic being able to fill that role and then some could open up a whole new aspect to Lillard's game. He still won't be Steph, but he could be even closer than he already is.
Osi, if somehow Denver ended up with Dame, that's the Western favorites next season. I still think the Nuggets might have won the West if Murray doesn't get injured. That was a huge loss for them.
Osi, if somehow Denver ended up with Dame, that's the Western favorites next season. I still think the Nuggets might have won the West if Murray doesn't get injured. That was a huge loss for them.
Hard to see them trading him to a team in their division. Not to mention the optics of demanding a trade to the team that just eliminated you is very KD-like.
Strahan, I thought the same. I can't imagine the Portland FO would want to trade Dame-their biggest star since Drexler-to a team in their division, though I know divisions mean nothing in the NBA in 2021. Unless Denver has best offer, I gotta imagine the Blazers-if having to trade Dame-would like to see him go East to us, the 76ers, Celts, etc.
Haha. Perhaps. He's a fantastic talent who is under contract for awhile. And he'd be the toast of NYC. A 1-2 of Dame & Randle is a damn good one...the one thing holding me back is his age. He's what, 31? & I'm also worried about selling the farm for him & the roster, outside of him & JR, just becoming depleted.
Gun to head, I think he ends up a 76er.
I mean, I guess it’s possible. But I haven’t gotten the impression, based solely on things I read daily, that NBA teams are as enamored with Simmons as the Sixers ((or BBI) think they should be. I guess we shall see who is right.
BBS, I've heard on some pods that NBA executives are much higher on Simmons than public @ large. If the man can ever develop a shot...but that's been a ? for awhile now.
To Knicks.
First part do the Knicks blow the whole off-season on keeping space available for Dame for the opportunity to get him?
2nd do you move on and sign for example Lowery, DeRozan, fournier,etc and blow the chance at Dame?
Can you sign guys and still pull of a deal for Dame?
There is no shortage of suitors for the Cavaliers’ No. 3 overall pick in Thursday’s NBA Draft.Koby Altman
Per Michael Scotto of HoopsHype, the Raptors, Thunder, Warriors and Knicks have all reached out to the Cavs to discuss offers and move up.
think there's just going to be a crazy number of trades.
It's looking like Murphy won't be available at #19. The question is whether the Knicks will move up to get him, and what they would have to give up to do so. I also agree that McBride likely won't be available at #32.
Last year nobody had any clue about the trades they made. Tomorrow is going to be fun no matter what happens.
listening to Marc Stein's greenroom and he made the comment that the trade talk is crazy right now and very active, does that lead to a bunch of deals? who knows but it is very active..
Last year nobody had any clue about the trades they made. Tomorrow is going to be fun no matter what happens.
The one thing we can expect is that they will make moves. Last year's maneuvering even just around the margins was proof of that. They have picks, cap room and are ready to party.
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Tommy Sheppard says the Wizards “definitely want to get something in the second round.” Wizards enter tomorrow’s draft without a second-round pick. They will select at No. 15 in the first round.
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The Philadelphia 76ers wanted four first-round draft picks, three pick swaps, and a young player from the Spurs in exchange for Ben Simmons, per @KevinOConnorNBA
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The Philadelphia 76ers wanted four first-round draft picks, three pick swaps, and a young player from the Spurs in exchange for Ben Simmons, per @KevinOConnorNBA
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The Philadelphia 76ers wanted four first-round draft picks, three pick swaps, and a young player from the Spurs in exchange for Ben Simmons, per @KevinOConnorNBA
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ESPN Sources: Sixers continue to canvass the league for Ben Simmons trades — armed with a steep asking price. Simmons and his agent, Klutch CEO Rich Paul, are in step with a move elsewhere. Draft night is always an ideal vehicle for a deal, but talks could continue into summer.
I don't think that asking price is insane as an opening offer (obviously presuming you negotiate back off of it). Simmons being under contract 4 more years means there is more of a market for him as you don't need to immediately worry about resigning him.
What's more surprising to me is that Embiid's health over the long term is a question, so I would think the 76ers try to maximize their window now vs. get a huge pick trove (I understand they can then be used for a player).
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The Philadelphia 76ers wanted four first-round draft picks, three pick swaps, and a young player from the Spurs in exchange for Ben Simmons, per @KevinOConnorNBA
That is hysterical.
Double hysterical even.
I've officially reached my fill of draft podcasts and highlights.
Is reporting that knicks have offered 19 and 21 to get into 11-13 range to get Duarte. Shouldn’t they wait until draft Duarte to make sure he is there at those spots
Bad enough could 32, knox and $5 million cash get them into the mid 20’s range or is knox a detriment at this point. Maybe it would cost dallas 2023 pick to get McBride.
Is reporting that knicks have offered 19 and 21 to get into 11-13 range to get Duarte. Shouldn’t they wait until draft Duarte to make sure he is there at those spots
most likely a deal like that would not be done until thw pick is on the clok, unless knicks liked more than 1 or 2 players
I have no idea what the Knicks are going to do draft wise
Is reporting that knicks have offered 19 and 21 to get into 11-13 range to get Duarte. Shouldn’t they wait until draft Duarte to make sure he is there at those spots
Also said that it's not enough so they'd have to include more. Wonder how much more?
I think it's a move that would probably be agreed upon pending his availability at that pick
If 19/21 isn’t good enough to get us to 13-14 range
you might as well just stay put. Duarte or Murphy will not make or break our franchise - no need to just toss away Obi for someone even older. McBride/Cooper/Butler/Jackson/Garuba/Grimes/etc. will all help us.
at the beginning i never thought they would make all 3 picks, now i wouldnt be shocked at all...
I do think their goal in free agency is to add a vet starting point and a vet starting shooting gaurd..
I could see them going all out for Lowry
I think a 3-D wing is the goal in the draft early and a center late it sounds like PG is the goal in FA.
So Lowery, Ball, or maybe you trade next year's 2 first for Sexton after the draft and the dust settles on Cavs pick.
Knicks sound like a team that is desperate. Don't shop hungry. The talent level between 11 and 19 doesn't justify trading 19, 21, and a really good player to move up. My understanding is GS already said no to 19 and 21 for 14.
Knicks sound like a team that is desperate. Don't shop hungry. The talent level between 11 and 19 doesn't justify trading 19, 21, and a really good player to move up. My understanding is GS already said no to 19 and 21 for 14.
Golden state said no because they dont want more picks, they want veterans
considering that the player in return isn’t exactly going to be a star. Any of Murray, Johnson, Vassel, or Walker isn’t moving the needle much for Philly.
Everyone is assuming Duarte. The Warriors and another team like him. Maybe picks 14 and 15? That's why they are going for 11 to get above them. But the rumor is 19 and 21 for 11 is not enough.
I agree. Stay put. There will be some good players there.
Knicks eyeing Mitchell or Duarte in a trade up, habe talked to Pacers at 13 but Pacers want Mitchell as well, so if hr is gone they may be more willing to trade down..
Get a young big and if you don’t like the wings who’re left, try to trade for a first in next year’s draft.
Agreed no way I'd burn a 1st trading up for Duarte or Murphy. Moving from 19 to 13 or 14 isn't worth that. I'd almost rather just add in an asset and move up to 10 or so if Davion Mitchell falls the way it seems very possible right now.
I know that Thibs doesn't like to play younger players...
but at this point, having multiple promising younger players could appeal in trades.
Personally, I wouldn't mind it if they stayed where they were and picked 2 players. I think we're going to need some low cost young players to make deals or fill out the roster if we make some trades.
I know FA hasn't started, but right now we only have 8 players under contract.
Knicks sound like a team that is desperate. Don't shop hungry. The talent level between 11 and 19 doesn't justify trading 19, 21, and a really good player to move up. My understanding is GS already said no to 19 and 21 for 14.
Golden state said no because they dont want more picks, they want veterans
You're right. But it looks like the Knicks have been unable to package 19 and 21 to another team to move up.
I want no part of trading 2 first round picks and more
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
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Not sure I want to trade for him. I don't see a path to long term success when trading for a star right now.
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
It all deoends what you give up and how many picks and space you have left..
there is a scenario where you add Beal and still have max space to fill out roster or add a 3rd star
zero chance he makes it to free agency, very rarely now do these guys make it to free agency
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I don't want to deplete their assets because it makes it that much more difficult to win. Just wait a year and go as a FA with all of those assets.
zero chance he makes it to free agency, very rarely now do these guys make it to free agency
Zero chance?
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I don't want to deplete their assets because it makes it that much more difficult to win. Just wait a year and go as a FA with all of those assets.
zero chance he makes it to free agency, very rarely now do these guys make it to free agency
Zero chance?
guys dont make it to free agency anymore, unless you are lebron, durant or kawhi..
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Not sure I want to trade for him. I don't see a path to long term success when trading for a star right now.
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
+2. I leave it to others who know more, but I assume that trading for Beal would essentially empty the cupboard.
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
If you are going after Beal it's now or the deadline.
If you are able to keep RJ and Randle you go all in on a 27 yr old that just had back to back 30 pt per game season.
I would prefer Beal over Dame and I am a huge Dame fan because of his age.
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
Leave RJ out of the deal I don't think you need it.
The Knicks have the biggest package outside of GS for Beal.
Randle,RJ,and Beal is a solid jump point with a ton of money available.
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Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
obi is nothing, the only reason he is worth anything is because he was a 1st round oick last year..
Mitch is due for a pay day, you oaying him 12 to 15 million a year? Knicks were fine without him..
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Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
Leave RJ out of the deal I don't think you need it.
The Knicks have the biggest package outside of GS for Beal.
Randle,RJ,and Beal is a solid jump point with a ton of money available.
if the wizards say yes without Rj then you say yes on the spot
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No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
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No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Where is Obi playing? he is worth more to the Knicks in a trade than in their rotation for 15 minutes..
Love Quick that is why he is not in the offer i out before..
you willing to bet Rj becomes anymore than a borderline all star?
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Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
obi is nothing, the only reason he is worth anything is because he was a 1st round oick last year..
Mitch is due for a pay day, you oaying him 12 to 15 million a year? Knicks were fine without him..
Yeah we didn't miss him at all that Hawks series when capella made us his bitch for 5 straight games. Listen he might not be here long term, but besides money we dont have much of a path to build a roster after the trade. You reach out to guys like Norm Powell and Lowry and feel strongly that you could get them to come maybe you have something. Obi is not a complete garbage throw in. You're overating Beal. He's not Lebron or Kwai. He definitely a star but you don't blow your roster up for him. Take RJ out of the deal I can see some path forward.
And why sell low on Obi? Makes no sense. He showed great strides last year. And he and Randle can play at the same time but Thibs refuses to do that. I'm not against trading Obi at all. I'm against trading him when his value is so low. It's pointless.
The rumor is the Knicks will keep cap space for a max next year. They obviously feel one of these players will his FA and be an option. Stay the course. The team is young. Be patient.
yeah someone is telling Beal ask for a trade now
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to make a big splash - specifically Beal - and suddenly Beal is considering a trade request this week? I think we know where this one is headed….
yeah someone is telling Beal ask for a trade now
GS players don't want 2 lottery picks on that team they want another star. They need a deal by Thursday or kick one of those picks down the road.
They have the most attractive offer to another team with a disgruntled star but the clock is ticking.
Beal in NoCal & Wiseman, Wiggins, & other assets in DC.
I would say he is undervalued, He has no help around him and he basically carried that team last 2 years
He has been in the hunt for the scoring title for the last 2 years and he just turned 28 and has been injury-free.
He would be a great fit next to Randle and RJ.
Beal (age 20) - 17.1/3.7/3.3 .419/.402/.788
I know players don't develop along the same scale, but it would seem crazy to add RJ in a deal for Beal with other assets.
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Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
Beal (age 20) - 17.1/3.7/3.3 .419/.402/.788
I know players don't develop along the same scale, but it would seem crazy to add RJ in a deal for Beal with other assets.
RJ needs to stay here and I would put him ahead of Randle as untouchable in a trade.
Behind Giannis, Kawhi-when 100%, CP3...one could argue Booker & George. I think he's better than Trae right now. He's better than Middleton, Jrue, Ayton.
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on the final four playoff rosters (Bucks, Hawks, Suns and Clippers)?
Behind Giannis, Kawhi-when 100%, CP3...one could argue Booker & George. I think he's better than Trae right now. He's better than Middleton, Jrue, Ayton.
Beal averaged 30 against Philly in the playoffs and kept them in every game.
I would put Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, ahead of Beal. Booker and CP3 on par.
Randle is a little more difficult since he melted in the playoffs.
Behind Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, Booker, CP3, Trae, Middleton.
So basically a 2nd to 3rd option.
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on the final four playoff rosters (Bucks, Hawks, Suns and Clippers)?
Behind Giannis, Kawhi-when 100%, CP3...one could argue Booker & George. I think he's better than Trae right now. He's better than Middleton, Jrue, Ayton.
Beal averaged 30 against Philly in the playoffs and kept them in every game.
I would put Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, ahead of Beal. Booker and CP3 on par.
Randle is a little more difficult since he melted in the playoffs.
Behind Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, Booker, CP3, Trae, Middleton.
So basically a 2nd to 3rd option.
Yeah, not the top option, but if Beal is the 3rd best dude on a team...that team is a juggernaut. I think he'd be a real good sidekick too to the top guy.
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I think him and Murphy are the targets if we trade up. Murphy is a deadly 3 point shooter, a 6'9" guy who can play the 2 or 3, and a really good defensive player. He's also younger than Duarte.
meaning they flip Brown to Knicks
I was feeling the word 'like' in that post, Haha.
If he was 4 years younger he would be a top 8 prospect..
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Knicks are apparently interested in Duarte, and according to this article may trade up for him. Link - ( New Window )
If he was 4 years younger he would be a top 8 prospect..
And if he shot like he did his junior year, he’d be a second round pick or undrafted. I have no problem trading the second rounder to move up and get him. Anything more is too much.
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I don’t think we should be looking at any potential blockbuster trade in a vacuum. I think it’s quite possible the Knicks can add another max after the trade and still have a max in 2022. The Knicks have a shit load of flexibility.
They could wait and take the slow game approach but if and when the star avails himself the Knicks might very well strike. I get the concerns over going all in too soon, but It might not be melo all over again simply because for one thing the Knicks have more cap room and more assets than they had back in 2011.
It’s gonna be fascinating to see what the Knicks do and what they can do.
By the time the Knicks get another superstar - his peak is gone and he's declining.
I see a poster on here clearly stated no superstar free agents ever come available. Then in his very next post, once challenged, he then cited superstars that did become available.
This type of erratic thinking, in particular from the front office and nearly all of the media, has hampered this team's ability to ever produce a title contender in these many years.
The Knicks need to be patient - and sure as hell don't trade Barrett. His best buddy is Zion. Keep acquiring young players.
By the time the Knicks get another superstar - his peak is gone and he's declining.
I see a poster on here clearly stated no superstar free agents ever come available. Then in his very next post, once challenged, he then cited superstars that did become available.
This type of erratic thinking, in particular from the front office and nearly all of the media, has hampered this team's ability to ever produce a title contender in these many years.
The Knicks need to be patient - and sure as hell don't trade Barrett. His best buddy is Zion. Keep acquiring young players.
I never said no superstsrs make it to free agency, i said rarely and then mentioned the rare cases because those guys dont get traded..
a guy like Beal as soon as he asks out will get traded to a place he wants to go to and will resign there...
I believe it. I'd be a big fan. It cements RJ as a 2, which I'm not sure is his best position, but I really like Murphy's game.
I think they're going to try to move up for one of Murphy or Duarte.
Why would Leonard want to play in East Coast? He left so he could go back home. His team almost got to the championship without him. Why would he leave all that?
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This potential trade would do nothing long-term for the Knicks quest to try to win a title.
By the time the Knicks get another superstar - his peak is gone and he's declining.
I see a poster on here clearly stated no superstar free agents ever come available. Then in his very next post, once challenged, he then cited superstars that did become available.
This type of erratic thinking, in particular from the front office and nearly all of the media, has hampered this team's ability to ever produce a title contender in these many years.
The Knicks need to be patient - and sure as hell don't trade Barrett. His best buddy is Zion. Keep acquiring young players.
I never said no superstsrs make it to free agency, i said rarely and then mentioned the rare cases because those guys dont get traded..
a guy like Beal as soon as he asks out will get traded to a place he wants to go to and will resign there...
Okay - so why not wait for the bigtime superstar 1st? Where are you (The Knicks) going without any of them?
If your point is - they won't come/ be available - then what good was getting Beal anyway?
This is the trade I like. 7&14 plus others to make the salaries match for Beal. I like Beal but it’s time for a reboot, and maybe we can hit on one or both of those picks.
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No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Robbie. NyGiants 16 still thinks the Melo trade in 2011 was worth it. He’s operating under the same premise of obliterating a roster for a superstar
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Beal also probably helps get Kawhi, just something to note.
Why would Leonard want to play in East Coast? He left so he could go back home. His team almost got to the championship without him. Why would he leave all that?
Well, supposedly he has lost trust with the training staff/doctors. The same happened in SA, I believe.
Had no idea who Trey Murphy was until this morning, but his tape looks impressive. Wouldn't know he was 6'9 with the way he moves. Would prefer him over Duarte just because of age.
On the mocks, seems a lot of the smaller guards are dropping and the wings are rising. We need guards with skills who can actually shoot and create. Stay put and take your stabs at two of them.
Had no idea who Trey Murphy was until this morning, but his tape looks impressive. Wouldn't know he was 6'9 with the way he moves. Would prefer him over Duarte just because of age.
On the mocks, seems a lot of the smaller guards are dropping and the wings are rising. We need guards with skills who can actually shoot and create. Stay put and take your stabs at two of them.
I'm fine with trading up for Murphy if it is only for pick 32 and maybe a future 2nd as well. At 21 we could get someone like Springer or Cooper or Jackson. I'd prefer a penetrating guard but we most likely need a mitch replacement or backup so Jackson makes sense if they went in that direction.
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Knicks are apparently interested in Duarte, and according to this article may trade up for him. Link - ( New Window )
If he was 4 years younger he would be a top 8 prospect..
That's the issue. He's a grown man playing vs kids a lot younger than he is. If the Knicks were a role player or two a way you draft a 24 year old rd 1. As it is I wouldn't touch him til rd 2. Now another team much deeper would make some sense as he's plug and play. But what u see now is pretty much it.
Agreed. Or use 21 along with taking on Bledsoe to nab the 10th pick.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
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are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
He's not expiring. He's got 2 years left. If he was expiring I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, but you're stuck with him for two shitty seasons and taking up a ton of cap.
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are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
He's not expiring. He's got 2 years left. If he was expiring I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, but you're stuck with him for two shitty seasons and taking up a ton of cap.
It's not an expiring but basically an exipiring. If you release him he counts $3.9 because that is what is guaranteed.
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are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
He's not expiring. He's got 2 years left. If he was expiring I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, but you're stuck with him for two shitty seasons and taking up a ton of cap.
It's not an expiring but basically an exipiring. If you release him he counts $3.9 because that is what is guaranteed.
Ah gotcha, I actually didn't realize that. I guess I'd be more open to it in that case but I still think he mostly just stinks. I'd take him AND 10 basically for free. They can have Knox or maybe 32.
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The Pelicans have 'generated traction' with the Grizzlies in a deal that would send the 10th pick and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis for the Grizzlies' 17th pick, per
@JakeLFischer
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The Pelicans have 'generated traction' with the Grizzlies in a deal that would send the 10th pick and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis for the Grizzlies' 17th pick, per
@JakeLFischer
Nice. Is that a recent tweet?
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@TheNBACentral
The Pelicans have 'generated traction' with the Grizzlies in a deal that would send the 10th pick and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis for the Grizzlies' 17th pick, per
@JakeLFischer
Nice. Is that a recent tweet?
The tweet from NBA Central is, but I don't know when Jake Fischer reported that tidbit
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No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Robbie. NyGiants 16 still thinks the Melo trade in 2011 was worth it. He’s operating under the same premise of obliterating a roster for a superstar
I guess we won’t talk about that the Knicks will probably have two max slots still open AFTER trading for Beal? Including Randle.
Can’t look at the Beal trade in a vacuum. The Knicks basically had one bullet left after the melo trade and it was the amnesty of Billups that led to chandler, tyson.
Can we mention this? The Knicks might make a big trade here and still have 2 slots plus Randle to use. I’m not even screaming to make this trade but we need to stop calling this melo part 2. The Knicks have tons more flexibility and more assets than they had in 2011. Not to mention Randle isn’t living on the borrowed time that stat was living on.
Look at the big picture, not just how the team would look days after dealing for a player like Beal.
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Beal also probably helps get Kawhi, just something to note.
Why would Leonard want to play in East Coast? He left so he could go back home. His team almost got to the championship without him. Why would he leave all that?
Well, supposedly he has lost trust with the training staff/doctors. The same happened in SA, I believe.
Okay - thanks.
Who did the comment come from that he was unhappy with the LA training staff/doctors?
And it's possible he could miss entire 2021-2022 season?
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Agents or the NBA himself. Players of his caliber aren't supposed be on teams like the Wizards
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and he knows he has to do it before thursday,somebody is in his ear advising him..
Agents or the NBA himself. Players of his caliber aren't supposed be on teams like the Wizards
*itself
Lakers are looking for a 3rd top guy who is a distributor and ball handler to take pressure off of Lebron..lowry, derozan and Dinwiddie are 3 names discussed..
also there has been talks with the Kings on a kuzma for Hield deal...
His only mention of the Knicks is what we have already heard, the knicks are trying to use 19 and 21 to move up
Most would. I just think that $3.9 may mess up financials next year? On the surface it looks really good.
A wise man once said
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Who is your superstar you are going to get?
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
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There’s a distinct possibly this is possible:
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Who is your superstar you are going to get?
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
I think the idea is that this front office is bright enough to have other things lined up before making a deal like that. Of course we don’t know that yet, but just because WE don’t know what the plan is doesn’t mean there isn’t a plan.
So the Pacers at 13 look like the first target to jump up for one of those guys.
Just a hunch but I think we're going to end up with Oubre. I think it'll be a wildly unpopular move but you're buying low on him after a bad fit on GSW and I think if the money is right it could be a good add.
Just a hunch but I think we're going to end up with Oubre. I think it'll be a wildly unpopular move but you're buying low on him after a bad fit on GSW and I think if the money is right it could be a good add.
Oubra is a Thibs type of player defensively his 3 pt shooting was strong the 2nd half of the season and is only 25 but there are rumors he is looking for 20 million.
It might take a 4 year 60 million deal. I can't see paying him that with him being a below average shooter away from the rim.
I would resign Bullock first for 10 million per.
So the Pacers at 13 look like the first target to jump up for one of those guys.
GS wants to trade the pick though so that's another option.
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and Murphy also going 14 and 15 in the latest ESPN mock.
So the Pacers at 13 look like the first target to jump up for one of those guys.
GS wants to trade the pick though so that's another option.
I would be surprised if GS would want 19 and 21, adding that many rookies just doesn't seem like a good fit.
I think 15 and 16 are in play and maybe 11 with Charlotte.
Not too many teams willing to take on that many rookies.
Throw 19 and next year's Dallas pick might be enticing enough to a team in 10 to 15.
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and Murphy also going 14 and 15 in the latest ESPN mock.
So the Pacers at 13 look like the first target to jump up for one of those guys.
GS wants to trade the pick though so that's another option.
I would be surprised if GS would want 19 and 21, adding that many rookies just doesn't seem like a good fit.
I think 15 and 16 are in play and maybe 11 with Charlotte.
Not too many teams willing to take on that many rookies.
Throw 19 and next year's Dallas pick might be enticing enough to a team in 10 to 15.
You misinterpreted what I was saying. GS wants to trade 7 and 14 for a starter level player. They tried for some big time players but not even a nibble. In no way was I suggesting GS would trade 14 to us for 19 and 21. I wouldn't do that from the Knicks perspective and GS wouldn't do it from their perspective. My point was if GS does trade out then that is most likely one less team that would take Murphy or Duarte.
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Who is your superstar you are going to get?
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
I think the idea is that this front office is bright enough to have other things lined up before making a deal like that. Of course we don’t know that yet, but just because WE don’t know what the plan is doesn’t mean there isn’t a plan.
I hope so.
Oubra is a Thibs type of player defensively his 3 pt shooting was strong the 2nd half of the season
Nope. He was 30-98 after the All Star break, 30.6%, a tick below his 31.6% for the season.
He did get off to a horrendous start, so he had to be above average sometime. But that was from mid-January to late February and he did not sustain the trend in the second half.
That's the way stats are. In big picture, he is 32.6% from 3 pt for his career and has shot 32.5% or below four of the last five seasons.
Not a lot of mystery there.
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Had people on both the agent and team sides say they expect a record number of trades this offseason. Poor FA class, limited cap space, teams wanting to go for it are all the main reasons why.
Also mentioned: revenue losses weren't as bad as projected. Teams are willing to spend.
I love chris Paul but I’m not interested in giving him a 3 year $120 million deal.
My view on the team is unless they get a top 20 type of player they will take a small step back next year. Randle played out of his mind and the whole team went hard every minute for the whole season, which isn’t sustainable. Still see them as a 7 or 8 seed, I just don’t see the big offseason splash that we are all hoping for, which I am fine with. Let these guys all develop for another year and see which star is disgruntled next offseason. Maybe the nets blow up, maybe Klay isn’t back to form and GS has to break it up and start over, who knows.
I feel like what they are going to do is oretty wide open right now..
Who is Raheem Palmer? Did he mention what the deal looked like?
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take FWIW but he said Knicks were close to getting Beal last year but it fell apart because Beal didnt want to be traded during a pandemic...
Who is Raheem Palmer? Did he mention what the deal looked like?
I just listened to a clip of it, gonna go back and listen to the episode, i dont think he did..
Lookong at his profile he has a blue check, says he is a dj/producer, he did mention he has a few sources with espn and was a writer...so who knows
there was a rumor that wes was working back channels to get Beal to ask out and leave
If you can have a starting 5 of:
PG - Rose/free agent/Rookie
SG - Beal
SF - Barrett
PF - Randle
C - Mitch
Bench
Quickley
Vets
And then cap space next year that is a pretty good situation to be in
I think it'll be moot either way and the Warriors will give some combo of 7/14/Weisman/Wiggins and get a deal done.
If/when it is reported he wants out that wont be the first time the Wizards were told..
I think it'll be moot either way and the Warriors will give some combo of 7/14/Weisman/Wiggins and get a deal done.
I dont think the warriors offer is some spectacular offer..
mid lottery and late lottery..
Wiseman could be very good but it is qll projection..
and wiggins on a big deal is the definition of average
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can be choosers, but I think Beal is a top 20 guy, not a true top 10 guy.
I think it'll be moot either way and the Warriors will give some combo of 7/14/Weisman/Wiggins and get a deal done.
I dont think the warriors offer is some spectacular offer..
mid lottery and late lottery..
Wiseman could be very good but it is qll projection..
and wiggins on a big deal is the definition of average
I agree, I don't think it's great, but can the Knicks beat that? Can anyone -- maybe the Celtics if they include Jaylen Brown.
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can be choosers, but I think Beal is a top 20 guy, not a true top 10 guy.
I think it'll be moot either way and the Warriors will give some combo of 7/14/Weisman/Wiggins and get a deal done.
I dont think the warriors offer is some spectacular offer..
mid lottery and late lottery..
Wiseman could be very good but it is qll projection..
and wiggins on a big deal is the definition of average
I agree, I don't think it's great, but can the Knicks beat that? Can anyone -- maybe the Celtics if they include Jaylen Brown.
if Knicks put Rj, 19 and 21, 22 swap and a 23rd is that better?
so it comes down to Rj vs wiseman and if wizards want wiggins or cap space
so it comes down to Rj vs wiseman and if wizards want wiggins or cap space
I don't think the Warriors have a huge trump card offer. I think RJ is a far better asset than Wiseman. And the 7th and 14th picks are nice but not a huge game changer in this draft. I do think if they include their future 1st way out and the Memphis pick help big time.
But if Beal is available the competition is going to be steep. He fits on every team in the NBA and is a 27 year old All NBA player that is an elite shooter/ averaging 30 a game.
I do hope the Knicks get involved in the Pelicans trade talks with Bledsoe and the 10th pick. He hasn't been good but he's not a complete dud- good backup guard.
Height: 6' 10" | Weight: 205 | Age: 19 | Freshman
The Knicks have made attempts to move up into the late lottery by combining their two first-round selections, sources say, and could still find a suitable move going into draft night, whether that’s acquiring NBA talent, or moving around in the draft. New York has also been the team most frequently linked to Jackson over the course of the predraft process, noting the team’s demonstrable penchant for Kentucky players. While Jackson is inarguably raw and not particularly skilled, he’s an exceptional athlete, and flashed enough intriguing things during the season to solidify first-round interest. The hope is that Jackson will emerge as a rim-running center who protects the basket, but he’s not particularly reliable yet and viewed as more of a project. He’s an acquired taste for some scouts, who question his offensive acumen and feel.
21. Knicks (from Mavericks): Usman Garuba, F/C, Real Madrid (Spain)
Height: 6' 8" | Weight: 230 | Age: 19
Teams are all over the board on Garuba, who has one of the most intriguing defensive profiles in the draft, but is lagging behind in terms of offensive skills at this point, leading to questions over what his eventual role might be on that end of the floor. The Knicks have a defensive-minded head coach in Tom Thibodeau, and could be intrigued by what Garuba has to offer. He’s exceptionally well-tested for his age, having cut his teeth in Real Madrid’s senior team and the Spanish national team, and he should have utility as a physical, switchable ball screen defender who can guard all over the frontcourt. But teams are concerned about how far away he might be on offense, and it’s possible he slips into the 20s.
Me too. Any deal for Beal with RJ in it is a no go for me
I would also say Beal has very little if any help on offense and those shots he takes are typically tough. He's not getting a ton of open looks.
Maybe he's not truly elite but he has the potential to get close to 50/40/90 which not many players are capable of. Especially players that can average 30 a game and hold up on defense.
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we're calling beal an elite NBA shooter then hes a career 37.5% three point shooter and hasn't topped 35.5% since 2017. Meanwhile sexton is a career 38.5% three point shooter and no one calls him an elite shooter. beal is certainly very good but he definitely has some volume shooter to his game.
I would also say Beal has very little if any help on offense and those shots he takes are typically tough. He's not getting a ton of open looks.
Maybe he's not truly elite but he has the potential to get close to 50/40/90 which not many players are capable of. Especially players that can average 30 a game and hold up on defense.
It goes both ways too. He scores more because he has to. On a championship caliber team his ppg will not he 30.
No one thinks or should think Sexton does what Beal does.
I'm just curious how that would even play out. We aren't waiting until he could potentially hit FA in 2024. If we go the trade route we need to have legit pieces to trade.
Him and Oubre are very hard passes for me personally.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Knicks have until the draft to use their 2020 cap space right? I really hope they can utilize it for an asset.
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There’s a distinct possibly this is possible:
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Who is your superstar you are going to get?
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
I just spelled it out. I said we'd sign Ball, trade for Beal, and still have Randle's hold (maybe) and have max room in 2022. What's not to like with this scenario?
Whether we get a super star in 22 or not, we'd still have flexibility.
I am not even screaming to make this move but everyone keeps looking at the beal signing in a vacuum. There's more to it. We need to look deeper and stop screaming Melo part 2 every time someone wants to trade for a super star.
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Him and Oubre are very hard passes for me personally.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Knicks have until the draft to use their 2020 cap space right? I really hope they can utilize it for an asset.
yup 13 million in space
The Knicks have a shit load of assets and room to operate. There's risks in dealing for a star, there's also risks in not doing so and sticking with all these kids.
If you can trade one of RJB and IQ and a bunch of young crap for Beal and STILL have room to add 1-2 max players and re-sign Randle? What am I missing here? That team contends.
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
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The Knicks have a shit load of assets and room to operate. There's risks in dealing for a star, there's also risks in not doing so and sticking with all these kids.
If you can trade one of RJB and IQ and a bunch of young crap for Beal and STILL have room to add 1-2 max players and re-sign Randle? What am I missing here? That team contends.
Because we may have a star in Barrett. What he has done at 20 is remarkable. And Beal is good but not a superstar. Beal and Randle aren't winning shit and that could easily backfire with a bad season. Yes, it could work out but I'm not hanging my hat on Randle and Beal.
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I read NO is very interested which would mean they wouldn't match anything on Ball so you could technically give him a low offer.
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How does that work?
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
But what does that matter for the Knicks? They are under the cap so it sounds like it doesn't carry over like the NFL. So what is the advantage of it? I can see if a team has more space for right now and is over the cap come Thursday but I don't see how that helps us.
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How does that work?
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
But what does that matter for the Knicks? They are under the cap so it sounds like it doesn't carry over like the NFL. So what is the advantage of it? I can see if a team has more space for right now and is over the cap come Thursday but I don't see how that helps us.
because you can make a deal now that other teams cant, so before the draft it gives them more flexibility in trades..
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How does that work?
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
But what does that matter for the Knicks? They are under the cap so it sounds like it doesn't carry over like the NFL. So what is the advantage of it? I can see if a team has more space for right now and is over the cap come Thursday but I don't see how that helps us.
because you can make a deal now that other teams cant, so before the draft it gives them more flexibility in trades..
Give me an example.
I’m interested in seeing what RJ adds to his game next year. A mid-range back to the basket game perhaps? He just needs to realize he should finish in the paint with power, angle, and being a lefty and not with speed or by jumping over people, and he will be fine. Of course, the outside shot needs to continue to improve too.
I’m interested in seeing what RJ adds to his game next year. A mid-range back to the basket game perhaps? He just needs to realize he should finish in the paint with power, angle, and being a lefty and not with speed or by jumping over people, and he will be fine. Of course, the outside shot needs to continue to improve too.
He started off the first 12 games of the year shooting 21% from 3. There were months where he was shooting near 50% from 3. I am not worried about his outside shot at all.
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How does that work?
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
But what does that matter for the Knicks? They are under the cap so it sounds like it doesn't carry over like the NFL. So what is the advantage of it? I can see if a team has more space for right now and is over the cap come Thursday but I don't see how that helps us.
because you can make a deal now that other teams cant, so before the draft it gives them more flexibility in trades..
Give me an example.
so for example Bledsoe and 10 for 19...knicks could make that deal now based off of 16.7 million rather than his 18 next year and have that pick if they want to keep it or flip it..
rather than waiting until free agency and making it more complicated during the draft to flip the 10th pick..
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How does that work?
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
But what does that matter for the Knicks? They are under the cap so it sounds like it doesn't carry over like the NFL. So what is the advantage of it? I can see if a team has more space for right now and is over the cap come Thursday but I don't see how that helps us.
because you can make a deal now that other teams cant, so before the draft it gives them more flexibility in trades..
Give me an example.
so for example Bledsoe and 10 for 19...knicks could make that deal now based off of 16.7 million rather than his 18 next year and have that pick if they want to keep it or flip it..
rather than waiting until free agency and making it more complicated during the draft to flip the 10th pick..
But, like I said, it doesn't really matter if it was last year's rules or this year's rules. We'd be able to make that move. I don't see that as an advantage for anyone outside of a team that was under the cap to being over the cap the following year. I get what you are saying. It is just beneficial as opposed to other teams who aren't under the cap.
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are so scared of making that trade or signing. not every trade is Melo all over again.
The Knicks have a shit load of assets and room to operate. There's risks in dealing for a star, there's also risks in not doing so and sticking with all these kids.
If you can trade one of RJB and IQ and a bunch of young crap for Beal and STILL have room to add 1-2 max players and re-sign Randle? What am I missing here? That team contends.
Because we may have a star in Barrett. What he has done at 20 is remarkable. And Beal is good but not a superstar. Beal and Randle aren't winning shit and that could easily backfire with a bad season. Yes, it could work out but I'm not hanging my hat on Randle and Beal.
Selling Beal a little short here no?
This isn't aimed at you specifically but some Knicks fans seem way to reluctant to make a trade. No players are perfect and homegrown guys always seem to be overrated by the fanbase. But you win in the NBA with the top players and if you have a chance to get a top 15-20 guy, in my opinion you do what it takes to land them.
Just look at 3 of the recent top 10 picks on the roster. Picks and young players can be vastly overrated...
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How does that work?
up until the new leaguebyear they operate under the salary for the previous year..
when a player is traded it is based on last season not next year..
But what does that matter for the Knicks? They are under the cap so it sounds like it doesn't carry over like the NFL. So what is the advantage of it? I can see if a team has more space for right now and is over the cap come Thursday but I don't see how that helps us.
because you can make a deal now that other teams cant, so before the draft it gives them more flexibility in trades..
Give me an example.
so for example Bledsoe and 10 for 19...knicks could make that deal now based off of 16.7 million rather than his 18 next year and have that pick if they want to keep it or flip it..
rather than waiting until free agency and making it more complicated during the draft to flip the 10th pick..
But, like I said, it doesn't really matter if it was last year's rules or this year's rules. We'd be able to make that move. I don't see that as an advantage for anyone outside of a team that was under the cap to being over the cap the following year. I get what you are saying. It is just beneficial as opposed to other teams who aren't under the cap.
i guess more convenient than advantage..
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The two teams that could really shake things up are the Knicks and Thunder. Both have significant financial flexibility to absorb bad contracts as well as multiple picks to package and potentially move up. Their front offices will likely be busy fielding calls this week.
Your opinion of Obi might be different than theirs though. Imagine if they'd sold on Knox after his rookie year? He isn't going to get the minutes to really improve his trade value all that much anyways barring an injury to Randle. Unless they think Obi can be an all-star (doubtful) then now is a good time to trade him while he's still got 3 years left on his rookie deal.
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are so scared of making that trade or signing. not every trade is Melo all over again.
The Knicks have a shit load of assets and room to operate. There's risks in dealing for a star, there's also risks in not doing so and sticking with all these kids.
If you can trade one of RJB and IQ and a bunch of young crap for Beal and STILL have room to add 1-2 max players and re-sign Randle? What am I missing here? That team contends.
Because we may have a star in Barrett. What he has done at 20 is remarkable. And Beal is good but not a superstar. Beal and Randle aren't winning shit and that could easily backfire with a bad season. Yes, it could work out but I'm not hanging my hat on Randle and Beal.
Totally fair. I don't want to deal RJB either. I don't even know if I want to deal assets for Beal at all, but I think we need be open minded to what could lie ahead if they dealt for Beal or any other star. There's no way the Knicks deal for Beal and then just stop making moves. They'd still have room for more.
"Beal and Randle aren't winning shit"
No kidding?
If we trade for BEal, that doesn't mean the team is finished product and it's all on with Randle, Beal and pray for rain.
Trading for Beal isn't the final move!!
Trade for BEal. Sign BAll. Have room for more in 2022.
Tell me that team goes nowhere.
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An injury, a bad season, etc. and what max will want to sign here? I love the direction this team is going. And I will say this a million times. This is the NBA, stars are available multiple times every year. Trying to go with the quick fix now is shortsighted. I think Obi can be a really good player for us. Why would I want to sell him for pennies on the dollar? Why would I want to give up on RJ when he would be one of the youngest players in this upcoming draft? RJ's ceiling is great. Why can't we be patient and keep developing our players?
Trade for BEal. Sign BAll. Have room for more in 2022.
Tell me that team goes nowhere.
I'd rather wait on the $ for next year than pay Lonzo ~$20M/year if they're going to trade for Beal. With Beal and Randle in NYC they'd be one of, if not the top destination for stars looking to get out so I'd want to keep a max or near max spot open.
Knicks trade 10th pick, 21st pick, Dallas 23 pick and Obi to Toronto for the 4th overall pick to take Suggs.
Any chance Toronto does that? Would you do that? I would guess it would take another future 1st for Toronto to even think about it. I am personally just very high on Suggs.
By all indications so far, they're not all that interested in him. I disagree though with that premise. I'm still skeptical the Pelicans let him walk but if they do it will be because they want cap flexibility to pair Zion with another star which if they pay Lonzo ~$20M will be impossible without trading Ingram.
Knicks trade 10th pick, 21st pick, Dallas 23 pick and Obi to Toronto for the 4th overall pick to take Suggs.
Any chance Toronto does that? Would you do that? I would guess it would take another future 1st for Toronto to even think about it. I am personally just very high on Suggs.
I would do that yeah. Dont think the Raptors would touch it though.
Point is, Beal wouldn't be the final move here. Not by a long shot.
We can wait. We can sit on RJB or IQ and Obi and all these picks and see what comes of it, but that comes with risk too. And I don't agree that stars spring free every year. Guys like Beal are not available every year. He's well under 30 and averaging 30 and might be available. That's rare.
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
Knicks trade 10th pick, 21st pick, Dallas 23 pick and Obi to Toronto for the 4th overall pick to take Suggs.
Any chance Toronto does that? Would you do that? I would guess it would take another future 1st for Toronto to even think about it. I am personally just very high on Suggs.
it's not enough to move up to #1. Maybe if this was the Anthony Bennett draft year. But you don't see trades like this in the NBA because the probability of getting a star or solid regular drastically decreases the further you move down in the lottery.
They need a total rebuild and the time is right for it.
They finally got out of the Wall deal and they can go the thunder route and build a ton of picks and cap room.
They can't win with those 2 and no one is coming to Washington to play with them.
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Knicks trade 19, Knox to NOLA for Bledsoe and 10th pick.
Knicks trade 10th pick, 21st pick, Dallas 23 pick and Obi to Toronto for the 4th overall pick to take Suggs.
Any chance Toronto does that? Would you do that? I would guess it would take another future 1st for Toronto to even think about it. I am personally just very high on Suggs.
it's not enough to move up to #1. Maybe if this was the Anthony Bennett draft year. But you don't see trades like this in the NBA because the probability of getting a star or solid regular drastically decreases the further you move down in the lottery.
Yeah but in this scenario its moving up from 10th to 4th overall- 6 spots. And you are including the 21st overall pick, the Dallas pick in 2023 and Toppin. I think it would take another future 1st round pick but Toronto probably still says no. I think its unlikely but I don't think its an unreasonable offer...
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Knicks trade 19, Knox to NOLA for Bledsoe and 10th pick.
Knicks trade 10th pick, 21st pick, Dallas 23 pick and Obi to Toronto for the 4th overall pick to take Suggs.
Any chance Toronto does that? Would you do that? I would guess it would take another future 1st for Toronto to even think about it. I am personally just very high on Suggs.
it's not enough to move up to #1. Maybe if this was the Anthony Bennett draft year. But you don't see trades like this in the NBA because the probability of getting a star or solid regular drastically decreases the further you move down in the lottery.
Yeah but in this scenario its moving up from 10th to 4th overall- 6 spots. And you are including the 21st overall pick, the Dallas pick in 2023 and Toppin. I think it would take another future 1st round pick but Toronto probably still says no. I think its unlikely but I don't think its an unreasonable offer...
ah, my mistake. Moving to 4 from 10 is obviously more realistic. That might actually be close to a fair offer.
Man, as a GS fan I don't really want this. I would leave to have a chance to see Jordan Poole, Wiseman, and either 1 or 2 rookies they draft develop.
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to make a big splash - specifically Beal - and suddenly Beal is considering a trade request this week? I think we know where this one is headed….
Man, as a GS fan I don't really want this. I would leave to have a chance to see Jordan Poole, Wiseman, and either 1 or 2 rookies they draft develop.
Tough spot to be in, do you build vets around Klay, Curry, and Green for one more run or build kids around them for the future.
Curry is 34, Klay and Green are 31 it looks like GS is in win now mode.
Washington only has Westbrook and Bertans with very little young talent
The Knicks are a better option with Randle, RJ and cap space.
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but I don't know why Beal would agree to go to the Knicks (no offense). Seems like a lateral move at best.
Washington only has Westbrook and Bertans with very little young talent
The Knicks are a better option with Randle, RJ and cap space.
But is there any realistic road to the (conference) finals in the near future for him. In Philadelphia and Miami and potentially even Boston, he likely could see at least an opening with him on the team.
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but I don't know why Beal would agree to go to the Knicks (no offense). Seems like a lateral move at best.
Washington only has Westbrook and Bertans with very little young talent
The Knicks are a better option with Randle, RJ and cap space.
But is there any realistic road to the (conference) finals in the near future for him. In Philadelphia and Miami and potentially even Boston, he likely could see at least an opening with him on the team.
Knicks would also habe cap space to either add a 3rd star or 2 very good players..
Philly, miami and Boston would be capped out
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to make a big splash - specifically Beal - and suddenly Beal is considering a trade request this week? I think we know where this one is headed….
Man, as a GS fan I don't really want this. I would leave to have a chance to see Jordan Poole, Wiseman, and either 1 or 2 rookies they draft develop.
Tough spot to be in, do you build vets around Klay, Curry, and Green for one more run or build kids around them for the future.
Curry is 34, Klay and Green are 31 it looks like GS is in win now mode.
Right, and it's certainly no guarantee that Klay will return to form an be a contributor. I get it from a win-now perspective.
I just think it's super gratifying to watch player development from my seat as a fan, and I just don't want Wiseman to go anywhere.
Its funny, I had the same comp in my head. He's not an exact match but so many similarities.
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BREAKING: Memphis is finalizing a trade to send Jonas Valanciunas and 2021 Nos. 17 and 51 picks to New Orleans for Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 2021 picks Nos. 10 and 40 and a protected 2022 first-round pick via the Lakers, sources tell ESPN.
wow taking on both Adams and Bledsoe
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
I wish I knew. Gun to head I think RJB becomes a star, but it's a tough one to figure. I love that he became a good spot up 3 pt shooter. Can he take yet another leap? As of now he's a solid player.
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BREAKING: Memphis is finalizing a trade to send Jonas Valanciunas and 2021 Nos. 17 and 51 picks to New Orleans for Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 2021 picks Nos. 10 and 40 and a protected 2022 first-round pick via the Lakers, sources tell ESPN.
I just read that 5x and I still can't figure out what's happening in this deal.
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New Orleans creates salary cap space for August that allows them to either match an offer sheet on Lonzo Ball, or have the cap space to pursue a significant free agent point guard, including Kyle Lowry and others. Pels liked Valanciunas as floor spacer at center over Adams, too.
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if you think he is going to be a star you 100% keep him, but if you think he is just going to be a good player eventually he will become kverpaid...
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
I wish I knew. Gun to head I think RJB becomes a star, but it's a tough one to figure. I love that he became a good spot up 3 pt shooter. Can he take yet another leap? As of now he's a solid player.
I hope you're right but the below average handle and average athleticism concern me. By all accounts his work ethic/attitude are great - so I'm confident he's going to achieve the best possible version of himself, but I just don't know what the ceiling is. What star player might he compare to?
It's rumored he's indicated they are his first choice.
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probably would bave to be 2 years 70 million to have a shot if 3 years 90 is what he thinks he can get
id rather try to spread out the cap hit as much as possible
No chance. Two years, sure but he's 35 years old. His play could fall off a cliff at any time.
fuck no.
Forget the quality of play, I just don't think he'll play anything close to 82 games.
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if you think he is going to be a star you 100% keep him, but if you think he is just going to be a good player eventually he will become kverpaid...
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
I wish I knew. Gun to head I think RJB becomes a star, but it's a tough one to figure. I love that he became a good spot up 3 pt shooter. Can he take yet another leap? As of now he's a solid player.
I hope you're right but the below average handle and average athleticism concern me. By all accounts his work ethic/attitude are great - so I'm confident he's going to achieve the best possible version of himself, but I just don't know what the ceiling is. What star player might he compare to?
I was hoping someone else would come up with one lol. I guess Jimmy butler has a better handle? Paul Pierce? The lack of explosiveness is a concern to be sure. And he’s not exactly a dead eye shooter.
I can be swayed either way on RJ. What I do love is how he fills the box score and defends. That should only improve as he progresses but his scoring prowess and potential? Who knows...maybe what you see is what you get?
God no. He has a ring &-I suspect-is just looking for one more payday.
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if you think he is going to be a star you 100% keep him, but if you think he is just going to be a good player eventually he will become kverpaid...
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
I wish I knew. Gun to head I think RJB becomes a star, but it's a tough one to figure. I love that he became a good spot up 3 pt shooter. Can he take yet another leap? As of now he's a solid player.
I hope you're right but the below average handle and average athleticism concern me. By all accounts his work ethic/attitude are great - so I'm confident he's going to achieve the best possible version of himself, but I just don't know what the ceiling is. What star player might he compare to?
I was hoping someone else would come up with one lol. I guess Jimmy butler has a better handle? Paul Pierce? The lack of explosiveness is a concern to be sure. And he’s not exactly a dead eye shooter.
I can be swayed either way on RJ. What I do love is how he fills the box score and defends. That should only improve as he progresses but his scoring prowess and potential? Who knows...maybe what you see is what you get?
RJ started the season off miserably from 3. The second half of the season he was as “dead eye” as any player in the league. It’s strange to me that we put stigmas on 20 year old based more on what they do early than late. I feel like no matter how well Barrett shoots at this point, he will always be questioned on his shooting ability. He was 20. And improved significantly over an extended period of time
It depends what that something is and what they give uo
I know you had some info before. Anything more you've heard?
That’s been their pattern over the years - new regime plays it conservative in year one and then panics a bit if a quick fix doesn’t present itself by year two. Difference this time is this regime actually had success in year one - hopefully that allows them to be more prudent.
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Sounds like Ball to Chicago is gaining steam
Why do you have to be so cryptic with you posts? Just say what you want to say.
Are the Knicks not linked to every player available.
Now it's Lowery and DeRozan big 1 year deals.
I don't hate it with the FA available in 2022.
Lowery, RJ, DeRozan, Randle, and Robinson is a solid 5.
For 1 year.
Plus draft well and have plenty of cap in 2022.
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Sounds like Ball to Chicago is gaining steam
Rumor is that NO cleared cap to match Ball offers
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Sounds like Ball to Chicago is gaining steam
Rumor is that NO cleared cap to match Ball offers
they are going hard after Lowry, they didnt need to clear cap to match Ball
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Sounds like Ball to Chicago is gaining steam
Rumor is that NO cleared cap to match Ball offers
I call bullshit on that. They probably won't have enough space. They, imo, are done with Ball. They did this to go all in on Lowry and go after some smaller pieces.
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Sounds like Ball to Chicago is gaining steam
Rumor is that NO cleared cap to match Ball offers
I call bullshit on that. They probably won't have enough space. They, imo, are done with Ball. They did this to go all in on Lowry and go after some smaller pieces.
They have 36 million available if they let Hart and Ball walk.
25 million if they resign Hart which ESPN say they are trying to do.
That doesn't leave enough for Lowery.(25 million)
25 million does get them the match for Ball. Just ESPN speculation.
Also, the reports that were out were that they'd sign Lowry and Ball and that is BS imo.
Holy shit. This deserves its own thread larry.
Sorry fake account.
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Sorry fake account.
Said Toronto turned the deal down
Haha. No offense but who would believe that. Hahahahaha. Simmons is afraid to shoot and is embarrassed to work on his shot.
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Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
obi is nothing, the only reason he is worth anything is because he was a 1st round oick last year..
Mitch is due for a pay day, you oaying him 12 to 15 million a year? Knicks were fine without him..
So, Noel is a FA who already has said he's going to the highest bidder & although he was great last year,playing extended minutes got him hurt on numerous occasions, so I doubt he's back.He also wants to be a starter. Now,some team will pay him to do so, but it won't be the Knicks. So,without Mitch, our centers are Gibson(37 & hopefully returning) & Norvel Pelle. So,will the Knicks be fine without Mitch & those 2 being the centers????
That would have been a complete heist by Philly. I still feel we are heading for a Simmons for Lillard trade.
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"'It's going to take a f--king lot to get him, but he's no longer impossible to get,' said one team executive
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Shai Gilgeous-Alexander could be had via trade. 👀
"'It's going to take a f--king lot to get him, but he's no longer impossible to get,' said one team executive
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This is the guy to get.
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"'It's going to take a f--king lot to get him, but he's no longer impossible to get,' said one team executive
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This is the guy to get.
They offered him and 6 for the first pick. We aren't getting him.
That means any higher and we are probably offering more.
There was a report yesterday that GS was having no luck trading those picks so as of 2:00 yesterday they planned on making those picks. The report said that maybe at 2:45 that could change because you never know. But, yeah, why would GS want more draft picks lower in the draft. They don't seem like an ideal candidate.
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There was a report yesterday that GS was having no luck trading those picks so as of 2:00 yesterday they planned on making those picks. The report said that maybe at 2:45 that could change because you never know. But, yeah, why would GS want more draft picks lower in the draft. They don't seem like an ideal candidate.
yeah they arent a team looking for more picks..
No but I'd give everything up to that.
Mitch, Obi, Picks, IQ, all on the table.
I'd do it. I like both players about equally, but it's harder to get a good point guard than a good wing.
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The Knicks are interested in signing Kyle Lowry to a 2-year deal ranging between $20-30M per year.
The Knicks are also pursuing Evan Fournier & Spencer Dinwiddie. Fournier was mentioned to be on the Knicks radar during the trade deadline.
They likely would want more than RJ. Would you give up more than RJ?
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No but I'd give everything up to that.
Mitch, Obi, Picks, IQ, all on the table.
Shai, RJ, and Randle would be awesome going forward. Add Beal or Lavine next offseason...
Yes without a doubt. Is that a rumor ?
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Yes without a doubt. Is that a rumor ?
No there is a rumor that shai is available but for a crazy price
100%. It's a no brainer imo. RJ could wind up having the better career but SGA is already a star and is only getting better. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush and all that. He's more versatile than RJ and his efficiency last year was very impressive when you consider who he was playing with.
I would try and hold on to RJ but give up Mitch, Obi, Quickley, and boat load of picks.
Would still have cap to go after a max +.
I would do this over Dame/Beal/Levine deals
I prefer Powell to Fournier but he's not a bad fallback option. I have my doubts that they're interested in Fournier given that they could've acquired him at the deadline for pennies to see how he'd fit up close and personal and chose not to.
-Pistons reportedly turned down SGA and 6 for #1
-Warriors turned down 19 and 21 for 14 per Wasserman
-2 different writers have told me the price to move up is much higher than some previous seasons with teams trying to attach bad contracts or asking for prices higher than recent years.
-Spears says the Knicks are one of "many" teams in on DeRozan
-Pompey has a similar report in regard to Lowry. One writer told me his gut tells him Lowry is #1 on the Knicks wishlist
-Pistons reportedly turned down SGA and 6 for #1
-Warriors turned down 19 and 21 for 14 per Wasserman
-2 different writers have told me the price to move up is much higher than some previous seasons with teams trying to attach bad contracts or asking for prices higher than recent years.
-Spears says the Knicks are one of "many" teams in on DeRozan
-Pompey has a similar report in regard to Lowry. One writer told me his gut tells him Lowry is #1 on the Knicks wishlist
Not surprised about Lowry, you know Thibs is pushing for a vet atarter at point
I'd say so. Lowry is a much better defender and outside shooter. He's also a better passer than Rose is at this stage of their careers.
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if you think he is going to be a star you 100% keep him, but if you think he is just going to be a good player eventually he will become kverpaid...
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
I wish I knew. Gun to head I think RJB becomes a star, but it's a tough one to figure. I love that he became a good spot up 3 pt shooter. Can he take yet another leap? As of now he's a solid player.
I hope you're right but the below average handle and average athleticism concern me. By all accounts his work ethic/attitude are great - so I'm confident he's going to achieve the best possible version of himself, but I just don't know what the ceiling is. What star player might he compare to?
I was hoping someone else would come up with one lol. I guess Jimmy butler has a better handle? Paul Pierce? The lack of explosiveness is a concern to be sure. And he’s not exactly a dead eye shooter.
I can be swayed either way on RJ. What I do love is how he fills the box score and defends. That should only improve as he progresses but his scoring prowess and potential? Who knows...maybe what you see is what you get?
RJ started the season off miserably from 3. The second half of the season he was as “dead eye” as any player in the league. It’s strange to me that we put stigmas on 20 year old based more on what they do early than late. I feel like no matter how well Barrett shoots at this point, he will always be questioned on his shooting ability. He was 20. And improved significantly over an extended period of time
When I say dead eye I mean being able to shoot off the dribble. RJB aint there yet, not saying he can't get there. But he's no Ray Allen. Not that many are.
I am not trying to knock RJB or stir up a debate at all. Just playing a little devil's advocate in regards to any proposed Beal trade.
Lowry can play starter minutes and rose can..
Rose has done a nice job changing his game but he cant shoot like Lowry, lowry is stronger..
Older players can be highly lucrative and helpful to the cause. We were afraid of Chris PAul last year. He helped lead the Suns to the finals.
The Knicks are in a perfect spot to offer up 1 year monster deals. It doesn't impact 2022 and you're improving the team for 2021.
Murphy has risen up the mock-draft boards from an early second-round pick last month. Williford (Murphy’s coach at Virginia) believes, according to his intel, his name will be called between 17 and 30.
Six weeks ago, Murphy, listed at a still-light 206 pounds, wasn’t sure he’d stay in the draft.
Murphy shot 43.3 percent from 3-point range and averaged 11.3 points in his lone season with Virginia in 2020-21. He also shot 92.7 percent from the free-throw line.
“He can guard multiple positions — 2-to-4 for sure — and sometimes 1-to-4 with all the switching,’’ Williford said. “I see him as a floor spacer. Cam Johnson [of Phoenix] comes to mind. Similar size, similar ability to shoot the ball. He’s that wing-hybrid forward.’’
He didn't shoot that many threes, but his % was high, and his % on FTs is amazing. 92.7%! That of course signals well for his 3 pointer.
I would think that moving from 19 to 15 or so could be done for the two #1 picks or a little less, leaving them the valuable #32, for backup pg or backup big.
Still leaves the need for a pg, of course. And a big wing would be nice, too.
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Cade could be a star but no way his value is that high, I don’t think I’d take him over SGA straight up at this point. I don’t buy that rumor at all.
It depends on how big the 1 year deal is. I believe a team could offer up to something like $39M on a 1 year deal. If it's that or sign for 2 years at $25M or something like that he could bet on himself earning another 1 year or 2 year deal next year and make quite a bit more money.
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has no incentive to take a 1-year deal. He's eligible for up to 3 years and will almost certainly take at least 2.
It depends on how big the 1 year deal is. I believe a team could offer up to something like $39M on a 1 year deal. If it's that or sign for 2 years at $25M or something like that he could bet on himself earning another 1 year or 2 year deal next year and make quite a bit more money.
Well he apparently was looking for 2 years starting at 25 per, so it sure seems as if that's going to be the minimum of his ask now.
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Stephen A. said the same thing, but he's....Stephen A.
Stein is legit through. Let's go Dame - you've been loyal enough to Portland. Come get bounced in the first round in NY.
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Stephen A. said the same thing, but he's....Stephen A.
Stein is legit through. Let's go Dame - you've been loyal enough to Portland. Come get bounced in the first round in NY.
I jjst dont see him asking out right now
they would never do that- Reddish is very well liked for super high potential in a lot of circles- can defend and score and shoot.
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He'll go where he wants to go if the James Harden saga taught us anything. The question is how many teams are on his list? Of the teams you mentioned, Denver could put a nice package together. Philly could if they want Simmons or if a third team would trade enough for Simmons to make it work. The Knicks could put together a better package than Miami though. Herro is their main trade chip and his value has plummeted.
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until he officially asks out? lol
Haha. Perhaps. He's a fantastic talent who is under contract for awhile. And he'd be the toast of NYC. A 1-2 of Dame & Randle is a damn good one...the one thing holding me back is his age. He's what, 31? & I'm also worried about selling the farm for him & the roster, outside of him & JR, just becoming depleted.
Gun to head, I think he ends up a 76er.
Lillard can't move off-ball like Curry does, but I think part of that is because Curry has Draymond and Lillard never had anything like that. Jokic being able to fill that role and then some could open up a whole new aspect to Lillard's game. He still won't be Steph, but he could be even closer than he already is.
Hard to see them trading him to a team in their division. Not to mention the optics of demanding a trade to the team that just eliminated you is very KD-like.
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until he officially asks out? lol
Haha. Perhaps. He's a fantastic talent who is under contract for awhile. And he'd be the toast of NYC. A 1-2 of Dame & Randle is a damn good one...the one thing holding me back is his age. He's what, 31? & I'm also worried about selling the farm for him & the roster, outside of him & JR, just becoming depleted.
Gun to head, I think he ends up a 76er.
I mean, I guess it’s possible. But I haven’t gotten the impression, based solely on things I read daily, that NBA teams are as enamored with Simmons as the Sixers ((or BBI) think they should be. I guess we shall see who is right.
First part do the Knicks blow the whole off-season on keeping space available for Dame for the opportunity to get him?
2nd do you move on and sign for example Lowery, DeRozan, fournier,etc and blow the chance at Dame?
Can you sign guys and still pull of a deal for Dame?
I'd be very happy staying put and taking:
19. Trey Murphy of he somehow makes it there
21. Isaiah Jackson
32. Miles McBride
I just watched some breakdowns of him. Great defensive PG with a nice jumper to score from all 3 levels.
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I'd be very happy staying put and taking:
19. Trey Murphy of he somehow makes it there
21. Isaiah Jackson
32. Miles McBride
I just watched some breakdowns of him. Great defensive PG with a nice jumper to score from all 3 levels.
Would love this too but I think it's unrealistic. Doubt Murphy or McBride will be there at those spots.
Lol offering what?
I think Mobley is going to be an absolute stud. Would take him over Suggs tbh.
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Lol offering what?
I think Mobley is going to be an absolute stud. Would take him over Suggs tbh.
its from Michael Scotto..
My guess it was part of the sexton trade talks, Knicks offered to take love if they put in 3..
I would assume cavs then asked for Rj
He reminds me of Marcus Smart
Suggs seems to be dropping which is weird to me. Seems he may be going 5 now.
I have no idea what this means.
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I have no idea what this means.
the number next to the players is their cap hit
McBride and Garuba have to be the guys Thibs wants the most lol.
I woukd think Suggs
This is a horrible trade for the Knicks.
Where did you see this? I don't see it anywhere.
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Where did you see this? I don't see it anywhere.
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Sexton 6, Love 31 and 3(7) for Rj 8, Obi 5, Knox 5, 19(2.5), 21 (2.5), 22 swap, 23 1st
This is a horrible trade for the Knicks.
How is it horrible? you get Sexton and the 3rd overall pick for rj and cap space...
and still have 40 million in free agency..
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to move up to number 3..
Where did you see this? I don't see it anywhere.
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I still don't see it anywhere
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to move up to number 3..
Where did you see this? I don't see it anywhere.
Michael Scotto
I still don't see it anywhere
There is no shortage of suitors for the Cavaliers’ No. 3 overall pick in Thursday’s NBA Draft.Koby Altman
Per Michael Scotto of HoopsHype, the Raptors, Thunder, Warriors and Knicks have all reached out to the Cavs to discuss offers and move up.
It's looking like Murphy won't be available at #19. The question is whether the Knicks will move up to get him, and what they would have to give up to do so. I also agree that McBride likely won't be available at #32.
listening to Marc Stein's greenroom and he made the comment that the trade talk is crazy right now and very active, does that lead to a bunch of deals? who knows but it is very active..
The one thing we can expect is that they will make moves. Last year's maneuvering even just around the margins was proof of that. They have picks, cap room and are ready to party.
I think the Cavs would definitely do that deal.
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Tommy Sheppard says the Wizards “definitely want to get something in the second round.” Wizards enter tomorrow’s draft without a second-round pick. They will select at No. 15 in the first round.
I have a hard time believing that was on the table.
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The Philadelphia 76ers wanted four first-round draft picks, three pick swaps, and a young player from the Spurs in exchange for Ben Simmons, per @KevinOConnorNBA
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Shai and 6 for number 3, if true, are they fucking stupid?
I have a hard time believing that was on the table.
I saw that deal for pick 1 but not 3.
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The Philadelphia 76ers wanted four first-round draft picks, three pick swaps, and a young player from the Spurs in exchange for Ben Simmons, per @KevinOConnorNBA
That is hysterical.
that couldnt be on the table though right? even if the cavs flip Shai, that is a heist
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The Philadelphia 76ers wanted four first-round draft picks, three pick swaps, and a young player from the Spurs in exchange for Ben Simmons, per @KevinOConnorNBA
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ESPN Sources: Sixers continue to canvass the league for Ben Simmons trades — armed with a steep asking price. Simmons and his agent, Klutch CEO Rich Paul, are in step with a move elsewhere. Draft night is always an ideal vehicle for a deal, but talks could continue into summer.
What's more surprising to me is that Embiid's health over the long term is a question, so I would think the 76ers try to maximize their window now vs. get a huge pick trove (I understand they can then be used for a player).
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That is hysterical.
Double hysterical even.
agreed ready for some action..
most likely a deal like that would not be done until thw pick is on the clok, unless knicks liked more than 1 or 2 players
I do think their goal in free agency is to add a vet starting point and a vet starting shooting gaurd..
I could see them going all out for Lowry
yeah i think that 58th pick will be a stash guy
Also said that it's not enough so they'd have to include more. Wonder how much more?
I think it's a move that would probably be agreed upon pending his availability at that pick
any traction?
I do think their goal in free agency is to add a vet starting point and a vet starting shooting gaurd..
I could see them going all out for Lowry
I think a 3-D wing is the goal in the draft early and a center late it sounds like PG is the goal in FA.
So Lowery, Ball, or maybe you trade next year's 2 first for Sexton after the draft and the dust settles on Cavs pick.
Golden state said no because they dont want more picks, they want veterans
Everyone is assuming Duarte. The Warriors and another team like him. Maybe picks 14 and 15? That's why they are going for 11 to get above them. But the rumor is 19 and 21 for 11 is not enough.
I agree. Stay put. There will be some good players there.
Agreed no way I'd burn a 1st trading up for Duarte or Murphy. Moving from 19 to 13 or 14 isn't worth that. I'd almost rather just add in an asset and move up to 10 or so if Davion Mitchell falls the way it seems very possible right now.
Personally, I wouldn't mind it if they stayed where they were and picked 2 players. I think we're going to need some low cost young players to make deals or fill out the roster if we make some trades.
I know FA hasn't started, but right now we only have 8 players under contract.
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Knicks sound like a team that is desperate. Don't shop hungry. The talent level between 11 and 19 doesn't justify trading 19, 21, and a really good player to move up. My understanding is GS already said no to 19 and 21 for 14.
Golden state said no because they dont want more picks, they want veterans
You're right. But it looks like the Knicks have been unable to package 19 and 21 to another team to move up.
Just stay the course. Get two or three good players from this draft. Assets are assets.
Agreed.
Duarte would be great at 19 or 21, but I wouldn't trade up for him. His ceiling is capped. If I'm trading up, I'm targeting Davion Mitchell.