Not sure I want to trade for him. I don't see a path to long term success when trading for a star right now.
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
Not sure I want to trade for him. I don't see a path to long term success when trading for a star right now.
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
It all deoends what you give up and how many picks and space you have left..
there is a scenario where you add Beal and still have max space to fill out roster or add a 3rd star
Now, if he wants to go to GS then that is a different situation
Not sure I want to trade for him. I don't see a path to long term success when trading for a star right now.
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
+2. I leave it to others who know more, but I assume that trading for Beal would essentially empty the cupboard.
No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
We are not adding additional picks anymore and with any luck we are not sniffing the lottery.
If you are going after Beal it's now or the deadline.
If you are able to keep RJ and Randle you go all in on a 27 yr old that just had back to back 30 pt per game season.
I would prefer Beal over Dame and I am a huge Dame fan because of his age.
Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
Leave RJ out of the deal I don't think you need it.
The Knicks have the biggest package outside of GS for Beal.
Randle,RJ,and Beal is a solid jump point with a ton of money available.
Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
obi is nothing, the only reason he is worth anything is because he was a 1st round oick last year..
Mitch is due for a pay day, you oaying him 12 to 15 million a year? Knicks were fine without him..
Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
Leave RJ out of the deal I don't think you need it.
The Knicks have the biggest package outside of GS for Beal.
Randle,RJ,and Beal is a solid jump point with a ton of money available.
if the wizards say yes without Rj then you say yes on the spot
No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Where is Obi playing? he is worth more to the Knicks in a trade than in their rotation for 15 minutes..
Love Quick that is why he is not in the offer i out before..
you willing to bet Rj becomes anymore than a borderline all star?
Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
obi is nothing, the only reason he is worth anything is because he was a 1st round oick last year..
Mitch is due for a pay day, you oaying him 12 to 15 million a year? Knicks were fine without him..
Yeah we didn't miss him at all that Hawks series when capella made us his bitch for 5 straight games. Listen he might not be here long term, but besides money we dont have much of a path to build a roster after the trade. You reach out to guys like Norm Powell and Lowry and feel strongly that you could get them to come maybe you have something. Obi is not a complete garbage throw in. You're overating Beal. He's not Lebron or Kwai. He definitely a star but you don't blow your roster up for him. Take RJ out of the deal I can see some path forward.
So the Golden State stars are pressuring management
You are dealing in absolutes. You said there is zero chance Beal enters FA. False. It isn't zero. You are also saying that Obi is garbage. You are betting against RJ who is how old? You are panicking to make an immediate move when failing to realize this shit happens multiple times a year with players wanting to be traded. How did the Knicks get to where they are now? It wasn't through trading for a star. It was being smart with your picks, taking chances on FA with high upside, and getting the players coached up. Continue the process until you are a star away and then trade. Now is not the time. It'll be Melo all over again. The timing matters.
And why sell low on Obi? Makes no sense. He showed great strides last year. And he and Randle can play at the same time but Thibs refuses to do that. I'm not against trading Obi at all. I'm against trading him when his value is so low. It's pointless.
The rumor is the Knicks will keep cap space for a max next year. They obviously feel one of these players will his FA and be an option. Stay the course. The team is young. Be patient.
RE: So the Golden State stars are pressuring management
to make a big splash - specifically Beal - and suddenly Beal is considering a trade request this week? I think we know where this one is headed….
yeah someone is telling Beal ask for a trade now
GS players don't want 2 lottery picks on that team they want another star. They need a deal by Thursday or kick one of those picks down the road.
They have the most attractive offer to another team with a disgruntled star but the clock is ticking.
RE: So the Golden State stars are pressuring management
But there's many ways to use it. At the price its gonna cost I'd much rather pursue Sexton. We'll still have plenty of capital left and he'll take up less cap room than Beal even after an extension. Listen as long as we have our own picks (and we have Dallas '23) it will always be enough to get a deal done for a star. LA only had there picks to deal for AD, the Nets only traded their picks for Harden. Let's be real no way a deal of this magnitude is coming together before Thursday any way. In the past I was dubious, but we now have good talent evaluators here and I have confidence in them making picks.
really good player but not the main guy on a championship team, not by a long shot.
I would say he is undervalued, He has no help around him and he basically carried that team last 2 years
He has been in the hunt for the scoring title for the last 2 years and he just turned 28 and has been injury-free.
He would be a great fit next to Randle and RJ.
It wouldn't be that simple and not saying it is fair on the surface but I don't think Mitch is long for this team. If we were able to get 14 we could get Murphy, at 19 we could get Jackson who'd be a Mitch replacement, and potentially Cooper (I like others but put Cooper because he's been linked to the Knicks) 21.
In comment 15312190 robbieballs2003 said:
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Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
Seems like a refrain we should be hearing from the other MSG tenant, which, alas, seems not be heeded.
on the final four playoff rosters (Bucks, Hawks, Suns and Clippers)?
Behind Giannis, Kawhi-when 100%, CP3...one could argue Booker & George. I think he's better than Trae right now. He's better than Middleton, Jrue, Ayton.
on the final four playoff rosters (Bucks, Hawks, Suns and Clippers)?
Behind Giannis, Kawhi-when 100%, CP3...one could argue Booker & George. I think he's better than Trae right now. He's better than Middleton, Jrue, Ayton.
Beal averaged 30 against Philly in the playoffs and kept them in every game.
I would put Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, ahead of Beal. Booker and CP3 on par.
Randle is a little more difficult since he melted in the playoffs.
Behind Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, Booker, CP3, Trae, Middleton.
So basically a 2nd to 3rd option.
on the final four playoff rosters (Bucks, Hawks, Suns and Clippers)?
Behind Giannis, Kawhi-when 100%, CP3...one could argue Booker & George. I think he's better than Trae right now. He's better than Middleton, Jrue, Ayton.
Beal averaged 30 against Philly in the playoffs and kept them in every game.
I would put Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, ahead of Beal. Booker and CP3 on par.
Randle is a little more difficult since he melted in the playoffs.
Behind Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, Booker, CP3, Trae, Middleton.
So basically a 2nd to 3rd option.
Yeah, not the top option, but if Beal is the 3rd best dude on a team...that team is a juggernaut. I think he'd be a real good sidekick too to the top guy.
Are in different places. We need to get more pieces via draft and continue to improve and then maybe get a star. Unless a star signs outright I don’t think we should trade away any young assets. Just my opinion.
Knicks are apparently interested in Duarte, and according to this article may trade up for him. Link - ( New Window )
I think him and Murphy are the targets if we trade up. Murphy is a deadly 3 point shooter, a 6'9" guy who can play the 2 or 3, and a really good defensive player. He's also younger than Duarte.
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
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Not sure I want to trade for him. I don't see a path to long term success when trading for a star right now.
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
It all deoends what you give up and how many picks and space you have left..
there is a scenario where you add Beal and still have max space to fill out roster or add a 3rd star
zero chance he makes it to free agency, very rarely now do these guys make it to free agency
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I don't want to deplete their assets because it makes it that much more difficult to win. Just wait a year and go as a FA with all of those assets.
zero chance he makes it to free agency, very rarely now do these guys make it to free agency
Zero chance?
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I don't want to deplete their assets because it makes it that much more difficult to win. Just wait a year and go as a FA with all of those assets.
zero chance he makes it to free agency, very rarely now do these guys make it to free agency
Zero chance?
guys dont make it to free agency anymore, unless you are lebron, durant or kawhi..
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Not sure I want to trade for him. I don't see a path to long term success when trading for a star right now.
Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
+2. I leave it to others who know more, but I assume that trading for Beal would essentially empty the cupboard.
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
If you are going after Beal it's now or the deadline.
If you are able to keep RJ and Randle you go all in on a 27 yr old that just had back to back 30 pt per game season.
I would prefer Beal over Dame and I am a huge Dame fan because of his age.
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
Leave RJ out of the deal I don't think you need it.
The Knicks have the biggest package outside of GS for Beal.
Randle,RJ,and Beal is a solid jump point with a ton of money available.
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Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
obi is nothing, the only reason he is worth anything is because he was a 1st round oick last year..
Mitch is due for a pay day, you oaying him 12 to 15 million a year? Knicks were fine without him..
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Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
Leave RJ out of the deal I don't think you need it.
The Knicks have the biggest package outside of GS for Beal.
Randle,RJ,and Beal is a solid jump point with a ton of money available.
if the wizards say yes without Rj then you say yes on the spot
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No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
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No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Where is Obi playing? he is worth more to the Knicks in a trade than in their rotation for 15 minutes..
Love Quick that is why he is not in the offer i out before..
you willing to bet Rj becomes anymore than a borderline all star?
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Trade could be Rj, Obi, Knox, Mitch, 19,21, 22 swap, 23 1st..
still have 40 to 45 million in cap space, still would have a 1st every year except this year..
That trade is horrific. Rj, Obi and Mitch? Come on Beal is just not that much of a difference maker. You could almost sell me Dame for that because the balm is in his hands all game and he's pretty much a regular threat from 35 feet and in.
obi is nothing, the only reason he is worth anything is because he was a 1st round oick last year..
Mitch is due for a pay day, you oaying him 12 to 15 million a year? Knicks were fine without him..
Yeah we didn't miss him at all that Hawks series when capella made us his bitch for 5 straight games. Listen he might not be here long term, but besides money we dont have much of a path to build a roster after the trade. You reach out to guys like Norm Powell and Lowry and feel strongly that you could get them to come maybe you have something. Obi is not a complete garbage throw in. You're overating Beal. He's not Lebron or Kwai. He definitely a star but you don't blow your roster up for him. Take RJ out of the deal I can see some path forward.
And why sell low on Obi? Makes no sense. He showed great strides last year. And he and Randle can play at the same time but Thibs refuses to do that. I'm not against trading Obi at all. I'm against trading him when his value is so low. It's pointless.
The rumor is the Knicks will keep cap space for a max next year. They obviously feel one of these players will his FA and be an option. Stay the course. The team is young. Be patient.
yeah someone is telling Beal ask for a trade now
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to make a big splash - specifically Beal - and suddenly Beal is considering a trade request this week? I think we know where this one is headed….
yeah someone is telling Beal ask for a trade now
GS players don't want 2 lottery picks on that team they want another star. They need a deal by Thursday or kick one of those picks down the road.
They have the most attractive offer to another team with a disgruntled star but the clock is ticking.
Beal in NoCal & Wiseman, Wiggins, & other assets in DC.
I would say he is undervalued, He has no help around him and he basically carried that team last 2 years
He has been in the hunt for the scoring title for the last 2 years and he just turned 28 and has been injury-free.
He would be a great fit next to Randle and RJ.
Beal (age 20) - 17.1/3.7/3.3 .419/.402/.788
I know players don't develop along the same scale, but it would seem crazy to add RJ in a deal for Beal with other assets.
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Agreed. This isn't the time for a trade for him or Dame. It would empty out our assets and young players and where does that leave the roster? There will always be stars,that want out. Next year or in 2 years well have a better situation built up hopefully to where one of the big stars could help us contend for a title. Sexton should be the main target right now.
Beal (age 20) - 17.1/3.7/3.3 .419/.402/.788
I know players don't develop along the same scale, but it would seem crazy to add RJ in a deal for Beal with other assets.
RJ needs to stay here and I would put him ahead of Randle as untouchable in a trade.
Behind Giannis, Kawhi-when 100%, CP3...one could argue Booker & George. I think he's better than Trae right now. He's better than Middleton, Jrue, Ayton.
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on the final four playoff rosters (Bucks, Hawks, Suns and Clippers)?
Behind Giannis, Kawhi-when 100%, CP3...one could argue Booker & George. I think he's better than Trae right now. He's better than Middleton, Jrue, Ayton.
Beal averaged 30 against Philly in the playoffs and kept them in every game.
I would put Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, ahead of Beal. Booker and CP3 on par.
Randle is a little more difficult since he melted in the playoffs.
Behind Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, Booker, CP3, Trae, Middleton.
So basically a 2nd to 3rd option.
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on the final four playoff rosters (Bucks, Hawks, Suns and Clippers)?
Behind Giannis, Kawhi-when 100%, CP3...one could argue Booker & George. I think he's better than Trae right now. He's better than Middleton, Jrue, Ayton.
Beal averaged 30 against Philly in the playoffs and kept them in every game.
I would put Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, ahead of Beal. Booker and CP3 on par.
Randle is a little more difficult since he melted in the playoffs.
Behind Giannis, Kawhi, PG3, Booker, CP3, Trae, Middleton.
So basically a 2nd to 3rd option.
Yeah, not the top option, but if Beal is the 3rd best dude on a team...that team is a juggernaut. I think he'd be a real good sidekick too to the top guy.
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I think him and Murphy are the targets if we trade up. Murphy is a deadly 3 point shooter, a 6'9" guy who can play the 2 or 3, and a really good defensive player. He's also younger than Duarte.
meaning they flip Brown to Knicks
I was feeling the word 'like' in that post, Haha.