I know Cade is going to go #1 to Detroit, but I think Mobley might end up being the best player in this draft. The more I read, hear, watch...he's got insane upside. I have some buddies who went to SC/fans of they all to a man rave about him.
Knicks are apparently interested in Duarte, and according to this article may trade up for him. Link - ( New Window )
If he was 4 years younger he would be a top 8 prospect..
And if he shot like he did his junior year, he’d be a second round pick or undrafted. I have no problem trading the second rounder to move up and get him. Anything more is too much.
This backs up my opinion that the Knicks are extremely high on
We’d need to know what the Knicks could and would do AFTER the trade for Beal. Let’s say the Knicks traded either RJ or IQ, along with Obi and a bunch of picks. It is definitely a lot. No doubt. But what it the Knicks could still sign a guy like Ball in FA, and maybe one more expensive one year stop gap and then have room for another max next offseason, presumably after that one year stop gap move frees up. Then what? How does a roster of Ball, Beal, stop gap, Randle at PF and Mitch and center sound? Rose and IQ on the bench maybe with bucks. With a max slot available in 22? If that’s possible, would we be ok wit that? I just might be. Can’t we possibly sign Randle and go over the cap it the Knicks maneuvered a certain way?
I don’t think we should be looking at any potential blockbuster trade in a vacuum. I think it’s quite possible the Knicks can add another max after the trade and still have a max in 2022. The Knicks have a shit load of flexibility.
They could wait and take the slow game approach but if and when the star avails himself the Knicks might very well strike. I get the concerns over going all in too soon, but It might not be melo all over again simply because for one thing the Knicks have more cap room and more assets than they had back in 2011.
It’s gonna be fascinating to see what the Knicks do and what they can do.
This potential trade would do nothing long-term for the Knicks quest to try to win a title.
By the time the Knicks get another superstar - his peak is gone and he's declining.
I see a poster on here clearly stated no superstar free agents ever come available. Then in his very next post, once challenged, he then cited superstars that did become available.
This type of erratic thinking, in particular from the front office and nearly all of the media, has hampered this team's ability to ever produce a title contender in these many years.
The Knicks need to be patient - and sure as hell don't trade Barrett. His best buddy is Zion. Keep acquiring young players.
This potential trade would do nothing long-term for the Knicks quest to try to win a title.
By the time the Knicks get another superstar - his peak is gone and he's declining.
I see a poster on here clearly stated no superstar free agents ever come available. Then in his very next post, once challenged, he then cited superstars that did become available.
This type of erratic thinking, in particular from the front office and nearly all of the media, has hampered this team's ability to ever produce a title contender in these many years.
The Knicks need to be patient - and sure as hell don't trade Barrett. His best buddy is Zion. Keep acquiring young players.
I never said no superstsrs make it to free agency, i said rarely and then mentioned the rare cases because those guys dont get traded..
a guy like Beal as soon as he asks out will get traded to a place he wants to go to and will resign there...
RE: This backs up my opinion that the Knicks are extremely high on
Beal also probably helps get Kawhi, just something to note.
Why would Leonard want to play in East Coast? He left so he could go back home. His team almost got to the championship without him. Why would he leave all that?
This potential trade would do nothing long-term for the Knicks quest to try to win a title.
By the time the Knicks get another superstar - his peak is gone and he's declining.
I see a poster on here clearly stated no superstar free agents ever come available. Then in his very next post, once challenged, he then cited superstars that did become available.
This type of erratic thinking, in particular from the front office and nearly all of the media, has hampered this team's ability to ever produce a title contender in these many years.
The Knicks need to be patient - and sure as hell don't trade Barrett. His best buddy is Zion. Keep acquiring young players.
I never said no superstsrs make it to free agency, i said rarely and then mentioned the rare cases because those guys dont get traded..
a guy like Beal as soon as he asks out will get traded to a place he wants to go to and will resign there...
Okay - so why not wait for the bigtime superstar 1st? Where are you (The Knicks) going without any of them?
If your point is - they won't come/ be available - then what good was getting Beal anyway?
RE: So the Golden State stars are pressuring management
to make a big splash - specifically Beal - and suddenly Beal is considering a trade request this week? I think we know where this one is headed….
This is the trade I like. 7&14 plus others to make the salaries match for Beal. I like Beal but it’s time for a reboot, and maybe we can hit on one or both of those picks.
No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Robbie. NyGiants 16 still thinks the Melo trade in 2011 was worth it. He’s operating under the same premise of obliterating a roster for a superstar
Beal also probably helps get Kawhi, just something to note.
Why would Leonard want to play in East Coast? He left so he could go back home. His team almost got to the championship without him. Why would he leave all that?
Well, supposedly he has lost trust with the training staff/doctors. The same happened in SA, I believe.
Haha, you think GSW would want Randle for their two picks and more?
Obviously the Knicks won't do that, but I'd think about it.
Had no idea who Trey Murphy was until this morning, but his tape looks impressive. Wouldn't know he was 6'9 with the way he moves. Would prefer him over Duarte just because of age.
On the mocks, seems a lot of the smaller guards are dropping and the wings are rising. We need guards with skills who can actually shoot and create. Stay put and take your stabs at two of them.
RE: Haha, you think GSW would want Randle for their two picks and more?
Obviously the Knicks won't do that, but I'd think about it.
Had no idea who Trey Murphy was until this morning, but his tape looks impressive. Wouldn't know he was 6'9 with the way he moves. Would prefer him over Duarte just because of age.
On the mocks, seems a lot of the smaller guards are dropping and the wings are rising. We need guards with skills who can actually shoot and create. Stay put and take your stabs at two of them.
I'm fine with trading up for Murphy if it is only for pick 32 and maybe a future 2nd as well. At 21 we could get someone like Springer or Cooper or Jackson. I'd prefer a penetrating guard but we most likely need a mitch replacement or backup so Jackson makes sense if they went in that direction.
Knicks are apparently interested in Duarte, and according to this article may trade up for him. Link - ( New Window )
If he was 4 years younger he would be a top 8 prospect..
That's the issue. He's a grown man playing vs kids a lot younger than he is. If the Knicks were a role player or two a way you draft a 24 year old rd 1. As it is I wouldn't touch him til rd 2. Now another team much deeper would make some sense as he's plug and play. But what u see now is pretty much it.
I'd be pissed if the Knicks turn 19 and 21 into Duarte.
Cooper seems to be falling, we should snag him with one of the picks and with the other take whichever SG/SF that falls. Then gamble on a big with the 32. Sims is like a brickhouse on a pogo stick.
are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
He's not expiring. He's got 2 years left. If he was expiring I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, but you're stuck with him for two shitty seasons and taking up a ton of cap.
are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
He's not expiring. He's got 2 years left. If he was expiring I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, but you're stuck with him for two shitty seasons and taking up a ton of cap.
It's not an expiring but basically an exipiring. If you release him he counts $3.9 because that is what is guaranteed.
are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
He's not expiring. He's got 2 years left. If he was expiring I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, but you're stuck with him for two shitty seasons and taking up a ton of cap.
It's not an expiring but basically an exipiring. If you release him he counts $3.9 because that is what is guaranteed.
Ah gotcha, I actually didn't realize that. I guess I'd be more open to it in that case but I still think he mostly just stinks. I'd take him AND 10 basically for free. They can have Knox or maybe 32.
The Pelicans have 'generated traction' with the Grizzlies in a deal that would send the 10th pick and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis for the Grizzlies' 17th pick, per
@JakeLFischer
The Pelicans have 'generated traction' with the Grizzlies in a deal that would send the 10th pick and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis for the Grizzlies' 17th pick, per
@JakeLFischer
The Pelicans have 'generated traction' with the Grizzlies in a deal that would send the 10th pick and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis for the Grizzlies' 17th pick, per
@JakeLFischer
Nice. Is that a recent tweet?
The tweet from NBA Central is, but I don't know when Jake Fischer reported that tidbit
No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Robbie. NyGiants 16 still thinks the Melo trade in 2011 was worth it. He’s operating under the same premise of obliterating a roster for a superstar
I guess we won’t talk about that the Knicks will probably have two max slots still open AFTER trading for Beal? Including Randle.
Can’t look at the Beal trade in a vacuum. The Knicks basically had one bullet left after the melo trade and it was the amnesty of Billups that led to chandler, tyson.
Can we mention this? The Knicks might make a big trade here and still have 2 slots plus Randle to use. I’m not even screaming to make this trade but we need to stop calling this melo part 2. The Knicks have tons more flexibility and more assets than they had in 2011. Not to mention Randle isn’t living on the borrowed time that stat was living on.
Look at the big picture, not just how the team would look days after dealing for a player like Beal.
Beal also probably helps get Kawhi, just something to note.
Why would Leonard want to play in East Coast? He left so he could go back home. His team almost got to the championship without him. Why would he leave all that?
Well, supposedly he has lost trust with the training staff/doctors. The same happened in SA, I believe.
Okay - thanks.
Who did the comment come from that he was unhappy with the LA training staff/doctors?
And it's possible he could miss entire 2021-2022 season?
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Beal is taking the weekend to mull the idea of requesting a trade..Said past couple of weeks he has been on the fence..
Lakers are looking for a 3rd top guy who is a distributor and ball handler to take pressure off of Lebron..lowry, derozan and Dinwiddie are 3 names discussed..
also there has been talks with the Kings on a kuzma for Hield deal...
His only mention of the Knicks is what we have already heard, the knicks are trying to use 19 and 21 to move up
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Who is your superstar you are going to get?
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Who is your superstar you are going to get?
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
I think the idea is that this front office is bright enough to have other things lined up before making a deal like that. Of course we don’t know that yet, but just because WE don’t know what the plan is doesn’t mean there isn’t a plan.
Just a hunch but I think we're going to end up with Oubre. I think it'll be a wildly unpopular move but you're buying low on him after a bad fit on GSW and I think if the money is right it could be a good add.
Just a hunch but I think we're going to end up with Oubre. I think it'll be a wildly unpopular move but you're buying low on him after a bad fit on GSW and I think if the money is right it could be a good add.
Oubra is a Thibs type of player defensively his 3 pt shooting was strong the 2nd half of the season and is only 25 but there are rumors he is looking for 20 million.
It might take a 4 year 60 million deal. I can't see paying him that with him being a below average shooter away from the rim.
I would resign Bullock first for 10 million per.
and Murphy also going 14 and 15 in the latest ESPN mock.
So the Pacers at 13 look like the first target to jump up for one of those guys.
GS wants to trade the pick though so that's another option.
I would be surprised if GS would want 19 and 21, adding that many rookies just doesn't seem like a good fit.
I think 15 and 16 are in play and maybe 11 with Charlotte.
Not too many teams willing to take on that many rookies.
Throw 19 and next year's Dallas pick might be enticing enough to a team in 10 to 15.
and Murphy also going 14 and 15 in the latest ESPN mock.
So the Pacers at 13 look like the first target to jump up for one of those guys.
GS wants to trade the pick though so that's another option.
I would be surprised if GS would want 19 and 21, adding that many rookies just doesn't seem like a good fit.
I think 15 and 16 are in play and maybe 11 with Charlotte.
Not too many teams willing to take on that many rookies.
Throw 19 and next year's Dallas pick might be enticing enough to a team in 10 to 15.
You misinterpreted what I was saying. GS wants to trade 7 and 14 for a starter level player. They tried for some big time players but not even a nibble. In no way was I suggesting GS would trade 14 to us for 19 and 21. I wouldn't do that from the Knicks perspective and GS wouldn't do it from their perspective. My point was if GS does trade out then that is most likely one less team that would take Murphy or Duarte.
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
I think the idea is that this front office is bright enough to have other things lined up before making a deal like that. Of course we don’t know that yet, but just because WE don’t know what the plan is doesn’t mean there isn’t a plan.
If he was 4 years younger he would be a top 8 prospect..
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Knicks are apparently interested in Duarte, and according to this article may trade up for him. Link - ( New Window )
If he was 4 years younger he would be a top 8 prospect..
And if he shot like he did his junior year, he’d be a second round pick or undrafted. I have no problem trading the second rounder to move up and get him. Anything more is too much.
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I don’t think we should be looking at any potential blockbuster trade in a vacuum. I think it’s quite possible the Knicks can add another max after the trade and still have a max in 2022. The Knicks have a shit load of flexibility.
They could wait and take the slow game approach but if and when the star avails himself the Knicks might very well strike. I get the concerns over going all in too soon, but It might not be melo all over again simply because for one thing the Knicks have more cap room and more assets than they had back in 2011.
It’s gonna be fascinating to see what the Knicks do and what they can do.
By the time the Knicks get another superstar - his peak is gone and he's declining.
I see a poster on here clearly stated no superstar free agents ever come available. Then in his very next post, once challenged, he then cited superstars that did become available.
This type of erratic thinking, in particular from the front office and nearly all of the media, has hampered this team's ability to ever produce a title contender in these many years.
The Knicks need to be patient - and sure as hell don't trade Barrett. His best buddy is Zion. Keep acquiring young players.
By the time the Knicks get another superstar - his peak is gone and he's declining.
I see a poster on here clearly stated no superstar free agents ever come available. Then in his very next post, once challenged, he then cited superstars that did become available.
This type of erratic thinking, in particular from the front office and nearly all of the media, has hampered this team's ability to ever produce a title contender in these many years.
The Knicks need to be patient - and sure as hell don't trade Barrett. His best buddy is Zion. Keep acquiring young players.
I never said no superstsrs make it to free agency, i said rarely and then mentioned the rare cases because those guys dont get traded..
a guy like Beal as soon as he asks out will get traded to a place he wants to go to and will resign there...
I believe it. I'd be a big fan. It cements RJ as a 2, which I'm not sure is his best position, but I really like Murphy's game.
I think they're going to try to move up for one of Murphy or Duarte.
Why would Leonard want to play in East Coast? He left so he could go back home. His team almost got to the championship without him. Why would he leave all that?
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This potential trade would do nothing long-term for the Knicks quest to try to win a title.
By the time the Knicks get another superstar - his peak is gone and he's declining.
I see a poster on here clearly stated no superstar free agents ever come available. Then in his very next post, once challenged, he then cited superstars that did become available.
This type of erratic thinking, in particular from the front office and nearly all of the media, has hampered this team's ability to ever produce a title contender in these many years.
The Knicks need to be patient - and sure as hell don't trade Barrett. His best buddy is Zion. Keep acquiring young players.
I never said no superstsrs make it to free agency, i said rarely and then mentioned the rare cases because those guys dont get traded..
a guy like Beal as soon as he asks out will get traded to a place he wants to go to and will resign there...
Okay - so why not wait for the bigtime superstar 1st? Where are you (The Knicks) going without any of them?
If your point is - they won't come/ be available - then what good was getting Beal anyway?
This is the trade I like. 7&14 plus others to make the salaries match for Beal. I like Beal but it’s time for a reboot, and maybe we can hit on one or both of those picks.
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No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Robbie. NyGiants 16 still thinks the Melo trade in 2011 was worth it. He’s operating under the same premise of obliterating a roster for a superstar
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Beal also probably helps get Kawhi, just something to note.
Why would Leonard want to play in East Coast? He left so he could go back home. His team almost got to the championship without him. Why would he leave all that?
Well, supposedly he has lost trust with the training staff/doctors. The same happened in SA, I believe.
Had no idea who Trey Murphy was until this morning, but his tape looks impressive. Wouldn't know he was 6'9 with the way he moves. Would prefer him over Duarte just because of age.
On the mocks, seems a lot of the smaller guards are dropping and the wings are rising. We need guards with skills who can actually shoot and create. Stay put and take your stabs at two of them.
Had no idea who Trey Murphy was until this morning, but his tape looks impressive. Wouldn't know he was 6'9 with the way he moves. Would prefer him over Duarte just because of age.
On the mocks, seems a lot of the smaller guards are dropping and the wings are rising. We need guards with skills who can actually shoot and create. Stay put and take your stabs at two of them.
I'm fine with trading up for Murphy if it is only for pick 32 and maybe a future 2nd as well. At 21 we could get someone like Springer or Cooper or Jackson. I'd prefer a penetrating guard but we most likely need a mitch replacement or backup so Jackson makes sense if they went in that direction.
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If he was 4 years younger he would be a top 8 prospect..
That's the issue. He's a grown man playing vs kids a lot younger than he is. If the Knicks were a role player or two a way you draft a 24 year old rd 1. As it is I wouldn't touch him til rd 2. Now another team much deeper would make some sense as he's plug and play. But what u see now is pretty much it.
Agreed. Or use 21 along with taking on Bledsoe to nab the 10th pick.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
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are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
He's not expiring. He's got 2 years left. If he was expiring I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, but you're stuck with him for two shitty seasons and taking up a ton of cap.
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are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
He's not expiring. He's got 2 years left. If he was expiring I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, but you're stuck with him for two shitty seasons and taking up a ton of cap.
It's not an expiring but basically an exipiring. If you release him he counts $3.9 because that is what is guaranteed.
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are people so eager to get Eric Bledsoe? He STINKS.
I'm on board with 19, 32 and Knox for like 13 though to jump the Warriors for Duarte/Murphy. Then Springer/Cooper at 21.
People aren't eager to get Bledsoe. They are eager to get the 10th pick. Bledsoe is an expiring deal and would still follow the plan the Knicks may have at having enough cap space for a max next year.
He's not expiring. He's got 2 years left. If he was expiring I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, but you're stuck with him for two shitty seasons and taking up a ton of cap.
It's not an expiring but basically an exipiring. If you release him he counts $3.9 because that is what is guaranteed.
Ah gotcha, I actually didn't realize that. I guess I'd be more open to it in that case but I still think he mostly just stinks. I'd take him AND 10 basically for free. They can have Knox or maybe 32.
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The Pelicans have 'generated traction' with the Grizzlies in a deal that would send the 10th pick and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis for the Grizzlies' 17th pick, per
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The Pelicans have 'generated traction' with the Grizzlies in a deal that would send the 10th pick and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis for the Grizzlies' 17th pick, per
@JakeLFischer
Nice. Is that a recent tweet?
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NBA Central
@TheNBACentral
The Pelicans have 'generated traction' with the Grizzlies in a deal that would send the 10th pick and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis for the Grizzlies' 17th pick, per
@JakeLFischer
Nice. Is that a recent tweet?
The tweet from NBA Central is, but I don't know when Jake Fischer reported that tidbit
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In comment 15312208 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15312205 robbieballs2003 said:
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No way am I giving up all that for one player. The window is now not years later when we get to use the picks. Again, players are available EVERY YEAR via trade. It's the NBA. Keep building up the team. We are headed in the right direction. Do not go all in at this point.
you cant just keep saying next year, next year, the Knicks wont have the picks they can trade like they do right now or the cap space..
you can make a trade right now and still add, you wont be able to do that a couple of yeara from now, eventually you got to take a risk..
Actually, yes I can. RJ is younger than most of the players in this draft and the strides he made this year were remarkable. I like Obi and he played great the last 2 months of the year, offensively and defensively. Quickley has been a great surprise. Why are the Knicks forced to deplete their team for a player? Oh, that's right. They aren't.
Robbie. NyGiants 16 still thinks the Melo trade in 2011 was worth it. He’s operating under the same premise of obliterating a roster for a superstar
I guess we won’t talk about that the Knicks will probably have two max slots still open AFTER trading for Beal? Including Randle.
Can’t look at the Beal trade in a vacuum. The Knicks basically had one bullet left after the melo trade and it was the amnesty of Billups that led to chandler, tyson.
Can we mention this? The Knicks might make a big trade here and still have 2 slots plus Randle to use. I’m not even screaming to make this trade but we need to stop calling this melo part 2. The Knicks have tons more flexibility and more assets than they had in 2011. Not to mention Randle isn’t living on the borrowed time that stat was living on.
Look at the big picture, not just how the team would look days after dealing for a player like Beal.
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In comment 15312242 Jon in NYC said:
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Beal also probably helps get Kawhi, just something to note.
Why would Leonard want to play in East Coast? He left so he could go back home. His team almost got to the championship without him. Why would he leave all that?
Well, supposedly he has lost trust with the training staff/doctors. The same happened in SA, I believe.
Okay - thanks.
Who did the comment come from that he was unhappy with the LA training staff/doctors?
And it's possible he could miss entire 2021-2022 season?
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Agents or the NBA himself. Players of his caliber aren't supposed be on teams like the Wizards
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and he knows he has to do it before thursday,somebody is in his ear advising him..
Agents or the NBA himself. Players of his caliber aren't supposed be on teams like the Wizards
*itself
Lakers are looking for a 3rd top guy who is a distributor and ball handler to take pressure off of Lebron..lowry, derozan and Dinwiddie are 3 names discussed..
also there has been talks with the Kings on a kuzma for Hield deal...
His only mention of the Knicks is what we have already heard, the knicks are trying to use 19 and 21 to move up
Most would. I just think that $3.9 may mess up financials next year? On the surface it looks really good.
A wise man once said
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Who is your superstar you are going to get?
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
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There’s a distinct possibly this is possible:
Trade a ton for Beal but keep 2 of IQ or Barrett or Mitch. Everything else goes.
Sign Ball to a 3-4 year big deal.
Wait out randle or maneuver so that we can sign him later on and go over the cap, AFTER signing a max in 2022.
If you cannot convince me this isn’t plausible, then we need to seriously consider trading for Beal of even Lilliard. It could be a precursor to an elite roster. Even if you couldn’t add a max in 2022 but could still re-sign Randle that team ain’t so bad at all. Ball, Beal, FA, Randle, Mitch with IQ and Rose and Burks on the bench. And maybe max room in 2022? Don’t tell me that’s melo redux all over again. That team would be nasty.
Who is your superstar you are going to get?
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
I think the idea is that this front office is bright enough to have other things lined up before making a deal like that. Of course we don’t know that yet, but just because WE don’t know what the plan is doesn’t mean there isn’t a plan.
So the Pacers at 13 look like the first target to jump up for one of those guys.
Just a hunch but I think we're going to end up with Oubre. I think it'll be a wildly unpopular move but you're buying low on him after a bad fit on GSW and I think if the money is right it could be a good add.
Just a hunch but I think we're going to end up with Oubre. I think it'll be a wildly unpopular move but you're buying low on him after a bad fit on GSW and I think if the money is right it could be a good add.
Oubra is a Thibs type of player defensively his 3 pt shooting was strong the 2nd half of the season and is only 25 but there are rumors he is looking for 20 million.
It might take a 4 year 60 million deal. I can't see paying him that with him being a below average shooter away from the rim.
I would resign Bullock first for 10 million per.
So the Pacers at 13 look like the first target to jump up for one of those guys.
GS wants to trade the pick though so that's another option.
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and Murphy also going 14 and 15 in the latest ESPN mock.
So the Pacers at 13 look like the first target to jump up for one of those guys.
GS wants to trade the pick though so that's another option.
I would be surprised if GS would want 19 and 21, adding that many rookies just doesn't seem like a good fit.
I think 15 and 16 are in play and maybe 11 with Charlotte.
Not too many teams willing to take on that many rookies.
Throw 19 and next year's Dallas pick might be enticing enough to a team in 10 to 15.
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In comment 15312837 Jon in NYC said:
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and Murphy also going 14 and 15 in the latest ESPN mock.
So the Pacers at 13 look like the first target to jump up for one of those guys.
GS wants to trade the pick though so that's another option.
I would be surprised if GS would want 19 and 21, adding that many rookies just doesn't seem like a good fit.
I think 15 and 16 are in play and maybe 11 with Charlotte.
Not too many teams willing to take on that many rookies.
Throw 19 and next year's Dallas pick might be enticing enough to a team in 10 to 15.
You misinterpreted what I was saying. GS wants to trade 7 and 14 for a starter level player. They tried for some big time players but not even a nibble. In no way was I suggesting GS would trade 14 to us for 19 and 21. I wouldn't do that from the Knicks perspective and GS wouldn't do it from their perspective. My point was if GS does trade out then that is most likely one less team that would take Murphy or Duarte.
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Who is your superstar you are going to get?
Until you know you are getting the superstar why are you getting rid of our young players?
Haven't we done this silliness over-and-over the pats decade of trading away our young talent and never being a threat?
So the past two years we've show restraint and been more successful than we've ben in the last 10 and now we're going to fall back on the prior philosophy that never worked?
How does that make nay sense? The Knick need to get an elite superstar. Beal isn't that. Until you get that supreme player - where are the Knicks going? Nowhere.
*****Name the superstar the Knicks are going to get after they trade quite abut for Beal? Please name him instead of praying. Who says getting Beal attracts the superstar?
I think the idea is that this front office is bright enough to have other things lined up before making a deal like that. Of course we don’t know that yet, but just because WE don’t know what the plan is doesn’t mean there isn’t a plan.
I hope so.