100%. It's a no brainer imo. RJ could wind up having the better career but SGA is already a star and is only getting better. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush and all that. He's more versatile than RJ and his efficiency last year was very impressive when you consider who he was playing with.
23 year old all-star with 2 years left on his rookie deal.
I would try and hold on to RJ but give up Mitch, Obi, Quickley, and boat load of picks.
Would still have cap to go after a max +.
I would do this over Dame/Beal/Levine deals
on 2 year deals with Rj, Randle, Mitch wouldnt be bad...still have flexibility, with your draft picks
I prefer Powell to Fournier but he's not a bad fallback option. I have my doubts that they're interested in Fournier given that they could've acquired him at the deadline for pennies to see how he'd fit up close and personal and chose not to.
-Multiple teams high on Duarte who could go as high as 10
-Pistons reportedly turned down SGA and 6 for #1
-Warriors turned down 19 and 21 for 14 per Wasserman
-2 different writers have told me the price to move up is much higher than some previous seasons with teams trying to attach bad contracts or asking for prices higher than recent years.
-Spears says the Knicks are one of "many" teams in on DeRozan
-Pompey has a similar report in regard to Lowry. One writer told me his gut tells him Lowry is #1 on the Knicks wishlist
-Multiple teams high on Duarte who could go as high as 10
-Pistons reportedly turned down SGA and 6 for #1
-Warriors turned down 19 and 21 for 14 per Wasserman
-2 different writers have told me the price to move up is much higher than some previous seasons with teams trying to attach bad contracts or asking for prices higher than recent years.
-Spears says the Knicks are one of "many" teams in on DeRozan
-Pompey has a similar report in regard to Lowry. One writer told me his gut tells him Lowry is #1 on the Knicks wishlist
Not surprised about Lowry, you know Thibs is pushing for a vet atarter at point
im a nova guy so i go back a long way rooting for kyle. its not in his DNA to just be looking for one last pay day and ride off into the sunset. the guy is the ultimate competitor and wants to win anything he does. he'd be great around a younger team and showing them what it takes to win at a high level. He'd be a perfect 2-year guy for this team.
if you think he is going to be a star you 100% keep him, but if you think he is just going to be a good player eventually he will become kverpaid...
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
I wish I knew. Gun to head I think RJB becomes a star, but it's a tough one to figure. I love that he became a good spot up 3 pt shooter. Can he take yet another leap? As of now he's a solid player.
I hope you're right but the below average handle and average athleticism concern me. By all accounts his work ethic/attitude are great - so I'm confident he's going to achieve the best possible version of himself, but I just don't know what the ceiling is. What star player might he compare to?
I was hoping someone else would come up with one lol. I guess Jimmy butler has a better handle? Paul Pierce? The lack of explosiveness is a concern to be sure. And he’s not exactly a dead eye shooter.
I can be swayed either way on RJ. What I do love is how he fills the box score and defends. That should only improve as he progresses but his scoring prowess and potential? Who knows...maybe what you see is what you get?
RJ started the season off miserably from 3. The second half of the season he was as “dead eye” as any player in the league. It’s strange to me that we put stigmas on 20 year old based more on what they do early than late. I feel like no matter how well Barrett shoots at this point, he will always be questioned on his shooting ability. He was 20. And improved significantly over an extended period of time
When I say dead eye I mean being able to shoot off the dribble. RJB aint there yet, not saying he can't get there. But he's no Ray Allen. Not that many are.
I am not trying to knock RJB or stir up a debate at all. Just playing a little devil's advocate in regards to any proposed Beal trade.
with regards to thinking a player is thinking one last pay day. That can be a very unfair label and also can prop up the younger player that is lazy and not as motivated.
Older players can be highly lucrative and helpful to the cause. We were afraid of Chris PAul last year. He helped lead the Suns to the finals.
The Knicks are in a perfect spot to offer up 1 year monster deals. It doesn't impact 2022 and you're improving the team for 2021.
it appears that the Knicks have become quite enamored with Trey Murphy, and aren't getting any signals they can move up much beyond the 15th pick or so. Murphy would probably still be there at 15, put there would be huge risk in waiting until 19. (Link)
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Murphy has risen up the mock-draft boards from an early second-round pick last month. Williford (Murphy’s coach at Virginia) believes, according to his intel, his name will be called between 17 and 30.
Six weeks ago, Murphy, listed at a still-light 206 pounds, wasn’t sure he’d stay in the draft.
Murphy shot 43.3 percent from 3-point range and averaged 11.3 points in his lone season with Virginia in 2020-21. He also shot 92.7 percent from the free-throw line.
“He can guard multiple positions — 2-to-4 for sure — and sometimes 1-to-4 with all the switching,’’ Williford said. “I see him as a floor spacer. Cam Johnson [of Phoenix] comes to mind. Similar size, similar ability to shoot the ball. He’s that wing-hybrid forward.’’
He didn't shoot that many threes, but his % was high, and his % on FTs is amazing. 92.7%! That of course signals well for his 3 pointer.
I would think that moving from 19 to 15 or so could be done for the two #1 picks or a little less, leaving them the valuable #32, for backup pg or backup big.
Still leaves the need for a pg, of course. And a big wing would be nice, too.
has worked for the Knicks for 20ish years. I can't find an article stating when he was hired but he's mentioned in a 2003 piece in the Times. Credited with most of the Knicks Euro finds.
"ATLANTA — The Knicks are proud of being one of the pioneers — along with Dallas and San Antonio — in European scouting. They were one of the first organizations to employ a full-time European scout. Kevin Wilson was hired in 2000 and based in Barcelona. Before that, the Knicks had Tim Shea as their European scout, also based in Spain."
until 32? Seems doubtful. If they want him badly, then no trade up. There is some talent with upside that will be around at 17 or 19, but they wouldn't get the shooter + defender that Murphy is.
for a 2nd round pick per a Minnesota beat reporter. Not sure that I buy that they can't get a late first but if it's true I'd jump on that. Worth the flier for sure.
has no incentive to take a 1-year deal. He's eligible for up to 3 years and will almost certainly take at least 2.
It depends on how big the 1 year deal is. I believe a team could offer up to something like $39M on a 1 year deal. If it's that or sign for 2 years at $25M or something like that he could bet on himself earning another 1 year or 2 year deal next year and make quite a bit more money.
has no incentive to take a 1-year deal. He's eligible for up to 3 years and will almost certainly take at least 2.
It depends on how big the 1 year deal is. I believe a team could offer up to something like $39M on a 1 year deal. If it's that or sign for 2 years at $25M or something like that he could bet on himself earning another 1 year or 2 year deal next year and make quite a bit more money.
Well he apparently was looking for 2 years starting at 25 per, so it sure seems as if that's going to be the minimum of his ask now.
"Great anticipation surrounds the New York Knicks' offseason, given the considerable cap space they possess, but the Knicks continue to be cited in league circles as perhaps the most likely destination for Portland's Damian Lillard if — stress if — there is a change of plans in the Pacific Northwest and the Trail Blazers make Lillard available via trade earlier than expected. Something to keep in mind when the Knicks are linked to other point guards."
"Great anticipation surrounds the New York Knicks' offseason, given the considerable cap space they possess, but the Knicks continue to be cited in league circles as perhaps the most likely destination for Portland's Damian Lillard if — stress if — there is a change of plans in the Pacific Northwest and the Trail Blazers make Lillard available via trade earlier than expected. Something to keep in mind when the Knicks are linked to other point guards."
Stephen A. said the same thing, but he's....Stephen A.
Stein is legit through. Let's go Dame - you've been loyal enough to Portland. Come get bounced in the first round in NY.
"Great anticipation surrounds the New York Knicks' offseason, given the considerable cap space they possess, but the Knicks continue to be cited in league circles as perhaps the most likely destination for Portland's Damian Lillard if — stress if — there is a change of plans in the Pacific Northwest and the Trail Blazers make Lillard available via trade earlier than expected. Something to keep in mind when the Knicks are linked to other point guards."
Stephen A. said the same thing, but he's....Stephen A.
Stein is legit through. Let's go Dame - you've been loyal enough to Portland. Come get bounced in the first round in NY.
I jjst dont see him asking out right now
I don't either, but it's a matter of when, not if.
What card can Portland play to become a contender. They are what they are at this point. Trading McCollum for a good player who better complements Lillard is about it.
so whoever posted it didn't just mention it out of nowhere - something about trading him for a first and resetting a rookie contract because they have a glut of guys due for paydays all at once. But if hitdog says no, it's no until proven otherwise.
I hope the Knicks just stay the course. Draft well and develop players. Continue to find under the radar FAs, and acquire assets. I just don't see any real quick fix this off season.
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Damian Lillard is willing to forgo paychecks if he decides he wants a trade from the Blazers and the franchise doesn't oblige him, per
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Lillard will also try to influence what team he ends up playing for.
teams will be in on Dame (duh). Denver? Philly? Miami? There will obviously be others (Lakers, Clippeers) but what can they give in return?
He'll go where he wants to go if the James Harden saga taught us anything. The question is how many teams are on his list? Of the teams you mentioned, Denver could put a nice package together. Philly could if they want Simmons or if a third team would trade enough for Simmons to make it work. The Knicks could put together a better package than Miami though. Herro is their main trade chip and his value has plummeted.
They likely would want more than RJ. Would you give up more than RJ?
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No but I'd give everything up to that.
Mitch, Obi, Picks, IQ, all on the table.
Shai, RJ, and Randle would be awesome going forward. Add Beal or Lavine next offseason...
Yes without a doubt. Is that a rumor ?
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Yes without a doubt. Is that a rumor ?
No there is a rumor that shai is available but for a crazy price
100%. It's a no brainer imo. RJ could wind up having the better career but SGA is already a star and is only getting better. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush and all that. He's more versatile than RJ and his efficiency last year was very impressive when you consider who he was playing with.
I would try and hold on to RJ but give up Mitch, Obi, Quickley, and boat load of picks.
Would still have cap to go after a max +.
I would do this over Dame/Beal/Levine deals
I prefer Powell to Fournier but he's not a bad fallback option. I have my doubts that they're interested in Fournier given that they could've acquired him at the deadline for pennies to see how he'd fit up close and personal and chose not to.
-Pistons reportedly turned down SGA and 6 for #1
-Warriors turned down 19 and 21 for 14 per Wasserman
-2 different writers have told me the price to move up is much higher than some previous seasons with teams trying to attach bad contracts or asking for prices higher than recent years.
-Spears says the Knicks are one of "many" teams in on DeRozan
-Pompey has a similar report in regard to Lowry. One writer told me his gut tells him Lowry is #1 on the Knicks wishlist
-Pistons reportedly turned down SGA and 6 for #1
-Warriors turned down 19 and 21 for 14 per Wasserman
-2 different writers have told me the price to move up is much higher than some previous seasons with teams trying to attach bad contracts or asking for prices higher than recent years.
-Spears says the Knicks are one of "many" teams in on DeRozan
-Pompey has a similar report in regard to Lowry. One writer told me his gut tells him Lowry is #1 on the Knicks wishlist
Not surprised about Lowry, you know Thibs is pushing for a vet atarter at point
I'd say so. Lowry is a much better defender and outside shooter. He's also a better passer than Rose is at this stage of their careers.
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if you think he is going to be a star you 100% keep him, but if you think he is just going to be a good player eventually he will become kverpaid...
As for Toppin sometimes players are more valuable as a trade asset than a player on your team and in Toppin's case i think it is trade asset..
I wish I knew. Gun to head I think RJB becomes a star, but it's a tough one to figure. I love that he became a good spot up 3 pt shooter. Can he take yet another leap? As of now he's a solid player.
I hope you're right but the below average handle and average athleticism concern me. By all accounts his work ethic/attitude are great - so I'm confident he's going to achieve the best possible version of himself, but I just don't know what the ceiling is. What star player might he compare to?
I was hoping someone else would come up with one lol. I guess Jimmy butler has a better handle? Paul Pierce? The lack of explosiveness is a concern to be sure. And he’s not exactly a dead eye shooter.
I can be swayed either way on RJ. What I do love is how he fills the box score and defends. That should only improve as he progresses but his scoring prowess and potential? Who knows...maybe what you see is what you get?
RJ started the season off miserably from 3. The second half of the season he was as “dead eye” as any player in the league. It’s strange to me that we put stigmas on 20 year old based more on what they do early than late. I feel like no matter how well Barrett shoots at this point, he will always be questioned on his shooting ability. He was 20. And improved significantly over an extended period of time
When I say dead eye I mean being able to shoot off the dribble. RJB aint there yet, not saying he can't get there. But he's no Ray Allen. Not that many are.
I am not trying to knock RJB or stir up a debate at all. Just playing a little devil's advocate in regards to any proposed Beal trade.
Lowry can play starter minutes and rose can..
Rose has done a nice job changing his game but he cant shoot like Lowry, lowry is stronger..
Older players can be highly lucrative and helpful to the cause. We were afraid of Chris PAul last year. He helped lead the Suns to the finals.
The Knicks are in a perfect spot to offer up 1 year monster deals. It doesn't impact 2022 and you're improving the team for 2021.
Murphy has risen up the mock-draft boards from an early second-round pick last month. Williford (Murphy’s coach at Virginia) believes, according to his intel, his name will be called between 17 and 30.
Six weeks ago, Murphy, listed at a still-light 206 pounds, wasn’t sure he’d stay in the draft.
Murphy shot 43.3 percent from 3-point range and averaged 11.3 points in his lone season with Virginia in 2020-21. He also shot 92.7 percent from the free-throw line.
“He can guard multiple positions — 2-to-4 for sure — and sometimes 1-to-4 with all the switching,’’ Williford said. “I see him as a floor spacer. Cam Johnson [of Phoenix] comes to mind. Similar size, similar ability to shoot the ball. He’s that wing-hybrid forward.’’
He didn't shoot that many threes, but his % was high, and his % on FTs is amazing. 92.7%! That of course signals well for his 3 pointer.
I would think that moving from 19 to 15 or so could be done for the two #1 picks or a little less, leaving them the valuable #32, for backup pg or backup big.
Still leaves the need for a pg, of course. And a big wing would be nice, too.
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"ATLANTA — The Knicks are proud of being one of the pioneers — along with Dallas and San Antonio — in European scouting. They were one of the first organizations to employ a full-time European scout. Kevin Wilson was hired in 2000 and based in Barcelona. Before that, the Knicks had Tim Shea as their European scout, also based in Spain."
Cade could be a star but no way his value is that high, I don’t think I’d take him over SGA straight up at this point. I don’t buy that rumor at all.
It depends on how big the 1 year deal is. I believe a team could offer up to something like $39M on a 1 year deal. If it's that or sign for 2 years at $25M or something like that he could bet on himself earning another 1 year or 2 year deal next year and make quite a bit more money.
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has no incentive to take a 1-year deal. He's eligible for up to 3 years and will almost certainly take at least 2.
It depends on how big the 1 year deal is. I believe a team could offer up to something like $39M on a 1 year deal. If it's that or sign for 2 years at $25M or something like that he could bet on himself earning another 1 year or 2 year deal next year and make quite a bit more money.
Well he apparently was looking for 2 years starting at 25 per, so it sure seems as if that's going to be the minimum of his ask now.
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Stephen A. said the same thing, but he's....Stephen A.
Stein is legit through. Let's go Dame - you've been loyal enough to Portland. Come get bounced in the first round in NY.
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"Great anticipation surrounds the New York Knicks' offseason, given the considerable cap space they possess, but the Knicks continue to be cited in league circles as perhaps the most likely destination for Portland's Damian Lillard if — stress if — there is a change of plans in the Pacific Northwest and the Trail Blazers make Lillard available via trade earlier than expected. Something to keep in mind when the Knicks are linked to other point guards."
Stephen A. said the same thing, but he's....Stephen A.
Stein is legit through. Let's go Dame - you've been loyal enough to Portland. Come get bounced in the first round in NY.
I jjst dont see him asking out right now
they would never do that- Reddish is very well liked for super high potential in a lot of circles- can defend and score and shoot.
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Damian Lillard is willing to forgo paychecks if he decides he wants a trade from the Blazers and the franchise doesn't oblige him, per
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Lillard will also try to influence what team he ends up playing for.
He'll go where he wants to go if the James Harden saga taught us anything. The question is how many teams are on his list? Of the teams you mentioned, Denver could put a nice package together. Philly could if they want Simmons or if a third team would trade enough for Simmons to make it work. The Knicks could put together a better package than Miami though. Herro is their main trade chip and his value has plummeted.
until he officially asks out? lol