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NFT: Gold Cup part II

Del Shofner : 7/24/2021 11:03 pm
Qatar over El Salvador 3-2. Only watched the first half before marital movie-watching intervened but entertaining soccer as before from Qatar, and ES is pretty good as they proved against Mexico. Why Qatar is in this tournament at all, more below, but their coach is a former Barcelona youth coach who runs the #1 academy in Qatar and has all the money in the world behind him. Qatar doesn't play like Barca - who does - but they are no joke.

Watching Mexico - Honduras now from Glendale AZ which is basically a Mexico home game - great crowd. Mexico up 2-0 and they'll win without question in my mind - nothing against Honduras but not close in talent.ht

US v. Jamaica at 9:30 ET tomorrow night I believe. If USA wins we will face Qatar, again if I'm reading the bracket right. No way we should underestimate Qatar - they can certainly attack and score.

Oh - and why is Qatar in the CONCACAF Gold Cup?
I'm sure money has nothing to do with it - ( New Window )
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Really  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 8:20 pm : link
like the lineup tonight. Dike clearly isn't himself and I think Williamson is just better than Busio, especially against a Mexican team that should see more of the ball.
The best part is that all the pressure is over Mexico in this one  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 8:38 pm : link
Seems like everytime that is the case, we get a coach fired.
Turner is our best shot stopper.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 9:11 pm : link
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RE: Turner is our best shot stopper.  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 9:13 pm : link
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I don't think it's all that close. He's fantastic.
that was a world class save  
Del Shofner : 8/1/2021 9:18 pm : link
a few minutes ago
RE: RE: Turner is our best shot stopper.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 9:21 pm : link
In comment 15319232 Jon in NYC said:
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I don't think it's all that close. He's fantastic.


I get why he's been on bench, Greg wants to play out of the back. But what's the end game for that outside of helping in qualifying? We won't be doing much of that once we get to the World Cup. Give me the superior shot-stopper for this team.
have no idea if USA can pull this off  
PetesHereNow : 8/1/2021 9:23 pm : link
but I hate how Mexico begs/flops for calls.
So when is VAR going to start regulating dives? Would cut that shit  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 9:23 pm : link
out real quick.
Ughhh  
UConn4523 : 8/1/2021 9:26 pm : link
you can’t miss that
dammit Arriola  
PetesHereNow : 8/1/2021 9:26 pm : link
how did you miss that?
oy  
Del Shofner : 8/1/2021 9:26 pm : link
gotta finish that
God, I'm over seeing Arriola out there  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 9:29 pm : link
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USMNT getting destroyed in midfield  
Rick in Dallas : 8/1/2021 9:36 pm : link
Cannot get possession of the ball
RE: USMNT getting destroyed in midfield  
Del Shofner : 8/1/2021 9:52 pm : link
In comment 15319255 Rick in Dallas said:
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Cannot get possession of the ball


that's true

but 0-0 at the half

Mexico is the better side but if we'd finished our counterattacking chances we's be up now. If I'm neutral (which I'm not), a pretty entertaining half.

Turner is man of the match so far. Didn't he go to Fairfield U? Or somewhere local.
Arriola just isn't at this level.  
D-Rod : 8/1/2021 9:53 pm : link
He hustled and can play against lower level concacaf opponents, but he can't be on the field against decent teams.
Would it kill Arriola to put the ball on frame with two good chances?  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 9:55 pm : link
Jesus dude.

Turner is man of the half, Zardes has played well with what he can do, everyone else has a chance to improve.
The crowd is hilariously pro Mexican. I don't think I've seen a game  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 9:57 pm : link
quite like it at home, even in games we've played in Texas.

Might want to scratch LV off the qualifier list lol
This has the feel of a game where we totally get outplayed, but  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 10:00 pm : link
Mexico can't finish and we score one late. Would Martino get fired? They were really good pre-Covid, but since soccer has come back they've been a mess.
RE: USMNT getting destroyed in midfield  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 10:02 pm : link
In comment 15319255 Rick in Dallas said:
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Cannot get possession of the ball
Williamson and Accosta don't impress, at all
Neither has Lletjet impressed  
Rick in Dallas : 8/1/2021 10:05 pm : link
Total lack of presence in the midfield. Just chasing the ball!!!!
Mexico is going to score here momentarily. GB needs to get off his ass  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 10:13 pm : link
and make subs.
There's  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 10:20 pm : link
the Zardes we remember. What an abysmal finisher.
Robinson  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 10:27 pm : link
to my eyes looks to be the best center back USMNT has had since Onyewu, size, athleticism, anticipation/reading the attack, quickness. It has been a long time since the team has had anyone back there of his caliber, based on this game at least
RE: Robinson  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15319286 ColHowPepper said:
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to my eyes looks to be the best center back USMNT has had since Onyewu, size, athleticism, anticipation/reading the attack, quickness. It has been a long time since the team has had anyone back there of his caliber, based on this game at least


I'm with you. I don't get why there isn't more hype about him. Maybe because he's still in MLS? I guess John Brooks still has the role locked down for a while on the main team but Robinson looks great.
That strike by Hoppe was going in, the Mexican GK was flat footed  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 10:30 pm : link
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This  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 10:32 pm : link
has been an amazing game. Hoppe blocked twice now on shots that looked like they were going in
Arriola has zero fucking compusre, he could have tapped that one in  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 10:35 pm : link
and over if he held his nerve at all. It's like he completely shits himself as soon as the goal scoring opp presents itself. F
This game is nuts, expected goals has to be something like 5.5  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 10:41 pm : link
and yet we are here 0-0 in the 80th minute.
It's very frustrating watching the US...  
bw in dc : 8/1/2021 10:55 pm : link
in these big games because we always struggle with possession and usually look inferior technically to these higher teams.

The amount of sloppy giveaways in this game is torture. And when we get a chance to get a good shot to possibly win in the 90th minute, we air mail the strike into the 10th row...

Not for nothing but these young US players  
Rick in Dallas : 8/1/2021 10:57 pm : link
Are getting tremendous experience. This game is the nuts!!!
Robinson,Turner, Hoppe and Acosta need to be on the WC qualifying squad.
Dike  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 11:01 pm : link
must really be in rough shape if he isnt coming in at all.
RE: RE: Robinson  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2021 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15319288 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 15319286 ColHowPepper said:I guess John Brooks still has the role locked down for a while on the main team but Robinson looks great.
Jon, prolly so, but Brooks is slow, wooden, and less intuitive compared to Robinson, imo. Experience, ok, but I haven't seen anything from Robinson that shows outsmarted.

I agree with you, Hoppe looks very strong, maybe a bit too deliberate as he crosses the 18 laterally to look for his shot, but he was patient, good leg. Tracks back to defend. His fitness is outstanding.
RE: Dike  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 11:11 pm : link
In comment 15319302 Jon in NYC said:
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must really be in rough shape if he isnt coming in at all.


Why would he come in? Zardes and Hoppe look fine out there.
RE: RE: Dike  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 11:12 pm : link
In comment 15319305 Zeke's Alibi said:
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must really be in rough shape if he isnt coming in at all.



Why would he come in? Zardes and Hoppe look fine out there.


Zardes looks tired to me. He's been running around as a sole striker for 104 minutes.
Zardes gives you a better work rate in the 110th minute than  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 11:22 pm : link
Dike does in his 10th
Zardes gives you a better work rate in the 110th minute than  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 11:26 pm : link
Dike does in his 10th
Alllllriiiiiiiight!  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/1/2021 11:29 pm : link
Great header!
wow  
Del Shofner : 8/1/2021 11:29 pm : link
now just hang on
What a great set-up...  
bw in dc : 8/1/2021 11:29 pm : link
and goal!
OK  
Del Shofner : 8/1/2021 11:34 pm : link
Gold Cup victory

nice job all
USA  
GF1080 : 8/1/2021 11:36 pm : link
Gold Cup winners!!!

Pumped for qualifying!!!!!
What a fantastic game by USMNT  
Rick in Dallas : 8/1/2021 11:37 pm : link
This program now has a lot of depth to choose from in the future.
Visio is also a player.
I'm so impressed by this young team.  
BigBlueBuff : 8/1/2021 11:40 pm : link
No superstars, quite literally the B team at nearly every position and they stepped up and played an old school American style game to win the Gold Cup. Plus, there are six or seven kids who may have staked a place in qualifying, that's for sure.
RE: Zardes gives you a better work rate in the 110th minute than  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 11:40 pm : link
In comment 15319309 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Dike does in his 10th


Lol I mean work rate is the only thing he does. But Dike is the better player and was starting when healthy for a reason
FOX is way overblowing this  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/1/2021 11:40 pm : link
Good win, good momentum, how you have to qualify for the World Cup.
RE: RE: Zardes gives you a better work rate in the 110th minute than  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 11:44 pm : link
In comment 15319322 Jon in NYC said:
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Dike does in his 10th



Lol I mean work rate is the only thing he does. But Dike is the better player and was starting when healthy for a reason


I really don’t think much of Dike, poor mans Jozy and I’ll be surprised if he makes the World Cup roster.
RE: FOX is way overblowing this  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2021 11:46 pm : link
In comment 15319323 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Good win, good momentum, how you have to qualify for the World Cup.


I agree. Lalas crying? Give me a break.

The Nations League was a bigger win this year since it was both A Teams.

Good momentum though. Now just need to execute in qualifying.
Question for you tacticians  
BH28 : 8/1/2021 11:47 pm : link
Does US just have really bad midfielders? It seemed that they gave up possession a ton in the midfield and were generally outworked on headers etc.

Defense looked good and the scoring chances looked good, but it seems they really struggle to build or just get out-possessed way more than they should in the midfield.

Acosta was all over the place, but it seemed it was him vs Mexico out there at times.
You guys don’t think this is a big deal?  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/1/2021 11:51 pm : link
Going to disagree. If we lost, yeah sure, but we beat Mexico’s B+ team in a tourney they’ve historically dominated with our C + team. That’s a really big deal. That’s not even remotely feasible twenty years ago.
awesome game  
Eric on Li : 8/2/2021 12:24 am : link
do we think berhalter is the right guy after all? or is this finally the generation where the talent is just too good to mess up?

Acosta really stood out. the roster battles are definitely going to be on another level going forward.
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