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NFT: No Frankie Buckets vs. USA Basketball Thread?

robbieballs2003 : 7/25/2021 8:19 am
US up 22 to 13 right now.
I know I’m Frank biased  
GMEN46 : 7/25/2021 8:24 am : link
Because I like him as a player, but how he can’t play over these backcourt guys on France is insane to me. I get Fournier but these other guards on France look terrible especially the backup pg that came in.
I miss the days of The Dream Team  
robbieballs2003 : 7/25/2021 8:29 am : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/25/2021 9:16 am : link
I get that it is in Japan, but these start times are brutal for us in the States.
France takes the lead.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/25/2021 9:25 am : link
56-54 with 2 to play in the 3rd.
RE: France takes the lead.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/25/2021 9:30 am : link
In comment 15312583 robbieballs2003 said:
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56-54 with 2 to play in the 3rd.


Pathetic. I know it isn't 1992, but come on...
Didn’t realize Frank was hurt  
GMEN46 : 7/25/2021 9:50 am : link
It was announced he was out with a leg injury
France is BALLIN'  
robbieballs2003 : 7/25/2021 9:52 am : link
They are playing with more energy and better than the US.
US down 4 with 21.8 to play  
robbieballs2003 : 7/25/2021 9:56 am : link
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Popovich sucks and should be removed  
PatersonPlank : 7/25/2021 9:57 am : link
The ills of the NBA coming back to haunt the USA, standing around shooting 3's all the time and not playing defense.
couldnt happen to a nicer guy  
nygiants16 : 7/25/2021 9:57 am : link
Pop is a great coach, hall of fame coach but he is such an ass
Embarrassing  
dpinzow : 7/25/2021 10:02 am : link
Losing to France in an exhibition is one thing...losing to them for real? Coach Pop is a legend but I think he's past it
Embarassing  
section125 : 7/25/2021 10:07 am : link
Part of me wants to be happy they lost...wonder what excuses they will come up with today.
US has the most talent  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/25/2021 10:09 am : link
but how much experience do these guys really have playing together? Holiday/Booker/Middleton seemingly just got off the plane.

France has arguably the best defensive player in the world, and other NBA-level talent as well. They aren't push overs.

I want to see the US win, and they need to play better. I expect them to get out of group play and those few games to help sharpen them further.
RE: couldnt happen to a nicer guy  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/25/2021 10:29 am : link
nygiants16 said:
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Pop is a great coach, hall of fame coach but he is such an ass and an even better person.

Fixed it for you. 😘
RE: RE: couldnt happen to a nicer guy  
section125 : 7/25/2021 10:32 am : link
In comment 15312611 Big Blue Blogger said:
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nygiants16 said:

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Pop is a great coach, hall of fame coach but he is such an ass and an even better person.


Fixed it for you. 😘


Ha, POV...
Difference between NBA and FIBA rules also apparent  
dpinzow : 7/25/2021 10:47 am : link
NBA is no contact allowed, and FIBA is what the NBA used to be when it came to physical play
RE: RE: couldnt happen to a nicer guy  
RDJR : 7/25/2021 10:52 am : link
In comment 15312611 Big Blue Blogger said:
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nygiants16 said:

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Pop is a great coach, hall of fame coach but he is such an ass and an even better person.


Fixed it for you. 😘


👍
this team is pretty pathetic  
KDavies : 7/25/2021 11:07 am : link
yeah, Gobert is good, but their best scorer is Fournier? You can’t beat them? And let’s not pretend this is the only team they lost to. In pre-Olympic games they lost to Nigeria and Australia, with top players such as Gabe Vincent and Patty Mills. I have really waned on my interest in the NBA, as the overall quality of play has diminished, but this is quite bad.
the quality of play has not waned  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/25/2021 11:35 am : link
there's more talent all over the globe than ever before and the NBA has never been more concentrated with athleticism and talent in the history of the sport.

This isn't 1992 where half the countries were in awe just to see NBA players up close.

FIBA rules are slightly different and it takes time to gel. Even NBA "super teams" had rocky starts as they learned to play together.

It certainly hasn't been a great showing for Team USA thus far, and perhaps the flame out early and there is a hard look at the roster construction. But the tournament is far from over.
What channel was the game on???  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/25/2021 11:38 am : link
It is not just the world getting better  
KDavies : 7/25/2021 11:55 am : link
1992 you had Robinson, Ewing, Barkley, Malone at C and PF.

This year? Big guys are Bam Adebayo and Javele McGee. Are you kidding me? The rest of the world may have improved, but this team is not good. Other guards in the past were a lot more complete players as well. You think a Jordan or a Kobe or an LBJ is letting a Fournier go off like that?

The team has lost to Nigeria, Australia, and France. At one point do you accept the team is not very good?
RE: It is not just the world getting better  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/25/2021 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15312670 KDavies said:
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1992 you had Robinson, Ewing, Barkley, Malone at C and PF.

This year? Big guys are Bam Adebayo and Javele McGee. Are you kidding me? The rest of the world may have improved, but this team is not good. Other guards in the past were a lot more complete players as well. You think a Jordan or a Kobe or an LBJ is letting a Fournier go off like that?

The team has lost to Nigeria, Australia, and France. At one point do you accept the team is not very good?


This plus the US team practices together much less than most international squads. Which makes unfamiliarity with international rules worse.

We don’t take it that seriously. Which I’m fine with. Losing to professional teams from eastern block countries when only allowed to field college players was a national pride thing. Now? Not so much.
RE: couldnt happen to a nicer guy  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/25/2021 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15312598 nygiants16 said:
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Pop is a great coach, hall of fame coach but he is such an ass


Where is this coming from?? Anyone I've ever talked to that is associated with the NBA talks about how Pop is one of the best people in the game. On top of that, Will Sevening and Brandon Bowman, the Spurs athletic trainers say that Pop is incredible to work with.
RE: RE: couldnt happen to a nicer guy  
Bricktop : 7/25/2021 12:38 pm : link
In comment 15312690 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15312598 nygiants16 said:


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Pop is a great coach, hall of fame coach but he is such an ass



Where is this coming from?? Anyone I've ever talked to that is associated with the NBA talks about how Pop is one of the best people in the game. On top of that, Will Sevening and Brandon Bowman, the Spurs athletic trainers say that Pop is incredible to work with.


I think we all know where it's coming from. Sad.
1992 was the best team ever compiled in the world. Period.,  
Matt M. : 7/25/2021 12:44 pm : link
It is unlikely any team will ever come close to that team's talent. And they practiced and played to win.

This team is both comprised of a lot of 2nd tier players and they have barely played together. Plus, there are much better pros for a lot of other countries now.

I know Holliday led the US in scoring, but maybe when guys just get off the plane, you don't play them as much.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/25/2021 12:47 pm : link
I love Pop. National treasure.
Pop being an ass is news?  
nygiants16 : 7/25/2021 12:49 pm : link
i am sure he is very well liked within the spurs..
How about some examples  
Bricktop : 7/25/2021 12:49 pm : link
Of him being an ass?
RE: How about some examples  
nygiants16 : 7/25/2021 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15312698 Bricktop said:
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Of him being an ass?


have you seen any of his sideline or post game interviews? how about going oit of his way ripping ither teams?
RE: Pop being an ass is news?  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/25/2021 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15312697 nygiants16 said:
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i am sure he is very well liked within the spurs..


Huh?? He's well liked across the NBA.

I've never asked anyone who they think is the best guy in the NBA, and yet Pop has been brought up UNSOLICITED as a great guy and one of the most respected around the league.

If people are mentioning something like that without it even being the topic of conversation, you can be pretty sure the guy is really respected. And that wasn't from people on the Spurs.

Since you made the comment - perhaps you have some specific example instead of just sounding like a fan who is disgruntled for some fucking reason.
Popovich has done so much for basketball  
UConn4523 : 7/25/2021 12:54 pm : link
and so much off the court as well. Giving the interviews the way he does shouldn't define him as a person. It’s the least important part of his resume.
wow didnt think i would get heat for that comment  
nygiants16 : 7/25/2021 12:55 pm : link
not going to die on that hill, i was wrong then, my apologies
Uh huh.  
Bricktop : 7/25/2021 1:03 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/25/2021 1:21 pm : link
I think the interviews are tongue in cheek, especially with the late Craig Sager.
Pop is great  
Sean : 7/25/2021 1:26 pm : link
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RE: 1992 was the best team ever compiled in the world. Period.,  
KDavies : 7/25/2021 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15312693 Matt M. said:
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It is unlikely any team will ever come close to that team's talent. And they practiced and played to win.

This team is both comprised of a lot of 2nd tier players and they have barely played together. Plus, there are much better pros for a lot of other countries now.

I know Holliday led the US in scoring, but maybe when guys just get off the plane, you don't play them as much.


Yes, there’s a lot of second tier players. But are there even any first tier US big men? Valanciunas, Jokic, Gobert, Ayton, Embiid, Capela all from other countries. Outside of Towns, not much even there as options.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/25/2021 1:46 pm : link
'I don't know anything about Angola, but Angola's in trouble.'-The Chuckster, 1992. Haha...the good old days.
No true floor general and no truly great Big  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/25/2021 2:50 pm : link
Just a bunch of ISO scorers with average overall defense. It’s a really poorly built roster. They should still beat everyone else but I’m not surprised they’re struggling to find the right chemistry without a great pure PG setting it up.
RE: It is not just the world getting better  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/25/2021 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15312670 KDavies said:
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1992 you had Robinson, Ewing, Barkley, Malone at C and PF.

This year? Big guys are Bam Adebayo and Javele McGee. Are you kidding me? The rest of the world may have improved, but this team is not good. Other guards in the past were a lot more complete players as well. You think a Jordan or a Kobe or an LBJ is letting a Fournier go off like that?

The team has lost to Nigeria, Australia, and France. At one point do you accept the team is not very good?


Javale McGee is a Covid replacement and he's there because he has a very specific skill set that is great for FIBA rules, most notably as a rim clearer since there is no goaltending of defensive three seconds. He isn't going to play much but can be useful in certain situations, and he doesn't need the ball or heavy minutes.

LeBron, Curry, Kawhi, AD, Harden, CP3, Paul George, and Klay are sitting out the Olympics for various reasons but are top players in the sport. Their absence speaks to the quality of this roster relative to available talent, but it is not an indication of waning NBA talent as you said in your original post.

The 1992 Dream Team had all of the very best players in the NBA play for that team and they got to play against a world that was 30 years behind where they are now in basketball talent.

And yet, that all-time great team across any sport still lost in a scrimmage to a bunch of college kids.
McGee has no business being near an Olympic team  
KDavies : 7/25/2021 4:52 pm : link
they can’t find a better big man than him, who is not a liability in other aspects of the game? I can’t imagine how deep into the league the NBA would have gotten in the 92 dream team to get to a player like Javele McGee. And again, other than a Towns, what options passed them up that would have helped up front? All the players mentioned are smaller guys. It has been a pathetic showing thus far for them.
Davis and Towns are about the only good US big men  
KDavies : 7/25/2021 4:53 pm : link
both are lucky to make it through the NBA season, let alone play extra in the summer
Pop is an ass?  
JesseS : 7/25/2021 5:25 pm : link
I just want to pile on. There can only be one reason to think that. Dude is almost universally revered as a decent human being.
Shit I would have  
Bricktop : 7/25/2021 5:29 pm : link
brought up Luka Garza or a college big man. Javalle Mcgee? Come on.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/25/2021 5:33 pm : link
The 92 USA squad...Good Lord. That might be best team assembled ever in sports.
RE: Pop is an ass?  
KDavies : 7/25/2021 5:34 pm : link
In comment 15312916 JesseS said:
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I just want to pile on. There can only be one reason to think that. Dude is almost universally revered as a decent human being.


I seem to recall Pop did have a reputation as an ass with the press back in the day. He would act a lot like Belichick in press conferences. Then Pop began winning, and the media really lightened up on him.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/25/2021 5:38 pm : link
Pop has been winning since he practically came in the league. I think his first seasonon was one where The Admiral got injured early & SA tanked & somehow got Duncan first overall.
RE: Pop is an ass?  
section125 : 7/25/2021 5:47 pm : link
In comment 15312916 JesseS said:
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I just want to pile on. There can only be one reason to think that. Dude is almost universally revered as a decent human being.


Great coach with SA. Might be a great guy, but I do not like his attitude. A touch too arrogant for me. But of course all I every got was NY sports coverage which may be slanted.
RE: ...  
KDavies : 7/25/2021 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15312929 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Pop has been winning since he practically came in the league. I think his first seasonon was one where The Admiral got injured early & SA tanked & somehow got Duncan first overall.


Correct. He’s been winning for 25+ years. That said, he did deal with some initial criticism. Traded Rodman for Perdue as Spurs GM, and fired the head coach and he became head coach. He received a lot of criticism for that, and he got some criticism for the way he was in press conferences. He quickly shut up any critics by winning after that initial season.

I don’t care how he answers/non-answers in press conferences. I’m just saying I think that’s where he got any reputation as an ass from
KDavies.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/25/2021 5:52 pm : link
I hear ya. But The Admiral and The Worm...if memory serves, they...uh...didn't see eye to eye on much, if anything. Haha.
RE: RE: RE: couldnt happen to a nicer guy  
Ron Johnson : 7/25/2021 6:07 pm : link
In comment 15312691 Bricktop said:
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Pop is a great coach, hall of fame coach but he is such an ass



Where is this coming from?? Anyone I've ever talked to that is associated with the NBA talks about how Pop is one of the best people in the game. On top of that, Will Sevening and Brandon Bowman, the Spurs athletic trainers say that Pop is incredible to work with.



I think we all know where it's coming from. Sad.


Actually, we don’t all know. Can someone share for us casual NBA fans?
Ron Johnson.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/25/2021 6:10 pm : link
It is about the profession you share a name with a prominent Wisconsin individual who works in DC.
RE: Ron Johnson.  
Bricktop : 7/25/2021 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15312941 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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It is about the profession you share a name with a prominent Wisconsin individual who works in DC.


Heh heh. I like it.
RE: McGee has no business being near an Olympic team  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/25/2021 6:37 pm : link
In comment 15312901 KDavies said:
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they can’t find a better big man than him, who is not a liability in other aspects of the game? I can’t imagine how deep into the league the NBA would have gotten in the 92 dream team to get to a player like Javele McGee. And again, other than a Towns, what options passed them up that would have helped up front? All the players mentioned are smaller guys. It has been a pathetic showing thus far for them.


It was last minute and a lot of players around the league wanted to rest this year after the last two Covid seasons. They had to find someone who felt they were still in shape, who wanted to give up some of this offseason after back-to-back seasons with a compressed off-season last year, and who wanted to go to Tokyo, and who wanted to do it while still dealing with Covid protocols, no fans, etc. And this person would be coming in just to play very limited minutes in a reserve capacity.

And again, Javale McGee serves as a specialist because he does certain things very well. How far would the original Dream Team have had to look? They had a college big on the team.

The US went smaller and more versatile so that they could space the floor and switch better. Dray, Bam, and Durant are all capable of guarding and switching on and off larger AND smaller players and that is what the US was looking to do. The league has evolved to more spacing and more shooting and so bigs need to be a lot rangier and more nimble to be able to guard out in space.

My criticism of your post was conflating this roster with the overall quality of the NBA when this isn't the best collection of US talent by a long shot.

This team certainly has flaws and my hope is that they can develop more chemistry quickly so that they get into a better rhythm on both offense and defense and get more used to the FIBA physicality, because they still have an incredible amount of scoring talent compared with the rest of the world.
RE: Ron Johnson.  
giants#1 : 7/25/2021 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15312941 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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It is about the profession you share a name with a prominent Wisconsin individual who works in DC.


I thought it was Pop's comments bashing Knicks fans for trashing Fizdale.
RE: Pop being an ass is news?  
montanagiant : 7/25/2021 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15312697 nygiants16 said:
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i am sure he is very well liked within the spurs..
LOL...Popovich is one of the most respected liked coaches in the NBA by both fans and non-fans
RE: Ron Johnson.  
montanagiant : 7/25/2021 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15312941 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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It is about the profession you share a name with a prominent Wisconsin individual who works in DC.

Brilliant tie-in brother!
RE: RE: Pop being an ass is news?  
nygiants16 : 7/25/2021 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15312949 montanagiant said:
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i am sure he is very well liked within the spurs..

LOL...Popovich is one of the most respected liked coaches in the NBA by both fans and non-fans


yeah and i already said i was wrong thanks
RE: RE: RE: Pop being an ass is news?  
montanagiant : 7/25/2021 6:59 pm : link
In comment 15312956 nygiants16 said:
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i am sure he is very well liked within the spurs..

LOL...Popovich is one of the most respected liked coaches in the NBA by both fans and non-fans



yeah and i already said i was wrong thanks

I saw that after I posted, good on you!
Christian Laettner  
KDavies : 7/25/2021 7:17 pm : link
has nothing to do with anything. He was a token college player. If a Ewing opted out, for instance, there would have been a litany of better options beyond the 92 equivalent of Javele McGee
RE: Pop is an ass?  
giantstock : 7/25/2021 11:57 pm : link
In comment 15312916 JesseS said:
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I just want to pile on. There can only be one reason to think that. Dude is almost universally revered as a decent human being.


He is an ass. How can anyone excuse his behavior when he's is interviewed on TV during the game? We get it - he doesn't like it. Why can't he act normal like every other coach ALWYS does? Because maybe he wants to make it "about him?" I don't know. But he acts sometimes like a spoiled, rotten brat.

C'mon what he does is pretty rotten - and there is no need for it. I can recall after one time he's being interviewed during the game he was so bad- that Mark Jackson said right after "C'mon Coach, you're better than that." He wasn't talking directly to Popp it was after his in-game interview.

And he also gets a bug up his ass quite a bit with reporters,.

Mostly, the type of fan that excuses him are either SA fans, fans that think it cool to insult others, fans that hate the media, or people that are his equal in coaching community etc, or other famed stars etc.

RE: Pop is an ass?  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/26/2021 12:12 am : link
giantstock said:
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Mostly, the type of fan that excuses him are either SA fans, fans that think it cool to insult others, fans that hate the media, or people that are his equal in coaching community etc, or other famed stars etc.

I don’t fit any of those categories, and I think he’s terrific. Steve Kerr too.
RE: RE: Pop is an ass?  
Bricktop : 7/26/2021 12:19 am : link
In comment 15313077 giantstock said:
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I just want to pile on. There can only be one reason to think that. Dude is almost universally revered as a decent human being.



He is an ass. How can anyone excuse his behavior when he's is interviewed on TV during the game? We get it - he doesn't like it. Why can't he act normal like every other coach ALWYS does? Because maybe he wants to make it "about him?" I don't know. But he acts sometimes like a spoiled, rotten brat.

C'mon what he does is pretty rotten - and there is no need for it. I can recall after one time he's being interviewed during the game he was so bad- that Mark Jackson said right after "C'mon Coach, you're better than that." He wasn't talking directly to Popp it was after his in-game interview.

And he also gets a bug up his ass quite a bit with reporters,.

Mostly, the type of fan that excuses him are either SA fans, fans that think it cool to insult others, fans that hate the media, or people that are his equal in coaching community etc, or other famed stars etc.


"He is an ass."

"Mostly, the type of fan that excuses him are either SA fans, fans that think it cool to insult others..."

You can't make it up, folks.

RE: RE: Pop is an ass?  
giantstock : 7/26/2021 12:59 am : link
In comment 15313082 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Mostly, the type of fan that excuses him are either SA fans, fans that think it cool to insult others, fans that hate the media, or people that are his equal in coaching community etc, or other famed stars etc.


I don’t fit any of those categories, and I think he’s terrific. Steve Kerr too.


I said "MOSTLY."
RE: RE: RE: Pop is an ass?  
giantstock : 7/26/2021 1:00 am : link
In comment 15313083 Bricktop said:
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I just want to pile on. There can only be one reason to think that. Dude is almost universally revered as a decent human being.



He is an ass. How can anyone excuse his behavior when he's is interviewed on TV during the game? We get it - he doesn't like it. Why can't he act normal like every other coach ALWYS does? Because maybe he wants to make it "about him?" I don't know. But he acts sometimes like a spoiled, rotten brat.

C'mon what he does is pretty rotten - and there is no need for it. I can recall after one time he's being interviewed during the game he was so bad- that Mark Jackson said right after "C'mon Coach, you're better than that." He wasn't talking directly to Popp it was after his in-game interview.

And he also gets a bug up his ass quite a bit with reporters,.

Mostly, the type of fan that excuses him are either SA fans, fans that think it cool to insult others, fans that hate the media, or people that are his equal in coaching community etc, or other famed stars etc.




"He is an ass."

"Mostly, the type of fan that excuses him are either SA fans, fans that think it cool to insult others..."

You can't make it up, folks.


You're right-- you can't make up what as ass he projects himself to be on TV sometimes.

Thanks.
RE: RE: RE: Pop is an ass?  
Bricktop : 7/26/2021 1:01 am : link
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Mostly, the type of fan that excuses him are either SA fans, fans that think it cool to insult others, fans that hate the media, or people that are his equal in coaching community etc, or other famed stars etc.


I don’t fit any of those categories, and I think he’s terrific. Steve Kerr too.



I said "MOSTLY."


Hahahahaha.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Pop is an ass?  
giantstock : 7/26/2021 1:44 am : link
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I said "MOSTLY."



Hahahahaha.


Huh???????????

RE: RE: RE: RE: Pop is an ass?  
giantstock : 7/26/2021 2:09 am : link
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Mostly, the type of fan that excuses him are either SA fans, fans that think it cool to insult others, fans that hate the media, or people that are his equal in coaching community etc, or other famed stars etc.


I don’t fit any of those categories, and I think he’s terrific. Steve Kerr too.



I said "MOSTLY."



Hahahahaha.


Am I reading this right. You're excusing Popp form being a total prick on National TV that you'd even yell at a 4 year old for that type of behavior and you're excusing how he gets a bug up his ass with reporters and literally at sometimes goes over the top --

and is it that you think you're busting my chops because I didn't categorize every person on the planet the right way that excuses his behavior?

Are you nuts? If you have no problem with how he treats people on National TV and how he sometimes goes over the top and thrashes reporters- - that's your business.

I didn't grow up where I treated people like a piece of shit the way Popp has treated people during games and the reporters. And are you seriously trying to break my chops for it? He acts like an ass to all these different people and you are seriously trying to break my chops? Grow up if you are!
Giantstock: Your plea for civility is admirable.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/26/2021 12:12 pm : link
I agree that public figures and journalists should treat each other with respect. I don’t know whether Popovich is better or worse in that regard than Bill Parcells, Tom Coughlin, or lots of other coaches who act tough behind a lectern. To me, his conduct toward humanity writ large is the measure of the man, not his snarky post-game remarks.
I'd prefer..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2021 12:15 pm : link
a plea of civility that isn't fraught with hypocrisy.

That poster is the same one who calls Gettleman a Shitbag.

But supposedly he didn't grow up treating people like "shit" like Pop does.......
Therapy is needed for this dude  
Bricktop : 7/26/2021 12:22 pm : link
"I didn't grow up where I treated people like a piece of shit the way Popp has treated people during games and the reporters."


Dave Gettleman is a shitbag!
FMiC: Hate the sin. Love the sinner.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/26/2021 12:34 pm : link
Hate the post. Love the poster.

Kumbaya.
RE: ...  
Bill L : 7/26/2021 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15312929 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Pop has been winning since he practically came in the league. I think his first seasonon was one where The Admiral got injured early & SA tanked & somehow got Duncan first overall.


lol at tanked and "somehow" got Duncan.

Cause and effect.

(Bitter because the Celtics also tanked and ended up with the 3rd pick). (And, Pitino wasn't even smart enough to keep him (Billups).
RE: Giantstock: Your plea for civility is admirable.  
giantstock : 7/26/2021 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15313332 Big Blue Blogger said:
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I agree that public figures and journalists should treat each other with respect. I don’t know whether Popovich is better or worse in that regard than Bill Parcells, Tom Coughlin, or lots of other coaches who act tough behind a lectern. To me, his conduct toward humanity writ large is the measure of the man, not his snarky post-game remarks.


Do you see those in-game interviews? We get it- he's pissed he has to do them. But wtf, right? Why does he continue to rip the poor bastard that has to interview him?

As I said - even Mark Jackson called him out - though after Pop spoke and went back to the sidelines. Jax said it best "You're better that that, coach." The point is -- HE IS!

I can recall Pop being interviewed by Craig Sager's son when Craig was sick. He was incredibly nice and super super super respectful and he said at the end to Craig Sager Jr actually started right into the camera talking to Craig Sr who was probably watching - he made a comment to paraphrase "Get back here Craig- I promise I'll be nice." Super classy thing to say - then his next interviews with him and whoever it was in the weeks that follow he's the same ass again. What he's doing is "deliberate." He knows he's being an ass. Why do it?

That's why in his postgames or others as well- normally I can understand a coach going off. They are under a lot of stress. And sometimes some questions are incredibly stupid. But from what we see how he reacts during those in-game interviews- at least for me-- I don't trust his anger because he's being such a phony on National TV during those in game interviews. He's being "deliberately" insulting even though he knows it's wrong what he's doing.

It's not an "in the moment" thing with him. It's continually "deliberate" just trying to embarrass another person on National TV. How can anyone respect that? So yeah-- he's an ass.
RE: Therapy is needed for this dude  
giantstock : 7/26/2021 1:13 pm : link
In comment 15313354 Bricktop said:
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"I didn't grow up where I treated people like a piece of shit the way Popp has treated people during games and the reporters."


Dave Gettleman is a shitbag!


I can't ever recall ever calling him a shitbag. I have called him an asshole. Me and that poster that said I called him a shitbag hate each others guts. I've asked him not to reply to me anymore and I'm thankful he didn't.

But I'd like ot see the post I called him a shitbag.

I do think he's an ass. Just as I've called Popp an ass. How Dg denigrated many when he 1st came on after draft day - and how he further denigrated Kim Jones by referring to her as honey or some other term which seemed like it bothered her when Joe and Evan asked her about it. Though she didn't come out and say it- she paused - and it wasn't a strong reply.

I think the poster that said I called DG a shitbag is liar with other examples (His claim he never stood up for Dg and a post way back back I said I through Darnold was going to be a very good QB and he turned what I said into he'd be generational or the like. I'm not going to go back and provide links. Juts like he doesn't have to for saying I said Dg was a shitbag. If he does and I can see - I'd like to see the context. I lean toward that poster lying again though. ) - so on this I'd like to see why I called DG a shitbag if I did. But don't you think there is a little difference between a post on here vs going on National TV and embarrassing someone? This is they type of tie-in Fathead from Charlotte tries to tie in.

I see you are pro-Pop so ofc anything anyone digs on me - you're going to support it. Yet you haven't addressed that Pop acts like an ass during those interviews, right?

The tactic fathead uses is - he doesn't address the main point I made of Pop being an ass- which he asked of another poster that made the accusation as well. Instead he comes after me. If you hate me fine-- but that doesn't take away the fact that Pop is an ass, for how he acted, right? Hate me all you want - if you do. But your boy on National TV acts like a complete asshole. And all that can be done is come back at me with personal shots? That's Fathead's speed. I know that. But you know if I met Fathead and we were on National TV - I would try to be civil. Not look to embarrass. That's my issue with Pop. He doesn't seem to give a shit. Well- screw him.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2021 1:19 pm : link
you don't want me to "reply" to you, but you used that last post to call me "Fathead" several times??

But you didn't grow up where you treated people like shit? Fucking hypocrite.

When I show proof of your idiocy, you ignore it and then type in all caps like a screaming banshee.
I actually think most sideline reporters  
UConn4523 : 7/26/2021 1:30 pm : link
figured out a way to have a little fun with Pop, and its been that way for a while now. Its really overblown and overshadows all the good he does.

Why don't you ask Becky Hammon if she thinks Pop is a piece of shit.
RE: I actually think most sideline reporters  
giantstock : 7/26/2021 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15313441 UConn4523 said:
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figured out a way to have a little fun with Pop, and its been that way for a while now. Its really overblown and overshadows all the good he does.

Why don't you ask Becky Hammon if she thinks Pop is a piece of shit.


Every reporter that's been humiliated by him - likes it? Loves it? More than likely - they've accepted that he's just being an ass the same way other volatile coaches in the past may have been accepted as long as they win. I highly doubt they think it's "fun."

And why would I ask Becky Hammon about my opinion of what I've observed which no one has refuted to this point anyway (that he acts like an ass during in-game interviews)? Unless I missed it?

Back to the point --
The question on here to paraphrase was "Why do you say Popovich is an ass?" I provided information that when he is being interviewed during games he basically humiliated the reporters on National TV - and he basically admitted he knows what he is doing is wrong. So can you please why Becky Hammon's opinion on Pop has anything to do with him basically humiliating OTHER PEOPLE live on Nat'l TV?

Or do you feel what him humiliating people on National TV is okay?

So cool, you think he’s an ass  
UConn4523 : 7/26/2021 3:02 pm : link
Congrats? Couldn’t care less and as mentioned previously he’s done a heck of a lot for the game and the people that have historically had no voice or their voice minimized.

This is just alas dumb as the Aaron Rodgers threads.
Pop..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2021 3:43 pm : link
has established scholarships for at least two different university programs because of friends or associates who lost children in tragic ways.

Ask anyone around the league, Spur or not, and they will say he's one of the best people in the game.

But the guy sitting on his couch who hears a sideline interview calls him an ass. Sounds logical.
RE: So cool, you think he’s an ass  
giantstock : 7/26/2021 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15313507 UConn4523 said:
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Congrats? Couldn’t care less and as mentioned previously he’s done a heck of a lot for the game and the people that have historically had no voice or their voice minimized.

This is just alas dumb as the Aaron Rodgers threads.


Other posters asked the question. I answered. That's all. If you didn't care less then why did you even bother to reply?

And the point that he has done more for the game has again nothing to do with my point. Humiliating people on National TV doesn't count. I wonder how you'd feel if that was someone close to you getting humiliated?

After all, it's comforting to know that Doris Burke's children could take solace knowing what a great guy Pop is because he does so many other nice things as they watch their mother get thrashed by him on TV.
Can there be more..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2021 3:50 pm : link
hyperbole about his interviews??

I mean the way you guys exaggerate, you'd think Pop is the most verbally abusive coach ever and that reporters are cowering at his insults.

Does a thread have to turn into a farce to bolster a position??
I replied because I happen to think  
UConn4523 : 7/26/2021 3:54 pm : link
you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Which I actually don't care about at all, you can think what you want but wanted to remind you that there's another perspective to this and that's all the good he's done.

This is as "bad" as ive seen it and I'd define this as "stern" not him being an asshole. The in game interviews are jokes, he knows it, the interviewer knows it, and maybe everyone but you.
Tyrant Popovich - ( New Window )
By the way..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2021 3:54 pm : link
speaking of Doris Burke:

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I adore Gregg. I'll tell a story about Pop that will capture him. He loses Game 7 [of the 2013 NBA Finals]. I’m walking out of Miami Arena, and he’s gonna cross paths with me. I don’t even want to make eye contact with him. I put my head down and I step back and allow him to pass. And he grabs my shoulders and he turns me to him and he says, “Now what are you gonna do with your offseason?” I’m stunned, and I said, “I’m actually gonna make a trip to Napa.” He goes, “Doris, here’s my secretary’s email. You send her a note, tell her what you’re doing.” He sent me an email back with a list of places I should go. That captures Gregg Popovich in a nutshell.
Here's another story regarding Doris Burke  
giantstock : 7/26/2021 3:59 pm : link
That the other poster doesn't want to include or forgot to--

https://sports.yahoo.com/gregg-popovic-explains-why-he-acts-like-that-during-in-game-interviews-070317674.html?a20=1

"As collegial as Pop's visits with Sager have been in recent years, there is something unmistakably uncomfortable about many of his other interviews. I mean, there's a reason why other sideline reporters — most notably and openly ESPN's Burke, but also just about everybody else quoted in that 2013 ESPN.com feature — describe the moments before those interviews as nerve-wracking, anxiety-building, stomach-churning and cringe-inducing. It's because, no matter how forthcoming, open and engaging he can be in pre-game meetings or at breezy shootarounds, Pop responds to these interviews in ways that unnerve even seasoned professionals. He's making a choice to do that."


You do realize..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2021 4:04 pm : link
that the article you linked explains that he has a problem with the league having in-game interviews, right?? Or is that what you've intentionally forgot to tell us??

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I said [at the annual NBA head coaches' meetings], “I’m supposed to be setting the defense and offense to start the next quarter, and I can’t do my job because I’m doing this inane deal with whoever is asking me a question.” The questions are unanswerable. It’s like, “That quarter, you got killed on the boards. What are you going to do about it?” “Well, I’m going to conduct a trade during timeouts.” Or, “I’m going to ask them nicely to do a better job on the boards.” The questions just demand a trite quip, or something, so I just say, “You know, it just puts everybody in a stupid position.”


And in that article, there isn't a quote from Burke - and I included a quote from her above. You seem to be intent on dying on a hill over something really ridiculous, where you have to resort to exaggeration to try and support a shitty point.

Par for the course - or will I get accused of arguing in poor faith again, which is the way all of your points end up going?
RE: I replied because I happen to think  
giantstock : 7/26/2021 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15313557 UConn4523 said:
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you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Which I actually don't care about at all, you can think what you want but wanted to remind you that there's another perspective to this and that's all the good he's done.

This is as "bad" as ive seen it and I'd define this as "stern" not him being an asshole. The in game interviews are jokes, he knows it, the interviewer knows it, and maybe everyone but you. Tyrant Popovich - ( New Window )


I'm calling him an ass. There is "no moutnain." If oyu think humialting people on National TV is no big deal - fine. I'm not slamming you for that. I've offered my opinion that he is.

https://sports.yahoo.com/gregg-popovic-explains-why-he-acts-like-that-during-in-game-interviews-070317674.html?a20=1


And what does whether in-game interviews have a thing to do with why he mistreats people on National TV?

He does it from what I understand above because he's pissed ta the NBA for making him do it. SO he is taking it out on the in-game reporters. It's got nothing to do with making a mountain out of a molehill- just the fact that he's an ass for taking up this fight by humiliating others.

That's the definition in my book of an ass. What if it was your daughter, son or parent or someone close to you was getting humiliated like that? It's okay for the humiliation because he thinks doing the interview is stupid? It's okay to take it out on others?

If you think so- fine. I don't.

Form the posts I've seen from you over the years- I get the feeling you're a real nice guy. Would you continually humiliate people on National TV even though you knew they had nothing to with something you're being forced to do for a whopping two minutes/ two questions?

Gone for 3 - 4 hours  
giantstock : 7/26/2021 4:18 pm : link
Why should we excuse behavior that Pop knows is wrong because he is having a feud with the NBA Execs.

Treating people like crap who are not involved in your fight is freaking sooooooooooo wrong.
I do appreciate the kind words (i mean that)  
UConn4523 : 7/26/2021 4:38 pm : link
i'm fine with you thinking he's an ass. I guess I don't want it to overshadow the good he done which is enormous.

I do think his explanation on why he does it is interesting. I can't really blame the guy for not wanting to waste time on them. As a fan I always thought in-game interviews were dumb and I never really knew why they did them, always felt like the coach/manager should be prepping. Not being a kid anymore I realize why they do them, but maybe that's why I side with Pop on this one.
I mean, I don't even like Popovich  
Greg from LI : 7/26/2021 6:01 pm : link
But you're digging in your heels in a very weird way about it.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/26/2021 7:21 pm : link
In game interviews are dumb & I second what UConn wrote: I don't get their point. The coach is going to speak coach & no one learns a damn fine. And I think Pop gets that; & again, I think a lot of it is tongue in cheek, especially when he would do them with Sager. I think both-to a man-understood how pointless they were, but they did it because it was their job.

&, as mentioned, he's done a lot of good off the court.
RE: I mean, I don't even like Popovich  
giantstock : 7/26/2021 7:26 pm : link
In comment 15313663 Greg from LI said:
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But you're digging in your heels in a very weird way about it.


How so Greg? Hey I respect the hell out of Pop in terms of hoop. And just because I call him an ass - it doesn't mean I want the man nailed to the cross.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Doris-Burke-claims-that-Pop-s-sideline-behavior-7965774.php

All I'm doing is calling him an ass. Read the above link. What the hell is Pop doing other than making an ass out of himself? C'mon man. What the hell is he doing? In terms of Pop- = He can't answer two freakin' questions w/o tearing into someone?

But if I say he's an ass- what's the big deal anyway? This isn't directed at you specifically - but just as a final post on this - I made my point (looks like everything died down) - why not let it go? If you don't think so- fine with me. This thread some asked why he was an ass - and I responded. He doesn't need to have a bug up his ass by taking it out those that have nothing to do with the interview decision. But it shouldn't be a big deal by me calling him that.

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