The #Texans are now willing to listen — and have been for some time — to trade offers for star QB Deshaun Watson, multiple sources tell me and @RapSheet. But the price is high for a player of his caliber, and should be. It’d likely take at least three first-round picks and more.
Would you guys trade DJ and next years 1st rounders for Watson?
I just don’t buy this all being made up by the Texans to save money and get a high pick. I don’t like their ownership but there’s more on the line for them if they are caught lying than it would be worth to just save money on payin Watson.
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Let's give an example.
Deandre Baker? We all had to be patient and wait for the proper information to release and see what kind of move the Giants, or league, made. With Judge not even remotely interested in him returning, I feel like it gave a clear example what kind of personalities he's willing to put up with.
Watson gave this clean, I'm a good guy image, and turns out he's a guy who abuses his celebrity and is a massive narcissist and sexual predator.
I'm all for giving guys a chance. But he's not innocent. Why even suggest "well you can't do this in the future then, ya hypocrite!" nonsense.
Maybe I'm puffing my chest out because I try to be consistent about it.
I find the "I was framed!"/extortion excuses to be mostly hollow, and you can usually only find yourself in the middle of one when you're doing shady stuff to begin with. So I had no interest in awaiting Baker's due process when we already had heard that he was skipping meetings (and struggling to stay awake in the ones he bothered to attend), and had trouble even absorbing up the playbook. To be clear, I was not someone who was trying to defend Baker's future when the story broke, but I did have to go along for the ride as the story took each twist and turn, having each side take their moment to revel in whatever most recent news had broken about that odd case. I wanted Baker gone from the moment the story broke, and understood that there might be some contract mechanisms that made it favorable to wait for whatever legal steps might allow the team to get out from underneath the guaranteed money.
Likewise, I have no interest in Watson. I actually do agree with you on that. And I apologize for making you the designated callout on the point I was trying to make, which is that so many on BBI are quick to remind the board of the due process that our players are entitled to, but will also immediately determine that an accused player on another team is a piece of shit.
It is so rare that these players are genuinely clean when stories like this (or Baker's) surface. Has it happened? Yes. Is it the exception rather than the rule? Also, yes.
Personally, and in retrospect, I am not convinced that we didn't move too quickly in jettisoning Baker. I think we have made up for it in excess since then, but I somewhat think that, as it turns out he was able to play in the NFL, that he could end up still being an asset.
For Watson, I think his value is less public opinion (although the Giants are clearly one of the more sensitive teams to that) or even the outcome of the lawsuits, but what Goodell finally decides to do with him.
5 1st round picks, or even 3 1sts and 2nd's (it said 5 high draft picks) plus two starting caliber players (so let's say James Bradberry and Dexter Lawrence - but you can quibble over the players).
For a QB with a cap hit around 38M the next 4 seasons (after 2021).
Watson is a good QB, but I don't see how that trade is even a starting point. It's laughable, so I laughed.
When you add in the baggage (and I firmly believe there is a decent chance Watson is being played here, but also a chance where there's smoke...so I refuse judgment without more facts (or any facts)) but adding in the baggage has to impact his trade value like it or not.
That's a ridiculous ask. I wouldn't trade that for Mahomes.
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I just don’t buy this all being made up by the Texans to save money and get a high pick. I don’t like their ownership but there’s more on the line for them if they are caught lying than it would be worth to just save money on payin Watson.
When you are looking at multimillionaires and those with that potential it’s part of the equation. What’s on the line for the Texans here? Technically they aren’t attached to it at all. The lawyer doesn’t work for them, but he’s pretty connected to Easterby. This is all about punishing Watson. What percentage of these guys do you think are soliciting prostitutes? A bunch of young rich dudes hopped up on hormones? I’m not sure, but that number is high. The fact it’s a illegal is preposterous and I think most realize that. Do you want your QB doing it? No because it’s not ideal, but the hit is minuscule. It’s not like he’s out commiting crimes with victims which is much more problematic.
No criminal charges, civil case of 16 defendants with one lawyer all at the same time? It’s beyond fishy and haven’t seen any text messages or the like that even makes me think he was commiting sexual assault or anything that was close to non consensual.
If the NFL thought there was any smoke there they’d put him on exempt list, plenty of time to do their basic dillegence on the background of these women and texts.
5 1st round picks, or even 3 1sts and 2nd's (it said 5 high draft picks) plus two starting caliber players (so let's say James Bradberry and Dexter Lawrence - but you can quibble over the players).
For a QB with a cap hit around 38M the next 4 seasons (after 2021).
Watson is a good QB, but I don't see how that trade is even a starting point. It's laughable, so I laughed.
When you add in the baggage (and I firmly believe there is a decent chance Watson is being played here, but also a chance where there's smoke...so I refuse judgment without more facts (or any facts)) but adding in the baggage has to impact his trade value like it or not.
That's a ridiculous ask. I wouldn't trade that for Mahomes.
I don’t believe it’s five high picks plus the two players. I took it as a combo of that. Could be three picks and two players, two plus three, five and zero etc
Not sure how that pertains to the Texans owners. Are they the ones making up stories?
They are the ones putting pressure through the lawyer to have the women make it seem nonconsensual. I think the Evangelical angle here has a pertinent because it’s the only reason Easterby has a job and the situation has become very vindictive. That whole originization is poisoned by that crap.
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The NFL, which hates to take take PR hits, didn’t put him on the Exempt list which shows exactly what they think of this farce. Desaun Watson is being down dirty by that dumpster fire of an organization ran by a bunch of weirdo evangelicals. Jack Easyerby is poison and this was all done to have Watson take a financial hit this year while they suck and rebuild with the next guy. Pure punishment for not wanting to be part of that dumpster fire.
That is 100% conjecture on your part. Right now the league doesn't have to do anything. They are putting it on Houston now but I suspect the league will have something to say about that before the season starts.
It's not all conjecture. There's some truth in there. The Texans are one weird and fucked up franchise.
This I agree with. I’m not trading for Watson because I think DJ has his ceiling and the cost is going to be a fortune for a perennial top 5-8 25 year old QB. There are people that think what the Texans are asking for is ludicrous but someone is going to give them something close. The team sucked last year, but part of the reason he still put up stats was because the WR group was very deep in talent and had a nice pass catching back, plus they were always playing from behind.
Keep and eye on Las Vegas, it's the kind of wild move they could make.
Pre-2021 draft, Miami would have been in the driving seat. It would have been a near perfect fit and they could offer Tua in return to go with the picks. They had high first round picks, the Texans should have jumped on it if there had been an offer.
Philly getting Watson would be an enormous coup. But it won't be enough for Philly right away. They still have quite a few holes to fill.
And if they do get him, I have to imagine they have done enough homework - especially with the league office and Watson's attorney Hardin - to feel good about Watson's availability.
I heard Watson isn't scheduled to give depositions until next February, so this is going to drag out. Leaving more time for settlement or even some dismissals.
Like I said earlier, we should definitely be in on this if the outcome looks good for Watson. He's so much better than DJ it should be a lay-up decision...
Not sure why that needs to be said, but there it is.
If the NFL (and public opinion) wants to just assume guilty of every allegation thrown at him without due process, call him a piece of crap and suspend or ban him from the league, then so be it.
But he deserves a fair shake, even if the folks on this thread don't.
And I am not sure why that needs to be said, but there it is...
I agree with you for the most part, but it isn't even about him being guilty of assault, it's his being guilty of something that he has already admitted to - paying for sex with 22 women. While I personally don't think these should be crimes, very few teams are going to be lining up to trade a treasure chest for someone like that.
Funny how that worked out. Now it's laughable to even think about it in retrospect. Wasn't so funny then though. Should I go dig up the threads?
The owner and GM went out and forced Watson to ask for sexual favors during massages? Who knew?
Yes, I thought more highly of Watson out of Clemson than most, also. Totally irrelevant with this issue.
Funny how that worked out. Now it's laughable to even think about it in retrospect. Wasn't so funny then though. Should I go dig up the threads?
In Eli's second FY as a starter, the Giants were 11-5 and he was 24/17 and 3700+ yards. So it least he showed a pulse versus what we have seen from Jones.
Let me tell you something. If we got a deal to land Watson that most on this board would deem reasonable - and that's certainly in the eye of the beholder - anyone with an IQ over 70 would and should make that trade.
Because right now, Watson is challenging as a top five QB in the NFL. He's never had a bad year. Jones is lucky to be in the top 25 conversation right now.
So another poor attempt to rope Eli into the conversation.
In a trade, even if the Texans back down from 5 high draft picks, it would likely be 3 in a negotiation - which would still be too expensive.
In a trade, even if the Texans back down from 5 high draft picks, it would likely be 3 in a negotiation - which would still be too expensive.
Considering Watson's off field challenges, the 5 high picks is fantasy land stuff. Not that it couldn't happen, I just don't see it.
If the Texans said Jones (former high firster), next year's higher #1, our #1 in '23 and maybe a Peppers-type, would do pull the trigger?
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an equally poor attempt to equate a "good value" to the discussion.
In a trade, even if the Texans back down from 5 high draft picks, it would likely be 3 in a negotiation - which would still be too expensive.
Considering Watson's off field challenges, the 5 high picks is fantasy land stuff. Not that it couldn't happen, I just don't see it.
If the Texans said Jones (former high firster), next year's higher #1, our #1 in '23 and maybe a Peppers-type, would do pull the trigger?
Not I. To steep for a "damaged" player with that salary.
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an equally poor attempt to equate a "good value" to the discussion.
In a trade, even if the Texans back down from 5 high draft picks, it would likely be 3 in a negotiation - which would still be too expensive.
Considering Watson's off field challenges, the 5 high picks is fantasy land stuff. Not that it couldn't happen, I just don't see it.
If the Texans said Jones (former high firster), next year's higher #1, our #1 in '23 and maybe a Peppers-type, would do pull the trigger?
No, probably not. Watson will need to have his day in court, if it even reaches that.
And depending on that outcome, and if he gets another chance and the NYG are still floundering at QB in the near future, maybe rethink it then...
We have a very good young core - why jeopardize that and mortgage the future for a guy under the microscope?
Because you aren't getting Watson for a short term fix, he's a long term investment for the next decade. A proven, on field asset.
Because you aren't getting Watson for a short term fix, he's a long term investment for the next decade. A proven, on field asset.
Yeah but very firm legal ground definitely doesn't exist today and may not for some time. There are over 20+ alleged instances to go thru full discovery, or settlement as I mentioned earlier.
And the NFL will only do what is in their best interest...which is likely not aligned with Watson's.
We have a very good young core - why jeopardize that and mortgage the future for a guy under the microscope?
Do you think Peppers put up a Pro Bowl caliber season last year? My view is he played at that level after the first Eagles game, but was mediocre (and occasionally bad) prior. I don't claim to be a safety expert though.
I'm a hard no on Watson due to his off the field issues.
Yeah but very firm legal ground definitely doesn't exist today and may not for some time. There are over 20+ alleged instances to go thru full discovery, or settlement as I mentioned earlier.
And the NFL will only do what is in their best interest...which is likely not aligned with Watson's.
I hear you. But there is a lot of time between now and when Watson gives his first depo next February. My guess is he settles almost all of these before that.
Oh, I think Watson is definitely getting suspended. It's a matter of the length. But I'm okay with that because I would be looking at getting him as a buy and hold play for ten years.
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am I giving up two 1sts and a borderline Pro Bowler in his prime for a guy who might implode in NY.
We have a very good young core - why jeopardize that and mortgage the future for a guy under the microscope?
Do you think Peppers put up a Pro Bowl caliber season last year? My view is he played at that level after the first Eagles game, but was mediocre (and occasionally bad) prior. I don't claim to be a safety expert though.
I'm a hard no on Watson due to his off the field issues.
I think Peppers was playing very well in 2019 before his injury and was solid last season. Pro Bowl? Don't know. But definitely borderline.
The reality is this is getting dragged out and best case scenario he settles / gets cases thrown out, worst case scenario is a bunch of the stories stick. The truth is probably somewhere in between which is still very dicey.
A multi billion dollar organization will stay that way without Watson including an 0-17 season. Winning at all costs isn’t something the Giants are going to do and likely isn’t what most people would do in their shoes whether they admit it or not. Add in all the compensation you’d have to give up for him and potentially lose out on with no return and it’s a hard no for most people.
And one of the guys still hasn't had off the field issues.
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Yeah but very firm legal ground definitely doesn't exist today and may not for some time. There are over 20+ alleged instances to go thru full discovery, or settlement as I mentioned earlier.
And the NFL will only do what is in their best interest...which is likely not aligned with Watson's.
I hear you. But there is a lot of time between now and when Watson gives his first depo next February. My guess is he settles almost all of these before that.
Oh, I think Watson is definitely getting suspended. It's a matter of the length. But I'm okay with that because I would be looking at getting him as a buy and hold play for ten years.
You honestly think that with all of Watsons issues, both injuries and off the field, he’s got 10 more good years in him? Haha, yeah right. There’s no way you believe that but that’s what makes you, you. You willfully lie and say things that not even your sorry ass believes. And your lap dog JimmyGoogs eats it all up. I’m not sure if you’re a genius or I just incredibly narcissistic but either way, congratulations.
Now roll over before you fall asleep and tell Googs how you want him to respond….
I wouldn't say that. I'm saying this is worth some serious due diligence because Watson is an incredible player at the most important position. And with the unknown element of the legal issues, a team might be able to get Watson at a discount in value, maybe, and I'm making this up, for less compensation than a normal situation. So I would be willing to, again, take a short term hit for the long term gain. Plus, I have no idea who Jones is a QB other than two rather pedestrian years. Watson is such a better, proven player...
Look, I'm really just spit-balling here. And this is probably academic because the Giants very likely don't want to deal with the risk, especially after OBJ, Baker, etc. I would just hate to see DW come to the NFCE and we have to deal with his talent for a decade.
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because we aren't allowed to mention Eli and jones in the same breath around here, but how many people here would have mocked, laughed and sneered at anyone who dared to say they wouldn't trade 2006-2007 off-season Eli for a player like Jay Cutler? Or 2004-2005 off-season Eli for a player like Daunte Culpepper or Mark Bulger or McNabb or Carson Palmer?
Funny how that worked out. Now it's laughable to even think about it in retrospect. Wasn't so funny then though. Should I go dig up the threads?
In Eli's second FY as a starter, the Giants were 11-5 and he was 24/17 and 3700+ yards. So it least he showed a pulse versus what we have seen from Jones.
Let me tell you something. If we got a deal to land Watson that most on this board would deem reasonable - and that's certainly in the eye of the beholder - anyone with an IQ over 70 would and should make that trade.
Because right now, Watson is challenging as a top five QB in the NFL. He's never had a bad year. Jones is lucky to be in the top 25 conversation right now.
So another poor attempt to rope Eli into the conversation.
You missed the point. But nothing stops you anyway.
You honestly think that with all of Watsons issues, both injuries and off the field, he’s got 10 more good years in him? Haha, yeah right. There’s no way you believe that but that’s what makes you, you. You willfully lie and say things that not even your sorry ass believes. And your lap dog JimmyGoogs eats it all up. I’m not sure if you’re a genius or I just incredibly narcissistic but either way, congratulations.
Now roll over before you fall asleep and tell Googs how you want him to respond….
Why wouldn't I believe Watson could have ten more good years? He's three outstanding years in a row.
I don't mind helping you out here and reminding you what Watson's production looks like. See the link...
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it’s interesting that you are taking the glass half full stance on every potential Watson outcome. Why is that?
I wouldn't say that. I'm saying this is worth some serious due diligence because Watson is an incredible player at the most important position. And with the unknown element of the legal issues, a team might be able to get Watson at a discount in value, maybe, and I'm making this up, for less compensation than a normal situation. So I would be willing to, again, take a short term hit for the long term gain. Plus, I have no idea who Jones is a QB other than two rather pedestrian years. Watson is such a better, proven player...
Look, I'm really just spit-balling here. And this is probably academic because the Giants very likely don't want to deal with the risk, especially after OBJ, Baker, etc. I would just hate to see DW come to the NFCE and we have to deal with his talent for a decade.
If Watson is likely to lose his cases, the price will drop. If he is likely to win(or even reduce his exposure), his price will remain high, not this high, but high. The contract is high, but not outrageous and Houston eats the signing bonus money. He may miss time this year and if the issue is settled off season he will miss time next year. Giants would need to scramble to accommodate his contract.
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Yeah but very firm legal ground definitely doesn't exist today and may not for some time. There are over 20+ alleged instances to go thru full discovery, or settlement as I mentioned earlier.
And the NFL will only do what is in their best interest...which is likely not aligned with Watson's.
I hear you. But there is a lot of time between now and when Watson gives his first depo next February. My guess is he settles almost all of these before that.
Oh, I think Watson is definitely getting suspended. It's a matter of the length. But I'm okay with that because I would be looking at getting him as a buy and hold play for ten years.
You honestly think that with all of Watsons issues, both injuries and off the field, he’s got 10 more good years in him? Haha, yeah right. There’s no way you believe that but that’s what makes you, you. You willfully lie and say things that not even your sorry ass believes. And your lap dog JimmyGoogs eats it all up. I’m not sure if you’re a genius or I just incredibly narcissistic but either way, congratulations.
Now roll over before you fall asleep and tell Googs how you want him to respond….
You seem lost in space. My post to bw suggest an approach that is 180 degrees different on this topic.
Not exactly a lap dog but maybe that is how your pets treat you so it got confusing...
It aint happening. And you can criticize them all you want but it's hard to blast any franchise for staying away, especially when there's a first round QB on the team about to enter his prime, with everything lined up for that QB to succeed.
If this were next year and the charges were virtually wiped clean or in the past? That's another story. The timing is just off.
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am I giving up two 1sts and a borderline Pro Bowler in his prime for a guy who might implode in NY.
We have a very good young core - why jeopardize that and mortgage the future for a guy under the microscope?
Do you think Peppers put up a Pro Bowl caliber season last year? My view is he played at that level after the first Eagles game, but was mediocre (and occasionally bad) prior. I don't claim to be a safety expert though.
I'm a hard no on Watson due to his off the field issues.
I think Peppers was playing very well in 2019 before his injury and was solid last season. Pro Bowl? Don't know. But definitely borderline.
Thanks, Fatman - like I said, was not a fan of his in 2019 but he started catching my eye in mid-2020, so I started to think I may have been missing something earlier. Hope he continues the solid play.