The #Texans are now willing to listen — and have been for some time — to trade offers for star QB Deshaun Watson, multiple sources tell me and @RapSheet. But the price is high for a player of his caliber, and should be. It’d likely take at least three first-round picks and more.
Would you guys trade DJ and next years 1st rounders for Watson?
No.
Any team will wait for the legal resolution. Should the Giants decide to move on from Jones, and Watson is cleared, I would certainly hope the Giants are aggressive. They have the draft capital. Assuming Jones does not play welll, Gettleman is probably not brought back and a new GM would probably be more willing to move on from Jones.
Odds of some on here, being okay with that, but concerned about Toney’s character? Asking for a friend.
There would be some additional compensations to make it work and Rodgers would have to agree
There would be some additional compensations to make it work and Rodgers would have to agree
GB has always been a classy community, imo. No way they go for DW
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Rodgers for Watson makes too much sense
There would be some additional compensations to make it work and Rodgers would have to agree
GB has always been a classy community, imo. No way they go for DW
If you need an "unclassy" team and community to make a trade work, there is always Philadelphia. And they do have a lot of first round trade capital.
I did hear Watson is heading to camp so wonder when the NFL is going to come in and make their move here on him?
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Rodgers for Watson makes too much sense
There would be some additional compensations to make it work and Rodgers would have to agree
GB has always been a classy community, imo. No way they go for DW
If you need an "unclassy" team and community to make a trade work, there is always Philadelphia. And they do have a lot of first round trade capital.
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I'm not a huge Jones fan, but it makes no sense for NYG. If 2021 fails to go to plan, they're going to look to draft a QB next April.
I think Jones is going to tear it up this year.
I keep hearing how dominant Watson is, shouldn’t he have led his team to a better record? Isn’t that what elite QB’s do? Great numbers though.
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For Deshaun Watson, the @Texans price has been some combination of 5 high draft picks and starting caliber players, per two league executives.
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For Deshaun Watson, the @Texans price has been some combination of 5 high draft picks and starting caliber players, per two league executives.
With his baggage?? They are nuts!!!!
Watson is a great, great player. And the odds of Jones ever being as good as pretty slim. So this would be a massive upgrade.
Looks like someone just recused himself from all future "but he's innocent until proven guilty" threads about Giants players for the rest of his life.
I keep hearing how dominant Watson is, shouldn’t he have led his team to a better record? Isn’t that what elite QB’s do? Great numbers though.
So you're saying DJ isn't elite?
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For Deshaun Watson, the @Texans price has been some combination of 5 high draft picks and starting caliber players, per two league executives.
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See Judge being in favor to bring in that piece of shit.
Looks like someone just recused himself from all future "but he's innocent until proven guilty" threads about Giants players for the rest of his life.
Yeah, 22 women are lying. Please kindly fuck off.
You're really working hard lately to show how little you know about the world.
A "smaller market like Houston"?
Houston is the 4th largest city in the country behind only NYC, LA, and Chicago.
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See Judge being in favor to bring in that piece of shit.
Looks like someone just recused himself from all future "but he's innocent until proven guilty" threads about Giants players for the rest of his life.
Yeah, 22 women are lying. Please kindly fuck off.
I'm not trying to defend DW at all. I'm not hoping the Giants acquire him. I'm not sitting here waiting for him to be vindicated - I suspect there's a lot of fire when there's this much smoke.
I'm just not a fan of hypocrisy. So the next time a Giants player is accused of a significant transgression and some posters call for his release, you should just realize that you've already stepped beyond the whole "innocent until proven guilty" threshold.
Deandre Baker? We all had to be patient and wait for the proper information to release and see what kind of move the Giants, or league, made. With Judge not even remotely interested in him returning, I feel like it gave a clear example what kind of personalities he's willing to put up with.
Watson gave this clean, I'm a good guy image, and turns out he's a guy who abuses his celebrity and is a massive narcissist and sexual predator.
I'm all for giving guys a chance. But he's not innocent. Why even suggest "well you can't do this in the future then, ya hypocrite!" nonsense.
Deandre Baker? We all had to be patient and wait for the proper information to release and see what kind of move the Giants, or league, made. With Judge not even remotely interested in him returning, I feel like it gave a clear example what kind of personalities he's willing to put up with.
Watson gave this clean, I'm a good guy image, and turns out he's a guy who abuses his celebrity and is a massive narcissist and sexual predator.
I'm all for giving guys a chance. But he's not innocent. Why even suggest "well you can't do this in the future then, ya hypocrite!" nonsense.
Maybe I'm puffing my chest out because I try to be consistent about it.
I find the "I was framed!"/extortion excuses to be mostly hollow, and you can usually only find yourself in the middle of one when you're doing shady stuff to begin with. So I had no interest in awaiting Baker's due process when we already had heard that he was skipping meetings (and struggling to stay awake in the ones he bothered to attend), and had trouble even absorbing up the playbook. To be clear, I was not someone who was trying to defend Baker's future when the story broke, but I did have to go along for the ride as the story took each twist and turn, having each side take their moment to revel in whatever most recent news had broken about that odd case. I wanted Baker gone from the moment the story broke, and understood that there might be some contract mechanisms that made it favorable to wait for whatever legal steps might allow the team to get out from underneath the guaranteed money.
Likewise, I have no interest in Watson. I actually do agree with you on that. And I apologize for making you the designated callout on the point I was trying to make, which is that so many on BBI are quick to remind the board of the due process that our players are entitled to, but will also immediately determine that an accused player on another team is a piece of shit.
It is so rare that these players are genuinely clean when stories like this (or Baker's) surface. Has it happened? Yes. Is it the exception rather than the rule? Also, yes.
Why wouldn't they start there? And he reported to camp to avoid fines so they have some "leverage" on that. I suspect their real demands are lower but are sticking with the high return to get Watson to waive his NTC. If he's playing hardball on where he wants to go than I'd do exactly what they are doing too, play hardball back on the asking price.
Not sure why it would get pivoted in that direction. This should be about Watson's behavior with 22 women, not on the religious leanings of the Texan owners.
and this is coming from a poster who really can't stand the Religious Right.
Not sure how that pertains to the Texans owners. Are they the ones making up stories?
That is 100% conjecture on your part. Right now the league doesn't have to do anything. They are putting it on Houston now but I suspect the league will have something to say about that before the season starts.
I just don’t buy this all being made up by the Texans to save money and get a high pick. I don’t like their ownership but there’s more on the line for them if they are caught lying than it would be worth to just save money on payin Watson.
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Let's give an example.
Deandre Baker? We all had to be patient and wait for the proper information to release and see what kind of move the Giants, or league, made. With Judge not even remotely interested in him returning, I feel like it gave a clear example what kind of personalities he's willing to put up with.
Watson gave this clean, I'm a good guy image, and turns out he's a guy who abuses his celebrity and is a massive narcissist and sexual predator.
I'm all for giving guys a chance. But he's not innocent. Why even suggest "well you can't do this in the future then, ya hypocrite!" nonsense.
Maybe I'm puffing my chest out because I try to be consistent about it.
I find the "I was framed!"/extortion excuses to be mostly hollow, and you can usually only find yourself in the middle of one when you're doing shady stuff to begin with. So I had no interest in awaiting Baker's due process when we already had heard that he was skipping meetings (and struggling to stay awake in the ones he bothered to attend), and had trouble even absorbing up the playbook. To be clear, I was not someone who was trying to defend Baker's future when the story broke, but I did have to go along for the ride as the story took each twist and turn, having each side take their moment to revel in whatever most recent news had broken about that odd case. I wanted Baker gone from the moment the story broke, and understood that there might be some contract mechanisms that made it favorable to wait for whatever legal steps might allow the team to get out from underneath the guaranteed money.
Likewise, I have no interest in Watson. I actually do agree with you on that. And I apologize for making you the designated callout on the point I was trying to make, which is that so many on BBI are quick to remind the board of the due process that our players are entitled to, but will also immediately determine that an accused player on another team is a piece of shit.
It is so rare that these players are genuinely clean when stories like this (or Baker's) surface. Has it happened? Yes. Is it the exception rather than the rule? Also, yes.
Personally, and in retrospect, I am not convinced that we didn't move too quickly in jettisoning Baker. I think we have made up for it in excess since then, but I somewhat think that, as it turns out he was able to play in the NFL, that he could end up still being an asset.
For Watson, I think his value is less public opinion (although the Giants are clearly one of the more sensitive teams to that) or even the outcome of the lawsuits, but what Goodell finally decides to do with him.
5 1st round picks, or even 3 1sts and 2nd's (it said 5 high draft picks) plus two starting caliber players (so let's say James Bradberry and Dexter Lawrence - but you can quibble over the players).
For a QB with a cap hit around 38M the next 4 seasons (after 2021).
Watson is a good QB, but I don't see how that trade is even a starting point. It's laughable, so I laughed.
When you add in the baggage (and I firmly believe there is a decent chance Watson is being played here, but also a chance where there's smoke...so I refuse judgment without more facts (or any facts)) but adding in the baggage has to impact his trade value like it or not.
That's a ridiculous ask. I wouldn't trade that for Mahomes.
copycat sarcasm...
I just don’t buy this all being made up by the Texans to save money and get a high pick. I don’t like their ownership but there’s more on the line for them if they are caught lying than it would be worth to just save money on payin Watson.
When you are looking at multimillionaires and those with that potential it’s part of the equation. What’s on the line for the Texans here? Technically they aren’t attached to it at all. The lawyer doesn’t work for them, but he’s pretty connected to Easterby. This is all about punishing Watson. What percentage of these guys do you think are soliciting prostitutes? A bunch of young rich dudes hopped up on hormones? I’m not sure, but that number is high. The fact it’s a illegal is preposterous and I think most realize that. Do you want your QB doing it? No because it’s not ideal, but the hit is minuscule. It’s not like he’s out commiting crimes with victims which is much more problematic.
No criminal charges, civil case of 16 defendants with one lawyer all at the same time? It’s beyond fishy and haven’t seen any text messages or the like that even makes me think he was commiting sexual assault or anything that was close to non consensual.
If the NFL thought there was any smoke there they’d put him on exempt list, plenty of time to do their basic dillegence on the background of these women and texts.
5 1st round picks, or even 3 1sts and 2nd's (it said 5 high draft picks) plus two starting caliber players (so let's say James Bradberry and Dexter Lawrence - but you can quibble over the players).
For a QB with a cap hit around 38M the next 4 seasons (after 2021).
Watson is a good QB, but I don't see how that trade is even a starting point. It's laughable, so I laughed.
When you add in the baggage (and I firmly believe there is a decent chance Watson is being played here, but also a chance where there's smoke...so I refuse judgment without more facts (or any facts)) but adding in the baggage has to impact his trade value like it or not.
That's a ridiculous ask. I wouldn't trade that for Mahomes.
I don’t believe it’s five high picks plus the two players. I took it as a combo of that. Could be three picks and two players, two plus three, five and zero etc
Not sure how that pertains to the Texans owners. Are they the ones making up stories?
They are the ones putting pressure through the lawyer to have the women make it seem nonconsensual. I think the Evangelical angle here has a pertinent because it’s the only reason Easterby has a job and the situation has become very vindictive. That whole originization is poisoned by that crap.
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The NFL, which hates to take take PR hits, didn’t put him on the Exempt list which shows exactly what they think of this farce. Desaun Watson is being down dirty by that dumpster fire of an organization ran by a bunch of weirdo evangelicals. Jack Easyerby is poison and this was all done to have Watson take a financial hit this year while they suck and rebuild with the next guy. Pure punishment for not wanting to be part of that dumpster fire.
That is 100% conjecture on your part. Right now the league doesn't have to do anything. They are putting it on Houston now but I suspect the league will have something to say about that before the season starts.
It's not all conjecture. There's some truth in there. The Texans are one weird and fucked up franchise.