NFT: Yankees Trade

has a lot of red on his savant page, might be a nice little sleeper if the Yankees can figure him out.

other than their ages and minor league stats, but I struggle to see the appeal of Holmes, regardless of the cost.

What an awful trade. 28 year old with a 4.93 era and 1.43 whip in the terrible NL Central? Hahahaha. Cashman and his RP obsession….

At least Park should actually get to show what he’s got now. Good for him. He’s of no use to the Yankees until he’s 35 years old

and 15 HBP in 119 career innings.

He hits a batter every 8 innings. By comparison,the Yankees staff has hit one batter every 25 innings this season.

BBs and HBPs; just what you want from a relief pitcher.

Park had to go as Cashman continues his quest to rid the organization of left hand bats.

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That’s when the yanks have to set their 40 man roster, I think this is a strong indication that the Yanks did not plan to add either one to the 40 and decided to trade them where they would not come back to bite them.

I don’t think the return was important. This is someone they can remove from the roster at the end of the season and re-sign to a minor league deal if they want.

In comment 15313659 shyster said:

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and 15 HBP in 119 career innings. He hits a batter every 8 innings. By comparison,the Yankees staff has hit one batter every 25 innings this season. BBs and HBPs; just what you want from a relief pitcher. Park had to go as Cashman continues his quest to rid the organization of left hand bats.

You forgot to add that he’s got a vaunted .350 BA against with RISP. I can’t see why Cashman had his eyes on this prize

In comment 15313664 rich in DC said:

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That’s when the yanks have to set their 40 man roster, I think this is a strong indication that the Yanks did not plan to add either one to the 40 and decided to trade them where they would not come back to bite them. I don’t think the return was important. This is someone they can remove from the roster at the end of the season and re-sign to a minor league deal if they want.

You’re probably right. But saying “the return is not important” seems like a terrible business model and one that the Yankees seem to use annually when they are facing a roster crunch

I've got these two MILB INF'S I need to clear off for my November 40. I know it's July but it's never too early. Last year the Red Sox made me look like a fool and I've trained my fan base that the return doesn't matter.

One is at AA with an 850 OPS and one is at AAA with a 980 OPS.

I see you've got a guy in your bullpen who is 6'5" and about 250 lbs. You like that match? Perfect we have a deal. Yes I know he is below a replacement level pitcher but remember the return doesn't matter. I just added a guy who is 6'5" and 270 lbs. and he's below replacement level too. My kind of guys, plus you know what's it's like to work on such a tight budget. Thanks I'll have my people file the paperwork."

week?

We trade one of the few minor leaguers in Park who has good numbers in AAA. yeah, why not see what he can do in the majors. Stupid me for thinking that.

Are you even aware that the Yanks OUTRIGHTED Park to AAA- which allowed ANY ONE of the other 29 teams to claim him for NOTHING other than a 40 man roster spot. Not one team claimed him. Not one.

In other words, all these tears over Park’s stats are for nothing- not one of the other 29 teams- even Pittsburg who already knew that they would trade Frazier and have a middle INF spot available- or those powerhouse Orioles- felt the need for Park.

That means he had next to ZERO trade value. The Yanks clearly had no use for him- a team with their starting 3B out with COVID, their backup 3B out with a hand injury, a 2B who has to cover 1B- and the Yanks didn’t even give park a chance. Telling.

THAT is why the return is unimportant- the guy had a zero, and likely negative, trade value. Can’t expect to get a reasonable player for a guy without trade value. That’s why they had to add Castillo- a guy who isn’t among their top prospects and had little value in his own right- just to get a middling middle relief guy.

It is tiring to read all these armchair GMs on this site whine and moan daily- and have NO clue what they are talking about. Yes, this isn’t a strong playoff team- and might not even be a wild card team. But the posts. I’ve been reading over the past several weeks read like a 12 year old wrote them, not supposedly grown men with reasonable minds.

Get a grip people.

I don't necessarily disagree with your overarching point, Park has had a nice season but he's probably not a legit big leaguer, but I think you're off base about him being outrighted to AAA. Because he was a COVID emergency call-up they didn't have to expose him to waivers when they sent him down and removed him from the 40 man.

In comment 15313724 Kyle in NY said:

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I don't necessarily disagree with your overarching point, Park has had a nice season but he's probably not a legit big leaguer, but I think you're off base about him being outrighted to AAA. Because he was a COVID emergency call-up they didn't have to expose him to waivers when they sent him down and removed him from the 40 man.

This is correct. Park was not exposed to waivers.

Rich, since Park was called up due to COVID, he was not subject to any sort of league wide waivers when he was out righted.


In comment 15313711 rich in DC said:

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Are you even aware that the Yanks OUTRIGHTED Park to AAA- which allowed ANY ONE of the other 29 teams to claim him for NOTHING other than a 40 man roster spot. Not one team claimed him. Not one. In other words, all these tears over Park’s stats are for nothing- not one of the other 29 teams- even Pittsburg who already knew that they would trade Frazier and have a middle INF spot available- or those powerhouse Orioles- felt the need for Park. That means he had next to ZERO trade value. The Yanks clearly had no use for him- a team with their starting 3B out with COVID, their backup 3B out with a hand injury, a 2B who has to cover 1B- and the Yanks didn’t even give park a chance. Telling. THAT is why the return is unimportant- the guy had a zero, and likely negative, trade value. Can’t expect to get a reasonable player for a guy without trade value. That’s why they had to add Castillo- a guy who isn’t among their top prospects and had little value in his own right- just to get a middling middle relief guy. It is tiring to read all these armchair GMs on this site whine and moan daily- and have NO clue what they are talking about. Yes, this isn’t a strong playoff team- and might not even be a wild card team. But the posts. I’ve been reading over the past several weeks read like a 12 year old wrote them, not supposedly grown men with reasonable minds. Get a grip people.

a negative trade value? You know who has negative trade value? Tyler Wade, why is he still on the Yankees? Explain that to me. Why not give Park a chance while he's up here? On what planet does Castillo has little to no value? How about turning them into younger prospects who don't have to be on the 40-man?

The point is, only a stupid team would package talent to give away talent, even if said talent isn't deemed worthy by the parent club. Like...maybe Whitlock? This is like packaging Abreu with Whitlock so he's not claimed by the Red Sox? That's smart?

Being "smart" about numbers and the procedural side of baseball is what got Yankees into this mess in the first place. You accumulate talent, period. This is just like spending 29M in one IFA season, how did that turn out?

No matter how you can spin this, let's see who have better major league careers, Castillo + Park vs Holmes.

Minor league ball. I just know that some on here have talked about Park. I looked and seen that he had good numbers in AAA. He maybe another Refsnyder. My frustration is that this organization has no patience with of the younger players. Personally I would rather they release Gardner who I am a big fan of, but it’s time and give Florial a real chance to see what he can do. Anytime they bring up a position player and he goes 1-7 he gets sent down. We are not going anywhere this season. Gardner won’t be on the roster next season anyway. Why not let the Kids play.

Colter Bean, Kevin Thompson, etc. too. They pretty much ended up being what they were, AAAA players who put up great numbers in the minors and did little in the majors. Park is likely in the same category.

In comment 15313724 Kyle in NY said:

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I don't necessarily disagree with your overarching point, Park has had a nice season but he's probably not a legit big leaguer, but I think you're off base about him being outrighted to AAA. Because he was a COVID emergency call-up they didn't have to expose him to waivers when they sent him down and removed him from the 40 man.

Shhhhhh. Why let facts get in the way of a good Rich rant defending his love child Cashman?

Sorry Rich, you can’t have it both ways. If the Yankees are so paranoid that the Red Sox will claim a player they leave exposed, then you find a way to keep them. If that player is useless, then why do they care who may pick him up? There is a bunch of trash on this 40 man roster. If they valued either of these guys it’s easy enough to find room. There is literally no sense in making a trade with the idea that “return doesn’t matter”. Who the hell runs a business that way? Who the hell knows what Park will be. Maybe trash. But I do know that they had the opportunity to see for themselves at the MLB level and he got exactly ONE AB. ONE. That’s a great way to evaluate a player and also give other teams a chance to see him as well. What’s the worst possible outcome if getting him into some games? They end up having to trade him for some useless middle reliever that they will cut anyways? Great strategy there! You and Cashman have it all figured out.

Nobody wanted him…

In comment 15313756 Mike in St. Louis said:

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Nobody wanted him…

"Any clubs that experience a COVID-19 outbreak among their players may add to their Major League Active List temporarily, without the need for those players to be placed on waivers, outrighted, or optioned in order to be removed from the 40-man roster when players return from the COVID-19 Related Injured List."

The only reason Park was called up was because of Covid and he never had a 40 man position on the Roster to begin with .

I love seeing Yankee fans trying to justify this stupid trade like they did with Peralta earlier in the year

Maybe we can swing some other prospects for a 35 year old 6'5'' reliever.

Fucking odious.

We should be sellers not buyers.

In comment 15313724 Kyle in NY said:

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I don't necessarily disagree with your overarching point, Park has had a nice season but he's probably not a legit big leaguer, but I think you're off base about him being outrighted to AAA. Because he was a COVID emergency call-up they didn't have to expose him to waivers when they sent him down and removed him from the 40 man.

Yes, he WAS outrighted. Check the transaction on July 21. They didn’t have to outright him, but they did.

Yankee Transactions on mlb.com - ( New Window )

In comment 15313742 Jim in Hoboken said:

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a negative trade value? You know who has negative trade value? Tyler Wade, why is he still on the Yankees? Explain that to me. Why not give Park a chance while he's up here? On what planet does Castillo has little to no value? How about turning them into younger prospects who don't have to be on the 40-man? The point is, only a stupid team would package talent to give away talent, even if said talent isn't deemed worthy by the parent club. Like...maybe Whitlock? This is like packaging Abreu with Whitlock so he's not claimed by the Red Sox? That's smart? Being "smart" about numbers and the procedural side of baseball is what got Yankees into this mess in the first place. You accumulate talent, period. This is just like spending 29M in one IFA season, how did that turn out? No matter how you can spin this, let's see who have better major league careers, Castillo + Park vs Holmes.

The underlying fallacy in your argument that you are desperately trying to avoid is that in order to claim the Yanks are giving up talent is that MLB teams have to assess that the player has MLB talent.

In comment 15313753 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15313724 Kyle in NY said: Quote: I don't necessarily disagree with your overarching point, Park has had a nice season but he's probably not a legit big leaguer, but I think you're off base about him being outrighted to AAA. Because he was a COVID emergency call-up they didn't have to expose him to waivers when they sent him down and removed him from the 40 man. Shhhhhh. Why let facts get in the way of a good Rich rant defending his love child Cashman? Sorry Rich, you can’t have it both ways. If the Yankees are so paranoid that the Red Sox will claim a player they leave exposed, then you find a way to keep them. If that player is useless, then why do they care who may pick him up? There is a bunch of trash on this 40 man roster. If they valued either of these guys it’s easy enough to find room. There is literally no sense in making a trade with the idea that “return doesn’t matter”. Who the hell runs a business that way? Who the hell knows what Park will be. Maybe trash. But I do know that they had the opportunity to see for themselves at the MLB level and he got exactly ONE AB. ONE. That’s a great way to evaluate a player and also give other teams a chance to see him as well. What’s the worst possible outcome if getting him into some games? They end up having to trade him for some useless middle reliever that they will cut anyways? Great strategy there! You and Cashman have it all figured out.

Not ONE TEAM, not a one, claimed Park for free when given the opportunity. It doesn’t matter what you think or what insults you throw. It doesn’t change the FACTS that you continue to deny. Will no longer deal with posters who can’t accept facts.

caliber already? Like Thairo Estrada? Kaprielian would’ve looked good wearing pinstripes right about now. For years none of the prospects we traded away amounted to much, that seems to be changing now.

Listen, nobody is saying this trade will move the needle one way or the other, but your notion that the Yanks as an organization can do no wrong is blatantly false. It’s almost funny to see you come to Cashman’s rescue like we are picking on your sister or something.

At least you’ve conceded this year’s team isn’t some juggernaut in hibernation.

In comment 15313855 rich in DC said:

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In comment 15313724 Kyle in NY said: Quote: I don't necessarily disagree with your overarching point, Park has had a nice season but he's probably not a legit big leaguer, but I think you're off base about him being outrighted to AAA. Because he was a COVID emergency call-up they didn't have to expose him to waivers when they sent him down and removed him from the 40 man. Yes, he WAS outrighted. Check the transaction on July 21. They didn’t have to outright him, but they did. Yankee Transactions on mlb.com - ( New Window )

LOL - he was a COVID replacement. That means NOTHING. He was not exposed to waivers due to COVID rules.

just dumb

just dumb

by hook or by crook...

not only were they rule 5 eligible, they we also going to be minor league free agents at season's end.

plenty to complain about with this org right now. I don't think this transaction is worth the hand wringing. But you do you.

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In comment 15313855 rich in DC said:

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In comment 15313724 Kyle in NY said: Quote: I don't necessarily disagree with your overarching point, Park has had a nice season but he's probably not a legit big leaguer, but I think you're off base about him being outrighted to AAA. Because he was a COVID emergency call-up they didn't have to expose him to waivers when they sent him down and removed him from the 40 man. Yes, he WAS outrighted. Check the transaction on July 21. They didn’t have to outright him, but they did. Yankee Transactions on mlb.com - ( New Window )

Yes, he was outrighted to AAA but you're saying that teams had a chance to claim him then and that is not true. He was not exposed to waivers when he was sent down to AAA. Because he was an emergency call-up they could remove him from the 40-man without waivers. That's all

In comment 15313947 bigbluehoya said:

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by hook or by crook... not only were they rule 5 eligible, they we also going to be minor league free agents at season's end. plenty to complain about with this org right now. I don't think this transaction is worth the hand wringing. But you do you.

I get that neither have a long enough track record (or past hype where you believe this might be them finally breaking out) that you feel like you have to protect them in Rule 5 Draft if you are in a numbers crunch, but it seems like they probably could have brought back someone better than Holmes at that price

In comment 15313929 Justlurking said:

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In comment 15313855 rich in DC said: Quote: In comment 15313724 Kyle in NY said: Quote: I don't necessarily disagree with your overarching point, Park has had a nice season but he's probably not a legit big leaguer, but I think you're off base about him being outrighted to AAA. Because he was a COVID emergency call-up they didn't have to expose him to waivers when they sent him down and removed him from the 40 man. Yes, he WAS outrighted. Check the transaction on July 21. They didn’t have to outright him, but they did. Yankee Transactions on mlb.com - ( New Window ) LOL - he was a COVID replacement. That means NOTHING. He was not exposed to waivers due to COVID rules.

Again, this is true. Rich, wake up.