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Bill in UT : 7/26/2021 5:58 pm
While walking on a tightrope. :) Not really. I was asked in another thread when I was opening a restaurant. Truth is, I couldn't handle it for several reasons, one of which is that I suck at multitasking when cooking. I just can't keep up with 3 things going on the burners, something on the grill, something in the Instant Pot and a couple of things in the oven. Actually, I think my tolerance is about 2 things at once, lol. I do my best to minimize problems- I try to plan things I can make in advance, I make sure I never have multiple things that need different over temps (I put in a second over this year). I try to have things, ala Ina Garten, that don't need to be cooked at all. But here I am today (btw, it's Pacific time here). I've got 5 people coming for dinner. I've got Tasso ham on the smoker (albeit for another day), burnt ends in the sous vide to warm until they go in the smoker in 10 minutes. My brisket then goes in the sous vide to reheat. I've got the Instant Pot ready for mashed potatoes, and one oven set for roasted veggies, which I'll put in at different times cause they don't all cook at the same rate, and another set for a tomato tart on puff pastry. I've got to microwave cream and butter for the potatoes, and sweet and sour sauce, which I made in advance, for the brisket. I've got to get an oven set to warm, for things that finish early. And it's all compounded by the fact that I drink too much wine while I'm cooking. I give the restaurant guys a ton of credit. I often wonder wtf I'm doing it for. Anyone got a number for DoorDash? Anyone have similar experiences or horror stories?
Oh, and made  
Bill in UT : 7/26/2021 6:44 pm : link
dessert yesterday, a frosted carrot cake
I hope you were joking about  
allstarjim : 7/26/2021 7:33 pm : link
Sweet and sour sauce for the brisket.

You were just making sure we were paying attention, right?

That would be a serious food crime.
Depends on what you're making and how much you trust  
rnargi : 7/26/2021 7:39 pm : link
Your sous chef. I can pull a lot of things together but I do sit down for an hour the day before and write out the timeline, temps to build, prep work, Plating strategy, etc. It just takes patience and discipline
make Lasagna and a salad, you're done  
gtt350 : 7/26/2021 9:02 pm : link
j/k i'm pretty good at juggling in the kitchen, then again I had the best training possible at my Italian mother's side. My dad also was a terrific cook
Invite me over for a bowl of Shredded Wheat,  
CT Charlie : 7/26/2021 10:16 pm : link
with some wheat germ, plain yogurt, and almond milk – and I'm a happy guy. I'm only there for the conversation.
RE: I hope you were joking about  
Bill in UT : 7/27/2021 12:18 am : link
In comment 15313716 allstarjim said:
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Sweet and sour sauce for the brisket.

You were just making sure we were paying attention, right?

That would be a serious food crime.


I don't joke about food, lol. Made it, had it, and still like it.
RE: Depends on what you're making and how much you trust  
Bill in UT : 7/27/2021 12:20 am : link
In comment 15313723 rnargi said:
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Your sous chef. I can pull a lot of things together but I do sit down for an hour the day before and write out the timeline, temps to build, prep work, Plating strategy, etc. It just takes patience and discipline


Yep, I write out a timeline every time. It's still stressful, though, at least for me. Tonight actually went pretty well. I just forgot the horseradish in the mashed potatoes.
RE: Depends on what you're making and how much you trust  
Bill in UT : 7/27/2021 12:21 am : link
In comment 15313723 rnargi said:
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Your sous chef. I can pull a lot of things together but I do sit down for an hour the day before and write out the timeline, temps to build, prep work, Plating strategy, etc. It just takes patience and discipline


Sous chef, lol? I chase my wife out of the kitchen. I don't do well with someone else working around me, or getting in my way, as I see it. :)
RE: make Lasagna and a salad, you're done  
Bill in UT : 7/27/2021 12:23 am : link
In comment 15313763 gtt350 said:
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j/k i'm pretty good at juggling in the kitchen, then again I had the best training possible at my Italian mother's side. My dad also was a terrific cook


That might be my next menu :)
RE: Invite me over for a bowl of Shredded Wheat,  
Bill in UT : 7/27/2021 12:24 am : link
In comment 15313834 CT Charlie said:
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with some wheat germ, plain yogurt, and almond milk – and I'm a happy guy. I'm only there for the conversation.


I'm not sure I'd want to talk to someone who eats that shit, lol. :)
RE: RE: Depends on what you're making and how much you trust  
rnargi : 7/27/2021 7:53 am : link
In comment 15313904 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15313723 rnargi said:


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Your sous chef. I can pull a lot of things together but I do sit down for an hour the day before and write out the timeline, temps to build, prep work, Plating strategy, etc. It just takes patience and discipline



Sous chef, lol? I chase my wife out of the kitchen. I don't do well with someone else working around me, or getting in my way, as I see it. :)


LOL!! I like to cook with friends. My wife? Ehh....she asked me once a long time ago what she could do to help and I said "Leave the kitchen". She's not good in the kitchen, and she knows it, and accepts it.
I have a pretty large kitchen  
PA Aggie : 7/27/2021 8:16 am : link
But it gets way too small when my wife is in it while I am cooking. Whenever she is with me doing something on the 'work' side of the island, she takes over 90% of the countertop space in the whole kitchen?! She is an incredible baker, I leave her alone with her music when she is doing it. I wish she would do...the...same...for...me...
Hey Bill!  
Grey Pilgrim : 7/27/2021 8:24 am : link
You could set the menu and have someone else do the cooking.

HTH
RE: make Lasagna and a salad, you're done  
Bill in UT : 7/27/2021 8:40 am : link
In comment 15313763 gtt350 said:
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j/k i'm pretty good at juggling in the kitchen, then again I had the best training possible at my Italian mother's side. My dad also was a terrific cook


My mother was an awful cook. My dad taught me to make eggs. I don't know if you ever watch Jacques Pepin on TV. It's such a pleasure watching him cook with his young granddaughter. Lidia Bastianich really likes cooking with her grandkids, too, but they're older. Very nice and well mannered, tho. At least they come off that way on TV :)
A restaurant..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/27/2021 8:49 am : link
should be looked at as a business venture, not as a means of validating cooking skill.

I love to cook. I love to entertain. I like putting something in the smoker and hanging out on the patio with a few beers waiting for the slow breakdown of connective tissue to result in meat that melts in the mouth. I like the creativity of mixing different spices and sauces with a protein. But I would not want to do that on demand, night after night, for a bunch of people I may not know.

If cooking is a passion, the quickest way to ruin it is to have it turn into a business where cooking may offer a refuge, but staffing, food and liquor ordering and portioning and waste all has to be tightly controlled to eke out a profit. Then there's the pesky thing about how to take time off

So many restaurants fail, even if they are filled each night because of poor management that I just want to cook for family and friends and save a massive headache and probable financial ruin.
Come on Bill,  
section125 : 7/27/2021 8:57 am : link
you have never had 16(or more) peeps over for Thanksgiving? Through deaths, etc, we are down to 10-12 but the wife and I handle Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter all the time. Talk about Chinese fire drill - tripping over each other, fighting over the cooktop, double oven working overtime, trying not to burn each other... she has a timeline written down for each item, all the serving dishes labeled with post it notes...

Yeah I agree, how the hell do you do that for 12 hours a day and a hundred plus meals out quickly and perfectly.
RE: A restaurant..  
Bill L : 7/27/2021 9:16 am : link
In comment 15313975 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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should be looked at as a business venture, not as a means of validating cooking skill.

I love to cook. I love to entertain. I like putting something in the smoker and hanging out on the patio with a few beers waiting for the slow breakdown of connective tissue to result in meat that melts in the mouth. I like the creativity of mixing different spices and sauces with a protein. But I would not want to do that on demand, night after night, for a bunch of people I may not know.

If cooking is a passion, the quickest way to ruin it is to have it turn into a business where cooking may offer a refuge, but staffing, food and liquor ordering and portioning and waste all has to be tightly controlled to eke out a profit. Then there's the pesky thing about how to take time off

So many restaurants fail, even if they are filled each night because of poor management that I just want to cook for family and friends and save a massive headache and probable financial ruin.


For a while, I was making different types of sausage every weekend. Problem is, I'm the only one in my house (of two now, alas) who eats it (other than the chorizos or andouilles, etc which are add-ins to other dishes). I toyed with the post-retirement idea of a farmers market or food truck thingie but I'm wary that hobbies become PIA jobs when you have to do it for a living. Also, I'm would be worried about the liability in case someone got sick from something I made (hasn't happened yet, though).
Farmer's Markets..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/27/2021 9:18 am : link
are great ideas. I have a friend who started growing tomato plants as a hobby and then had so many varieties, he started selling individual pots of tomatoes and peppers and his offerings would be gone every time he had a stall.
Juggling  
Jimmy Googs : 7/27/2021 9:33 am : link
My wife and I tag-team all the bigger meals, especially if it requires grilling. Then I am outside and she is handling stove top and/or oven. Side burners on grill help too with any sauces.

But as you mentioned, rare we don't prep 1-2 dishes early and then let them sit in fridge or on counter. That way you can keep the pre-dinner cocktail glass in your hand and still pull it all together...
RE: Juggling  
section125 : 7/27/2021 9:38 am : link
In comment 15314022 Jimmy Googs said:
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My wife and I tag-team all the bigger meals, especially if it requires grilling. Then I am outside and she is handling stove top and/or oven. Side burners on grill help too with any sauces.

But as you mentioned, rare we don't prep 1-2 dishes early and then let them sit in fridge or on counter. That way you can keep the pre-dinner cocktail glass in your hand and still pull it all together...


yep....
RE: Come on Bill,  
Bill in UT : 7/27/2021 9:39 am : link
In comment 15313983 section125 said:
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you have never had 16(or more) peeps over for Thanksgiving? Through deaths, etc, we are down to 10-12 but the wife and I handle Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter all the time. Talk about Chinese fire drill - tripping over each other, fighting over the cooktop, double oven working overtime, trying not to burn each other... she has a timeline written down for each item, all the serving dishes labeled with post it notes...

Yeah I agree, how the hell do you do that for 12 hours a day and a hundred plus meals out quickly and perfectly.


My wife does holidays. Sometimes she'll ask me to make a specific thing, but basically I'm not involved. Oh, yeah, I do have to get down on the floor and expand the dining room table :)
We normally host..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/27/2021 9:58 am : link
14-20 on Thanksgiving, Easter and Christmas (when we stay in town).

We'll make the sides we can ahead of time and then there is a delineation from there. My wife handles all the baking and I handle all the cooking. I try to do as much on the grill and smoker as possible to keep the oven free for baked dishes, especially if anyone brings something and it needs to be heated up
want to learn how to juggle watch Beat Bobby Flay  
gtt350 : 7/27/2021 10:00 am : link
on food network.
My favorite show
Jaques Pipin is a pleasure to watch  
gtt350 : 7/27/2021 10:05 am : link
On one of those competing chef shows the one with Padma, someone asked the head judge (guy with the bald head) if Jaques Pipin could compete with these contestants,
The judge gave and amazed look and said are you kidding it would be no contest he even beat me
RE: want to learn how to juggle watch Beat Bobby Flay  
Jimmy Googs : 7/27/2021 10:11 am : link
In comment 15314052 gtt350 said:
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on food network.
My favorite show


We enjoy that as well. Flay is the king of pulling it all together, even on dishes he has never done.

Just really can't fathom when a competing chef tells him their signature dish is some kind of steak or southwestern dish. They have no chance of beating him.

Gotta go with some type of baking thing or asian dish...
I watched Beat Bobby Flay every day  
Bill in UT : 7/27/2021 12:36 pm : link
for about a month. I just got tired of it. He's a great chef, but he gets to be too much of a one-trick pony on the show. Everything has pomegranate molasses and Fresno chiles. He's a master of bold flavors, but half the time he doesn't even make the dish he's supposed to- he just makes something with the same protein that tastes better than the other guy's authentic dish. And the judges let him get away with it. And, yeah, it's a little nuts when people challenge him to something that's chile based or a brunch item. I've got a bunch of his recipes, but I almost never make them cause when I look at them, the ingredient list scares me off.
Bill,  
JohnG in Albany : 7/27/2021 12:51 pm : link
your opening comments about why you wouldn't open a restaurant reminded me of when I read Anthony Bourdain's Kitchen Confidential many years ago.

While he was discussing how hard it is to make a restaurant succeed, he said that a lot of people make the mistake of opening a restaurant because their family and friends tell them how good a cook they are.

His point was that being a good cook (even if that part is actually true) is a very small part of what's needed to make a restaurant succeed.
RE: Bill,  
Bill in UT : 7/27/2021 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15314201 JohnG in Albany said:
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your opening comments about why you wouldn't open a restaurant reminded me of when I read Anthony Bourdain's Kitchen Confidential many years ago.

While he was discussing how hard it is to make a restaurant succeed, he said that a lot of people make the mistake of opening a restaurant because their family and friends tell them how good a cook they are.

His point was that being a good cook (even if that part is actually true) is a very small part of what's needed to make a restaurant succeed.


Yeah, for sure. Being a great cook doesn't guarantee a successful restaurant. Otoh, being a lousy cook will probably doom you :) And as someone mentioned, doing it for a living can probably take some of the fun out of it. At least it adds a layer or pressure I don't need.
As much as I love to cook...  
JohnG in Albany : 7/27/2021 1:19 pm : link
it seems a brutal way to make a living.
RE: As much as I love to cook...  
Bill in UT : 7/27/2021 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15314221 JohnG in Albany said:
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it seems a brutal way to make a living.


yeah, but it must be nice to have someone doing the prep work for you :)
RE: I watched Beat Bobby Flay every day  
smshmth8690 : 7/28/2021 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15314187 Bill in UT said:
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for about a month. I just got tired of it. He's a great chef, but he gets to be too much of a one-trick pony on the show. Everything has pomegranate molasses and Fresno chiles. He's a master of bold flavors, but half the time he doesn't even make the dish he's supposed to- he just makes something with the same protein that tastes better than the other guy's authentic dish. And the judges let him get away with it. And, yeah, it's a little nuts when people challenge him to something that's chile based or a brunch item. I've got a bunch of his recipes, but I almost never make them cause when I look at them, the ingredient list scares me off.


Beat Bobby Flay. Next! (lol sorry, had to do it!)
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Bill in UT : 7/28/2021 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15315118 smshmth8690 said:
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In comment 15314187 Bill in UT said:


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for about a month. I just got tired of it. He's a great chef, but he gets to be too much of a one-trick pony on the show. Everything has pomegranate molasses and Fresno chiles. He's a master of bold flavors, but half the time he doesn't even make the dish he's supposed to- he just makes something with the same protein that tastes better than the other guy's authentic dish. And the judges let him get away with it. And, yeah, it's a little nuts when people challenge him to something that's chile based or a brunch item. I've got a bunch of his recipes, but I almost never make them cause when I look at them, the ingredient list scares me off.



Beat Bobby Flay. Next! (lol sorry, had to do it!)


Just to clarify this, our own Drew/smshmth did beat Bobby Flay in a Throwdown. Kudos :)
RE: RE: I watched Beat Bobby Flay every day  
Jimmy Googs : 7/28/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15315118 smshmth8690 said:
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In comment 15314187 Bill in UT said:


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for about a month. I just got tired of it. He's a great chef, but he gets to be too much of a one-trick pony on the show. Everything has pomegranate molasses and Fresno chiles. He's a master of bold flavors, but half the time he doesn't even make the dish he's supposed to- he just makes something with the same protein that tastes better than the other guy's authentic dish. And the judges let him get away with it. And, yeah, it's a little nuts when people challenge him to something that's chile based or a brunch item. I've got a bunch of his recipes, but I almost never make them cause when I look at them, the ingredient list scares me off.



Beat Bobby Flay. Next! (lol sorry, had to do it!)


What's the episode named and what did you cook?
RE: RE: RE: I watched Beat Bobby Flay every day  
Bill in UT : 7/28/2021 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15315312 Jimmy Googs said:
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Beat Bobby Flay. Next! (lol sorry, had to do it!)



What's the episode named and what did you cook?


Maybe Drew has something better, but I just found this short recap
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: I watched Beat Bobby Flay every day  
Bill in UT : 7/28/2021 2:27 pm : link
In comment 15315349 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15315312 Jimmy Googs said:


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Beat Bobby Flay. Next! (lol sorry, had to do it!)



What's the episode named and what did you cook?



Maybe Drew has something better, but I just found this short recap Link - ( New Window )


I don't think this video mentioned it, but the judges were Darryl Dawkins and Gloria Gaynor
The whole story is  
Bill in UT : 7/28/2021 2:35 pm : link
that Drew had to go through Bobby Flay to get to me :)
RE: The whole story is  
smshmth8690 : 7/29/2021 10:44 am : link
In comment 15315361 Bill in UT said:
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that Drew had to go through Bobby Flay to get to me :)


I'm not messing with Bill in UT!

I know I'm late posting this, so I'm not sure if it is going to be read by anyone! The whole 'Throwdown' was a promotion by the NJ Governor's Office 'Stronger Than The Storm' Campaign. It was filmed, but the tv show Throwdown wasn't in production, and our footage was never aired on Foodtv, as Bobby Flay started another show. I really didn't do Amy of the planning, they basically told me what to do, and when to do it, so I just went along from the ride.

A few things that I do remember was that Bobby Flay was an awesome guy. I spoke with him for a bit, and he was genuinely a down to earth guy. I had heard that he would take part of the promotion, but I have heard that he had a few stipulations. First, he would only do it against a Chef/Owner who lost their business to the storm. I have heard that he was being pressured to do the throwdown in a more visible location, but he apparently said that I was the guy, or he wasn't doing it. Secondly, to fit his schedule it was during a weekday, which was fine by me! We wound up doing the throwdown in front of about 2000 people, and needless to say, the exposure for my business was tremendous. I will always have utmost gratitude & respect for Bobby Flay. He showed up, signed tons of autographs, and talked with people, he couldn't have been a nicer guy, all on one hell of a hot day, I'm pretty sure it was over 100 degrees.
Well, glad it worked out well for you and everybody  
Jimmy Googs : 7/29/2021 10:50 am : link
that was involved. I forgot about those old Flay Throw Down shows as I don't think they air them anymore. We used to watch them a good bit.

thx
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