Cessa was out of options and couldn't be sent down without risking losing him for nothing. He has a really good arm but for some reason, he can't seem to get out of baserunner situations. He needs a "clean" inning. Someone you don't want to bring in with Runners on base. Wilson was just a flop the second time around. Cincy's bullpen is even worse than the Yankees' -- immediate upgrade for them. At the end of the day, I sense something is in the works -- either an addition or a sell-off of "extra" parts. It will be interesting to see. My bet is that there's a pricy addition(s) coming and they need to clear salary and roster space.
This was the price of escaping Wilson’s shitty deal
Cutting him wasn’t an option because of the tax. And Cessa was the most reliable reliever the Yankees had over the last few weeks, which is not much of a compliment
he should admit this year is lost and bring up the best of the farm hands. There is no way this team can be improved in any measurable way by dumping marginal players and replacing them with marginal players.
No interest in Joey Gallo and his inability to make contact.
they are dumping salaries and freeing up 2 spots on the 40-man roster; probably in anticipation of other roster moves to come (e.g., trades, promotions).
RE: No interest in Joey Gallo and his inability to make contact.
they are dumping salaries and freeing up 2 spots on the 40-man roster; probably in anticipation of other roster moves to come (e.g., trades, promotions).
I don’t get this one, but I think you may be right. Just idle speculation- isn’t there a rule that says you can’t trade a draft pick for 6 months after picking the player? Could that be why a PTBNL?
RE: RE: No interest in Joey Gallo and his inability to make contact.
High OBP, power, and most refreshingly....very seldom hits into double-plays. One of the better players in the league at avoiding the GIDP. (One thing to keep in mind as we constantly whine about 3-outcome players and pine endlessly for contact hitters)
Seems pretty clear that they are going to try to walk the tightrope of adding for this year while not ruining CBT reset that's evidently been priority #1 or 1A from the jump.
With Gallo, at least it comes with another year of control. I have no desire to give up anything of worth for Story.
High OBP, power, and most refreshingly....very seldom hits into double-plays. One of the better players in the league at avoiding the GIDP. (One thing to keep in mind as we constantly whine about 3-outcome players and pine endlessly for contact hitters)
Seems pretty clear that they are going to try to walk the tightrope of adding for this year while not ruining CBT reset that's evidently been priority #1 or 1A from the jump.
With Gallo, at least it comes with another year of control. I have no desire to give up anything of worth for Story.
Thats the measuring stick were looking at avoiding grounding into DP lol. Say pine endlessly for contact hitters on what planet is a gallo a contact hitter? Great he walks a lot and has some power that's more than half this shitty lineup.
Only way I'd endorse this move is that meant Hicks ass is gone next season but I wouldn't count on that.
my point was that everyone bitches and moans about contact nonstop, and then bitches and moans about GIDPs. There's a correlation there. Not all contact is good contact, and in a lot of ways, and in a lot of situations, a K is superior to a ground ball.
or against it quite yet, but View from 314 had a nice summary on the acquisition cost of Trevor Story, and it shouldn't be that high. The last 2 big name rental players that were traded were Manny Machado and Yu Darvish back in 2017 and 2018. The cost was a fringe top 100 prospect and organizational filler in both deals. Rentals just don't bring that great return. Their proposed trade was Ezequiel Duran and Kyle Holder for Story.
The exception to this was the 2016 deadline where we cornered the elite reliever market and dealt both Chapman and Miller.
say, a Story deal likely moves Gleyber back to 2B, and would give us a better defensive IF (assuming Voit's season is done). Gio-Story-Gleyber-DJ, left to right.
Are both vying for the title of baseballs dumbass of the year!
Pretty short sighted of you to make such a comment without seeing how this unfolds first. Seems to be a precursor to another deal, maybe they had to clear some payroll space first. Lets see how it unfolds before the trade deadline
my point was that everyone bitches and moans about contact nonstop, and then bitches and moans about GIDPs. There's a correlation there. Not all contact is good contact, and in a lot of ways, and in a lot of situations, a K is superior to a ground ball.
The MLB leader in GIDP is Juan Soto
Soto 17 GIDP
Soto 59 Ks
Gallo 3 GIDP
Gallo 125 Ks
He just doesn't make contact enough. And in the postseason, the pitching is better and contact skills are more valuable.
Which makes perfect sense once you understand the methodology.
Let's go through this in some kind of order to see how the Cashman Analytics Group got here. Take your best 2B who is a plus hitter & make him a bad SS and watch him turn into a bad hitter too because you gave 90 Million dollars to your 33 year old 2B that you'll probably have to move to 1B which his worst position because he's losing range and you have a DH playing 1B when he's healthy which isn't often.
But DH is blocked by the still owed after this year 190 Million dollar current DH who used to play the OF more than adequately but you won't let him because he's always hurt too. In addition the Catcher is really a DH and hurts the pitching staff and his bat gets worn down doing something he's bad at. Your best player who is an outstanding RF is 6'7" and 280 lbs and gets hurt a lot too. He would benefit from DHing a time or two a week but he's about fourth in line.
So it makes perfect sense to trade for a good SS and put him in CF. Shouldn't be an issue. He's only changing leagues for the first time and moving from a small market to NY. The CAG is all about putting players in the best positions for them and the team to succeed.
The old saying is that championship teams are strong defensively up the middle. It seems as though the CAG has data that disproves that theory. Lets look from the plate out. The Catcher is a DH. The SS is an adequate 2B but a terrible SS. The regular 2B is still an above average defender but he’s playing 1B because the 1B has been hurt almost all year. The replacement 2B is a below average defender. So the plan is trade for a SS and put him in CF to create the worst up the middle defense possible for the pitching staff. Makes perfect sense.
Kluber - injured after 10 starts (DL)
O'Day - injured after 10.2 innings (out for year)
Wilson - injured and then traded after 18 IP (7.50 ERA)
Jay Bruce - retired from baseball after 10 games
my point was that everyone bitches and moans about contact nonstop, and then bitches and moans about GIDPs. There's a correlation there. Not all contact is good contact, and in a lot of ways, and in a lot of situations, a K is superior to a ground ball.
The MLB leader in GIDP is Juan Soto
Soto 17 GIDP
Soto 59 Ks
Gallo 3 GIDP
Gallo 125 Ks
He just doesn't make contact enough. And in the postseason, the pitching is better and contact skills are more valuable.
I'd like to qualify for the postseason before I worry about whether the makeup of my hitters is a great fit for it.
.380 OBP and 140 wrc+
I get it about the strikeouts. But Brett Gardner is leading the NYY in GP for OF, and Ryan LaMarre was a starter last night. Let's keep in mind what we are upgrading from.
Side note - Gallo is a + defender with a + arm. An outfield of Gallo/Allen/Judge is quite strong defensively, both in fielding and throwing.
Juan Soto is a top 5 hitter in the game. True outlier in skill set. And yes, if he has one weakness it's that he hits the ball on the ground too much. Funny enough, his comment about hoping that the HR Derby would "fix" his swing actually looks like it worked. He's been absolutely launching the ball since the ASB.
my point was that everyone bitches and moans about contact nonstop, and then bitches and moans about GIDPs. There's a correlation there. Not all contact is good contact, and in a lot of ways, and in a lot of situations, a K is superior to a ground ball.
The MLB leader in GIDP is Juan Soto
Soto 17 GIDP
Soto 59 Ks
Gallo 3 GIDP
Gallo 125 Ks
He just doesn't make contact enough. And in the postseason, the pitching is better and contact skills are more valuable.
I'd like to qualify for the postseason before I worry about whether the makeup of my hitters is a great fit for it.
You have just perfectly described the Hal Steinbrenner era.
is not slugging enough, plain and simple. The strikeout issue is a bit overblown, we have the 12th most in the league. Not great, but it's manageable. But we're 17th in slugging percentage. Just an absolute killer for an offense built to hit the ball out (they were 7th, 3rd, and 2nd in this over the last three year). It's a bit hard to explain but this seems to be a product of a strange increase in ground ball percentage and, in my opinion, a heavy right handed lineup that's just not that difficult to pitch to for hard throwing RHP.
Gallo absolutely fits and fills a need. Left handed power, hits the ball in the air, good defense. Yeah I'd like to acquire Juan Soto too, but that ain't an option. Of what's out there, Gallo best fills a need and he's not a rental. Left field has been a black hole for us Link - ( New Window )
to make the playoffs. But to me, he's a more powerful Nick Swisher. He'll feast on the Orioles and walk back to the dugout with his head down in the playoffs.
Is he better than Gardner and Lamarre, yeah, but so fucking what? A shiftable lefty hitter who strikes out 200 times a year? Awesome for May against the goddamned Mariners.
A move can improve the team and still be a bad idea. I think trading for Gallo is one of those.
But since you brought him up, Swisher had an 124 OPS+ in four years in New York. We won a world series with him in the lineup. I can add a more powerful version of that? Sign me up. I understand the point that Swisher wasn't a good postseason hitter, but as others have said, right now we need to just worry about making the playoffs in the first place. If you'd just prefer to not buy, ride out the season, and figure it out in the offseason, I can understand that. But if they're buying now, Gallo is a fit. We'll see
I think that's part of the point of the tweet. We're talking about the most valuable franchise in the sport, if not all of sports, and Jay Bruce makes the 140-character list of the top moves that the org made in the last offseason to attempt to improve themselves.
i.e. not acceptable
It’s funny to see 200M roster full of glaring holes yet has so many
spare parts. Worse yet, to improve it the GM has to package assets to rid the unnecessary spare parts.
I don’t know what’s coming, but have appropriately adjusted my expectations already. The return doesn’t have to be important to now doesn’t have to be determined yet. Imagine what we’d have to give up for someone valuable…
they are dumping salaries and freeing up 2 spots on the 40-man roster; probably in anticipation of other roster moves to come (e.g., trades, promotions).
If they are at all like the Red Sox, they might also be looking forward to the Rule 5 draft. The Sox have a lot of players who will be exposed so they need to clear some space to protect some on the 40 man and also likely will need to pool a bunch for some random major leaguer who might contribute some but really reflects consolidation of the roster down through the potential Rule 5 losses.
But since you brought him up, Swisher had an 124 OPS+ in four years in New York. We won a world series with him in the lineup. I can add a more powerful version of that? Sign me up. I understand the point that Swisher wasn't a good postseason hitter, but as others have said, right now we need to just worry about making the playoffs in the first place. If you'd just prefer to not buy, ride out the season, and figure it out in the offseason, I can understand that. But if they're buying now, Gallo is a fit. We'll see
In almost 50 games, Swisher's post season OPS was < .575. He was worse than not good.
This is the Yankee mentality now. 200M payroll with expectations of midlevel mediocre success. The Hal Steinbrenner vision realized.
Count me out on Story if that's the level they want back. Luzardo has disappointed but there's still lots of ceiling there. No longer a blue chipper, but still strikes me as expensive for a rental.
RE: If Steinbrenner is so terrified of exceeding the luxury tax threshold
he should admit this year is lost and bring up the best of the farm hands. There is no way this team can be improved in any measurable way by dumping marginal players and replacing them with marginal players.
Agree...instead they traded their best AAA hitter who has remained down on the farm for the return of a downright awful relief pitcher. How does that make any sense?
on someone. Personally, I would like Baez on this team. Imagine him at SS with Gleyber back to 2nd. DJ stays at 1st. You gain a fiery player with power and speed on the base paths.
Gallo coming?
Acquiring Gallo would be peak Caahman
I don’t get this one, but I think you may be right. Just idle speculation- isn’t there a rule that says you can’t trade a draft pick for 6 months after picking the player? Could that be why a PTBNL?
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He'll hit moonshots in regular season games that don't matter and strike out with runners on in games that do.
Acquiring Gallo would be peak Caahman
Lol 100%. Man if they made that move ...
High OBP, power, and most refreshingly....very seldom hits into double-plays. One of the better players in the league at avoiding the GIDP. (One thing to keep in mind as we constantly whine about 3-outcome players and pine endlessly for contact hitters)
Seems pretty clear that they are going to try to walk the tightrope of adding for this year while not ruining CBT reset that's evidently been priority #1 or 1A from the jump.
With Gallo, at least it comes with another year of control. I have no desire to give up anything of worth for Story.
High OBP, power, and most refreshingly....very seldom hits into double-plays. One of the better players in the league at avoiding the GIDP. (One thing to keep in mind as we constantly whine about 3-outcome players and pine endlessly for contact hitters)
Seems pretty clear that they are going to try to walk the tightrope of adding for this year while not ruining CBT reset that's evidently been priority #1 or 1A from the jump.
With Gallo, at least it comes with another year of control. I have no desire to give up anything of worth for Story.
Thats the measuring stick were looking at avoiding grounding into DP lol. Say pine endlessly for contact hitters on what planet is a gallo a contact hitter? Great he walks a lot and has some power that's more than half this shitty lineup.
Only way I'd endorse this move is that meant Hicks ass is gone next season but I wouldn't count on that.
you and I didn't set it! look at this team! LOL.
it's uncanny, but it's a legitimate concern.
The exception to this was the 2016 deadline where we cornered the elite reliever market and dealt both Chapman and Miller.
Pretty short sighted of you to make such a comment without seeing how this unfolds first. Seems to be a precursor to another deal, maybe they had to clear some payroll space first. Lets see how it unfolds before the trade deadline
The MLB leader in GIDP is Juan Soto
Soto 17 GIDP
Soto 59 Ks
Gallo 3 GIDP
Gallo 125 Ks
He just doesn't make contact enough. And in the postseason, the pitching is better and contact skills are more valuable.
Voit is only a few days from returning.
Feinsand reported that one team interested in Story wanted him for CF, even though Story has never played the outfield, minors or majors.
Or Stanton would have go to LF.
Not sure if the Yanks really want to do either of these things (and therefore how serious the offer for Story was or will be).
Let's go through this in some kind of order to see how the Cashman Analytics Group got here. Take your best 2B who is a plus hitter & make him a bad SS and watch him turn into a bad hitter too because you gave 90 Million dollars to your 33 year old 2B that you'll probably have to move to 1B which his worst position because he's losing range and you have a DH playing 1B when he's healthy which isn't often.
But DH is blocked by the still owed after this year 190 Million dollar current DH who used to play the OF more than adequately but you won't let him because he's always hurt too. In addition the Catcher is really a DH and hurts the pitching staff and his bat gets worn down doing something he's bad at. Your best player who is an outstanding RF is 6'7" and 280 lbs and gets hurt a lot too. He would benefit from DHing a time or two a week but he's about fourth in line.
So it makes perfect sense to trade for a good SS and put him in CF. Shouldn't be an issue. He's only changing leagues for the first time and moving from a small market to NY. The CAG is all about putting players in the best positions for them and the team to succeed.
The old saying is that championship teams are strong defensively up the middle. It seems as though the CAG has data that disproves that theory. Lets look from the plate out. The Catcher is a DH. The SS is an adequate 2B but a terrible SS. The regular 2B is still an above average defender but he’s playing 1B because the 1B has been hurt almost all year. The replacement 2B is a below average defender. So the plan is trade for a SS and put him in CF to create the worst up the middle defense possible for the pitching staff. Makes perfect sense.
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But if we're looking at the fact that Gallo doesn't GIDP often than we've set the bar pretty low.
you and I didn't set it! look at this team! LOL.
it's uncanny, but it's a legitimate concern.
Lol touche!
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Yankees key offseason free agent signings (besides LeMahieu)
Kluber - injured after 10 starts (DL)
O'Day - injured after 10.2 innings (out for year)
Wilson - injured and then traded after 18 IP (7.50 ERA)
Jay Bruce - retired from baseball after 10 games
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my point was that everyone bitches and moans about contact nonstop, and then bitches and moans about GIDPs. There's a correlation there. Not all contact is good contact, and in a lot of ways, and in a lot of situations, a K is superior to a ground ball.
The MLB leader in GIDP is Juan Soto
Soto 17 GIDP
Soto 59 Ks
Gallo 3 GIDP
Gallo 125 Ks
He just doesn't make contact enough. And in the postseason, the pitching is better and contact skills are more valuable.
I'd like to qualify for the postseason before I worry about whether the makeup of my hitters is a great fit for it.
.380 OBP and 140 wrc+
I get it about the strikeouts. But Brett Gardner is leading the NYY in GP for OF, and Ryan LaMarre was a starter last night. Let's keep in mind what we are upgrading from.
Side note - Gallo is a + defender with a + arm. An outfield of Gallo/Allen/Judge is quite strong defensively, both in fielding and throwing.
Juan Soto is a top 5 hitter in the game. True outlier in skill set. And yes, if he has one weakness it's that he hits the ball on the ground too much. Funny enough, his comment about hoping that the HR Derby would "fix" his swing actually looks like it worked. He's been absolutely launching the ball since the ASB.
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my point was that everyone bitches and moans about contact nonstop, and then bitches and moans about GIDPs. There's a correlation there. Not all contact is good contact, and in a lot of ways, and in a lot of situations, a K is superior to a ground ball.
The MLB leader in GIDP is Juan Soto
Soto 17 GIDP
Soto 59 Ks
Gallo 3 GIDP
Gallo 125 Ks
He just doesn't make contact enough. And in the postseason, the pitching is better and contact skills are more valuable.
I'd like to qualify for the postseason before I worry about whether the makeup of my hitters is a great fit for it.
You have just perfectly described the Hal Steinbrenner era.
Gallo absolutely fits and fills a need. Left handed power, hits the ball in the air, good defense. Yeah I'd like to acquire Juan Soto too, but that ain't an option. Of what's out there, Gallo best fills a need and he's not a rental. Left field has been a black hole for us
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Post All Star Break, our team offense is:
6th in OBP
15th in SLG
12th in OPS
HR's still aren't there, but we are #1 in the majors in stolen bases since the break with 14. Next closest Marlins and Phils with 9.
Is he better than Gardner and Lamarre, yeah, but so fucking what? A shiftable lefty hitter who strikes out 200 times a year? Awesome for May against the goddamned Mariners.
A move can improve the team and still be a bad idea. I think trading for Gallo is one of those.
I think that's part of the point of the tweet. We're talking about the most valuable franchise in the sport, if not all of sports, and Jay Bruce makes the 140-character list of the top moves that the org made in the last offseason to attempt to improve themselves.
i.e. not acceptable
I don’t know what’s coming, but have appropriately adjusted my expectations already. The return doesn’t have to be important to now doesn’t have to be determined yet. Imagine what we’d have to give up for someone valuable…
If they are at all like the Red Sox, they might also be looking forward to the Rule 5 draft. The Sox have a lot of players who will be exposed so they need to clear some space to protect some on the 40 man and also likely will need to pool a bunch for some random major leaguer who might contribute some but really reflects consolidation of the roster down through the potential Rule 5 losses.
He started at first base on opening day.
In almost 50 games, Swisher's post season OPS was < .575. He was worse than not good.
This is the Yankee mentality now. 200M payroll with expectations of midlevel mediocre success. The Hal Steinbrenner vision realized.
Then do a complete overhaul of the roster.
This better be a VERY different team by opening day next spring.
Then do a complete overhaul of the roster.
This better be a VERY different team by opening day next spring.
Never going to happen. Cashman is like family to the Steins. And Cashman will do whatever he can to survive. He's a fucking cockroach.
Count me out on Story if that's the level they want back. Luzardo has disappointed but there's still lots of ceiling there. No longer a blue chipper, but still strikes me as expensive for a rental.
That would be my guess as well, I am more curious why Judge
was scratched 30 minutes before game time?
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Is my guess. Something else will be happening shortly.
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That would be my guess as well, I am more curious why Judge
was scratched 30 minutes before game time?
He got hit in the ass last night with a FB. Maybe his gluts or back tightened up.
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Is my guess. Something else will be happening shortly.
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That would be my guess as well, I am more curious why Judge
was scratched 30 minutes before game time?
He got hit in the ass last night with a FB. Maybe his gluts or back tightened up.
It's apparently not health/injury related. That leaves some kind of family emergency. I hope all is okay.
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Is my guess. Something else will be happening shortly.
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That would be my guess as well, I am more curious why Judge
was scratched 30 minutes before game time?
He got hit in the ass last night with a FB. Maybe his gluts or back tightened up.
It's apparently not health/injury related. That leaves some kind of family emergency. I hope all is okay.
Meredith just said she does not know and the Yanks have not said but was not on field for warm ups or BP..
Yeah, just heard that from Kay
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Hearing from multiple sources that Joey Gallo is being traded to the New York Yankees.
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Joey Gallo's dead.
I'm Joey Callo. C-a-l-l-o.