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| 22. Daniel Jones Tier 1 votes: 1 | Tier 3 votes: 28 | Tier 4 votes: 20 | Tier 5 votes: 1 | 2020 Tier: 3 The vote distribution for Jones this year is nearly identical to the distribution last year. Then as now, voters want to know why Jones holds the ball and suffers too many turnovers (a league-high 39 over the past two seasons, in 27 games). Is he a slow processor? Does he struggle to see the field? Will he build on whatever incremental progress was made last season? “Playing him, the thing that scares you the most about him was his ability to run with the ball,” a defensive coach said. “They were running some of the zone-read stuff, but he was running away from secondary guys. He also had the ability to throw the ball, but he was not consistent.” The return of Saquon Barkley and the additions of Kenny Golladay, Kadarius Toney and Kyle Rudolph have raised expectations. “They are built to be a seven-on-seven team with the weapons they have, and if he cannot put up points with this group, he never will be able to,” an exec said. The Giants averaged 17.4 offensive points per game in Jones’ starts last season, slightly less than the 1-15 Jaguars averaged. That was down from 19.7 during Jones’ 2019 rookie season. “The way of the NFL now is to rush these guys to be great early,” a quarterbacks coach said. “They are not given a chance to just develop and learn the game. Some guys come in right away and play well, but other guys need 2-3 years and then they are ready to roll.” The Bills’ Allen comes to mind in that latter group. He had a dozen fewer turnovers through two seasons than Jones has suffered. “Jones’ fatal flaw has been the turnovers, but it’s because he holds the ball too long,” a defensive coach said. “That worries me all the time. Sometimes it is a product of the offense. I’m not sure that is the case there. It’s like he doesn’t see things all the time. Philly ended the game with a strip-sack, not because they got a great rush, but because he holds the ball a long time. I worry that he cannot get past that.” A longtime offensive coach compared Jones to Dalton a decade ago. Put an excellent team around him and he’ll have a chance. Take away the above-average supporting cast, and prepare to struggle. Jones’ athleticism does separate him. He had an 80-yard run against the Eagles, punctuated by an open-field stumble. “I think there is enough ability there,” an exec said. “You can start and win with him. He’s another guy, two different coaches, a couple of different offenses, haven’t really had a lot of weapons around him. They tried to upgrade that this offseason and they got Saquon Barkley coming back. This will be the truest evaluation of him.” |
Remember the contrarian thing you ran with for a while?
Comic relief...
But then again, you spend most of the time telling people what posts are bad by them. Or bad looks.
Best example of hypocrisy on the board...
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Josh Allen - #6
Lamar Jackson - #7
Justin Herbert - #10
Great job, front office.
if you are going to value the rankings Josh Allen was #22 last year (entering year 3 same as Jones) and #29 the year before (year 2) after his rookie season, with a problem the expert commentators thought was an unfixable fatal flaw (his inaccuracy and 56% completion % through 2 years). Lamar Jackson was #28 going into his year 2. Herbert was unranked last year because he was a rookie.
Either Jones takes the Allen/Murray step forward this year or he doesn't. The insistence that it's already a foregone conclusion he won't or can't is tiresome. Mayfield has been in the league 1 year longer and he could still go either way too.
I'd say there's as much insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen
I am hopeful and in the wait and see camp, but why shouldn’t there be more optimism than pessimism among fans?
We want the team we follow to succeed and having other fans crap all over things that haven’t come to pass yet annoying. Will they celebrate if they are correct?
I don't believe the team deserves the benefit of the doubt until they actually prove it on the field. That goes for the team overall and Jones. So put me solidly in the I'll believe it when it happens camp.
As far as celebrating if they're correct, with the amount of crap hurled at BW and GT I wouldn't blame them for it. Not to say they're rooting for the Giants to lose, but they certainly would be entitled to an I told you so or 5.
Although some "optimists" have already expressed how they'll spin a poor season by the Giants to continue dumping on BW and GT
No doubt the team has been a disaster for some time.
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Josh Allen - #6
Lamar Jackson - #7
Justin Herbert - #10
Great job, front office.
if you are going to value the rankings Josh Allen was #22 last year (entering year 3 same as Jones) and #29 the year before (year 2) after his rookie season, with a problem the expert commentators thought was an unfixable fatal flaw (his inaccuracy and 56% completion % through 2 years). Lamar Jackson was #28 going into his year 2. Herbert was unranked last year because he was a rookie.
Either Jones takes the Allen/Murray step forward this year or he doesn't. The insistence that it's already a foregone conclusion he won't or can't is tiresome. Mayfield has been in the league 1 year longer and he could still go either way too.
I'd say there's as much insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen
There is very little, if any insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen.
You, and others, aren't paying attention to what some of us are stating. We have optimism that DJ will be fine. We did the same thing with Eli. We think that because we just saw a guy in Buffalo make the same transition, that we believe that DJ "CAN" do it too.
That's it. Don't read something into a conversation that isn't there.
P. Manning
D. Brees
C. Palmer
M. Bulger
T. Brady
P. Rivers
C. Pennington
T. Romo
D. McNabb
S. McNair
B. Roethlisberger
D. Huard
E. Manning
T. Brady
P. Manning
B. Favre
T. Romo
D. Brees
C. Palmer
D. Garrard
J. Cutler
M. Hasselbeck
D. Anderson
B. Roethlisberger
J. Garcia
K. Warner
D. McNabb
S. Rosenfels
P. Rivers
J. Campbell
M. Schaub
J. Kitna
C. Pennington
T. Jackson
J. Harrington
D. Culpepper
T. Edwards
V. Young
K. Boller
D. Huard
B. Griese
B. Croyle
C. Lemon
E. Manning
K. Clemens
M. Bulger
R. Grossman
S. McNair
J. McCown
A. Smith
T. Dilfer
P. Manning
P. Rivers
K. Warner
J. Cutler
C. Pennington
M. Ryan
E. Manning
D. McNabb
M. Schaub
A. Rodgers
T. Romo
J. Delhomme
K. Collins
D. Garrard
J. Garcia
J. Campbell
These lists aren't bedrock. They are far from accurate. And they most definitely won't tell you a very accurate future.
The Giants obviously have faith in our young OL to improve significantly, plus additions may be made before the season begins. The weapons have definitely been upgraded. There is no reason to be pessimistic at this point in the season. We all are very well aware of the past, but the past is not always indicative of future results.
Root for your team. It will be better, maybe playoff bound.
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Josh Allen - #6
Lamar Jackson - #7
Justin Herbert - #10
Great job, front office.
if you are going to value the rankings Josh Allen was #22 last year (entering year 3 same as Jones) and #29 the year before (year 2) after his rookie season, with a problem the expert commentators thought was an unfixable fatal flaw (his inaccuracy and 56% completion % through 2 years). Lamar Jackson was #28 going into his year 2. Herbert was unranked last year because he was a rookie.
Either Jones takes the Allen/Murray step forward this year or he doesn't. The insistence that it's already a foregone conclusion he won't or can't is tiresome. Mayfield has been in the league 1 year longer and he could still go either way too.
I'd say there's as much insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen
You're reading the room with a forgone conclusion in your mind.
There is very little, if any insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen.
You, and others, aren't paying attention to what some of us are stating. We have optimism that DJ will be fine. We did the same thing with Eli. We think that because we just saw a guy in Buffalo make the same transition, that we believe that DJ "CAN" do it too.
That's it. Don't read something into a conversation that isn't there.
There's been plenty of posts crowning him since his rookie year. Sorry I haven't taken the time to catalog them, but maybe ok start.
And people have won powerball before, does that mean I CAN? Yes. Does that change the likelihood that I WILL? No.
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Josh Allen - #6
Lamar Jackson - #7
Justin Herbert - #10
Great job, front office.
if you are going to value the rankings Josh Allen was #22 last year (entering year 3 same as Jones) and #29 the year before (year 2) after his rookie season, with a problem the expert commentators thought was an unfixable fatal flaw (his inaccuracy and 56% completion % through 2 years). Lamar Jackson was #28 going into his year 2. Herbert was unranked last year because he was a rookie.
Either Jones takes the Allen/Murray step forward this year or he doesn't. The insistence that it's already a foregone conclusion he won't or can't is tiresome. Mayfield has been in the league 1 year longer and he could still go either way too.
I'd say there's as much insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen
You're reading the room with a forgone conclusion in your mind.
There is very little, if any insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen.
You, and others, aren't paying attention to what some of us are stating. We have optimism that DJ will be fine. We did the same thing with Eli. We think that because we just saw a guy in Buffalo make the same transition, that we believe that DJ "CAN" do it too.
That's it. Don't read something into a conversation that isn't there.
There's been plenty of posts crowning him since his rookie year. Sorry I haven't taken the time to catalog them, but maybe ok start.
And people have won powerball before, does that mean I CAN? Yes. Does that change the likelihood that I WILL? No.
1 question for you - what was your reaction to Jones' first start vs. the Bucs his rookie year?
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Josh Allen - #6
Lamar Jackson - #7
Justin Herbert - #10
Great job, front office.
if you are going to value the rankings Josh Allen was #22 last year (entering year 3 same as Jones) and #29 the year before (year 2) after his rookie season, with a problem the expert commentators thought was an unfixable fatal flaw (his inaccuracy and 56% completion % through 2 years). Lamar Jackson was #28 going into his year 2. Herbert was unranked last year because he was a rookie.
Either Jones takes the Allen/Murray step forward this year or he doesn't. The insistence that it's already a foregone conclusion he won't or can't is tiresome. Mayfield has been in the league 1 year longer and he could still go either way too.
I'd say there's as much insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen
You're reading the room with a forgone conclusion in your mind.
There is very little, if any insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen.
You, and others, aren't paying attention to what some of us are stating. We have optimism that DJ will be fine. We did the same thing with Eli. We think that because we just saw a guy in Buffalo make the same transition, that we believe that DJ "CAN" do it too.
That's it. Don't read something into a conversation that isn't there.
There's been plenty of posts crowning him since his rookie year. Sorry I haven't taken the time to catalog them, but maybe ok start.
And people have won powerball before, does that mean I CAN? Yes. Does that change the likelihood that I WILL? No.
1 question for you - what was your reaction to Jones' first start vs. the Bucs his rookie year?
Was that the one they won because TB Cundiff'd it as time expired?
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Josh Allen - #6
Lamar Jackson - #7
Justin Herbert - #10
Great job, front office.
if you are going to value the rankings Josh Allen was #22 last year (entering year 3 same as Jones) and #29 the year before (year 2) after his rookie season, with a problem the expert commentators thought was an unfixable fatal flaw (his inaccuracy and 56% completion % through 2 years). Lamar Jackson was #28 going into his year 2. Herbert was unranked last year because he was a rookie.
Either Jones takes the Allen/Murray step forward this year or he doesn't. The insistence that it's already a foregone conclusion he won't or can't is tiresome. Mayfield has been in the league 1 year longer and he could still go either way too.
I'd say there's as much insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen
You're reading the room with a forgone conclusion in your mind.
There is very little, if any insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen.
You, and others, aren't paying attention to what some of us are stating. We have optimism that DJ will be fine. We did the same thing with Eli. We think that because we just saw a guy in Buffalo make the same transition, that we believe that DJ "CAN" do it too.
That's it. Don't read something into a conversation that isn't there.
There's been plenty of posts crowning him since his rookie year. Sorry I haven't taken the time to catalog them, but maybe ok start.
And people have won powerball before, does that mean I CAN? Yes. Does that change the likelihood that I WILL? No.
1 question for you - what was your reaction to Jones' first start vs. the Bucs his rookie year?
Was that the one they won because TB Cundiff'd it as time expired?
last time I checked Daniel Jones didn't play special teams or defense in that game so that's not really pertinent to the question since it was, you know, about his performance that game.
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In comment 15315562 Eric on Li said:
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Josh Allen - #6
Lamar Jackson - #7
Justin Herbert - #10
Great job, front office.
if you are going to value the rankings Josh Allen was #22 last year (entering year 3 same as Jones) and #29 the year before (year 2) after his rookie season, with a problem the expert commentators thought was an unfixable fatal flaw (his inaccuracy and 56% completion % through 2 years). Lamar Jackson was #28 going into his year 2. Herbert was unranked last year because he was a rookie.
Either Jones takes the Allen/Murray step forward this year or he doesn't. The insistence that it's already a foregone conclusion he won't or can't is tiresome. Mayfield has been in the league 1 year longer and he could still go either way too.
I'd say there's as much insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen
You're reading the room with a forgone conclusion in your mind.
There is very little, if any insistence that he's going to take a leap like Allen.
You, and others, aren't paying attention to what some of us are stating. We have optimism that DJ will be fine. We did the same thing with Eli. We think that because we just saw a guy in Buffalo make the same transition, that we believe that DJ "CAN" do it too.
That's it. Don't read something into a conversation that isn't there.
There's been plenty of posts crowning him since his rookie year. Sorry I haven't taken the time to catalog them, but maybe ok start.
And people have won powerball before, does that mean I CAN? Yes. Does that change the likelihood that I WILL? No.
There are 2 clear sides;
- those that insist that he is bad
- those that believe that he might be good.
No one is crowning DJ.