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Jay on the Island : 7/28/2021 10:13 am
Free agency begins today so please post any FA moves or trades here.

The Avalanche and captain Gabriel Landeskog come to terms on an eight-year, $56 million contract extension.

Tyson Barrie re-signed with Edmonton. 3 year deal.

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
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All signs point to UFA G Jonathan Bernier signing with New Jersey today.
As we reported before, UFA G Jaroslav Halak should be signing with Vancouver.
I wonder if UFA G James Reimer ends up in SJ or Vegas?
Still lots to play out with goalies.

Some deals announced  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 10:17 am : link
7 years for $5.5M for Hyman in Edmonton. 5 years NMC, and modified the last 2.

Alec Martinez extension with VGK is 3 years for $5.25M per

Tyson Barrie with 3 years at $4.5M per in Edmonton

Looks like Goalie Freddy Anderson is going to sign with Carolina.

ADA deal with Carolina looks to be 1 year for $1M

Brandon Montour  
Jay on the Island : 7/28/2021 10:18 am : link
re-signs with the Panthers 3 years $10.5 million.

D Mike Reilly signs with the Bruins 3 years $9 million.

Zach Hyman signs 7 year deal with Edmonton.
According to Freidman  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 10:22 am : link
looks like Palmieri is staying with the Islanders. No word on terms yet.
All deals will be made  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 10:42 am : link
official at noon. Looks like

Nick Bonino to San Jose.

Calgary acquiring DMan Nikiti Zadorov from Chicago.
G Petr Mrazaek  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 10:43 am : link
to Toronto on a 3 year deal.
As expected  
Jay on the Island : 7/28/2021 10:47 am : link
Zach Parise will sign with the Islanders.
Joel Armia  
Jay on the Island : 7/28/2021 10:50 am : link
Signs a 4 year deal $13.6 million dollar deal with Montreal.
Edmonton  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 11:26 am : link
trading D Ethan Bear to Carolina for F Warren Foegele.
Great article with Islanders Internal & External targets  
GiantBlue : 7/28/2021 11:27 am : link
Should be fun!!!!
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D Ryan Suter  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 11:37 am : link
signing with Dallas- 4 years, $3.5M per

Antii Raanta to Carolina- 1 year, $2M
RE: Some deals announced  
ColHowPepper : 7/28/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15314937 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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7 years for $5.5M for Hyman in Edmonton. 5 years NMC, and modified the last 2....
Based on what I saw in SCP, I think that's crazy money and term for him
Big deal here:  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 11:39 am : link
Devils sign DMan Dougie Hamilton for 7 years, looks to be around $63M total (~$9M per)
Kypreos  
jv : 7/28/2021 11:40 am : link
says Hamilton to the Devils for 7 years and north of $60m
Jimmy Hayes  
jv : 7/28/2021 11:41 am : link
posted that Blake Coleman is going to Calgary. 6 years $4.9 per
Yeah 4 years for Sutter is insane  
Stu11 : 7/28/2021 11:42 am : link
Guy is 36 years old. He's still a top 4 guy in the right situation but should be for 1 or 2 years at a time
Friedman has the Panthers trading Dadanov to Vegas  
Stu11 : 7/28/2021 11:46 am : link
Man the Knights wheel and deal.
Just say NO to Eichel  
ColHowPepper : 7/28/2021 11:49 am : link
at terms bandied about. I'd do it for a 1st and 2nd 2022, Robertson, Chytil, and Schneider
RE: Yeah 4 years for Sutter is insane  
BrettNYG10 : 7/28/2021 11:51 am : link
In comment 15315056 Stu11 said:
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Guy is 36 years old. He's still a top 4 guy in the right situation but should be for 1 or 2 years at a time


I don't understand why the Wild couldn't trade him and eat half instead of this. I guess the NMC made it better for Suter to get bought out and sign a new deal?
C Alex Wennberg to  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 11:54 am : link
the Kraken
Big move for the Devils  
Jay on the Island : 7/28/2021 11:56 am : link
They've finally addressed the defense this offseason by adding Hamilton and Graves. Now let's just hope that they get 4-5 good years out of Hamilton because the end of that deal will probably be rough.
Wenneberg  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 11:59 am : link
gets 3 years and $4.5M AAV.

Jordan Martinook resigns with Carolina at 3 years, $1.8M per. Nice signing there.
C Sean Kuraly  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 12:08 pm : link
goes from Boston to CBJ on a 4 year deal.

Luke Glendenning going to Dallas on a 2 year deal at $1.5M per.

G Brian Elliott going to TB, 1 year deal around $900K.

G Martin Jones to  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 12:13 pm : link
Philly.

Granlund back to Nashville at 4 years, $5M per.

Goligoski to the Wild for 1 year at $5M.

G Braden Holtby going to Dallas for 1 year.
RE: Big move for the Devils  
Stu11 : 7/28/2021 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15315081 Jay on the Island said:
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They've finally addressed the defense this offseason by adding Hamilton and Graves. Now let's just hope that they get 4-5 good years out of Hamilton because the end of that deal will probably be rough.

Yep the back end will probably hurt on that deal, but it's a move they needed to do. Their PP closer resembled monkeys humping a football than it did an NHL team last year. They had to add some vets to the ridiculous collection of 23 and unders they have ammased. Bernier is a solid add as a good vet 1A/2 type goalie. Adding some some goal scoring with a top 6 type fwd would be perfect bit with this FA class I don't see it unless maybe a guy like Mike Hoffman.
Boone Jenner  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 12:18 pm : link
reups with CBJ at 4 years, $3.75M per.

DMan Derek Forbort signs with Boston at 3 years, $3M per.

Parise looks to be returning to the Devils.

wait Parise  
KDubbs : 7/28/2021 12:34 pm : link
is he coming to isles or devils???
Cody Ceci  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 12:35 pm : link
gets 4 years at $3.25 with Edmonton.

Gotta say the Nemeth deal looks pretty good with some of this crazy money thrown around to very average DMen.

Bogosian back to TB at 3 years, $850K per.

Sharks signing James Reimer.
RE: wait Parise  
Stu11 : 7/28/2021 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15315141 KDubbs said:
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is he coming to isles or devils???

Yeah everyone had him to the Isles but now it seems like it's the Devils.
Rangers  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 12:40 pm : link
signing DMan Jarred Tinordi for 2 years at $900K per. He can be fully buried in Hartford with that deal I believe.

Getzlaf signing a 1 year deal to stay in Anaheim.
RE: RE: wait Parise  
Mike in NY : 7/28/2021 12:41 pm : link
In comment 15315147 Stu11 said:
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is he coming to isles or devils???


Yeah everyone had him to the Isles but now it seems like it's the Devils.


Person who originally posted retracted and blamed it on associating LL with the Devils.
RE: RE: wait Parise  
Jay on the Island : 7/28/2021 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15315147 Stu11 said:
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is he coming to isles or devils???


Yeah everyone had him to the Isles but now it seems like it's the Devils.

That would be awesome. It's not the top 6 forward that they need but he adds value as a bottom 6 forward. Most importantly he provides much needed leadership up front.
RE: RE: RE: wait Parise  
KDubbs : 7/28/2021 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15315155 Mike in NY said:
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is he coming to isles or devils???


Yeah everyone had him to the Isles but now it seems like it's the Devils.



Person who originally posted retracted and blamed it on associating LL with the Devils.


man free agency is usually a letdown for us Isles fans and I was ready to give up all hope if Parise had changed his mind to NJ
RE: RE: RE: RE: wait Parise  
Stu11 : 7/28/2021 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15315160 KDubbs said:
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is he coming to isles or devils???


Yeah everyone had him to the Isles but now it seems like it's the Devils.



Person who originally posted retracted and blamed it on associating LL with the Devils.



man free agency is usually a letdown for us Isles fans and I was ready to give up all hope if Parise had changed his mind to NJ

Seems like a twitter guy got confused about Lou Lams. I think he's going to the Isles like everyone said originally
It would make no sense for Parise to sign on with  
Mike from Ohio : 7/28/2021 12:59 pm : link
a team in full on rebuild mode at his age. I think him signing with the Isles is still the most likely outcome.
RE: Rangers  
Giants in 07 : 7/28/2021 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15315153 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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signing DMan Jarred Tinordi for 2 years at $900K per. He can be fully buried in Hartford with that deal I believe.

Getzlaf signing a 1 year deal to stay in Anaheim.


Fought and beat Tom Wilson last year

Tom Wilson is dictating the Rangers offseason
Rangers sign Jared Tinordi to a two year deal  
redbeard : 7/28/2021 1:09 pm : link
AAV is 900k

He's just a depth defensemen who shouldn't see the ice unless injuries take a toll....but if Drury (ie Slats) turns this promising young team into the gritty gritters who grit I'm going to be fucking furious
Nothing wrong  
five5 : 7/28/2021 1:13 pm : link
With Tinordi signing. Tough kid. 7th defenseman
Is Nemeth signing…  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/28/2021 1:19 pm : link
official? Is it still happening?
Nemeth  
five5 : 7/28/2021 1:28 pm : link
3/7.5 I believe
Nick Ritchie  
five5 : 7/28/2021 1:30 pm : link
Would love to sign him. No clue if NYR have interest.
.  
JayBinQueens : 7/28/2021 1:55 pm : link
The Pittsburgh Penguins sign Brock McGinn to a 4-year, $11M contract with a $2.75M AAV
grubaur 6 years, 35 mil  
JayBinQueens : 7/28/2021 1:56 pm : link
to Seattle
I could live with Ritchie on the fourth line  
redbeard : 7/28/2021 1:58 pm : link
dude is a brick shithouse on skates and actually produced some offense this year. However I just hope they don't sign a bunch of depth vets to take a bottom six spot away from Barron. The kid brings the size they clearly want and deserves a legitimate shot to make the squad with what he did at Cornell and in Hartford
Rangers  
five5 : 7/28/2021 2:01 pm : link
signed Greg McKegg to 1 year 2 way contract.
.  
JayBinQueens : 7/28/2021 2:02 pm : link
Phil Danault has signed with the LA Kings, six years, $5.5M AAV
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redbeard : 7/28/2021 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15315320 JayBinQueens said:
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Phil Danault has signed with the LA Kings, six years, $5.5M AAV


yeesh...that's a hefty deal
RE: Rangers  
redbeard : 7/28/2021 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15315316 five5 said:
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signed Greg McKegg to 1 year 2 way contract.


There has got to be a more substantial move coming. I can't imagine they fired Gorts and JD just so Slats and Drury could tinker the bottom of the roster
RE: .  
Anakim : 7/28/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15315320 JayBinQueens said:
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Phil Danault has signed with the LA Kings, six years, $5.5M AAV


Good for Drury to avoid that
RE: Big deal here:  
Jints in Carolina : 7/28/2021 2:08 pm : link
In comment 15315050 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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Devils sign DMan Dougie Hamilton for 7 years, looks to be around $63M total (~$9M per)


Not sure he is worth all that
Kraken  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 2:09 pm : link
making another splash.

Jaden Schwartz gets 5 years at $5.5M
RE: .  
TeamSchlitz1 : 7/28/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15315320 JayBinQueens said:
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Phil Danault has signed with the LA Kings, six years, $5.5M AAV


Thrilled NYR didn't win that bidding contest. Love him as a player but not sure it would be worth the trouble to flip him and Strome. Would rather give Barron a chance or buy a 4th line center in the 2 million and under category.
NYR oddly silent  
JonC : 7/28/2021 2:14 pm : link
but suppose it's a good thing they're not overspending on Centers.
RE: grubaur 6 years, 35 mil  
Mike in NY : 7/28/2021 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15315308 JayBinQueens said:
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to Seattle


That surprises me with Dreidger and Vanecek from expansion draft
.  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 2:24 pm : link
Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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Hearing BOS and Erik Haula are heating up
.  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 2:31 pm : link
Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
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Tomas Nosek agrees to 2 years $3.5 deal with the Bruins. AAV $1.75 mil
Alex Edler signs with the Kings  
Jay on the Island : 7/28/2021 2:37 pm : link
1 year $3.5 million
According to  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 3:17 pm : link
McKenzie things are "dead quiet" on the Eichel front.

If so, with all the musical chairs today, have to think a few of the potential suitors have dropped out simply due to cap constraints (LAK, potentially Minny). Not sure who really remains as potential fits in addition to the Rangers, maybe MTL? ANA?

If Eichel is the prize here, hopefully this game of chicken has paid off for Drury, as Adams is seeing his options vanish. If not, the Rangers will have some cap space to maneuver and take on whatever comes available throughout the year, while seemingly still having a potential deadline asset in Strome.

Re Eichel  
jv : 7/28/2021 3:26 pm : link
Larry Brooks has had several tweets today that seem an awful lot like they're the front office negotiating through the media.
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Trading Braden Schneider would simply be a repeat of the same mistakes the rangers have been making for generations.

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In one corner: Zibanejad at $10M (plus?) for seven years starting at age 29. In the other: Eichel at $10M for five years starting at age 25, immediate health concerns, plus the cost of acquisition.

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In a vacuum, sending Chytil and Kravtsov to Buffalo in package for Eichel is certainly reasonable. But after already moving out Buchnevich, dealing those two young forwards would destroy the organization's depth up front. Team would be one top-six injury away from calamity.
Can someone please fill me on Tony DeAngelo?  
Jints in Carolina : 7/28/2021 3:30 pm : link
Canes fans are pissed off that he may sign with Carolina.

Cancer in the locker room? I genuinely do not know the cause of the hysteria.
DeAngelo  
jv : 7/28/2021 3:38 pm : link
Had some incidents while in junior. He was suspended for abuse towards and official and also by his team for using a slur towards a teammate.

He's a big time Republican and Trump supporter and likes to let you know about it on Twitter (or at least used to) which in this day there's a large sector of people that don't appreciate it.

There was apparently bad blood between him and Georgiev (the Rangers goalie) for a while. They fought in the tunnel after a game and that was it... There were rumors on twitter that he was giving an AA teammate K'Andre Miller a hard time. Those rumors have not been substantiated.

By all accounts many if not all of his teammates liked him. He was always willing to step up for teammates and frankly seemed to enjoy it.

He's not a good defender but can be a very high end offensive defenseman. People that have a problem with the signing likely feel that way due to political reasons and his past transgressions in Juniors.
RE: DeAngelo  
Jints in Carolina : 7/28/2021 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15315427 jv said:
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Had some incidents while in junior. He was suspended for abuse towards and official and also by his team for using a slur towards a teammate.

He's a big time Republican and Trump supporter and likes to let you know about it on Twitter (or at least used to) which in this day there's a large sector of people that don't appreciate it.

There was apparently bad blood between him and Georgiev (the Rangers goalie) for a while. They fought in the tunnel after a game and that was it... There were rumors on twitter that he was giving an AA teammate K'Andre Miller a hard time. Those rumors have not been substantiated.

By all accounts many if not all of his teammates liked him. He was always willing to step up for teammates and frankly seemed to enjoy it.

He's not a good defender but can be a very high end offensive defenseman. People that have a problem with the signing likely feel that way due to political reasons and his past transgressions in Juniors.


Thank you sir. Looks like the Canes did sign him.
Tampa Bay  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 3:43 pm : link
and Point agree to an 8 year, $76M extension ($9.5M per)
RE: According to  
Greg from LI : 7/28/2021 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15315407 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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If Eichel is the prize here, hopefully this game of chicken has paid off for Drury, as Adams is seeing his options vanish. If not, the Rangers will have some cap space to maneuver and take on whatever comes available throughout the year, while seemingly still having a potential deadline asset in Strome.


It's looking more and more like Adams painted himself into a corner and has few options left. The Rangers just might be able to get Eichel at a deep discount, something like Zac Jones, a first, and some other prospect.
On Deangelo  
Kyle in NY : 7/28/2021 3:51 pm : link
Rangers sent him home for the season 6 games into a new two year contract at solid money and were willing to buy him out. I think there was some frustration with maturity issues, not taking being scratched well, unsportsmanlike penalties, etc. Apparently was told no more issues and then the thing with Georgiev happened and that was it.

Maybe some tension in the locker room too. I think it was FMiC who had a source that said some teammates had asked him to cool it with political chatter amongst the group. Essentially leave it at the door when you show up, whether you were in agreement or not politically, it turned into a distraction. He's polarizing to say the least.
No one mentions  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 3:51 pm : link
that the slur TDA used in juniors was not a racial slur it was some kind of ethnic slur. Not sure what specifically.

And while that could be a distinction without a difference - being an asshole is being an asshole does it really matter how you are an asshole?

however so many people alluded to TDA's racist past because that detail was always omitted from stories about his juniors incident causing many people to jump to conclusions his incident was racial - so he must have problems with Miller.

but as jv mentioned, none of that (TDA issues with Miller) was ever substantiated and only ever refuted by Miller directly or via his agent.

I can definitely see TDA and goalies having issues, TDA is a horror show in his own end.
I'd have preferred to give up this past year's first than this year's.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/28/2021 3:52 pm : link
I do think the Rangers will have a worse pick, but think the draft is going to be much better in 2022.

I think the Brooks tweets are a little weird - what team has a lot of depth for the top-nine? I'm not concerned about the top-nine at all, even if you were to lose Kravtsov and Chytil (I'd hate to lose Kravtsov, though).
To the Brooks tweets above  
Kyle in NY : 7/28/2021 3:55 pm : link
people keep throwing out $10MM for a Mika extension but would he really get that? Landeskog just got 8x8 at the same age. Mika is a center but why would he get more than that?
RE: I'd have preferred to give up this past year's first than this year's.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/28/2021 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15315438 BrettNYG10 said:
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I do think the Rangers will have a worse pick, but think the draft is going to be much better in 2022.

I think the Brooks tweets are a little weird - what team has a lot of depth for the top-nine? I'm not concerned about the top-nine at all, even if you were to lose Kravtsov and Chytil (I'd hate to lose Kravtsov, though).


Actually, nevermind, yes, losing Kravtsov and Chytil would be rough. I'd try my hardest to avoid losing Kravtsov. I was a little too flippant there lol.

The bigger issue is the Zibanejad/Strome juggling regardless of if we get Eichel or not.
I'm not sure  
PwndPapi : 7/28/2021 4:06 pm : link
drawing a distinction between a racial slur and an ethnic slur is really the compelling defense it was intended to be. Maybe that shit plays well in CAR.
RE: RE: DeAngelo  
ColHowPepper : 7/28/2021 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15315428 Jints in Carolina said:
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Thank you sir. Looks like the Canes did sign him.
Jints, I think jv's, pj's and Kyle's summaries/comments are pretty spot on. Only thing I'd add on the KAM front and reports of tension with Td'A is that, while KAM did try to allay the reported racial/AA reporting by saying nothing to it (some said at the time that he/his agent figured it was best in his rookie season to downplay any such rift/report), think there was footage on opening night at MSG that KAM skated to the opposite end of the line as players were being introduced.

Underscore jv and pj: he is a careless disaster in his own end. A lot of it, imo, was mental, negligent in his outlet passes, as well as positioning on entries, so maybe room for improvement.
Thanks for all the responses guys  
Jints in Carolina : 7/28/2021 4:37 pm : link
We are already seeing how polarizing a figure he is here.
Mike Hoffman  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 4:47 pm : link
to the Habs for 3 years at $4.5M per.
RE: I'm not sure  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15315447 PwndPapi said:
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drawing a distinction between a racial slur and an ethnic slur is really the compelling defense it was intended to be. Maybe that shit plays well in CAR.


My point wasn't to make a compelling defense or any defense, my point was writers intentionally left out the fact it was an ethnic slur (aboriginal? not even sure what) incident in juniors so people naturally assumed it was racial.

And IMO that's a big deal. And as I said it doesn't mean TDA is less of an asshole (if you think that makes him an asshole), but it does mean you shouldn't jump to conclusions about TDA being a racist - which is the point many Rangers bloggers tried to make - without any facts.
RE: RE: I'm not sure  
NYerInMA : 7/28/2021 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15315502 pjcas18 said:
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drawing a distinction between a racial slur and an ethnic slur is really the compelling defense it was intended to be. Maybe that shit plays well in CAR.



My point wasn't to make a compelling defense or any defense, my point was writers intentionally left out the fact it was an ethnic slur (aboriginal? not even sure what) incident in juniors so people naturally assumed it was racial.

And IMO that's a big deal. And as I said it doesn't mean TDA is less of an asshole (if you think that makes him an asshole), but it does mean you shouldn't jump to conclusions about TDA being a racist - which is the point many Rangers bloggers tried to make - without any facts.


The other note I remember reading about DeAngelo is that he's fine when things are going well, but he doesn't handle adversity well at all. I believe the term "ticking time bomb" was used. If things go poorly, it seems that he lashes out at anybody in range, whether that's an official or a teammate (as we saw with Georgiev). I think that, more so than his politics, is why lots of teams won't touch him. Seems to tie into the "maturity" issue.
RE: RE: I'm not sure  
PwndPapi : 7/28/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15315502 pjcas18 said:
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drawing a distinction between a racial slur and an ethnic slur is really the compelling defense it was intended to be. Maybe that shit plays well in CAR.



My point wasn't to make a compelling defense or any defense, my point was writers intentionally left out the fact it was an ethnic slur (aboriginal? not even sure what) incident in juniors so people naturally assumed it was racial.

And IMO that's a big deal. And as I said it doesn't mean TDA is less of an asshole (if you think that makes him an asshole), but it does mean you shouldn't jump to conclusions about TDA being a racist - which is the point many Rangers bloggers tried to make - without any facts.


With due respect, it's semantics. People who use racist, bigoted slurs are racists and bigots. Who gives a shit whether a little reported on event that transpired in juniors was directed at a Jewish hockey player as opposed to an African American player? If he directed the slur at a French Canadian vs. Middle Eastern player, does that not make him a douchbag? What if it was a coach and not a player? Better?

You have a pattern of making excuses for despicable behavior. You're better than that.
Again  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 5:19 pm : link
you are missing the point and putting words in my mouth - and I thought *you* were better than that, but maybe not.

I am not making excuses for anything or saying anything is ok. No idea how you get that from my post.

but being racist is treated differently than other types of bias.

If you can't acknowledge that and how it played in to TDA's time in NY then no point furthering the discussion, just agree to disagree and move on. I don't need the sanctimony because you don't understand the point.

RE: Again  
PwndPapi : 7/28/2021 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15315540 pjcas18 said:
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you are missing the point and putting words in my mouth - and I thought *you* were better than that, but maybe not.

I am not making excuses for anything or saying anything is ok. No idea how you get that from my post.

but being racist is treated differently than other types of bias.

If you can't acknowledge that and how it played in to TDA's time in NY then no point furthering the discussion, just agree to disagree and move on. I don't need the sanctimony because you don't understand the point.


That incident was merely one piece of him being cut loose. It was not THE reason. A lot of Ranger fans questioned his acquisition at the time. A lot of Rangers' fans disliked him for being outspoken about his politics. A lot of Rangers' fans questioned his new deal because of his play in his own zone (which you cited above).

I don't care about his politics. I do care that he's an asshole and a likely racist and I'm not going to split hairs on which slur he used. I'm glad the idiot's gone. We should've dealt him 2 years ago.
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pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 5:25 pm : link
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Devs trade Will Butcher and a 5th to the Sabres  
Stu11 : 7/28/2021 5:33 pm : link
for future considerations(nothing) no surprise I though he'd be dealt during the draft for a 6th or a 7th. They got even less. He has decent skills maybe a change of scenery will do him good.
RE: Devs trade Will Butcher and a 5th to the Sabres  
Jay on the Island : 7/28/2021 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15315560 Stu11 said:
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for future considerations(nothing) no surprise I though he'd be dealt during the draft for a 6th or a 7th. They got even less. He has decent skills maybe a change of scenery will do him good.

Yea that's too much money to spend on a 7th defenseman. This also opens the door for Bahl.
No idea how BUF  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 5:44 pm : link
will ever improve.

seems mired in no-man's land.

I think they're favorite to get the #1 pick again next year. Them or ARI.

I'm surprised Kessel hasn't been moved. Maybe at the deadline. And Dvorak.

Besides Dvorak I like Jakob Chychrun and Clayton Keller, but that's not a nucleus.
RE: RE: I'm not sure  
ColHowPepper : 7/28/2021 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15315502 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15315447 PwndPapi said:
Quote: drawing a distinction between a racial slur and an ethnic slur is really the compelling defense it was intended to be. Maybe that shit plays well in CAR. ////

My point wasn't to make a compelling defense or any defense, my point was writers intentionally left out the fact it was an ethnic slur (aboriginal? not even sure what) incident in juniors so people naturally assumed it was racial.

And IMO that's a big deal. And as I said it doesn't mean TDA is less of an asshole (if you think that makes him an asshole), but it does mean you shouldn't jump to conclusions about TDA being a racist - which is the point many Rangers bloggers tried to make - without any facts.
Let's face facts, pj, your 3:51 was a mess. LOL Bottom line, it was a distinction w/o difference. The non-difference is hatred, whether because of race or ethnicity. Does it matter? Is anti-Asian, anti-semitism, or anti-Serb, e.g., any less cause for opprobrium than anti-AA? I don't believe for a second that you think those are.
Anyone else surprised by the Pens' lack of moves?  
PwndPapi : 7/28/2021 5:51 pm : link
Are they keeping the core together for one more run? Why haven't they added? If not, why is Malkin still there?
Jack Eichel to the Rangers?  
ColHowPepper : 7/28/2021 7:03 pm : link
Aside from reports from fans in the city of BUF that Eichel is or can be a major a-hole, let me pose this query for NYR fans: Let's say the team makes a major pitch and in the process gives up two of its promising 'kid' forwards, depleting the talent pool it has taken three years to build, doesn't that send a message to Zib that his time here is on a short string? As much as the team had shortcomings in the bubble vs CAR and late this season vs playoff caliber teams--and we know what they are--one factor the Rangers did not lack was team chemistry, they were a close knit, bonded group, which the sending out of town of Buch for essentially nothing has dealt a hit. If Zib thinks he's gone because the Rangers will not pay for 2 #1C contracts, what does that do to team chemistry, playing for this management?
RE: RE: RE: I'm not sure  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15315574 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 15315502 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 15315447 PwndPapi said:
Quote: drawing a distinction between a racial slur and an ethnic slur is really the compelling defense it was intended to be. Maybe that shit plays well in CAR. ////

My point wasn't to make a compelling defense or any defense, my point was writers intentionally left out the fact it was an ethnic slur (aboriginal? not even sure what) incident in juniors so people naturally assumed it was racial.

And IMO that's a big deal. And as I said it doesn't mean TDA is less of an asshole (if you think that makes him an asshole), but it does mean you shouldn't jump to conclusions about TDA being a racist - which is the point many Rangers bloggers tried to make - without any facts.

Let's face facts, pj, your 3:51 was a mess. LOL Bottom line, it was a distinction w/o difference. The non-difference is hatred, whether because of race or ethnicity. Does it matter? Is anti-Asian, anti-semitism, or anti-Serb, e.g., any less cause for opprobrium than anti-AA? I don't believe for a second that you think those are.


No, I don't think it's any less cause for criticism, but I do believe being a racist would get more attention. And I believe it's why the NYR bloggers were always vague about his OHL suspension and it's why some of them fabricated or pushed racist TDA stories. I think the evidence is pretty clear that certain bloggers 100% made shit up or at least pounced on the ambiguity of the OHL suspension (and it was very likely due to TDA's political affiliations IMO).

So I'm not saying his slur not be racist makes him a better person, but I am saying it not being racist makes it less newsworthy.

if you disagree fine, but you say something anti-aboriginal you apologize to the victim, you say something racist it's hard to come back (and it probably should be), but IMO it's not a distinction without a difference in the court of public opinion even if it is a distinction without a difference to someone's character.

that's all I'm going to say about it - people are free to have their own opinion.
I'm not clear on the distinction  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 7:30 pm : link
Ethnic slur is bad. But not as bad as a racial slur. Huh.

Are there white Aborigines?
I've said all I'm going to say  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 7:31 pm : link
about it, read what I wrote, if you don't understand or if you disagree, then great, it's your right.

on to more free agent talk for me.
RE: I've said all I'm going to say  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 7:33 pm : link
In comment 15315652 pjcas18 said:
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about it, read what I wrote, if you don't understand or if you disagree, then great, it's your right.

on to more free agent talk for me.


Fair enough.

Didn't Jarred Tinordi absolutely destroy Tom Wilson? Or am I remembering wrong?
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pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 7:41 pm : link
Adrian Dater
@adater
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Darcy Kuemper is close to being a member of the #Avs @ColHockeyNow
. Deal closing in
Seems steep for Kuemper  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 7:42 pm : link
Craig Morgan
@CraigSMorgan
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4m
Hearing the Coyotes are trading Darcy Kuemper to Colorado for a first-rounder pick and defenseman Conor Timmins.
for those advanced analytics  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 7:54 pm : link
fans (and WAR fans).

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JFresh
@JFreshHockey
Since so many people asked, here are the updated WAR Roster Builder projected standings after the first seven hours of free agency. Still a lot of moves to be made (and some model tweaks as well), but for the sake of curiosity:

.....  
BrettNYG10 : 7/28/2021 7:58 pm : link
I assume a lot of that is based on projected player development for NYR?

Why are the Islanders so low?
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15315688 BrettNYG10 said:
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I assume a lot of that is based on projected player development for NYR?

Why are the Islanders so low?


Trotz doesn't factor in to the WAR calculation?

sum of the parts?

I don't know much about hockey WAR to say if it's indicative of anything.
RE: .....  
Mike from Ohio : 7/28/2021 8:21 pm : link
In comment 15315688 BrettNYG10 said:
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I assume a lot of that is based on projected player development for NYR?

Why are the Islanders so low?


Seattle is already in better position than the Islanders.

Good for them.
LOL.  
Mike from Ohio : 7/28/2021 8:27 pm : link
Seattle traded Vanicek back to the Capitals for a second round pick, and posted "Thank You, Vitek" to Twitter.

He will always be a legend to the Kraken faithful.
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pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 9:52 pm : link
HockeyHoundShow
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Breaking News: As reported by @frank_seravalli
the #CBJ Joonas Korpisalo is available for trade.
Late night Tarasanko update from a Blues writer  
theold5j : 7/29/2021 12:50 am : link
On The Athletic:

Devils and Carolina remain the 2 teams that make the most sense. A few teams that were seemingly in on him have went elsewhere. Talking about LA and Vegas. The guy suggests a slim possiblity of a Tarasanko/Eichel trade. Seems like they're having a tough time with the asking price ever since they offered him up for free to the Krak. Not a single mention of the NYI.
Devils still seeking a top 6 fwd  
Stu11 : 7/29/2021 8:16 am : link
Made a strong offer for Saad but sounds like he's waiting for a contender. I'd expect for them to hover around the Tarasenko thing.
The Eichel  
jv : 7/29/2021 8:52 am : link
situation is bizarre. I can't help but think Buffalo really blew this. There are seemingly only 2 serious suiters left in the Rangers and Ducks. A scenario where they get a bigger package than already offered doesn't seem very realistic. The only way that happens is Eichel comes back healthy, plays this season for Buffalo and looks like superstar he has in the past. Really seems though that relationship is destroyed and the roster isn't exactly setup for success.
I think the Eichel  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 8:56 am : link
hold up is medical. I think he's not 100% healthy and BUF is hesitant to share medicals and teams are hesitant to pay fair market for him without examining him or seeing recent medical reports.

I think BUF rides it out until someone either gets desperate or they do. Or like you said jv, he plays for them this year and re-establishes himself as an elite C. He's under contract and they have plenty of cap space, they are under no obligation to trade him.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2021 9:20 am : link
His NMC kicks in after next year, so they'd trade him at the deadline under your scenario, presumably?

What would a healthy Eichel command? A week ago I'd say Zegras and the Ducks first if it was Anaheim. Maybe Byfield and their first if the Kings. For the Rangers, one of Kakko/Laf and a first. Maybe I'm even underselling it.

I think some here underrate Eichel a bit. Health and other concerns are totally valid however, so it's not an easy call.
NMC IMO  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 9:26 am : link
should not be a limiting factor. Eichel is the one who requested a trade, fairly certain he'd waive his NMC without any consideration required for doing it.

I think you're right on the value, but I was thinking BUF might be looking for more high quality prospects instead of teams best.

So for LAK IOW maybe Turcotte and Kaliyev plus a 1st instead of Byfield.

For ANA maybe Drysdale and Perreault and a 1st.

something like that - you know a quantity over quality thing.

Because what's the point if you give up Eichel and get a player who in all likelihood is not going to be as good as Eichel (and draft picks who also won't likely be as good as Eichel).

the way I think of it is if you can get quantity you're improving the overall floor of your team if you know what I mean.

but who knows what BUF is thinking. I still don't know why they traded Reinhart. FLA can be really good this year.
RE: I think the Eichel  
ColHowPepper : 7/29/2021 9:31 am : link
It's not as if repeatedly getting crunched against the boards or stanchions or being hip checked as you weave your way across the ice is actually a good thing for a compromised back.

As I said a week or two ago, any team that is going to make a deal should insist on making its own, physical exam replete with MRI. It would be just the sort of negligence, professional malpractice, you lay at the feet of a wet behind the ears GM.
Rangers  
five5 : 7/29/2021 9:33 am : link
Have definite interest in Tarasenko. Going to be interesting.
RE: Rangers  
redbeard : 7/29/2021 9:36 am : link
In comment 15316120 five5 said:
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Have definite interest in Tarasenko. Going to be interesting.


I'd love this but I'd also low ball the fuck out of St Louis to start

They left the dude unprotected for fuck's sake...they aren't getting a king's ransom for him
RE: Rangers  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/29/2021 9:37 am : link
In comment 15316120 five5 said:
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Have definite interest in Tarasenko. Going to be interesting.


Any source for this?

This would be a head scratcher for me. Trade arguably our best all around F in Buch (who ended up signing for sub $6M), and essentially replace him with a winger who has a higher salary hit ($6.5M), and is coming off of 3 shoulder surgeries. All of this while again pushing one of the kids down to the 3rd line, which seemingly is why they freed up Buch's spot.
RE: Devils still seeking a top 6 fwd  
Jay on the Island : 7/29/2021 9:38 am : link
In comment 15316047 Stu11 said:
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Made a strong offer for Saad but sounds like he's waiting for a contender. I'd expect for them to hover around the Tarasenko thing.

I'd be happy with Saad as long as the contract didn't exceed 3-4 years. I would prefer Tarasenko as long as the doctors clear him.
RE: Rangers  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:00 am : link
In comment 15316120 five5 said:
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Have definite interest in Tarasenko. Going to be interesting.


Insider info? Because on the hoof, it makes no sense
Georgiev has requested a trade  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:00 am : link
Thankfully for us
I see what you're saying, pj.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2021 10:03 am : link
I tend to focus on quality but see your point.

Anak, not surprised. I hope we can get a second or third for him.
RE: RE: RE: I'm not sure  
MetsAreBack : 7/29/2021 10:06 am : link
In comment 15315533 PwndPapi said:
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With due respect, it's semantics. People who use racist, bigoted slurs are racists and bigots. Who gives a shit whether a little reported on event that transpired in juniors was directed at a Jewish hockey player as opposed to an African American player? If he directed the slur at a French Canadian vs. Middle Eastern player, does that not make him a douchbag? What if it was a coach and not a player? Better?

You have a pattern of making excuses for despicable behavior. You're better than that.


Do you always judge people for life based on a stupid comment they made as a teenager? Thats a little harsh, no? Somehow, i dont think you hold yourself to the same standards you hold others to.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm not sure  
PwndPapi : 7/29/2021 11:07 am : link
In comment 15316178 MetsAreBack said:
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Do you always judge people for life based on a stupid comment they made as a teenager? Thats a little harsh, no? Somehow, i dont think you hold yourself to the same standards you hold others to.


That's great and all. But not using racial slurs and not using racial slurs at work is really not that high a bar to set for oneself or others. I don't know you or pjcas personally but I'd suspect neither one of you has ever directed a racial slur at a co-worker.

And let's not pretend this assholishness is an isolated incident. If it were, he'd probably still be in NY.
......  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2021 11:12 am : link
The Fourth Period seems to be the source of the NYR/Tarasenko rumors.
Yeah...  
BC Eagles94 : 7/29/2021 11:40 am : link
so we trade a nearly PPG winger, who never misses a game, is great defensively, is great at killing penalties, and plays with some snarl...because we can't afford him at 5-6 mill AAV. But then we are going to trade for Tarenseko at 7.5 mill AAV for next two years, and they guy hasn't been able to stay on the ice for two seasons now. Makes a lot of sense.

Sounds like a bull shit rumor to me. The ONLY money this team is spending (past next season)is on a top 2 line center. Otherwise it will only be on a 1 year deal (through trade on someone with only 1 year left or a UFA for only 1 year)...since we have plenty of cap space this upcoming season, but then it gets tight going forward from there.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm not sure  
MetsAreBack : 7/29/2021 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15316241 PwndPapi said:
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Do you always judge people for life based on a stupid comment they made as a teenager? Thats a little harsh, no? Somehow, i dont think you hold yourself to the same standards you hold others to.



That's great and all. But not using racial slurs and not using racial slurs at work is really not that high a bar to set for oneself or others. I don't know you or pjcas personally but I'd suspect neither one of you has ever directed a racial slur at a co-worker.

And let's not pretend this assholishness is an isolated incident. If it were, he'd probably still be in NY.


I didnt have co-workers when i was a teenager, so its a pretty lousy analogy.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm not sure  
PwndPapi : 7/29/2021 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15316399 MetsAreBack said:
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Do you always judge people for life based on a stupid comment they made as a teenager? Thats a little harsh, no? Somehow, i dont think you hold yourself to the same standards you hold others to.



That's great and all. But not using racial slurs and not using racial slurs at work is really not that high a bar to set for oneself or others. I don't know you or pjcas personally but I'd suspect neither one of you has ever directed a racial slur at a co-worker.

And let's not pretend this assholishness is an isolated incident. If it were, he'd probably still be in NY.



I didnt have co-workers when i was a teenager, so its a pretty lousy analogy.


Well, I did and I somehow managed to successfully navigate the workplace without calling referring to any of them as a kike, or a wop, guinea, etc. Weird, huh?
Oh, one other thing,  
PwndPapi : 7/29/2021 12:52 pm : link
I also never fought a co-worker or got knocked the fuck out at work.
RE: Oh, one other thing,  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2021 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15316412 PwndPapi said:
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I also never fought a co-worker or got knocked the fuck out at work.


You aren't living life right then, PwndPapi.
RE: RE: Oh, one other thing,  
PwndPapi : 7/29/2021 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15316413 BrettNYG10 said:
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I also never fought a co-worker or got knocked the fuck out at work.



You aren't living life right then, PwndPapi.


We cannot judge someone's whole life until we've been knocked the fuck out at work.
Not going to lie my hockey  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 1:09 pm : link
teammates (which is really more applicable than co-workers) were brutal to each other. There was some down right nasty comments and of course we had fights with each other. WTF kind of hockey teams doesn't have fights with each other? Next day you hug it out and move on. Sports are heated, I got kicked out of many practices for fighting with teammates. Quite a few players did. It's normal.

I personally never used a slur toward a teammate, I grew up in the projects where I was practically a minority so I always had respect for words - but I'd use other words that were still vulgar if not quite as derogatory, but fights with teammates? Sure, it happens.

Some of you talk out of your asses and think it's intelligent or informed , but it's really spewing bullshit.

Minority, non-minority didn't matter we were tough on each other - and sometimes it did cross a line with some people (unfortunately). But we were super protective, fiercely protective if anyone else was brutal to our teammates.

Kind of like a family.

I am not condoning what TDA did or said at 17 - it's not Ok, but I'm also not surprised at 17 he said something derogatory. I'm actually surprised the OHL suspended him for it, I view that as progress. I'm also encouraged that TDA has not had another diversity policy violation (at least not publicly) - that's how life is supposed to work.

When you do something wrong, you get penalized for it and pay a price, and you learn from it and are a better person for it. Of course it would be great if people didn't need to learn lessons the hard way, but that's not very realistic to expect.

Some people have unrealistic expectations for adolescents.
pjcas  
PwndPapi : 7/29/2021 1:16 pm : link
[quote]When you do something wrong, you get penalized for it and pay a price, and you learn from it and are a better person for it. Of course it would be great if people didn't need to learn lessons the hard way, but that's not very realistic to expect.

Some people have unrealistic expectations for adolescents.[quote]

Wonderful. Now apply this "live and let learn" philosophy to someone with whom you disagree politically and let's see if you end up in the same place.

I think your take is more than a little naive. Plenty of folks face the consequences for a thing. Some pay a little. Some end up paying their entire lives. Many do so disproportionately.

I'm not convinced TDA has learned anything. He's 25 and still carrying on with his dickbag bro routine. All while getting paid $5M a year. Boo fucking hoo.
Rangers shoulda listened to me  
JonC : 7/29/2021 1:20 pm : link
and drafted Tarasenko. Jerks.

Agree with pj, the Eichel hangup is his medicals not being shared by the Sabres. It would probably collapse their offers in hand, at the least.
RE: pjcas  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 1:25 pm : link
In comment 15316439 PwndPapi said:
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[quote]When you do something wrong, you get penalized for it and pay a price, and you learn from it and are a better person for it. Of course it would be great if people didn't need to learn lessons the hard way, but that's not very realistic to expect.

Some people have unrealistic expectations for adolescents.[quote]

Wonderful. Now apply this "live and let learn" philosophy to someone with whom you disagree politically and let's see if you end up in the same place.

I think your take is more than a little naive. Plenty of folks face the consequences for a thing. Some pay a little. Some end up paying their entire lives. Many do so disproportionately.

I'm not convinced TDA has learned anything. He's 25 and still carrying on with his dickbag bro routine. All while getting paid $5M a year. Boo fucking hoo.


I get along with people who disagree with me politically all the time. I think most people do.

Maybe I'm naive, but also maybe you live too much in the extremes.

TDA doesn't have to convince you of anything, you're not hiring him and you have a choice to avoid any team/business who employs him.
RE: Rangers shoulda listened to me  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15316447 JonC said:
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and drafted Tarasenko. Jerks.

Agree with pj, the Eichel hangup is his medicals not being shared by the Sabres. It would probably collapse their offers in hand, at the least.


Rangers chose McIlrath over him (as I'm sure you remember) after Gaborik got his ass kicked by Carcillo. Repeating those mistakes this off-season, on a more minor scale, imo.
Rangers  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/29/2021 1:33 pm : link
and Chytil agree to a 2 year deal, no word on price yet.

Saad agrees to a 5 year deal, at $4.5M AAV with St Louis.
RE: RE: pjcas  
PwndPapi : 7/29/2021 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15316460 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15316439 PwndPapi said:


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[quote]When you do something wrong, you get penalized for it and pay a price, and you learn from it and are a better person for it. Of course it would be great if people didn't need to learn lessons the hard way, but that's not very realistic to expect.

Some people have unrealistic expectations for adolescents.[quote]

Wonderful. Now apply this "live and let learn" philosophy to someone with whom you disagree politically and let's see if you end up in the same place.

I think your take is more than a little naive. Plenty of folks face the consequences for a thing. Some pay a little. Some end up paying their entire lives. Many do so disproportionately.

I'm not convinced TDA has learned anything. He's 25 and still carrying on with his dickbag bro routine. All while getting paid $5M a year. Boo fucking hoo.



I get along with people who disagree with me politically all the time. I think most people do.

Maybe I'm naive, but also maybe you live too much in the extremes.

TDA doesn't have to convince you of anything, you're not hiring him and you have a choice to avoid any team/business who employs him.


I live in the extremes because I recognize a pattern of behavior that's repugnant? I live in the extremes because I think racism doesn't have a place in sports?

Your adorable kumbaya semi-pro hockey anecdote aside, sports on all levels has a problem with racism and bigotry. All sports. Particularly the NHL and European soccer. Athletes and fans alike. Adolescents who grow up in communities where this isn't addressed, or addressed with a wink and nod become adults who throw banana peels at professional soccer players and colleagues throw glib fried chicken and watermelon shade at Tiger Woods. It's why it's such a big deal when a football player announces he's gay.

Ever wonder what it was like for Grant Fuhr or Jerome Iginla coming through the league? Jackie Robinson? What do you think it was like being an LA Clipper with a withered racist ballsack as your owner? You think any of them would agree with your take that racial slurs ought to be graded on a sliding scale based on which group is offended?

Are they all living in the extremes?
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pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 1:41 pm : link
Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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52m
Corey Perry took a 2 year deal in Tampa Bay.
RE: Rangers  
Stu11 : 7/29/2021 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15316488 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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and Chytil agree to a 2 year deal, no word on price yet.

Saad agrees to a 5 year deal, at $4.5M AAV with St Louis.

Interesting with Saad. The money isn't bad, the term is a bit long. I figured he's spent his whole career deep in the playoffs. He didn't want to go to a rebuilding team like the Devs. With all the guys down the road we'll have to pay like Hughes, Smith, Sharengovich etc...5 years is too much term any way.
When you intentionally  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 1:48 pm : link
misrepresent what someone says, like this:

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You think any of them would agree with your take that racial slurs ought to be graded on a sliding scale based on which group is offended


You lose any credibility you have an come off as disingenuous and make me less inclined to even respond.

I never said that there *should* be a sliding scale, I said society reacts differently based on the slur. It's a fact, not my take on how it should be.

but the rest of your word salad is silly almost juvenile like a kid wrote it. Almost no one in 2021 thinks racism should exist in sports or anywhere. I would say no one, but I'll allow for the fraction of a percent of actual racists who think racism should exist in sports.

but thinking it shouldn't exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist and the way to eradicate it is exactly how the incident with TDA was handled in the OHL.

RE: When you intentionally  
PwndPapi : 7/29/2021 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15316522 pjcas18 said:
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misrepresent what someone says, like this:



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You think any of them would agree with your take that racial slurs ought to be graded on a sliding scale based on which group is offended



You lose any credibility you have an come off as disingenuous and make me less inclined to even respond.

I never said that there *should* be a sliding scale, I said society reacts differently based on the slur. It's a fact, not my take on how it should be.

but the rest of your word salad is silly almost juvenile like a kid wrote it. Almost no one in 2021 thinks racism should exist in sports or anywhere. I would say no one, but I'll allow for the fraction of a percent of actual racists who think racism should exist in sports.

but thinking it shouldn't exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist and the way to eradicate it is exactly how the incident with TDA was handled in the OHL.


No. You placed the blame squarely on the media or bloggers for mischaracterizing the slur and the anti-aboriginal slur TDA used wasn't quite as bad. Which is where this all began. The slur was bad enough that the OHL suspended TDA and forced him to apologize. I'm sure he loved that. I'm sure it was all rooted in friendly team banter.

As usual  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 1:55 pm : link
you struggle with reading comprehension, as well as reality.

Not worth my time to reply to you.
RE: As usual  
PwndPapi : 7/29/2021 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15316537 pjcas18 said:
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you struggle with reading comprehension, as well as reality.

Not worth my time to reply to you.


Stop it. Be a big boy, take the L, and quit trying to weasel your way out of the semantics box you've put yourself in.
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Kyle in NY : 7/29/2021 2:00 pm : link
I understand the effort to maybe add some nuance to the debate when opinions, especially online, can overwhelmingly fall on one side. But I just don't know if Deangleo is really deserving of it.

If TDA took his OHL suspension and this was the last we'd heard of it and he spent the rest of his career as a model citizen, that'd be one thing. But he's now on his 4th franchise by the age of 25, his behavior online is at best immature (not to mention immature behavior on the ice and in the locker room), and the Rangers gave up on him 6 games into a $9.6 million contract. There's just a lot of evidence that he hasn't really changed much as a person. And that's before some of the stuff we heard from sources here as to what was really going on in the locker room between him and Georgiev. This is beyond second chances and whether or not actions as a teenager should follow you forever. Tony is working on chance 4 or 5 at least. At some point, it seems like he's just not getting it. We'll see how it goes in Carolina, I'd have to think it's his last shot.

Let's get back to free agency
.........  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2021 2:01 pm : link
Rangers were apparently going to walk away from Buchnevich after arbitration according to ESPN.
RE: RE: As usual  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15316541 PwndPapi said:
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In comment 15316537 pjcas18 said:


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you struggle with reading comprehension, as well as reality.

Not worth my time to reply to you.



Stop it. Be a big boy, take the L, and quit trying to weasel your way out of the semantics box you've put yourself in.


You're pedantic and tiring, you offer no substance, and live in a world devoid of reality.

Take a W and L I don't care whatever it is that makes your lack of self esteem feel better I don't care, I'm not engaging with you any further.
Chytil  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/29/2021 2:14 pm : link
gets 2 years, at $2.3M per.
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pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 3:18 pm : link
Mark Scheig
@markscheig
·
16m
Athanasiou signs with the Kings, 1 year, $2.7 million AAV.
He was brutal in the playoffs  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 4:00 pm : link
the fascination with the "puck movers" is often regretted.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
·
14m
Jon Merrill 1 x $850K MIN
.  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 7:39 pm : link
Canadiens sign 33-year-old C/LW Mathieu Perreault to a one-year contract worth $950,000.

@RocketSports
@HabsConnection

#allhabs #Habs #GoHabsGo 

Per @allhabs Twitter
Brendan Smith to CAR on a one year deal.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2021 7:45 pm : link
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NYR  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 10:04 pm : link
going all in on the sandpaper.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
·
31s
Rangers acquire Ryan Reaves per @renlavoietva
That WAS  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 10:04 pm : link
NYR opener going to be one to watch.

It's only taken 50 years  
arniefez : 7/29/2021 10:08 pm : link
but better late than never. Can we get Ratelle, Park & Middleton back now?
damn  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 10:23 pm : link
was hoping he hit the market.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
·
12m
Werenski signs 6 x $9,583,333 extension with #CBJ
RE: damn  
Anakim : 7/29/2021 10:26 pm : link
In comment 15317184 pjcas18 said:
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was hoping he hit the market.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
·
12m
Werenski signs 6 x $9,583,333 extension with #CBJ


WOOOOOOOOF. Yikes!
and somewhere  
redbeard : 7/29/2021 10:27 pm : link
Foxy smiles....
Hope everything is ok  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 1:11 pm : link
huge loss for the Bruins, big time, big game player.

Dan Kramer
@DanKramerHabs
·
8m
Krejci leaving the NHL to return to the Czech Republic for family reasons.
How the  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 3:00 pm : link
non-mighty have fallen.

LA Kings
@LAKings
·
15m
NEWS: The LA Kings have signed @LiasAndersson
to a one-year, two-way contract.
This has got to be a joke  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 3:02 pm : link
it's a joke right?

Oilers News and Updates
@oilersaccess
· 18m
Elliotte Friedman on 630CHED says he wouldn't be surprised if Darnell Nurse's extension comes in around $9M given the contracts the defenseman has signed recently.
Tatar likely  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 4:13 pm : link
gone from MTL - multiple teams in on him - decision soon.,

And this.....

Randy Timmins
@The_Creasy
·
7h
Apparently after a full day of back and forth yesterday between Montreal and Buffalo, Habs have upped their offer for Eichel and are waiting for a clear medical report. A few teams have dropped out of the sweepstakes, notably, Minnesota. Few teams remain. #GoHabsGo
my guess on Canadiens offer  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 4:14 pm : link
is Kotkaniemi, Romanov and a 1st.

Which would be an overpay
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 7/30/2021 4:16 pm : link
Why did Minnesota buyout both Parise/Suter if they aren't going to chase someone like Eichel? Little confused on what they're doing.
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15317980 BrettNYG10 said:
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Why did Minnesota buyout both Parise/Suter if they aren't going to chase someone like Eichel? Little confused on what they're doing.


apparently that guy doesn't know WTF he's talking about - sorry for sharing.
Oh, is that your Twitter account?  
BrettNYG10 : 7/30/2021 4:29 pm : link
#rekt
.  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 5:42 pm : link
NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
·
21m
BREAKING: Vegas Golden Knights forward Alex Tuch out 6 months after undergoing shoulder surgery. #VegasBorn
This is a trade that did not exactly work out for the Bruins  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 8:27 pm : link
Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
Breaking News: The #LeafsForever have signed Ondrej Kase to a 1 year, $1.25M contract.
The Sabres  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2021 9:54 pm : link
are a clown show. this sounds beyond repair and now Eichel's value *should* be sinking. You know some team (hopefully not the Habs) will bail them out, this sounds irreparable.

RE: The Sabres  
Anakim : 7/30/2021 10:01 pm : link
In comment 15318188 pjcas18 said:
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are a clown show. this sounds beyond repair and now Eichel's value *should* be sinking. You know some team (hopefully not the Habs) will bail them out, this sounds irreparable.



Where's Kevyn "Baghdad Bob" Adams when you need him?

LOL, a 10M per year diva with a bad neck and the Sabres think they can dictate terms? I'm not even trading Chytil or Kravtsov for Eichel, let alone Kakko, Lundkvist or Schneider. They can go fuck right off. They'll take what they can get for their damaged goods and just be happy that they'll be off the hook for his 10M per and be free of the distraction.
The Sabres are such a shitshow  
Jay on the Island : 8/1/2021 10:13 am : link
I actually feel bad for their fans.
I have a feeling  
5BowlsSoon : 8/1/2021 10:20 am : link
Mark Bergeron on the Habs Will trade for Eichel. I think he thinks he now is going to have to go further with this team and win the Cup. He may think Eichel is the missing piece.

Personally, I think this will be a big mistake because I’m sure Habs will lose some very top players like Romanov, Kotkaniemi , maybe not Suzuki, and give up a #1……all for a guy who may now be damaged goods.

Pj…..do you agree with me here? Do you see Bergeron making this big move here?
RE: I have a feeling  
pjcas18 : 8/1/2021 11:45 am : link
In comment 15318794 5BowlsSoon said:
Quote:
Mark Bergeron on the Habs Will trade for Eichel. I think he thinks he now is going to have to go further with this team and win the Cup. He may think Eichel is the missing piece.

Personally, I think this will be a big mistake because I’m sure Habs will lose some very top players like Romanov, Kotkaniemi , maybe not Suzuki, and give up a #1……all for a guy who may now be damaged goods.

Pj…..do you agree with me here? Do you see Bergeron making this big move here?


Yes, I agree, I think it's coming.

and if it costs Kotkaniemi, Caufield, Suzuki or Romanov I wouldn't be happy.

I'd deal Poehling who seems to be a forgotten man in MTL. But that doesn't get close and he's coming off his own injury (wrist, so nothing like Eichel), but still.

I'd do Poehling, a 1st and Drouin (and have BUF eat half Eichel's salary)
Not free agency  
pjcas18 : 8/1/2021 1:03 pm : link
related, but this Evander Kane story is crazy.

Not sure if anyone is following it.

divorce brings out the worst in people (and I'm not guessing who is being more honest in this story - I have seen it with close friends too, divorce just makes people vicious)
RE: Not free agency  
PwndPapi : 8/1/2021 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15318923 pjcas18 said:
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related, but this Evander Kane story is crazy.

Not sure if anyone is following it.

divorce brings out the worst in people (and I'm not guessing who is being more honest in this story - I have seen it with close friends too, divorce just makes people vicious)


Tough to ay what's true or not. NHL investigators should be able to find out quite easily. Whether they publicly announce the findings is another thing. If true, he should be banned from the NHL. If not, this is likely to work against her in divorce proceedings.

Not a good look either way.
Kane  
RasputinPrime : 8/1/2021 2:12 pm : link
should be a free agent after this:


Put the rapist in the ground - ( New Window )
RE: Not free agency  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/1/2021 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15318923 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
related, but this Evander Kane story is crazy.

Not sure if anyone is following it.

divorce brings out the worst in people (and I'm not guessing who is being more honest in this story - I have seen it with close friends too, divorce just makes people vicious)


Remember Michael Strahan’s divorce that was fodder for the Post and other tabloids? His ex said he was gay and that he taped her sister changing in their home.

(In unrelated news, Strahan’s ex was recently arrested for stalking a woman she had previously been in a relationship with.)
RFAs  
pjcas18 : 8/1/2021 7:09 pm : link
filed for arbitration

.  
pjcas18 : 8/2/2021 8:27 am : link

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
My latest on the Jack Eichel/Buffalo drama, what the #Isles have cooking, and the Evander Kane warning signs in San Jose
link - ( New Window )
Hlinka/Gretzky  
pjcas18 : 8/2/2021 9:58 am : link
kicks off this week in Czech Republic.

Last year was canceled due to COVID.

It's a U18 tournament, so no one who's been drafted.

US has Mike Knuble's son and a couple other players.

Matvei Michkov from Russia is *the* player to watch. He's amazing.

No Canada due to COVID. They usually dominate this.
Torts hired as a studio analyst for ESPN's coverage.  
Mad Mike : 8/3/2021 5:08 pm : link
I bet he'll have opinions on things.
link - ( New Window )
USA fails to advance  
pjcas18 : 8/3/2021 6:44 pm : link
at the Hlinka loses to Slovakia and Sweden, game vs Germany is meaningless.

not really a harbinger of things to come for US U18, they rarely do well in this. Won it twice, have medaled only 3 times since 2010 (2013, 2014, 2016 - none since then).

they didn't medal in the U18 WJC, but they won the World Juniors in January
Tomas Tatar to the Devs  
Stu11 : 8/5/2021 1:22 pm : link
2 years 4.5 mill per. Solid signing. Gives them a vet top 6 fwd who can put the puck in the net.
Great signing  
pjcas18 : 8/5/2021 1:52 pm : link
by the Devils.

Loved the tuna in MTL. Hate to see him go, but can't keep everyone.
RE: Tomas Tatar to the Devs  
Jay on the Island : 8/5/2021 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15323421 Stu11 said:
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2 years 4.5 mill per. Solid signing. Gives them a vet top 6 fwd who can put the puck in the net.

Very solid move plus they are still trying to land Tarasenko. Ths Devils also signed Sharangovich to a 2 year $4 million dollar contract. They have plenty of cap room left.
The Devils are having an excellent offseason  
Jay on the Island : 8/5/2021 3:36 pm : link
While maintaining future cap space needed to extend their young core players Hughes, Smith, Blackwood, Zacha, Bratt, and Sharangovich.
If they can keep their key players healthy  
Jay on the Island : 8/5/2021 3:40 pm : link
I think he Devils have a great shot at securing the 7th or 8th seed especially if they land Tarasenko. Their depth was abysmal last season but this year they will have Foote, Holtz, Clarke, Mercer, Walsh, Okhotiuk, Vukojevic, and Bahl in the AHL.

I’m assuming Tatar will start on a line with Hughes and Sharangovich knocking Kuokkanen down to the 3rd line.
 
Jay on the Island : 8/5/2021 6:35 pm : link
Tomas Tatar, signed 2x$4.5M by NJ, has simply been one of the league's most effective 5v5 offence creators in the past three seasons. This is a major discount considering his recent body of work. #NJDevils pic.twitter.com/DxapHkdzZV

— JFresh (@JFreshHockey) August 5, 2021
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Pete in MD : 8/6/2021 10:22 am : link

New York Islanders
@NYIslanders
· 3m
#Isles News: The New York Islanders announced today that Adam Pelech has agreed to terms on an eight-year contract.
https://nhl.com/islanders/news/islanders-sign-pelech/c-325917984
$5.75M AAV  
Pete in MD : 8/6/2021 10:44 am : link
per twitter reports.
what a steal  
KDubbs : 8/6/2021 10:45 am : link
after all the D contracts given out already. This man is so underrated
RE: $5.75M AAV  
Metnut : 8/6/2021 10:46 am : link
In comment 15324423 Pete in MD said:
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per twitter reports.


Holy shit. What a hometown discount.
great deal - the best comp for him imo was Brodin's new deal  
Eric on Li : 8/6/2021 10:47 am : link
Pelech got more total $/years but lower AAV, which is a big win for the team. Great contract. Obviously injuries are always a risk over 8 years but they are only paying him through age 34 so even if he misses some time he should be a useful player the entire time. And if he misses significant time there's obviously ltir.
Good deal  
pjcas18 : 8/6/2021 11:14 am : link
for NYI. I like their off-season once their signings are finalized
I guess Lou's 14.4 modem  
Mike in NY : 8/6/2021 11:24 am : link
Finally delivered the contract
FWIW  
jv : 8/6/2021 11:44 am : link
Valiquette just tweeted:

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My Spidey senses are tingling. Eichel #NYR
RE: FWIW  
Anakim : 8/6/2021 11:45 am : link
In comment 15324505 jv said:
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Valiquette just tweeted:



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My Spidey senses are tingling. Eichel #NYR



He obviously has connections to Drury and the Rangers, but I think he’s trolling
RE: great deal - the best comp for him imo was Brodin's new deal  
Jay on the Island : 8/6/2021 7:43 pm : link
In comment 15324428 Eric on Li said:
Quote:
Pelech got more total $/years but lower AAV, which is a big win for the team. Great contract. Obviously injuries are always a risk over 8 years but they are only paying him through age 34 so even if he misses some time he should be a useful player the entire time. And if he misses significant time there's obviously ltir.

That is one of the best deals of the offseason. Great move by Lou.
Chytil?  
ColHowPepper : 8/7/2021 2:28 pm : link
Ryan Mead @OhRyanMead notes that Chytil does not appear on NYR roster online, which may signify something or nothing at all, with one tweet saying he has not been listed in the online roster for weeks, which can't be verified.

Feeling here is that teams in Rangers' division, specifically NYI and NJD, have helped themselves improve this offseason, Rangers--not so much. By asserting that I am not making a plea for an Eichel deal.
What site is Chytil  
pjcas18 : 8/9/2021 8:17 am : link
allegedly not on the roster?
Chytil is on the official Rangers website roster  
Greg from LI : 8/9/2021 8:19 am : link
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