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Jay on the Island : 7/28/2021 10:13 am
Free agency begins today so please post any FA moves or trades here.

The Avalanche and captain Gabriel Landeskog come to terms on an eight-year, $56 million contract extension.

Tyson Barrie re-signed with Edmonton. 3 year deal.

Pierre LeBrun
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All signs point to UFA G Jonathan Bernier signing with New Jersey today.
As we reported before, UFA G Jaroslav Halak should be signing with Vancouver.
I wonder if UFA G James Reimer ends up in SJ or Vegas?
Still lots to play out with goalies.

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TeamSchlitz1 : 7/28/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15315320 JayBinQueens said:
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Phil Danault has signed with the LA Kings, six years, $5.5M AAV


Thrilled NYR didn't win that bidding contest. Love him as a player but not sure it would be worth the trouble to flip him and Strome. Would rather give Barron a chance or buy a 4th line center in the 2 million and under category.
NYR oddly silent  
JonC : 7/28/2021 2:14 pm : link
but suppose it's a good thing they're not overspending on Centers.
RE: grubaur 6 years, 35 mil  
Mike in NY : 7/28/2021 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15315308 JayBinQueens said:
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to Seattle


That surprises me with Dreidger and Vanecek from expansion draft
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pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 2:24 pm : link
Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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Hearing BOS and Erik Haula are heating up
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pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 2:31 pm : link
Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
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Tomas Nosek agrees to 2 years $3.5 deal with the Bruins. AAV $1.75 mil
Alex Edler signs with the Kings  
Jay on the Island : 7/28/2021 2:37 pm : link
1 year $3.5 million
According to  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 3:17 pm : link
McKenzie things are "dead quiet" on the Eichel front.

If so, with all the musical chairs today, have to think a few of the potential suitors have dropped out simply due to cap constraints (LAK, potentially Minny). Not sure who really remains as potential fits in addition to the Rangers, maybe MTL? ANA?

If Eichel is the prize here, hopefully this game of chicken has paid off for Drury, as Adams is seeing his options vanish. If not, the Rangers will have some cap space to maneuver and take on whatever comes available throughout the year, while seemingly still having a potential deadline asset in Strome.

Re Eichel  
jv : 7/28/2021 3:26 pm : link
Larry Brooks has had several tweets today that seem an awful lot like they're the front office negotiating through the media.
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Trading Braden Schneider would simply be a repeat of the same mistakes the rangers have been making for generations.

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In one corner: Zibanejad at $10M (plus?) for seven years starting at age 29. In the other: Eichel at $10M for five years starting at age 25, immediate health concerns, plus the cost of acquisition.

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In a vacuum, sending Chytil and Kravtsov to Buffalo in package for Eichel is certainly reasonable. But after already moving out Buchnevich, dealing those two young forwards would destroy the organization's depth up front. Team would be one top-six injury away from calamity.
Can someone please fill me on Tony DeAngelo?  
Jints in Carolina : 7/28/2021 3:30 pm : link
Canes fans are pissed off that he may sign with Carolina.

Cancer in the locker room? I genuinely do not know the cause of the hysteria.
DeAngelo  
jv : 7/28/2021 3:38 pm : link
Had some incidents while in junior. He was suspended for abuse towards and official and also by his team for using a slur towards a teammate.

He's a big time Republican and Trump supporter and likes to let you know about it on Twitter (or at least used to) which in this day there's a large sector of people that don't appreciate it.

There was apparently bad blood between him and Georgiev (the Rangers goalie) for a while. They fought in the tunnel after a game and that was it... There were rumors on twitter that he was giving an AA teammate K'Andre Miller a hard time. Those rumors have not been substantiated.

By all accounts many if not all of his teammates liked him. He was always willing to step up for teammates and frankly seemed to enjoy it.

He's not a good defender but can be a very high end offensive defenseman. People that have a problem with the signing likely feel that way due to political reasons and his past transgressions in Juniors.
RE: DeAngelo  
Jints in Carolina : 7/28/2021 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15315427 jv said:
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Had some incidents while in junior. He was suspended for abuse towards and official and also by his team for using a slur towards a teammate.

He's a big time Republican and Trump supporter and likes to let you know about it on Twitter (or at least used to) which in this day there's a large sector of people that don't appreciate it.

There was apparently bad blood between him and Georgiev (the Rangers goalie) for a while. They fought in the tunnel after a game and that was it... There were rumors on twitter that he was giving an AA teammate K'Andre Miller a hard time. Those rumors have not been substantiated.

By all accounts many if not all of his teammates liked him. He was always willing to step up for teammates and frankly seemed to enjoy it.

He's not a good defender but can be a very high end offensive defenseman. People that have a problem with the signing likely feel that way due to political reasons and his past transgressions in Juniors.


Thank you sir. Looks like the Canes did sign him.
Tampa Bay  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 3:43 pm : link
and Point agree to an 8 year, $76M extension ($9.5M per)
RE: According to  
Greg from LI : 7/28/2021 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15315407 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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If Eichel is the prize here, hopefully this game of chicken has paid off for Drury, as Adams is seeing his options vanish. If not, the Rangers will have some cap space to maneuver and take on whatever comes available throughout the year, while seemingly still having a potential deadline asset in Strome.


It's looking more and more like Adams painted himself into a corner and has few options left. The Rangers just might be able to get Eichel at a deep discount, something like Zac Jones, a first, and some other prospect.
On Deangelo  
Kyle in NY : 7/28/2021 3:51 pm : link
Rangers sent him home for the season 6 games into a new two year contract at solid money and were willing to buy him out. I think there was some frustration with maturity issues, not taking being scratched well, unsportsmanlike penalties, etc. Apparently was told no more issues and then the thing with Georgiev happened and that was it.

Maybe some tension in the locker room too. I think it was FMiC who had a source that said some teammates had asked him to cool it with political chatter amongst the group. Essentially leave it at the door when you show up, whether you were in agreement or not politically, it turned into a distraction. He's polarizing to say the least.
No one mentions  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 3:51 pm : link
that the slur TDA used in juniors was not a racial slur it was some kind of ethnic slur. Not sure what specifically.

And while that could be a distinction without a difference - being an asshole is being an asshole does it really matter how you are an asshole?

however so many people alluded to TDA's racist past because that detail was always omitted from stories about his juniors incident causing many people to jump to conclusions his incident was racial - so he must have problems with Miller.

but as jv mentioned, none of that (TDA issues with Miller) was ever substantiated and only ever refuted by Miller directly or via his agent.

I can definitely see TDA and goalies having issues, TDA is a horror show in his own end.
I'd have preferred to give up this past year's first than this year's.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/28/2021 3:52 pm : link
I do think the Rangers will have a worse pick, but think the draft is going to be much better in 2022.

I think the Brooks tweets are a little weird - what team has a lot of depth for the top-nine? I'm not concerned about the top-nine at all, even if you were to lose Kravtsov and Chytil (I'd hate to lose Kravtsov, though).
To the Brooks tweets above  
Kyle in NY : 7/28/2021 3:55 pm : link
people keep throwing out $10MM for a Mika extension but would he really get that? Landeskog just got 8x8 at the same age. Mika is a center but why would he get more than that?
RE: I'd have preferred to give up this past year's first than this year's.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/28/2021 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15315438 BrettNYG10 said:
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I do think the Rangers will have a worse pick, but think the draft is going to be much better in 2022.

I think the Brooks tweets are a little weird - what team has a lot of depth for the top-nine? I'm not concerned about the top-nine at all, even if you were to lose Kravtsov and Chytil (I'd hate to lose Kravtsov, though).


Actually, nevermind, yes, losing Kravtsov and Chytil would be rough. I'd try my hardest to avoid losing Kravtsov. I was a little too flippant there lol.

The bigger issue is the Zibanejad/Strome juggling regardless of if we get Eichel or not.
I'm not sure  
PwndPapi : 7/28/2021 4:06 pm : link
drawing a distinction between a racial slur and an ethnic slur is really the compelling defense it was intended to be. Maybe that shit plays well in CAR.
RE: RE: DeAngelo  
ColHowPepper : 7/28/2021 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15315428 Jints in Carolina said:
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Thank you sir. Looks like the Canes did sign him.
Jints, I think jv's, pj's and Kyle's summaries/comments are pretty spot on. Only thing I'd add on the KAM front and reports of tension with Td'A is that, while KAM did try to allay the reported racial/AA reporting by saying nothing to it (some said at the time that he/his agent figured it was best in his rookie season to downplay any such rift/report), think there was footage on opening night at MSG that KAM skated to the opposite end of the line as players were being introduced.

Underscore jv and pj: he is a careless disaster in his own end. A lot of it, imo, was mental, negligent in his outlet passes, as well as positioning on entries, so maybe room for improvement.
Thanks for all the responses guys  
Jints in Carolina : 7/28/2021 4:37 pm : link
We are already seeing how polarizing a figure he is here.
Mike Hoffman  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 4:47 pm : link
to the Habs for 3 years at $4.5M per.
RE: I'm not sure  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15315447 PwndPapi said:
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drawing a distinction between a racial slur and an ethnic slur is really the compelling defense it was intended to be. Maybe that shit plays well in CAR.


My point wasn't to make a compelling defense or any defense, my point was writers intentionally left out the fact it was an ethnic slur (aboriginal? not even sure what) incident in juniors so people naturally assumed it was racial.

And IMO that's a big deal. And as I said it doesn't mean TDA is less of an asshole (if you think that makes him an asshole), but it does mean you shouldn't jump to conclusions about TDA being a racist - which is the point many Rangers bloggers tried to make - without any facts.
RE: RE: I'm not sure  
NYerInMA : 7/28/2021 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15315502 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15315447 PwndPapi said:


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drawing a distinction between a racial slur and an ethnic slur is really the compelling defense it was intended to be. Maybe that shit plays well in CAR.



My point wasn't to make a compelling defense or any defense, my point was writers intentionally left out the fact it was an ethnic slur (aboriginal? not even sure what) incident in juniors so people naturally assumed it was racial.

And IMO that's a big deal. And as I said it doesn't mean TDA is less of an asshole (if you think that makes him an asshole), but it does mean you shouldn't jump to conclusions about TDA being a racist - which is the point many Rangers bloggers tried to make - without any facts.


The other note I remember reading about DeAngelo is that he's fine when things are going well, but he doesn't handle adversity well at all. I believe the term "ticking time bomb" was used. If things go poorly, it seems that he lashes out at anybody in range, whether that's an official or a teammate (as we saw with Georgiev). I think that, more so than his politics, is why lots of teams won't touch him. Seems to tie into the "maturity" issue.
RE: RE: I'm not sure  
PwndPapi : 7/28/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15315502 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15315447 PwndPapi said:


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drawing a distinction between a racial slur and an ethnic slur is really the compelling defense it was intended to be. Maybe that shit plays well in CAR.



My point wasn't to make a compelling defense or any defense, my point was writers intentionally left out the fact it was an ethnic slur (aboriginal? not even sure what) incident in juniors so people naturally assumed it was racial.

And IMO that's a big deal. And as I said it doesn't mean TDA is less of an asshole (if you think that makes him an asshole), but it does mean you shouldn't jump to conclusions about TDA being a racist - which is the point many Rangers bloggers tried to make - without any facts.


With due respect, it's semantics. People who use racist, bigoted slurs are racists and bigots. Who gives a shit whether a little reported on event that transpired in juniors was directed at a Jewish hockey player as opposed to an African American player? If he directed the slur at a French Canadian vs. Middle Eastern player, does that not make him a douchbag? What if it was a coach and not a player? Better?

You have a pattern of making excuses for despicable behavior. You're better than that.
Again  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 5:19 pm : link
you are missing the point and putting words in my mouth - and I thought *you* were better than that, but maybe not.

I am not making excuses for anything or saying anything is ok. No idea how you get that from my post.

but being racist is treated differently than other types of bias.

If you can't acknowledge that and how it played in to TDA's time in NY then no point furthering the discussion, just agree to disagree and move on. I don't need the sanctimony because you don't understand the point.

RE: Again  
PwndPapi : 7/28/2021 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15315540 pjcas18 said:
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you are missing the point and putting words in my mouth - and I thought *you* were better than that, but maybe not.

I am not making excuses for anything or saying anything is ok. No idea how you get that from my post.

but being racist is treated differently than other types of bias.

If you can't acknowledge that and how it played in to TDA's time in NY then no point furthering the discussion, just agree to disagree and move on. I don't need the sanctimony because you don't understand the point.


That incident was merely one piece of him being cut loose. It was not THE reason. A lot of Ranger fans questioned his acquisition at the time. A lot of Rangers' fans disliked him for being outspoken about his politics. A lot of Rangers' fans questioned his new deal because of his play in his own zone (which you cited above).

I don't care about his politics. I do care that he's an asshole and a likely racist and I'm not going to split hairs on which slur he used. I'm glad the idiot's gone. We should've dealt him 2 years ago.
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pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 5:25 pm : link
Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
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Linus Ullmark #NHLBruins : 4 years x $5 million

@DFOHockey @Sportsnet
Devs trade Will Butcher and a 5th to the Sabres  
Stu11 : 7/28/2021 5:33 pm : link
for future considerations(nothing) no surprise I though he'd be dealt during the draft for a 6th or a 7th. They got even less. He has decent skills maybe a change of scenery will do him good.
RE: Devs trade Will Butcher and a 5th to the Sabres  
Jay on the Island : 7/28/2021 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15315560 Stu11 said:
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for future considerations(nothing) no surprise I though he'd be dealt during the draft for a 6th or a 7th. They got even less. He has decent skills maybe a change of scenery will do him good.

Yea that's too much money to spend on a 7th defenseman. This also opens the door for Bahl.
No idea how BUF  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 5:44 pm : link
will ever improve.

seems mired in no-man's land.

I think they're favorite to get the #1 pick again next year. Them or ARI.

I'm surprised Kessel hasn't been moved. Maybe at the deadline. And Dvorak.

Besides Dvorak I like Jakob Chychrun and Clayton Keller, but that's not a nucleus.
RE: RE: I'm not sure  
ColHowPepper : 7/28/2021 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15315502 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15315447 PwndPapi said:
Quote: drawing a distinction between a racial slur and an ethnic slur is really the compelling defense it was intended to be. Maybe that shit plays well in CAR. ////

My point wasn't to make a compelling defense or any defense, my point was writers intentionally left out the fact it was an ethnic slur (aboriginal? not even sure what) incident in juniors so people naturally assumed it was racial.

And IMO that's a big deal. And as I said it doesn't mean TDA is less of an asshole (if you think that makes him an asshole), but it does mean you shouldn't jump to conclusions about TDA being a racist - which is the point many Rangers bloggers tried to make - without any facts.
Let's face facts, pj, your 3:51 was a mess. LOL Bottom line, it was a distinction w/o difference. The non-difference is hatred, whether because of race or ethnicity. Does it matter? Is anti-Asian, anti-semitism, or anti-Serb, e.g., any less cause for opprobrium than anti-AA? I don't believe for a second that you think those are.
Anyone else surprised by the Pens' lack of moves?  
PwndPapi : 7/28/2021 5:51 pm : link
Are they keeping the core together for one more run? Why haven't they added? If not, why is Malkin still there?
Jack Eichel to the Rangers?  
ColHowPepper : 7/28/2021 7:03 pm : link
Aside from reports from fans in the city of BUF that Eichel is or can be a major a-hole, let me pose this query for NYR fans: Let's say the team makes a major pitch and in the process gives up two of its promising 'kid' forwards, depleting the talent pool it has taken three years to build, doesn't that send a message to Zib that his time here is on a short string? As much as the team had shortcomings in the bubble vs CAR and late this season vs playoff caliber teams--and we know what they are--one factor the Rangers did not lack was team chemistry, they were a close knit, bonded group, which the sending out of town of Buch for essentially nothing has dealt a hit. If Zib thinks he's gone because the Rangers will not pay for 2 #1C contracts, what does that do to team chemistry, playing for this management?
RE: RE: RE: I'm not sure  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15315574 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 15315502 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 15315447 PwndPapi said:
Quote: drawing a distinction between a racial slur and an ethnic slur is really the compelling defense it was intended to be. Maybe that shit plays well in CAR. ////

My point wasn't to make a compelling defense or any defense, my point was writers intentionally left out the fact it was an ethnic slur (aboriginal? not even sure what) incident in juniors so people naturally assumed it was racial.

And IMO that's a big deal. And as I said it doesn't mean TDA is less of an asshole (if you think that makes him an asshole), but it does mean you shouldn't jump to conclusions about TDA being a racist - which is the point many Rangers bloggers tried to make - without any facts.

Let's face facts, pj, your 3:51 was a mess. LOL Bottom line, it was a distinction w/o difference. The non-difference is hatred, whether because of race or ethnicity. Does it matter? Is anti-Asian, anti-semitism, or anti-Serb, e.g., any less cause for opprobrium than anti-AA? I don't believe for a second that you think those are.


No, I don't think it's any less cause for criticism, but I do believe being a racist would get more attention. And I believe it's why the NYR bloggers were always vague about his OHL suspension and it's why some of them fabricated or pushed racist TDA stories. I think the evidence is pretty clear that certain bloggers 100% made shit up or at least pounced on the ambiguity of the OHL suspension (and it was very likely due to TDA's political affiliations IMO).

So I'm not saying his slur not be racist makes him a better person, but I am saying it not being racist makes it less newsworthy.

if you disagree fine, but you say something anti-aboriginal you apologize to the victim, you say something racist it's hard to come back (and it probably should be), but IMO it's not a distinction without a difference in the court of public opinion even if it is a distinction without a difference to someone's character.

that's all I'm going to say about it - people are free to have their own opinion.
I'm not clear on the distinction  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 7:30 pm : link
Ethnic slur is bad. But not as bad as a racial slur. Huh.

Are there white Aborigines?
I've said all I'm going to say  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 7:31 pm : link
about it, read what I wrote, if you don't understand or if you disagree, then great, it's your right.

on to more free agent talk for me.
RE: I've said all I'm going to say  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 7:33 pm : link
In comment 15315652 pjcas18 said:
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about it, read what I wrote, if you don't understand or if you disagree, then great, it's your right.

on to more free agent talk for me.


Fair enough.

Didn't Jarred Tinordi absolutely destroy Tom Wilson? Or am I remembering wrong?
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pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 7:41 pm : link
Adrian Dater
@adater
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Darcy Kuemper is close to being a member of the #Avs @ColHockeyNow
. Deal closing in
Seems steep for Kuemper  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 7:42 pm : link
Craig Morgan
@CraigSMorgan
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Hearing the Coyotes are trading Darcy Kuemper to Colorado for a first-rounder pick and defenseman Conor Timmins.
for those advanced analytics  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 7:54 pm : link
fans (and WAR fans).

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JFresh
@JFreshHockey
Since so many people asked, here are the updated WAR Roster Builder projected standings after the first seven hours of free agency. Still a lot of moves to be made (and some model tweaks as well), but for the sake of curiosity:

.....  
BrettNYG10 : 7/28/2021 7:58 pm : link
I assume a lot of that is based on projected player development for NYR?

Why are the Islanders so low?
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15315688 BrettNYG10 said:
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I assume a lot of that is based on projected player development for NYR?

Why are the Islanders so low?


Trotz doesn't factor in to the WAR calculation?

sum of the parts?

I don't know much about hockey WAR to say if it's indicative of anything.
RE: .....  
Mike from Ohio : 7/28/2021 8:21 pm : link
In comment 15315688 BrettNYG10 said:
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I assume a lot of that is based on projected player development for NYR?

Why are the Islanders so low?


Seattle is already in better position than the Islanders.

Good for them.
LOL.  
Mike from Ohio : 7/28/2021 8:27 pm : link
Seattle traded Vanicek back to the Capitals for a second round pick, and posted "Thank You, Vitek" to Twitter.

He will always be a legend to the Kraken faithful.
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pjcas18 : 7/28/2021 9:52 pm : link
HockeyHoundShow
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Breaking News: As reported by @frank_seravalli
the #CBJ Joonas Korpisalo is available for trade.
Late night Tarasanko update from a Blues writer  
theold5j : 7/29/2021 12:50 am : link
On The Athletic:

Devils and Carolina remain the 2 teams that make the most sense. A few teams that were seemingly in on him have went elsewhere. Talking about LA and Vegas. The guy suggests a slim possiblity of a Tarasanko/Eichel trade. Seems like they're having a tough time with the asking price ever since they offered him up for free to the Krak. Not a single mention of the NYI.
Devils still seeking a top 6 fwd  
Stu11 : 7/29/2021 8:16 am : link
Made a strong offer for Saad but sounds like he's waiting for a contender. I'd expect for them to hover around the Tarasenko thing.
The Eichel  
jv : 7/29/2021 8:52 am : link
situation is bizarre. I can't help but think Buffalo really blew this. There are seemingly only 2 serious suiters left in the Rangers and Ducks. A scenario where they get a bigger package than already offered doesn't seem very realistic. The only way that happens is Eichel comes back healthy, plays this season for Buffalo and looks like superstar he has in the past. Really seems though that relationship is destroyed and the roster isn't exactly setup for success.
I think the Eichel  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2021 8:56 am : link
hold up is medical. I think he's not 100% healthy and BUF is hesitant to share medicals and teams are hesitant to pay fair market for him without examining him or seeing recent medical reports.

I think BUF rides it out until someone either gets desperate or they do. Or like you said jv, he plays for them this year and re-establishes himself as an elite C. He's under contract and they have plenty of cap space, they are under no obligation to trade him.
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