NFT: NHL Free Agency Discussion

His NMC kicks in after next year, so they'd trade him at the deadline under your scenario, presumably?

What would a healthy Eichel command? A week ago I'd say Zegras and the Ducks first if it was Anaheim. Maybe Byfield and their first if the Kings. For the Rangers, one of Kakko/Laf and a first. Maybe I'm even underselling it.

I think some here underrate Eichel a bit. Health and other concerns are totally valid however, so it's not an easy call.

should not be a limiting factor. Eichel is the one who requested a trade, fairly certain he'd waive his NMC without any consideration required for doing it.

I think you're right on the value, but I was thinking BUF might be looking for more high quality prospects instead of teams best.

So for LAK IOW maybe Turcotte and Kaliyev plus a 1st instead of Byfield.

For ANA maybe Drysdale and Perreault and a 1st.

something like that - you know a quantity over quality thing.

Because what's the point if you give up Eichel and get a player who in all likelihood is not going to be as good as Eichel (and draft picks who also won't likely be as good as Eichel).

the way I think of it is if you can get quantity you're improving the overall floor of your team if you know what I mean.

but who knows what BUF is thinking. I still don't know why they traded Reinhart. FLA can be really good this year.

It's not as if repeatedly getting crunched against the boards or stanchions or being hip checked as you weave your way across the ice is actually a good thing for a compromised back.

As I said a week or two ago, any team that is going to make a deal should insist on making its own, physical exam replete with MRI. It would be just the sort of negligence, professional malpractice, you lay at the feet of a wet behind the ears GM.

Have definite interest in Tarasenko. Going to be interesting.

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Have definite interest in Tarasenko. Going to be interesting.

I'd love this but I'd also low ball the fuck out of St Louis to start

They left the dude unprotected for fuck's sake...they aren't getting a king's ransom for him

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Have definite interest in Tarasenko. Going to be interesting.

Any source for this?

This would be a head scratcher for me. Trade arguably our best all around F in Buch (who ended up signing for sub $6M), and essentially replace him with a winger who has a higher salary hit ($6.5M), and is coming off of 3 shoulder surgeries. All of this while again pushing one of the kids down to the 3rd line, which seemingly is why they freed up Buch's spot.

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Made a strong offer for Saad but sounds like he's waiting for a contender. I'd expect for them to hover around the Tarasenko thing.

I'd be happy with Saad as long as the contract didn't exceed 3-4 years. I would prefer Tarasenko as long as the doctors clear him.

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Have definite interest in Tarasenko. Going to be interesting.

Insider info? Because on the hoof, it makes no sense

Thankfully for us

I tend to focus on quality but see your point.

Anak, not surprised. I hope we can get a second or third for him.

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With due respect, it's semantics. People who use racist, bigoted slurs are racists and bigots. Who gives a shit whether a little reported on event that transpired in juniors was directed at a Jewish hockey player as opposed to an African American player? If he directed the slur at a French Canadian vs. Middle Eastern player, does that not make him a douchbag? What if it was a coach and not a player? Better? You have a pattern of making excuses for despicable behavior. You're better than that.

Do you always judge people for life based on a stupid comment they made as a teenager? Thats a little harsh, no? Somehow, i dont think you hold yourself to the same standards you hold others to.

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Do you always judge people for life based on a stupid comment they made as a teenager? Thats a little harsh, no? Somehow, i dont think you hold yourself to the same standards you hold others to.

That's great and all. But not using racial slurs and not using racial slurs at work is really not that high a bar to set for oneself or others. I don't know you or pjcas personally but I'd suspect neither one of you has ever directed a racial slur at a co-worker.

And let's not pretend this assholishness is an isolated incident. If it were, he'd probably still be in NY.

The Fourth Period seems to be the source of the NYR/Tarasenko rumors.

so we trade a nearly PPG winger, who never misses a game, is great defensively, is great at killing penalties, and plays with some snarl...because we can't afford him at 5-6 mill AAV. But then we are going to trade for Tarenseko at 7.5 mill AAV for next two years, and they guy hasn't been able to stay on the ice for two seasons now. Makes a lot of sense.

Sounds like a bull shit rumor to me. The ONLY money this team is spending (past next season)is on a top 2 line center. Otherwise it will only be on a 1 year deal (through trade on someone with only 1 year left or a UFA for only 1 year)...since we have plenty of cap space this upcoming season, but then it gets tight going forward from there.

In comment 15316241 PwndPapi said:

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In comment 15316178 MetsAreBack said: Quote: Do you always judge people for life based on a stupid comment they made as a teenager? Thats a little harsh, no? Somehow, i dont think you hold yourself to the same standards you hold others to. That's great and all. But not using racial slurs and not using racial slurs at work is really not that high a bar to set for oneself or others. I don't know you or pjcas personally but I'd suspect neither one of you has ever directed a racial slur at a co-worker. And let's not pretend this assholishness is an isolated incident. If it were, he'd probably still be in NY.

I didnt have co-workers when i was a teenager, so its a pretty lousy analogy.

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In comment 15316241 PwndPapi said: Quote: In comment 15316178 MetsAreBack said: Quote: Do you always judge people for life based on a stupid comment they made as a teenager? Thats a little harsh, no? Somehow, i dont think you hold yourself to the same standards you hold others to. That's great and all. But not using racial slurs and not using racial slurs at work is really not that high a bar to set for oneself or others. I don't know you or pjcas personally but I'd suspect neither one of you has ever directed a racial slur at a co-worker. And let's not pretend this assholishness is an isolated incident. If it were, he'd probably still be in NY. I didnt have co-workers when i was a teenager, so its a pretty lousy analogy.

Well, I did and I somehow managed to successfully navigate the workplace without calling referring to any of them as a kike, or a wop, guinea, etc. Weird, huh?

I also never fought a co-worker or got knocked the fuck out at work.

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I also never fought a co-worker or got knocked the fuck out at work.

You aren't living life right then, PwndPapi.

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In comment 15316412 PwndPapi said: Quote: I also never fought a co-worker or got knocked the fuck out at work. You aren't living life right then, PwndPapi.

We cannot judge someone's whole life until we've been knocked the fuck out at work.

teammates (which is really more applicable than co-workers) were brutal to each other. There was some down right nasty comments and of course we had fights with each other. WTF kind of hockey teams doesn't have fights with each other? Next day you hug it out and move on. Sports are heated, I got kicked out of many practices for fighting with teammates. Quite a few players did. It's normal.

I personally never used a slur toward a teammate, I grew up in the projects where I was practically a minority so I always had respect for words - but I'd use other words that were still vulgar if not quite as derogatory, but fights with teammates? Sure, it happens.

Some of you talk out of your asses and think it's intelligent or informed , but it's really spewing bullshit.

Minority, non-minority didn't matter we were tough on each other - and sometimes it did cross a line with some people (unfortunately). But we were super protective, fiercely protective if anyone else was brutal to our teammates.

Kind of like a family.

I am not condoning what TDA did or said at 17 - it's not Ok, but I'm also not surprised at 17 he said something derogatory. I'm actually surprised the OHL suspended him for it, I view that as progress. I'm also encouraged that TDA has not had another diversity policy violation (at least not publicly) - that's how life is supposed to work.

When you do something wrong, you get penalized for it and pay a price, and you learn from it and are a better person for it. Of course it would be great if people didn't need to learn lessons the hard way, but that's not very realistic to expect.

Some people have unrealistic expectations for adolescents.

[quote]When you do something wrong, you get penalized for it and pay a price, and you learn from it and are a better person for it. Of course it would be great if people didn't need to learn lessons the hard way, but that's not very realistic to expect.

Some people have unrealistic expectations for adolescents.[quote]

Wonderful. Now apply this "live and let learn" philosophy to someone with whom you disagree politically and let's see if you end up in the same place.

I think your take is more than a little naive. Plenty of folks face the consequences for a thing. Some pay a little. Some end up paying their entire lives. Many do so disproportionately.

I'm not convinced TDA has learned anything. He's 25 and still carrying on with his dickbag bro routine. All while getting paid $5M a year. Boo fucking hoo.

and drafted Tarasenko. Jerks.

Agree with pj, the Eichel hangup is his medicals not being shared by the Sabres. It would probably collapse their offers in hand, at the least.

In comment 15316439 PwndPapi said:

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[quote]When you do something wrong, you get penalized for it and pay a price, and you learn from it and are a better person for it. Of course it would be great if people didn't need to learn lessons the hard way, but that's not very realistic to expect. Some people have unrealistic expectations for adolescents.[quote] Wonderful. Now apply this "live and let learn" philosophy to someone with whom you disagree politically and let's see if you end up in the same place. I think your take is more than a little naive. Plenty of folks face the consequences for a thing. Some pay a little. Some end up paying their entire lives. Many do so disproportionately. I'm not convinced TDA has learned anything. He's 25 and still carrying on with his dickbag bro routine. All while getting paid $5M a year. Boo fucking hoo.

I get along with people who disagree with me politically all the time. I think most people do.

Maybe I'm naive, but also maybe you live too much in the extremes.

TDA doesn't have to convince you of anything, you're not hiring him and you have a choice to avoid any team/business who employs him.

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and drafted Tarasenko. Jerks. Agree with pj, the Eichel hangup is his medicals not being shared by the Sabres. It would probably collapse their offers in hand, at the least.

Rangers chose McIlrath over him (as I'm sure you remember) after Gaborik got his ass kicked by Carcillo. Repeating those mistakes this off-season, on a more minor scale, imo.

and Chytil agree to a 2 year deal, no word on price yet.

Saad agrees to a 5 year deal, at $4.5M AAV with St Louis.

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In comment 15316439 PwndPapi said: Quote: [quote]When you do something wrong, you get penalized for it and pay a price, and you learn from it and are a better person for it. Of course it would be great if people didn't need to learn lessons the hard way, but that's not very realistic to expect. Some people have unrealistic expectations for adolescents.[quote] Wonderful. Now apply this "live and let learn" philosophy to someone with whom you disagree politically and let's see if you end up in the same place. I think your take is more than a little naive. Plenty of folks face the consequences for a thing. Some pay a little. Some end up paying their entire lives. Many do so disproportionately. I'm not convinced TDA has learned anything. He's 25 and still carrying on with his dickbag bro routine. All while getting paid $5M a year. Boo fucking hoo. I get along with people who disagree with me politically all the time. I think most people do. Maybe I'm naive, but also maybe you live too much in the extremes. TDA doesn't have to convince you of anything, you're not hiring him and you have a choice to avoid any team/business who employs him.

I live in the extremes because I recognize a pattern of behavior that's repugnant? I live in the extremes because I think racism doesn't have a place in sports?

Your adorable kumbaya semi-pro hockey anecdote aside, sports on all levels has a problem with racism and bigotry. All sports. Particularly the NHL and European soccer. Athletes and fans alike. Adolescents who grow up in communities where this isn't addressed, or addressed with a wink and nod become adults who throw banana peels at professional soccer players and colleagues throw glib fried chicken and watermelon shade at Tiger Woods. It's why it's such a big deal when a football player announces he's gay.

Ever wonder what it was like for Grant Fuhr or Jerome Iginla coming through the league? Jackie Robinson? What do you think it was like being an LA Clipper with a withered racist ballsack as your owner? You think any of them would agree with your take that racial slurs ought to be graded on a sliding scale based on which group is offended?

Are they all living in the extremes?

Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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Corey Perry took a 2 year deal in Tampa Bay.

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and Chytil agree to a 2 year deal, no word on price yet. Saad agrees to a 5 year deal, at $4.5M AAV with St Louis.

Interesting with Saad. The money isn't bad, the term is a bit long. I figured he's spent his whole career deep in the playoffs. He didn't want to go to a rebuilding team like the Devs. With all the guys down the road we'll have to pay like Hughes, Smith, Sharengovich etc...5 years is too much term any way.

misrepresent what someone says, like this:

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You think any of them would agree with your take that racial slurs ought to be graded on a sliding scale based on which group is offended

You lose any credibility you have an come off as disingenuous and make me less inclined to even respond.

I never said that there *should* be a sliding scale, I said society reacts differently based on the slur. It's a fact, not my take on how it should be.

but the rest of your word salad is silly almost juvenile like a kid wrote it. Almost no one in 2021 thinks racism should exist in sports or anywhere. I would say no one, but I'll allow for the fraction of a percent of actual racists who think racism should exist in sports.

but thinking it shouldn't exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist and the way to eradicate it is exactly how the incident with TDA was handled in the OHL.

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misrepresent what someone says, like this: Quote: You think any of them would agree with your take that racial slurs ought to be graded on a sliding scale based on which group is offended You lose any credibility you have an come off as disingenuous and make me less inclined to even respond. I never said that there *should* be a sliding scale, I said society reacts differently based on the slur. It's a fact, not my take on how it should be. but the rest of your word salad is silly almost juvenile like a kid wrote it. Almost no one in 2021 thinks racism should exist in sports or anywhere. I would say no one, but I'll allow for the fraction of a percent of actual racists who think racism should exist in sports. but thinking it shouldn't exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist and the way to eradicate it is exactly how the incident with TDA was handled in the OHL.

No. You placed the blame squarely on the media or bloggers for mischaracterizing the slur and the anti-aboriginal slur TDA used wasn't quite as bad. Which is where this all began. The slur was bad enough that the OHL suspended TDA and forced him to apologize. I'm sure he loved that. I'm sure it was all rooted in friendly team banter.

you struggle with reading comprehension, as well as reality.

Not worth my time to reply to you.

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you struggle with reading comprehension, as well as reality. Not worth my time to reply to you.

Stop it. Be a big boy, take the L, and quit trying to weasel your way out of the semantics box you've put yourself in.

I understand the effort to maybe add some nuance to the debate when opinions, especially online, can overwhelmingly fall on one side. But I just don't know if Deangleo is really deserving of it.

If TDA took his OHL suspension and this was the last we'd heard of it and he spent the rest of his career as a model citizen, that'd be one thing. But he's now on his 4th franchise by the age of 25, his behavior online is at best immature (not to mention immature behavior on the ice and in the locker room), and the Rangers gave up on him 6 games into a $9.6 million contract. There's just a lot of evidence that he hasn't really changed much as a person. And that's before some of the stuff we heard from sources here as to what was really going on in the locker room between him and Georgiev. This is beyond second chances and whether or not actions as a teenager should follow you forever. Tony is working on chance 4 or 5 at least. At some point, it seems like he's just not getting it. We'll see how it goes in Carolina, I'd have to think it's his last shot.

Let's get back to free agency

Rangers were apparently going to walk away from Buchnevich after arbitration according to ESPN.

In comment 15316541 PwndPapi said:

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In comment 15316537 pjcas18 said: Quote: you struggle with reading comprehension, as well as reality. Not worth my time to reply to you. Stop it. Be a big boy, take the L, and quit trying to weasel your way out of the semantics box you've put yourself in.

You're pedantic and tiring, you offer no substance, and live in a world devoid of reality.

Take a W and L I don't care whatever it is that makes your lack of self esteem feel better I don't care, I'm not engaging with you any further.

gets 2 years, at $2.3M per.

Mark Scheig
@markscheig
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16m
Athanasiou signs with the Kings, 1 year, $2.7 million AAV.

the fascination with the "puck movers" is often regretted.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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14m
Jon Merrill 1 x $850K MIN

Canadiens sign 33-year-old C/LW Mathieu Perreault to a one-year contract worth $950,000.

@RocketSports
@HabsConnection

#allhabs #Habs #GoHabsGo 

Per @allhabs Twitter

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going all in on the sandpaper.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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31s
Rangers acquire Ryan Reaves per @renlavoietva

NYR opener going to be one to watch.

but better late than never. Can we get Ratelle, Park & Middleton back now?

was hoping he hit the market.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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12m
Werenski signs 6 x $9,583,333 extension with #CBJ

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was hoping he hit the market. NHL News @PuckReportNHL · 12m Werenski signs 6 x $9,583,333 extension with #CBJ

WOOOOOOOOF. Yikes!

Foxy smiles....

huge loss for the Bruins, big time, big game player.

Dan Kramer
@DanKramerHabs
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8m
Krejci leaving the NHL to return to the Czech Republic for family reasons.

non-mighty have fallen.

LA Kings
@LAKings
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15m
NEWS: The LA Kings have signed @LiasAndersson
to a one-year, two-way contract.

it's a joke right?

Oilers News and Updates
@oilersaccess
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Elliotte Friedman on 630CHED says he wouldn't be surprised if Darnell Nurse's extension comes in around $9M given the contracts the defenseman has signed recently.

gone from MTL - multiple teams in on him - decision soon.,

And this.....

Randy Timmins
@The_Creasy
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Apparently after a full day of back and forth yesterday between Montreal and Buffalo, Habs have upped their offer for Eichel and are waiting for a clear medical report. A few teams have dropped out of the sweepstakes, notably, Minnesota. Few teams remain. #GoHabsGo