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NFT: Passan: Yanks Finalizing Deal to make Gallo a Yankee

Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 8:05 pm
From Passan's Twitter:


Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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BREAKING: The New York Yankees are finalizing a deal to acquire outfielder Joey Gallo from the Texas Rangers, sources tell ESPN. The deal is pending medical review.
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It's basically done.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 8:06 pm : link
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He'll fit right in  
rnargi : 7/28/2021 8:08 pm : link
...HR or K... And it won't be pretty in a short series against good pitching. Yay.
Interested to see what we traded in return.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 8:09 pm : link
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Jomboy is saying  
Mike from SI : 7/28/2021 8:10 pm : link
it's 6 players for 2 players. (He tends to be reliable although obviously he started off recently and as an outsider.)
Hoping it's not much.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 8:10 pm : link
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Joey Gallo is dead.  
State Your Name : 7/28/2021 8:10 pm : link
I’m Joey Callo!
I hate this move  
superspynyg : 7/28/2021 8:11 pm : link
Especially if we give up big assets.
Looks like it's official, MLB Network is talking about it.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 8:12 pm : link
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RE: He'll fit right in  
section125 : 7/28/2021 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15315701 rnargi said:
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...HR or K... And it won't be pretty in a short series against good pitching. Yay.


1 HR and 3 Ks per game
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Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 8:13 pm : link
MLB Network
@MLBNetwork
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BREAKING: Joey Gallo is reportedly headed to The Bronx!

#MLBTonight has complete coverage now!
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Clarke Schmidt is in the deal apparently.  
Strahan91 : 7/28/2021 8:15 pm : link
That's all I've seen so far
Deleted my thread so we can consolidate here  
JoeMoney19 : 7/28/2021 8:16 pm : link
Sorry for those who posted on it.
RE: Clarke Schmidt is in the deal apparently.  
Mike from SI : 7/28/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15315718 Strahan91 said:
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That's all I've seen so far


I like him but am not going to bawl my eyes out over it.
Getting John King too in the deal  
Strahan91 : 7/28/2021 8:17 pm : link
per Jomboy
RE: Getting John King too in the deal  
section125 : 7/28/2021 8:18 pm : link
In comment 15315722 Strahan91 said:
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per Jomboy


Who?
RE: Deleted my thread so we can consolidate here  
section125 : 7/28/2021 8:18 pm : link
In comment 15315719 JoeMoney19 said:
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Sorry for those who posted on it.


Thanks Joe...
RE: RE: Getting John King too in the deal  
section125 : 7/28/2021 8:20 pm : link
In comment 15315723 section125 said:
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per Jomboy



Who?


LH pitcher - not bad stats
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/28/2021 8:22 pm : link
Joey Gallo? I said Joey Callo.
Three I've seen so far  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 8:23 pm : link
Schmidt
Trevor Hauver (3rd rounder- 2020 draft)
Ezequiel Duran
Ughhhhhh  
terz22 : 7/28/2021 8:24 pm : link
Gross
RE: Three I've seen so far  
Strahan91 : 7/28/2021 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15315729 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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Schmidt
Trevor Hauver (3rd rounder- 2020 draft)
Ezequiel Duran

If that's the bulk of the return I can definitely live with it
Joey  
arniefez : 7/28/2021 8:25 pm : link
Gallo?
Bob Dylan Joey Alternate Version - ( New Window )
Damn would really hate to lose Schmidt and not  
NoGainDayne : 7/28/2021 8:31 pm : link
make the playoffs.

But if we do and he keeps up his quality of play it's definitely a good move.
Judge appears to be coming  
section125 : 7/28/2021 8:32 pm : link
into the game...
.  
Strahan91 : 7/28/2021 8:33 pm : link

Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
The Texas Rangers will receive RHP Glenn Otto, 2B Ezequiel Duran, SS Josh Smith and 2B/OF Trevor Hauver as part of the package from the New York Yankees in the Joey Gallo trade, sources tell ESPN.

Rangers are getting massive haul of prospects in this deal. Others involved, too.
Other names I've seen are:  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 8:34 pm : link
Everson Pereira
Randy Vazquez

Not sure what the final package looks like.
Looks like  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 8:36 pm : link
no Schmidt according to Jomboy now.
From Sherman  
Strahan91 : 7/28/2021 8:39 pm : link
The #Yankees reached deep into their pitching and middle-IF depth in this package for Gallo, but did not touch the two middle IF they believe have the highest upside in Oswald Peraza and Anthony Volpe, nor pitching with Luis Gil, Luis Medina or Clarke Schmidt.
Was the judge scratch  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 8:42 pm : link
Some sort of ruse by the Yankees? He just showed up outta nowhere. Weird.
RE: From Sherman  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15315746 Strahan91 said:
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The #Yankees reached deep into their pitching and middle-IF depth in this package for Gallo, but did not touch the two middle IF they believe have the highest upside in Oswald Peraza and Anthony Volpe, nor pitching with Luis Gil, Luis Medina or Clarke Schmidt.


Beautiful. Love that.
Haha, of course it's Gallo. Is he really going to touch postseason  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 8:49 pm : link
pitching? 600K from him, Stanton and Judge, yuck.

Let's see what the final package is.
When people bitch about player development  
Mike from SI : 7/28/2021 8:50 pm : link
just remember that a bunch of our prospects, but not the best ones, brought back Gallo. That's hard to quantify or compare but seems to be a good sign.
RE: Was the judge scratch  
section125 : 7/28/2021 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15315749 Bricktop said:
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Some sort of ruse by the Yankees? He just showed up outta nowhere. Weird.


He looks a bit like he had a stomach virus - just looks washed out. Maybe the shits...
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ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2021 8:51 pm : link
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Evan Grant @Evan_P_Grant · 4m Hear are names I've been told could be coming back Rangers way from Yankees: SS Josh Smith, 2B Ezequiel Duran, OF Everson Pereira, 2B-OF Trevor Hauver, RHP Glen Otto & RHP Randy Vasquez. Still nothing official. May take some time to sort through medicals



Pereira is one that stings for me even though he's far away.
RE: Haha, of course it's Gallo. Is he really going to touch postseason  
section125 : 7/28/2021 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15315758 Jim in Hoboken said:
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pitching? 600K from him, Stanton and Judge, yuck.

Let's see what the final package is.


He's got 25 HRs and a .870 OPS. And yes 4th highest K in MLB. Not chopped liver and a good OF.
Would've liked to hold onto Pereira, I bet at least three prospects  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 8:55 pm : link
out of that package make the show.

Are they going to play Gallo at CF?
I'll like this move  
terz22 : 7/28/2021 8:56 pm : link
If it means hicks ass is grass. One can hope.
The team desperately needed a left-handed bat  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/28/2021 8:57 pm : link
Gallo has his warts but he’s a nice addition to the order.
RE: ...  
Carson53 : 7/28/2021 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15315727 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Joey Gallo? I said Joey Callo.
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Love the Vinny reference, I use it often, LOL.
RE: I'll like this move  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15315765 terz22 said:
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If it means hicks ass is grass. One can hope.


Wow. I forgot Hicks even existed until I read your post. Not even kidding.
RE: RE: Haha, of course it's Gallo. Is he really going to touch postseason  
Carson53 : 7/28/2021 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15315763 section125 said:
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pitching? 600K from him, Stanton and Judge, yuck.

Let's see what the final package is.



He's got 25 HRs and a .870 OPS. And yes 4th highest K in MLB. Not chopped liver and a good OF.
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Joey Callo also leads the league in walks they said.
Hopefully Gardner sees the bench now, rather have Allen
out there, and he's a SH as well. He covers more ground, more speed.
Shit, he is 6'5"  
section125 : 7/28/2021 9:05 pm : link
..
Hard to trade a Hicks  
Carson53 : 7/28/2021 9:06 pm : link
when A)he is injury prone, and B)has 40 mill. left on his deal, for FOUR more years. That's always been the kicker
with his deal, the length of his contract, not AAV.
that is  
RasputinPrime : 7/28/2021 9:07 pm : link
a boatload of hitting talent going back the other way. Otto we probably sold high on but gutting our entire 2B pool is a really odd move.

Love Gallo but really don't love the deal.
i'll add  
RasputinPrime : 7/28/2021 9:09 pm : link
that we aren't one Gallo away from being a player for the WS and now we have no more Hal-bucks to spend.
RE: that is  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15315779 RasputinPrime said:
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a boatload of hitting talent going back the other way. Otto we probably sold high on but gutting our entire 2B pool is a really odd move.

Love Gallo but really don't love the deal.


These are Cashman prospects. I wouldn't worry much.
That’s maybe two top 10 prospects  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/28/2021 9:10 pm : link
and those guys didn’t start the season as top 10 prospects. For a top 20-25 hitter in baseball with the sport’s highest walk percentage, that’s not bad.

Gardy to the bench can’t hurt either.
RE: that is  
section125 : 7/28/2021 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15315779 RasputinPrime said:
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a boatload of hitting talent going back the other way. Otto we probably sold high on but gutting our entire 2B pool is a really odd move.

Love Gallo but really don't love the deal.


Torres is 24?
RE: RE: that is  
RasputinPrime : 7/28/2021 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15315783 section125 said:
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In comment 15315779 RasputinPrime said:


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a boatload of hitting talent going back the other way. Otto we probably sold high on but gutting our entire 2B pool is a really odd move.

Love Gallo but really don't love the deal.



Torres is 24?


Well they are clearly doubling down on him being part of the solution. I was really excited to see Smith and Hauser. Duran was getting rave reviews.
RE: that is  
adamg : 7/28/2021 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15315779 RasputinPrime said:
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a boatload of hitting talent going back the other way. Otto we probably sold high on but gutting our entire 2B pool is a really odd move.

Love Gallo but really don't love the deal.


I like the sound of that! Move Torres back to second please!
RE: RE: RE: that is  
section125 : 7/28/2021 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15315785 RasputinPrime said:
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a boatload of hitting talent going back the other way. Otto we probably sold high on but gutting our entire 2B pool is a really odd move.

Love Gallo but really don't love the deal.



Torres is 24?



Well they are clearly doubling down on him being part of the solution. I was really excited to see Smith and Hauser. Duran was getting rave reviews.


Views from 314ft said Duran was still not hitting the curve ball, IIRC.
RE: That’s maybe two top 10 prospects  
section125 : 7/28/2021 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15315782 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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and those guys didn’t start the season as top 10 prospects. For a top 20-25 hitter in baseball with the sport’s highest walk percentage, that’s not bad.

Gardy to the bench can’t hurt either.


He was supposed to be on the bench. So back to the beginning?
we are going to strike out a tonne  
RasputinPrime : 7/28/2021 9:21 pm : link
and in the playoffs, which we don't have an even chance of making at this point, that will get this team put down.

A fair mid season re-rate:

Duran was slated to rank 6th, Smith 8th, Otto 20th, Hauver 22nd.

Yanks are down two OF starters from Opening Day  
shyster : 7/28/2021 9:26 pm : link
Hicks and Frazier.

Gallo replacing one of those spots still leaves one for Gardner.

If Cashman benches Gardner for Greg Allen against right hand pitching, particularly in October, I will eat my hat.
Obviously we improved, by a lot, if this means Gardner now stays  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 9:32 pm : link
glued to the bench.

Pereira is the one I hated losing the most, Duran is no big loss since we have so many SS/2B prospects. At least none of the top tier got dealt.

As for this year, I guess let's make the playoffs first, but Gallo isn't solving a lot of our hitting woes. He strikes out even more than Stanton, by a mile!! I really don't get why this team just doesn't seem to care about K's.

As for next year, are they signing him after next? Will they have to pick one between him and Judge? Are they playing him at 1B? Taking a GG RF to make a 1B would be this team's MO.
FWIW  
section125 : 7/28/2021 9:33 pm : link
Views from 314 ft - their opinion on Gallo.
Gallo - ( New Window )
Hopefully Voit gets hot again  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/28/2021 9:38 pm : link
and they can trade him in the offseason.
RE: RE: He'll fit right in  
PA Aggie : 7/28/2021 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15315715 section125 said:
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...HR or K... And it won't be pretty in a short series against good pitching. Yay.


At least we get the HR on occasion! With Stanton we just get the 3 K's.

1 HR and 3 Ks per game
But Tyler Wade is still here…  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/28/2021 9:56 pm : link
hooray.
if we are really going for it  
RasputinPrime : 7/28/2021 9:58 pm : link
we need to trade Wade to Japan.
fake baseball  
RasputinPrime : 7/28/2021 10:04 pm : link
coming right up.
The Yankees will send at least four prospects to the Rangers,  
GeofromNJ : 7/28/2021 10:05 pm : link
according to a report from ESPN's Jeff Passan: shortstop Josh Smith (No. 14-ranked Yanks prospect per MLB Pipeline); second baseman Ezequiel Duran (No. 15); second baseman/outfielder Trevor Hauver (No. 23); and right-hander Glenn Otto (No. 28). A source told Morosi that Hauver and Duran are in the deal. Passan reports that "others [are] involved, too."
Yankees Prospect Rankings - ( New Window )
Great  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 10:07 pm : link
Bonus Fake Cantos.
Allen sent up to bunt  
section125 : 7/28/2021 10:08 pm : link
and looks at two strikes...then gets HBP...
2-1 Good Guys.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 10:12 pm : link
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RE: 2-1 Good Guys.  
section125 : 7/28/2021 10:17 pm : link
In comment 15315862 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Damn I thought that was a DP when Judge hit it...

So Cash pulls a BS my pitcher is hurt to circumvent the 3 batter rule??
So who pitches the 9th  
rnargi : 7/28/2021 10:18 pm : link
?
Smith is 23 and Duran 22 in high A. They already have Solak, so they  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 10:19 pm : link
are trying to find the next Kinsler or Young.

I would be happy if we only traded those 4.
Err...  
rnargi : 7/28/2021 10:19 pm : link
10th?
3-1 now!  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 10:20 pm : link
Loving this.
RE: So who pitches the 9th  
section125 : 7/28/2021 10:21 pm : link
In comment 15315871 rnargi said:
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10th - Chapman
If the Yanks hadn’t shit their pants in Boston  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/28/2021 10:21 pm : link
they’d be on a nice little run now against good teams.
Lol...  
rnargi : 7/28/2021 10:23 pm : link
Another DP.
This team could hit into a double play  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/28/2021 10:23 pm : link
with the bases empty.
Lets lock this series up now, please.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 10:24 pm : link
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RE: If the Yanks hadn’t shit their pants in Boston  
section125 : 7/28/2021 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15315879 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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they’d be on a nice little run now against good teams.


haha - you post that and Torres promptly lines to 3rd and doubles up Judge....geez

Why he was not going to right field with those outside FBs I will never understand.
RE: This team could hit into a double play  
rnargi : 7/28/2021 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15315882 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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with the bases empty.


🤣🤣
Are you fuckin serious  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 10:26 pm : link
With that shit?
Chapman throwing 101 there.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 10:29 pm : link
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could see  
RasputinPrime : 7/28/2021 10:31 pm : link
Cruz walking this one off.
RE: Chapman throwing 101 there.  
section125 : 7/28/2021 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15315896 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Shit. Chapman starts hot, gets one and loses the plate...
Higgy!  
rnargi : 7/28/2021 10:33 pm : link
!
HIGGY!!!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 10:34 pm : link
.
safe  
RasputinPrime : 7/28/2021 10:34 pm : link
.
Kay is lost  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/28/2021 10:35 pm : link
Dammit  
rnargi : 7/28/2021 10:35 pm : link
...
How do you overturn that?  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 10:35 pm : link
Of course they did.
That is really close  
section125 : 7/28/2021 10:35 pm : link
on that tag....
RE: Dammit  
rnargi : 7/28/2021 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15315904 rnargi said:
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Got him
Chappy!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/28/2021 10:36 pm : link
One more.
NELSON SIT TF DOWN!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 10:36 pm : link
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RE: Kay is lost  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15315903 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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He really is. But in Big Heads defense, not being at the field is a real impediment to seeing what's going on.
RE: How do you overturn that?  
rnargi : 7/28/2021 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15315905 Bricktop said:
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Of course they did.


They had to have another angle. No way you could tell on the two they showed on replay
RE: Kay is lost  
MookGiants : 7/28/2021 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15315903 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I'm not a Kay fan, but they have to fucking stop with the announcers for away team announcing from their home park. It doesn't work. They screw so many things up. I have MLB extra innings and at this point when I'm watching non-Yankee games I make sure I watch on the home team channel because the away team production is a total shit show because they are watching the game on a monitor from sometimes 3k miles away
Every Time they come out  
section125 : 7/28/2021 10:38 pm : link
to talk with two outs, they give up a hit. Hope it changes here.
DJ fought  
RasputinPrime : 7/28/2021 10:38 pm : link
the donkey dome and won.

What a joke this POS stadium is.
HOLY SHIT!  
rnargi : 7/28/2021 10:38 pm : link
Every fucking night it's an adventure
Hahahahaha  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 10:38 pm : link
It's NEVER EVER EVER EVER FUCKIN EASY! But we'll take it!
BIG SERIES WIN!!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 10:39 pm : link
FUCK YEAH!!!
WTF!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/28/2021 10:39 pm : link
Game over despite the Yanks best efforts.
This ball park  
section125 : 7/28/2021 10:39 pm : link
sucks...MLB players having trouble following pop ups is bush league....
RE: RE: Kay is lost  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 10:40 pm : link
In comment 15315913 MookGiants said:
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I'm not a Kay fan, but they have to fucking stop with the announcers for away team announcing from their home park. It doesn't work. They screw so many things up. I have MLB extra innings and at this point when I'm watching non-Yankee games I make sure I watch on the home team channel because the away team production is a total shit show because they are watching the game on a monitor from sometimes 3k miles away


FINALLY! You're right about something. Great job! 😁
Missed in that was the  
section125 : 7/28/2021 10:41 pm : link
Yanks admitting they are working on the trade...
Chapman’s looking more like himself, though it’s always an adventure.  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2021 10:43 pm : link
They’ve been playing better overall for a while now, but for the bullpen meltdowns….
RE: Chapman’s looking more like himself, though it’s always an adventure.  
section125 : 7/28/2021 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15315927 bceagle05 said:
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They’ve been playing better overall for a while now, but for the bullpen meltdowns….


His velocity has been back up last couple times out - so he may have screwed up his mechanics. He had been down to 95/96.

FWIW, Green was better tonight too. You can tell when he is right as his FB is high in the zone. If he is continually down, he is off.
So Cashman is planning on  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 10:55 pm : link
bringing Gallo off the bench to sub Gardy when he needs a rest, right? That's really smart. Love it.
RE: So Cashman is planning on  
section125 : 7/28/2021 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15315942 Bricktop said:
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bringing Gallo off the bench to sub Gardy when he needs a rest, right? That's really smart. Love it.


Fuck that - Stanton 6'6" in LF, Gallo(or Callo) in CF 6'5" and Judge in RF 6'7" - try and hit it over their heads!
RE: RE: So Cashman is planning on  
Bricktop : 7/28/2021 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15315943 section125 said:
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bringing Gallo off the bench to sub Gardy when he needs a rest, right? That's really smart. Love it.



Fuck that - Stanton 6'6" in LF, Gallo(or Callo) in CF 6'5" and Judge in RF 6'7" - try and hit it over their heads!


You're not paying a five-tool player $1.8M to sit on the bench.
Glad he passed the test; game-winning RBI by him:  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 11:00 pm : link
Bryan Hoch
@BryanHoch
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Aaron Judge said on
@YESNetwork
that he was scratched from the lineup for "medical testing."
RE: RE: RE: So Cashman is planning on  
section125 : 7/28/2021 11:03 pm : link
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bringing Gallo off the bench to sub Gardy when he needs a rest, right? That's really smart. Love it.



Fuck that - Stanton 6'6" in LF, Gallo(or Callo) in CF 6'5" and Judge in RF 6'7" - try and hit it over their heads!



You're not paying a five-tool player $1.8M to sit on the bench.


It's Cashman's World and we are only allowed to ride it.

I was just getting to like Greg Allen in the lineup.
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Bricktop : 7/28/2021 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15315949 section125 said:
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bringing Gallo off the bench to sub Gardy when he needs a rest, right? That's really smart. Love it.



Fuck that - Stanton 6'6" in LF, Gallo(or Callo) in CF 6'5" and Judge in RF 6'7" - try and hit it over their heads!



You're not paying a five-tool player $1.8M to sit on the bench.



It's Cashman's World and we are only allowed to ride it.

I was just getting to like Greg Allen in the lineup.


At the very least Gardy is the new DH.
Doesn’t seem like a fit  
CowboyHaters : 7/28/2021 11:14 pm : link
other than he’s a lefty. Don’t the Yanks have enough HR hitters that strike out all the time?

LGM!
RE: Doesn’t seem like a fit  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 11:27 pm : link
In comment 15315957 CowboyHaters said:
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other than he’s a lefty. Don’t the Yanks have enough HR hitters that strike out all the time?

LGM!


You're a Mets fan. That's all that needs to be said.
RE: that is  
Matt M. : 7/28/2021 11:31 pm : link
In comment 15315779 RasputinPrime said:
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a boatload of hitting talent going back the other way. Otto we probably sold high on but gutting our entire 2B pool is a really odd move.

Love Gallo but really don't love the deal.
I'm not loving the deal. IT's a lot of HRs from the left side and good defense in CF. But, it will just be more Ks in the middle of the lineup. How is this going to get us over the hump in the postseason?
RE: RE: Doesn’t seem like a fit  
CowboyHaters : 7/28/2021 11:31 pm : link
In comment 15315963 Dave in Hoboken said:
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other than he’s a lefty. Don’t the Yanks have enough HR hitters that strike out all the time?

LGM!



You're a Mets fan. That's all that needs to be said.



Davey,

Settle down my friend, I’m not a fan of the Jets.
RE: RE: that is  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/28/2021 11:36 pm : link
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a boatload of hitting talent going back the other way. Otto we probably sold high on but gutting our entire 2B pool is a really odd move.

Love Gallo but really don't love the deal.

I'm not loving the deal. IT's a lot of HRs from the left side and good defense in CF. But, it will just be more Ks in the middle of the lineup. How is this going to get us over the hump in the postseason?


Gotta get to the postseason first and that’s not happening with the production (or lack thereof) in left and center.
RE: RE: RE: that is  
Matt M. : 7/28/2021 11:39 pm : link
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a boatload of hitting talent going back the other way. Otto we probably sold high on but gutting our entire 2B pool is a really odd move.

Love Gallo but really don't love the deal.

I'm not loving the deal. IT's a lot of HRs from the left side and good defense in CF. But, it will just be more Ks in the middle of the lineup. How is this going to get us over the hump in the postseason?



Gotta get to the postseason first and that’s not happening with the production (or lack thereof) in left and center.
Agreed, but sometimes, just don't make the deal. They gave away a haul of minor leaguers, a few of whom are decent and I would say they got a good, not great player back. In 2 days, they traded their best hitter in AAA at a position of need, a serviceable reliever, anothe reliever nobody will miss and a haul of minor leaguers (decent prospects). Their grand return for all of that? A G-d awful reliever and a big power bat with a good glove, but an awful lot of swings and misses.
Why are we annoyed at this deal?  
djm : 7/28/2021 11:42 pm : link
Gallo is a monstrous upgrade in this lineup. Warts and all he’s still basically the second best hitter on this team and he can play the field. If you’re annoyed at that we gave up ok fine but some of you act like this guy can’t hit. Everyone strikes out too much, he’s still a huge upgrade. I don’t get the negativity. And you don’t really think Gardner will start over Gallo do you? That’s a joke right?
RE: RE: RE: Doesn’t seem like a fit  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/28/2021 11:46 pm : link
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other than he’s a lefty. Don’t the Yanks have enough HR hitters that strike out all the time?

LGM!



You're a Mets fan. That's all that needs to be said.




Davey,

Settle down my friend, I’m not a fan of the Jets.


Sure, you aren't.
RE: Why are we annoyed at this deal?  
Matt M. : 7/29/2021 12:00 am : link
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Gallo is a monstrous upgrade in this lineup. Warts and all he’s still basically the second best hitter on this team and he can play the field. If you’re annoyed at that we gave up ok fine but some of you act like this guy can’t hit. Everyone strikes out too much, he’s still a huge upgrade. I don’t get the negativity. And you don’t really think Gardner will start over Gallo do you? That’s a joke right?
The fact that a .220 hitter is a huge upgrade is more telling of the rest of the lineup. I am not pissed at getting him, but I think they overpaid.

Personally, for what they gave up, I'd be fine taking my chances with the young guys or going after someone else.
RE: RE: Why are we annoyed at this deal?  
section125 : 7/29/2021 6:05 am : link
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Gallo is a monstrous upgrade in this lineup. Warts and all he’s still basically the second best hitter on this team and he can play the field. If you’re annoyed at that we gave up ok fine but some of you act like this guy can’t hit. Everyone strikes out too much, he’s still a huge upgrade. I don’t get the negativity. And you don’t really think Gardner will start over Gallo do you? That’s a joke right?

The fact that a .220 hitter is a huge upgrade is more telling of the rest of the lineup. I am not pissed at getting him, but I think they overpaid.

Personally, for what they gave up, I'd be fine taking my chances with the young guys or going after someone else.


The guy is at 3.4 WAR and 139 wRC+ right now. That is 2nd to Judge. He is a good OF. He replaces Gardy who is a 0.3 WAR and 77 wRC+...that is a huge upgrade. And he is doing that on a crappy team without protection. He probably moves Odor out of the 3 hole and as well as Odor has done, he is not a #3 hitter - upgrade and real protection for Judge.

The Rays just got 41 year old Nelson Cruz who cannot play the field who has a similar wRC+.

Prospects are prospects. They would not have been with the Yanks MLB team anytime soon. Look how long we have waited for Florial and he may or may not make the big team permanently and he was the #1 prospect. I hope Florial replaces Gardy next spring.


As for the Mets, I hope they do well and win the NLE and the NL. However, they are 1 game better than the Yanks right now. One game and their 2nd place team is at .500.
Adjustments to the deal  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/29/2021 7:11 am : link
According to both Passan and Curry.

Yanks look to be getting Gallo along with LHP Joely Rodriguez (no Joey King as previously reported).

The prospect package is down to 4; Josh Smith, Trevor Hauver, Glenn Otto, and Ezequiel Duran (No Pereira or Vazquez as previously reported).
RE: Adjustments to the deal  
section125 : 7/29/2021 7:14 am : link
In comment 15316031 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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According to both Passan and Curry.

Yanks look to be getting Gallo along with LHP Joely Rodriguez (no Joey King as previously reported).

The prospect package is down to 4; Josh Smith, Trevor Hauver, Glenn Otto, and Ezequiel Duran (No Pereira or Vazquez as previously reported).


King looked like a good pick up, Rodriguez, not so much.
meh on the deal for me. Gallo is another strikeout machine  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2021 7:34 am : link
who can be pitched to when it counts. Other than that he's lefty, more of the same. 125 Ks in 388 plate appearances. He'll fit right in with Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Torres.
Yankees still working on other deals  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 8:04 am : link
including story
RE: Yankees still working on other deals  
section125 : 7/29/2021 8:09 am : link
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including story


Nope, no Story - they already got their CF in Gallo! Maybe Story can catch.
I like the deal  
Stu11 : 7/29/2021 8:11 am : link
Gallo is a good all around player. Yes I'd like a better contact guy, but he's what the MLB is now for better or worse. As for the prospects, I know some of you in here obsess on them, but frankly I've lost all faith in this organization to develop top notch players. Besides Judge who on this roster has been developed by us that you would have a hard time trading right now? Monty? Please. Maybe Loaisiga but he's hardly untouchable. Gleyber doesn't count he was mainly a Cubs prospect. Honestly at this point besides maybe Dominguez I'd deal anyone.
Is it Yerry Rodriguez that is in the deal??  
Rick in Dallas : 7/29/2021 8:13 am : link
If so I have watched him pitch this year at Frisco Double AA Roughriders. I am a usher for the Roughriders.
Rodriguez is a pretty good pitching prospect who didn't get much run support.13 starts a 1.24 WHIP with 52 SO's in 45 innings.2.98 ERA.
Rangers paying most of  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2021 8:26 am : link
Gallo's salary, leaves room for Yankees to make more moves
I read  
MadPlaid : 7/29/2021 8:28 am : link
That part of the motivation to trade these particular prospects was the fact that a few of them had reached the point where the Yankees would have to put them on the 40 man roster to protect them from the Rule 5 Draft. Considering that most are only at High A ball level, it seems prudent to deal them now. It was going to be a while before they even sniffed the big leagues, and the Yankees got something instead of nothing.

Also, to get Gallo, they didn’t give up any top prospects. That, IMO, is the best thing about this deal.
RE: I read  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2021 8:35 am : link
In comment 15316055 MadPlaid said:
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That part of the motivation to trade these particular prospects was the fact that a few of them had reached the point where the Yankees would have to put them on the 40 man roster to protect them from the Rule 5 Draft. Considering that most are only at High A ball level, it seems prudent to deal them now. It was going to be a while before they even sniffed the big leagues, and the Yankees got something instead of nothing.

Also, to get Gallo, they didn’t give up any top prospects. That, IMO, is the best thing about this deal.


correct. before complaining about the haul, one has to seriously consider how many of these guys would realistically have been a fit for the 40-man after this season.

For all of the twitter mouth-breathers who can't stop repeating the trope that the yankees minors league system is weak, this trade is a testament to the depth of the talent there. Not a ton of blue-chippers in the org (although a few players really surging), but there is quality talent that runs deep.
Spot on MadPlaid  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/29/2021 9:17 am : link
The rumored package includes 2 guys who would have to be placed on the 40 man roster this offseason, or we would risk losing them for nothing in the Rule 5 draft. Otto was already exposed in last year's rule 5 draft, and went unselected and Duran would have had to be added this year.

Also, we're dealing from our big depth in middle IF prospects (Smith 2B/SS, Hauver 2B/corner OF, Duran 2B), while keeping the prospects that the organization believes still has the highest upside at those same positions (Volpe SS, Oswald Peraza SS, Alexander Vargas SS, and new 1st rounder Trey Sweeney SS). Also, ignoring the fact that Gleyber is SS/2B at only 24 years old still.

The Yanks always seem to have guys selected in the Rule 5, and the crunch as always is real this year. Looking at some other players who would need to be protected, or risk losing for nothing:
- Oswaldo Cabrera (middle IF)
- Brandon Lockridge (OF)
- Josh Breaux (C)
- Randy Vazquez (SP)
- Everson Pereira (OF)
- Matt Sauer (SP)

Just a small sampling of guys that we can see moved in deals due to Rule 5.
RE: Spot on MadPlaid  
section125 : 7/29/2021 9:22 am : link
In comment 15316093 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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The rumored package includes 2 guys who would have to be placed on the 40 man roster this offseason, or we would risk losing them for nothing in the Rule 5 draft. Otto was already exposed in last year's rule 5 draft, and went unselected and Duran would have had to be added this year.

Also, we're dealing from our big depth in middle IF prospects (Smith 2B/SS, Hauver 2B/corner OF, Duran 2B), while keeping the prospects that the organization believes still has the highest upside at those same positions (Volpe SS, Oswald Peraza SS, Alexander Vargas SS, and new 1st rounder Trey Sweeney SS). Also, ignoring the fact that Gleyber is SS/2B at only 24 years old still.

The Yanks always seem to have guys selected in the Rule 5, and the crunch as always is real this year. Looking at some other players who would need to be protected, or risk losing for nothing:
- Oswaldo Cabrera (middle IF)
- Brandon Lockridge (OF)
- Josh Breaux (C)
- Randy Vazquez (SP)
- Everson Pereira (OF)
- Matt Sauer (SP)

Just a small sampling of guys that we can see moved in deals due to Rule 5.


Agreed and thanks for the list of the Rule 5 eligible guys. If they have not made it in 5 years(or 4 if over 18 at signing), they probably are not likely to make it with the Yanks within the next 6 months.
The remaining Rule 5 guys  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2021 9:37 am : link
Would be tough to hide on an MLB roster. Lockridge maybe, but he’s probably a 4th OF. I like Breaux the most of them for upside but he’s not MLB ready. Vasquez might be able to stick in relief right now, but I doubt Sauer could.
RE: The remaining Rule 5 guys  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/29/2021 9:42 am : link
In comment 15316138 Dunedin81 said:
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Would be tough to hide on an MLB roster. Lockridge maybe, but he’s probably a 4th OF. I like Breaux the most of them for upside but he’s not MLB ready. Vasquez might be able to stick in relief right now, but I doubt Sauer could.


Agreed there. Not with a team that is going to consistently be going for it.

Of that bunch I think you called out the two I'd love to try and hold onto to see what we have, Lockridge and Breaux. Lockridge has been mashing since his promotion to Double A (.999 OPS, granted it's only been 61 PA's), and Breaux, who has the country power, but is still in High A, I imagine a promotion should be coming for him, though he's mired in a slump now.
Pereira might have the highest ceiling  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2021 9:46 am : link
He did as much as anyone to torpedo Yankee baseball on Staten Island
Dunedin  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/29/2021 10:08 am : link
Forgive me, Pereira is my #1 hold. I had mentioned him above in the thread when he was announced in the original trade as the one that would sting the most (for me) if dealt. While he's the farthest away, I agree with you that his ceiling is the highest. He's having a great start so far in Tampa, and I'd think a move to Tampa is not far off given his status.
RE: The remaining Rule 5 guys  
TheMick7 : 7/29/2021 10:43 am : link
In comment 15316138 Dunedin81 said:
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Would be tough to hide on an MLB roster. Lockridge maybe, but he’s probably a 4th OF. I like Breaux the most of them for upside but he’s not MLB ready. Vasquez might be able to stick in relief right now, but I doubt Sauer could.


But,it will depend om how much the Yankees value each & also,there will be teams that will take a player & keep him on the roster all season.We saw that with Luis Torrens & the Padres! I agree Pereira would be my #1 & I've heard some very good things about Vasquez!
FWIW  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 10:44 am : link
Seidler (BP) said he had Duran #4, Otto #14, Smith #9 in the Yankees system pre-trade not including 2021 draft picks.
RE: FWIW  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2021 10:51 am : link
In comment 15316218 DanMetroMan said:
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Seidler (BP) said he had Duran #4, Otto #14, Smith #9 in the Yankees system pre-trade not including 2021 draft picks.


Duran is a little high for me. Smith isn’t, and Otto isn’t either. Otto had some of the best K numbers in the minors. Duran has a weird offensive profile. If it works cool, but it hasn’t all that often before.
So has the deal been finalized? Just 4 prospects and Rangers are  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 11:40 am : link
paying Gallo's salary?

Maybe I'll stop complaining about Cashman for a couple of days.

Think they will sign him long term?
RE: So has the deal been finalized? Just 4 prospects and Rangers are  
Dankbeerman : 7/29/2021 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15316301 Jim in Hoboken said:
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paying Gallo's salary?

Maybe I'll stop complaining about Cashman for a couple of days.

Think they will sign him long term?


According to thw post Texas is paying the salaries for both players.

So the space created by the cessa/wilson deal is still in play for another move
Yankees just posted on Facebook  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/29/2021 12:14 pm : link
The deal is done. Yanks get Callo and Joely Rodriguiz. Don'y know who they gave up.
RE: RE: Adjustments to the deal  
Carson53 : 7/29/2021 12:39 pm : link
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According to both Passan and Curry.

Yanks look to be getting Gallo along with LHP Joely Rodriguez (no Joey King as previously reported).

The prospect package is down to 4; Josh Smith, Trevor Hauver, Glenn Otto, and Ezequiel Duran (No Pereira or Vazquez as previously reported).



King looked like a good pick up, Rodriguez, not so much.
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It makes the deal more palatable, 4 prospects instead of 6.
Smith and Otto were top 25 prospects in MLB Pipeline as well. So the Yanks took a lesser RP from the Rangers.
Now if you could have got Gallo for the rest of this year, and 2 more seasons of team control, then I think
6 prospects becomes more palatable. As it is, one more season of team control.
* Top 25 prospects  
Carson53 : 7/29/2021 12:45 pm : link
in the Yankees system, just to clarify.
Have to correct myself  
Carson53 : 7/29/2021 12:57 pm : link
In the deal, the Rangers received: shortstop Josh Smith (Yankees' No. 14 prospect per MLB Pipeline); second baseman Ezequiel Duran (No. 15); second baseman/outfielder Trevor Hauver (No. 23); and right-hander Glenn Otto (No. 28).

www.mlb.com/yankees/news/joey-gallo-yankees-trade
RE: Have to correct myself  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 12:59 pm : link
In comment 15316418 Carson53 said:
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In the deal, the Rangers received: shortstop Josh Smith (Yankees' No. 14 prospect per MLB Pipeline); second baseman Ezequiel Duran (No. 15); second baseman/outfielder Trevor Hauver (No. 23); and right-hander Glenn Otto (No. 28).

www.mlb.com/yankees/news/joey-gallo-yankees-trade


Both Jim Callis (BA) and Jarrett Seidler (BP) have noted these rankings are severely out of date and nowhere near where they would stand today.
Noted  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:01 pm : link
above

"Seidler (BP) said he had Duran #4, Otto #14, Smith #9 in the Yankees system pre-trade not including 2021 draft picks."

Sorry meant to say Callis (MLB)

Jim Callis
@jimcallisMLB
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That's the other thing. With the new calendar with the @MLBDraft
pushed to mid-July, we haven't done our midseason update & aren't including 2021 draftees yet. So the current rankings are from before the season, and we're slotting in the guys who changed teams & the replacements.


JJ Cooper with similar

JJ Cooper
@jjcoop36
I am trying to make sure everyone understands that the Yankees did trade away Top 10 Prospects in this deal. If you're argument is you don't like Duran/Smith and have info, let's discuss. If it's because you cite preseason rankings (ours included) that's outdated info.
RE: RE: Have to correct myself  
section125 : 7/29/2021 1:04 pm : link
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In the deal, the Rangers received: shortstop Josh Smith (Yankees' No. 14 prospect per MLB Pipeline); second baseman Ezequiel Duran (No. 15); second baseman/outfielder Trevor Hauver (No. 23); and right-hander Glenn Otto (No. 28).

www.mlb.com/yankees/news/joey-gallo-yankees-trade



Both Jim Callis (BA) and Jarrett Seidler (BP) have noted these rankings are severely out of date and nowhere near where they would stand today.


Dan, all these rankings are subjective and not that far off from one another. Look where Deivi Garcia has been ranked and Florial. They float and move. The players they are giving up are good prospects, yes. In the end, all they are is prospects. Most prospects are just trade bait and pieces(that is cruel sounding).
Let us just hope Gallo is as good or better than they say.
Gallo  
Stan in LA : 7/29/2021 1:09 pm : link
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“I would consider myself as defensive-first player, honestly,” the reigning American League right field Gold Glove winner said. “Numbers-wise, I’m higher up there (on defense) than I am hitting. I can hit homers and whatnot, but I take pride in being able to change the game defensively. I’ve just never been associated as that kind of player so it makes me proud that I can be that kind of player.”

The numbers back him up. Entering Tuesday night’s game, Gallo led all right fielders in Outs Above Average, and it wasn’t particularly close.

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RE: RE: RE: Have to correct myself  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:13 pm : link
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In the deal, the Rangers received: shortstop Josh Smith (Yankees' No. 14 prospect per MLB Pipeline); second baseman Ezequiel Duran (No. 15); second baseman/outfielder Trevor Hauver (No. 23); and right-hander Glenn Otto (No. 28).

www.mlb.com/yankees/news/joey-gallo-yankees-trade



Both Jim Callis (BA) and Jarrett Seidler (BP) have noted these rankings are severely out of date and nowhere near where they would stand today.



Dan, all these rankings are subjective and not that far off from one another. Look where Deivi Garcia has been ranked and Florial. They float and move. The players they are giving up are good prospects, yes. In the end, all they are is prospects. Most prospects are just trade bait and pieces(that is cruel sounding).
Let us just hope Gallo is as good or better than they say.


Of course they are subjective but with no 2020 season pre-season rankings were especially "poor" and inaccurate. The pre-season rankings would have you believe the Yankees gave up very little, write ups on the trade from those in the know would have you feeling quite differently
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"I am not Jerry Gallo", I am Jerry Callo!! C-A-L-L-O  
MartyNJ1969 : 7/29/2021 1:13 pm : link
it had to be said
These are Brian Cashman prospects.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:17 pm : link
How many of them over recent years have turned into what we were hoping? Not many. I don't care what some prospect geek on Twitter has these guys ranked.
RE: These are Brian Cashman prospects.  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15316441 Dave in Hoboken said:
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How many of them over recent years have turned into what we were hoping? Not many. I don't care what some prospect geek on Twitter has these guys ranked.


"Prospect Geek" Kevin Goldstein worked in the Astros FO in player development. I think he knows talent.
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DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:19 pm : link
"FanGraphs hires former Astros scouting director Kevin Goldstein"

But yeah "prospect geek" with no professional insight to give or sources within baseball given his previous role.
RE: RE: These are Brian Cashman prospects.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:19 pm : link
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How many of them over recent years have turned into what we were hoping? Not many. I don't care what some prospect geek on Twitter has these guys ranked.



"Prospect Geek" Kevin Goldstein worked in the Astros FO in player development. I think he knows talent.


He worked in the Astro's FO? Well, holy shit. Stop the presses. Why didn't the Yankees take this guys' opinions into consideration before the trade?!
RE: .  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15316445 DanMetroMan said:
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"FanGraphs hires former Astros scouting director Kevin Goldstein"

But yeah "prospect geek" with no professional insight to give or sources within baseball given his previous role.


What makes you think any of us care about his opinion, though? Serious question.
RE: These are Brian Cashman prospects.  
Heisenberg : 7/29/2021 1:21 pm : link
In comment 15316441 Dave in Hoboken said:
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How many of them over recent years have turned into what we were hoping? Not many. I don't care what some prospect geek on Twitter has these guys ranked.


James Kaprielian says hello from Oakland. But hey, we got Sonny Gray, so totally worth it.
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DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:22 pm : link
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"FanGraphs hires former Astros scouting director Kevin Goldstein"

But yeah "prospect geek" with no professional insight to give or sources within baseball given his previous role.



What makes you think any of us care about his opinion, though? Serious question.


Very odd question. You don't read analyses from professionals? Odd, I see Gil Brandt cited ad nausea on this very site. "Any of us" as if you speak for all fans lol.
RE: RE: These are Brian Cashman prospects.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:23 pm : link
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How many of them over recent years have turned into what we were hoping? Not many. I don't care what some prospect geek on Twitter has these guys ranked.



James Kaprielian says hello from Oakland. But hey, we got Sonny Gray, so totally worth it.


Great response. One guy. *slow clap*
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Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:23 pm : link
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"FanGraphs hires former Astros scouting director Kevin Goldstein"

But yeah "prospect geek" with no professional insight to give or sources within baseball given his previous role.



What makes you think any of us care about his opinion, though? Serious question.



Very odd question. You don't read analyses from professionals? Odd, I see Gil Brandt cited ad nausea on this very site. "Any of us" as if you speak for all fans lol.


Why I would I care what he thinks about this particular trade, though?
Speaking  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:23 pm : link
for myself (and not an entire fanbase) when moves, draft picks, trades, signings are made I appreciate the opinions of people who actually work in the field and have experience evaluating talent. If you don't, that's great for you.
RE: Speaking  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15316455 DanMetroMan said:
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for myself (and not an entire fanbase) when moves, draft picks, trades, signings are made I appreciate the opinions of people who actually work in the field and have experience evaluating talent. If you don't, that's great for you.


I wonder how many Yankee fans care about this one guy's opinion on this particular trade.
Because  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:24 pm : link
he's employed by a respected outfit to give his professional opinion (that comes from a scouting background) and has connections/communications with teams/scouts/other players? I'm genuinely confused as to why you wouldn't understand interest in what people like Goldstein say. Truly.
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DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:25 pm : link
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for myself (and not an entire fanbase) when moves, draft picks, trades, signings are made I appreciate the opinions of people who actually work in the field and have experience evaluating talent. If you don't, that's great for you.



I wonder how many Yankee fans care about this one guy's opinion on this particular trade.


Presumably MANY Yankee fans are reading his take, Keith Law's take etc. I think you're actually in the minority with complete disinterest in what "experts" feel the Yankees gave up or with their opinions on future trades.
RE: Because  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15316459 DanMetroMan said:
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he's employed by a respected outfit to give his professional opinion (that comes from a scouting background) and has connections/communications with teams/scouts/other players? I'm genuinely confused as to why you wouldn't understand interest in what people like Goldstein say. Truly.


I don't see anyone in here caring about this guy's opinion, Dan..no offense.
RE: RE: Because  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:27 pm : link
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he's employed by a respected outfit to give his professional opinion (that comes from a scouting background) and has connections/communications with teams/scouts/other players? I'm genuinely confused as to why you wouldn't understand interest in what people like Goldstein say. Truly.



I don't see anyone in here caring about this guy's opinion, Dan..no offense.


So your feeling is a large contingent of Yankee fans didn't read articles assessing the talent the Yankees gave up? We will have to agree to disagree.
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Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:28 pm : link
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he's employed by a respected outfit to give his professional opinion (that comes from a scouting background) and has connections/communications with teams/scouts/other players? I'm genuinely confused as to why you wouldn't understand interest in what people like Goldstein say. Truly.



I don't see anyone in here caring about this guy's opinion, Dan..no offense.



So your feeling is a large contingent of Yankee fans didn't read articles assessing the talent the Yankees gave up? We will have to agree to disagree.


That's not what I said at all. Who knows if they did. It certainly doesn't seem like anyone here cares about that guy's opinion, though.
If  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:28 pm : link
the Yankees make a major trade FOR prospects, the first thing most fans will do is read the opinions of well regarded prospect writers including Kevin Goldstein who again, until very recently was a major league scouting director.
Not thrilled for all the Yankees gave up for Gallo  
Giantfan21 : 7/29/2021 1:29 pm : link
They gave up a lot to add to a very flawed team for a player who only has 1.5 years left on his deal and Gallo is the type of player who Yankees have more the enough of .

With that being said, He does Walk a lot, doesn't hit into DP ,is left handed , and is very good defensively.

This team especially under Cashman is never going to rebuild so these are the type of moves to expect . At least they kept Volpe and Peraza ( for now ) because I don't think I could handle trading Volpe unless it's for Trout or Ohtani
This  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:30 pm : link
is a boring (and confusing) conversation. Nobody on here "cares" what the analysis is. Got it.
Cole  
RasputinPrime : 7/29/2021 1:30 pm : link
gives up 4 runs in the first. Meadows really has his number.

*le sigh*
RE: If  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15316471 DanMetroMan said:
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the Yankees make a major trade FOR prospects, the first thing most fans will do is read the opinions of well regarded prospect writers including Kevin Goldstein who again, until very recently was a major league scouting director.


That's all well and good. But I don't see anyone here caring about this guy's opinion on this trade. Because no one cares..
You  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:31 pm : link
sound like a real peach. Have a good one.
Dan  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2021 1:32 pm : link
why would you waste this many minutes of your life back and forth with Dave in Hoboken of all people?

the guy doesn't have a clue.
You sound alittle angry for no reason.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:32 pm : link
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RE: Dan  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15316482 bigbluehoya said:
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why would you waste this many minutes of your life back and forth with Dave in Hoboken of all people?

the guy doesn't have a clue.


I'm sorry. Who are you?
I care  
Kyle in NY : 7/29/2021 1:33 pm : link
Thanks, Dan
Kiermaier  
RasputinPrime : 7/29/2021 1:33 pm : link
almost took him deep.

Some wild inconsistency from start to start. Can't hang that on stickum.
dweebs.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:34 pm : link
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RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15316482 bigbluehoya said:
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why would you waste this many minutes of your life back and forth with Dave in Hoboken of all people?

the guy doesn't have a clue.


I honestly never really paid attention to him (not insulting the guy) he just never stood out. Had no idea he had a reputation. FWIW Goldstein in no way was critical of the Yankees trade he essentially said both sides did well and the "original" trade package (2 prospects were removed) was stonger. I wasn't trying to rile up some anti-Yankee debate. I'm a huge Gallo fan and I think they made a good move (especially if they look to keep him). I personally like to read what "respected" people in the scouting industry of any sport have to say and then I make my own judgements.
RE: dweebs.  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2021 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15316489 Dave in Hoboken said:
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but why would we care about what you have to say on this particular thread?

I don't see anyone caring.

weird.
Dave  
Kyle in NY : 7/29/2021 1:37 pm : link
with all due respect, grow up. Tired of you derailing Giants and Yankees threads with ridiculous arguments. There was literally zero reason for you to give Dan a hard time for sharing that information. I've tried encouraging you to stop in the past but at some point the pattern is what it is.
RE: RE: dweebs.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15316495 bigbluehoya said:
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but why would we care about what you have to say on this particular thread?

I don't see anyone caring.

weird.


You mentioned me earlier, and are now replying to this post of mine.

I'd say you care.
RE: RE: Dan  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2021 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15316492 DanMetroMan said:
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why would you waste this many minutes of your life back and forth with Dave in Hoboken of all people?

the guy doesn't have a clue.



I honestly never really paid attention to him (not insulting the guy) he just never stood out. Had no idea he had a reputation. FWIW Goldstein in no way was critical of the Yankees trade he essentially said both sides did well and the "original" trade package (2 prospects were removed) was stonger. I wasn't trying to rile up some anti-Yankee debate. I'm a huge Gallo fan and I think they made a good move (especially if they look to keep him). I personally like to read what "respected" people in the scouting industry of any sport have to say and then I make my own judgements.


they gave up some good stuff. They got a good player back with a year of control. Would have been furious giving up that much for a rental.

Appreciate you sharing it.

I don't think anyone with their head screwed on straight thought that you were stirring the pot in any sort of negative way.
RE: Dave  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15316497 Kyle in NY said:
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with all due respect, grow up. Tired of you derailing Giants and Yankees threads with ridiculous arguments. There was literally zero reason for you to give Dan a hard time for sharing that information. I've tried encouraging you to stop in the past but at some point the pattern is what it is.


Kyle, no offense. But I honestly don't care what your opinion is of me as a poster. It's a forum. If you don't like me or my posts, ignore them. Pretty simple.
fellas  
RasputinPrime : 7/29/2021 1:40 pm : link
RE: RE: Dave  
bigbluehoya : 7/29/2021 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15316506 Dave in Hoboken said:
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with all due respect, grow up. Tired of you derailing Giants and Yankees threads with ridiculous arguments. There was literally zero reason for you to give Dan a hard time for sharing that information. I've tried encouraging you to stop in the past but at some point the pattern is what it is.



Kyle, no offense. But I honestly don't care what your opinion is of me as a poster. It's a forum. If you don't like me or my posts, ignore them. Pretty simple.


could I change your mind thought if I told you that there was literally nobody who found these discussions better as a result of your participation?

doubtful, but worth a shot.
Yes,  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/29/2021 1:41 pm : link
please DMM, continue. Odd stance to not care about what prospect evaluators/experts that do it for a living, have to say about the prospects your team is giving up in a deal since most of us have never seen them play.
RE: RE: RE: Dave  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15316510 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 15316497 Kyle in NY said:


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with all due respect, grow up. Tired of you derailing Giants and Yankees threads with ridiculous arguments. There was literally zero reason for you to give Dan a hard time for sharing that information. I've tried encouraging you to stop in the past but at some point the pattern is what it is.



Kyle, no offense. But I honestly don't care what your opinion is of me as a poster. It's a forum. If you don't like me or my posts, ignore them. Pretty simple.



could I change your mind thought if I told you that there was literally nobody who found these discussions better as a result of your participation?

doubtful, but worth a shot.


Nope. It's a forum. Again, I ask, who even are you?
DMM..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2021 1:47 pm : link
almost always provides useful information to read. And it is usually factual or passing along articles from others that aren't clouded by his own opinions.

Very good stuff.
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Heisenberg : 7/29/2021 1:47 pm : link
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RE: ..  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15316520 Heisenberg said:
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That's your life. Sounds exciting.
Tauchman was DFA'd by the Giants:  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:53 pm : link

SFGiants
@SFGiants
· 11m
ROSTER MOVES: IF Brandon Crawford reinstated from the 10-day Injured List.

RHP Aaron Sanchez returned from his rehab assignment and reinstated from the 60-day Injured List.

RHP John Brebbia optioned to Triple-A Sacramento.

OF Mike Tauchman designated for assignment.
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Luke Voit drawing interest in trade talks per Curry:  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2021 1:54 pm : link

Jack Curry
@JackCurryYES
· 7m
Luke Voit has drawn interest in trade discussions the Yankees are having with multiple teams. Voit is on the verge of returning from the IL. Led the majors with 22 HRs last season, but has been limited to 29 games this season. #yankees
Link - ( New Window )
Reading  
mitch300 : 7/29/2021 2:04 pm : link
All the post regarding this trade,people have to realize you need to give to get. That what happens in trades. Did the Yankees give up the next Tatis or a Refsnyder. We won’t know for a few years. It is what it is.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Have to correct myself  
section125 : 7/29/2021 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15316434 DanMetroMan said:
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In the deal, the Rangers received: shortstop Josh Smith (Yankees' No. 14 prospect per MLB Pipeline); second baseman Ezequiel Duran (No. 15); second baseman/outfielder Trevor Hauver (No. 23); and right-hander Glenn Otto (No. 28).

www.mlb.com/yankees/news/joey-gallo-yankees-trade



Both Jim Callis (BA) and Jarrett Seidler (BP) have noted these rankings are severely out of date and nowhere near where they would stand today.



Dan, all these rankings are subjective and not that far off from one another. Look where Deivi Garcia has been ranked and Florial. They float and move. The players they are giving up are good prospects, yes. In the end, all they are is prospects. Most prospects are just trade bait and pieces(that is cruel sounding).
Let us just hope Gallo is as good or better than they say.



Of course they are subjective but with no 2020 season pre-season rankings were especially "poor" and inaccurate. The pre-season rankings would have you believe the Yankees gave up very little, write ups on the trade from those in the know would have you feeling quite differently Link - ( New Window )


Wow, went out to the store and the idiocy shit hit the fan..

Now back to the rankings, good point on there being no last year. However, the guys they gave up have good rankings either year. Rangers would not be giving up a good MLB player for trash. I think the real point is it is highly unlikely any of these guys make the big team before needing to be on the 40 man roster. The fact that the Rangers are also eating salary means they needed the pot sweetened to bite that apple.

From what I have seen the top 40ish guys are ranked nearly the same by the different agencies and then it gets lose after 50 or so. I also see that previous years and trades have shown the rankings do not necessarily lead to a player making the big time as a consistent starter - see Garcia and Florial. Whitlock looks to be one that bucks the trend and I do not know where he was ranked.
Trading Voit  
Kyle in NY : 7/29/2021 2:17 pm : link
makes a lot of sense. Last winter was probably the time to cash in when his value was greatest, but it is what it is. If they make a move for a SS with Gleyber back to 2B they need 1B for DJ. Voit's a bit redundant in this lineup, will be 30 and is frequently battling injuries, due for a raise in arbitration. Not shocked to see his name come up, just curious where his value is now.
RE: Trading Voit  
section125 : 7/29/2021 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15316561 Kyle in NY said:
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makes a lot of sense. Last winter was probably the time to cash in when his value was greatest, but it is what it is. If they make a move for a SS with Gleyber back to 2B they need 1B for DJ. Voit's a bit redundant in this lineup, will be 30 and is frequently battling injuries, due for a raise in arbitration. Not shocked to see his name come up, just curious where his value is now.


Good question on his value. He still has power and a high OBP(well did). He is the obvious choice to be moved to make room. DJLM is better in all aspects except power. The Yanks have enough power without Voit, whom I like a lot.
RE: Trading Voit  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2021 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15316561 Kyle in NY said:
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makes a lot of sense. Last winter was probably the time to cash in when his value was greatest, but it is what it is. If they make a move for a SS with Gleyber back to 2B they need 1B for DJ. Voit's a bit redundant in this lineup, will be 30 and is frequently battling injuries, due for a raise in arbitration. Not shocked to see his name come up, just curious where his value is now.


agree completely. over rated and always hurt.
RE: Tauchman was DFA'd by the Giants:  
Stan in LA : 7/29/2021 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15316534 Dave in Hoboken said:
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SFGiants
@SFGiants
· 11m
ROSTER MOVES: IF Brandon Crawford reinstated from the 10-day Injured List.

RHP Aaron Sanchez returned from his rehab assignment and reinstated from the 60-day Injured List.

RHP John Brebbia optioned to Triple-A Sacramento.

OF Mike Tauchman designated for assignment. Link - ( New Window )


Can't be!!! I read he was destroying the National League.
DMM is a fair poster  
Stan in LA : 7/29/2021 2:32 pm : link
Takes a lot of heat from Met fans when he brings them down to earth when the Mets make a move.
Voit has no value by himself  
arniefez : 7/29/2021 2:33 pm : link
It would be just a dump to get him out of the way or part of a package.
A few points  
Mike from SI : 7/29/2021 2:45 pm : link
1. DMM is a great poster and always welcome on Yankees threads.

2. Although I agree with DMM about wanting to hear what the analysts say, interestingly, my friends who work in sports say we (the public) give their opinions too much weight. (My counterargument is: It's the best we have since we don't have the same front office insights you do.)

3. Is anyone worried about the Cole / sticky stuff effect? Or am I being paranoid?
RE: A few points  
mitch300 : 7/29/2021 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15316594 Mike from SI said:
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1. DMM is a great poster and always welcome on Yankees threads.

2. Although I agree with DMM about wanting to hear what the analysts say, interestingly, my friends who work in sports say we (the public) give their opinions too much weight. (My counterargument is: It's the best we have since we don't have the same front office insights you do.)

3. Is anyone worried about the Cole / sticky stuff effect? Or am I being paranoid?

Cole had a great performance against the Astros post sticky stuff. He had a bad 1st inning. Has been very good since.
Can somebody explain why Brett Gardner is still on this team  
Giantfan21 : 7/29/2021 3:06 pm : link
let a lone plays every day ?
I don't understand why out of all years , Cashman decided THIS  
Giantfan21 : 7/29/2021 3:16 pm : link
is the team to go for it all with Gallo, and now reports of them looking into Schwarber and Story. Other then trying to save his job for how poor he has done the last 2 years why would you go all in with such a flawed roster ?

You never want to have a GM who is trying to save his job running your team . Cashman is responsible for this team being mediocre with all these resources he sure as hell ain't going to fix it. However, he will blow all the depth of the farm system to try to squeeze into the WC and lose in the WC game or the 1st round
So, making the ALCS in 2019  
bwitz : 7/29/2021 3:31 pm : link
And ALDS in 2020 is doing a ‘poor job’?

Ok. Got it.
RE: So, making the ALCS in 2019  
Giantfan21 : 7/29/2021 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15316648 bwitz said:
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And ALDS in 2020 is doing a ‘poor job’?

Ok. Got it.


Having the 2nd highest in payroll in baseball and convincing your fans that the playoffs are a crapshoot so they are satisfied with just making it instead of the truth that the team is flawed and gets exposed in the playoffs, is the biggest con job i have ever seen . Congrats for falling for it.

Give another GM a $210m Payroll , the resources Cashman has been given in regards to the international spending sprees, putting his people in place in key spots in the organization no matter the cost , and tell me they would still have a job winning the division once in in the last decade while your arch nemesis won a WS, rebuilt and already overlapped you, and a team with a fraction of the payroll is better then you every year
I haven’t bought into anything.  
bwitz : 7/29/2021 4:42 pm : link
Facts are facts. They’ve missed the playoffs twice since Cashman’s been the GM and have never had a losing season. You and I may not like the outcome of them all but, remaining competitive on a consistent basis and making the playoffs is hardly doing a ‘poor job’. Hell, this team was a game away from the World Series in 2017 and two in 2019.

No fan wants to settle for just making it to the playoffs, I get that. But to win it all, you obviously have to make it there first. So, doing that is a hell of a lot more enjoyable than sitting there as a fan of a team they know isn’t going anywhere and, that’s what some of these criticisms of the Yankees look like recently. I’m not saying Cashman’s infallible; he’s definitely made his share of mistakes. I’m just saying it’s not all this doom and gloom that it’s being made out to be.
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DanMetroMan : 7/29/2021 5:46 pm : link
Yankees prospect Everson Pereira (part of the original Gallo deal) has been pulled from his game today... Hug watch?
RE: .  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/29/2021 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15316813 DanMetroMan said:
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Yankees prospect Everson Pereira (part of the original Gallo deal) has been pulled from his game today... Hug watch?


Looks like it?
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Eli Fishman
@elijfishman
Breaking: someone at the game said a mound visit was called and the manager brought Pereira out of the game with handshakes. Appears a trade is going down.


Tough one to see go if he is indeed traded, but he would have to be put on the 40 man roster after this season, and he's currently in Low A.
Conflicting reports  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/29/2021 6:01 pm : link
on it. Still curious.
RE: Conflicting reports  
Strahan91 : 7/29/2021 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15316840 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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on it. Still curious.

Appears to be a false alarm. Saw this:

Everson Pereira is still in the Tarpons dugout and just said “No trade” when asked if he was traded. he says they took him out to rest for game 2 of the doubleheader
Rizzo too?  
mattnyg05 : 7/29/2021 6:38 pm : link
Just saw it on ESPN on sportscenter. Unless German.
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