Jeff Passan
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BREAKING: The New York Yankees are finalizing a deal to acquire outfielder Joey Gallo from the Texas Rangers, sources tell ESPN. The deal is pending medical review. Link - ( New Window )
In the deal, the Rangers received: shortstop Josh Smith (Yankees' No. 14 prospect per MLB Pipeline); second baseman Ezequiel Duran (No. 15); second baseman/outfielder Trevor Hauver (No. 23); and right-hander Glenn Otto (No. 28).
www.mlb.com/yankees/news/joey-gallo-yankees-trade
Both Jim Callis (BA) and Jarrett Seidler (BP) have noted these rankings are severely out of date and nowhere near where they would stand today.
Dan, all these rankings are subjective and not that far off from one another. Look where Deivi Garcia has been ranked and Florial. They float and move. The players they are giving up are good prospects, yes. In the end, all they are is prospects. Most prospects are just trade bait and pieces(that is cruel sounding).
Let us just hope Gallo is as good or better than they say.
Of course they are subjective but with no 2020 season pre-season rankings were especially "poor" and inaccurate. The pre-season rankings would have you believe the Yankees gave up very little, write ups on the trade from those in the know would have you feeling quite differently Link - ( New Window )
"I am not Jerry Gallo", I am Jerry Callo!! C-A-L-L-O
How many of them over recent years have turned into what we were hoping? Not many. I don't care what some prospect geek on Twitter has these guys ranked.
How many of them over recent years have turned into what we were hoping? Not many. I don't care what some prospect geek on Twitter has these guys ranked.
"Prospect Geek" Kevin Goldstein worked in the Astros FO in player development. I think he knows talent.
How many of them over recent years have turned into what we were hoping? Not many. I don't care what some prospect geek on Twitter has these guys ranked.
"Prospect Geek" Kevin Goldstein worked in the Astros FO in player development. I think he knows talent.
He worked in the Astro's FO? Well, holy shit. Stop the presses. Why didn't the Yankees take this guys' opinions into consideration before the trade?!
How many of them over recent years have turned into what we were hoping? Not many. I don't care what some prospect geek on Twitter has these guys ranked.
James Kaprielian says hello from Oakland. But hey, we got Sonny Gray, so totally worth it.
"FanGraphs hires former Astros scouting director Kevin Goldstein"
But yeah "prospect geek" with no professional insight to give or sources within baseball given his previous role.
What makes you think any of us care about his opinion, though? Serious question.
Very odd question. You don't read analyses from professionals? Odd, I see Gil Brandt cited ad nausea on this very site. "Any of us" as if you speak for all fans lol.
How many of them over recent years have turned into what we were hoping? Not many. I don't care what some prospect geek on Twitter has these guys ranked.
James Kaprielian says hello from Oakland. But hey, we got Sonny Gray, so totally worth it.
"FanGraphs hires former Astros scouting director Kevin Goldstein"
But yeah "prospect geek" with no professional insight to give or sources within baseball given his previous role.
What makes you think any of us care about his opinion, though? Serious question.
Very odd question. You don't read analyses from professionals? Odd, I see Gil Brandt cited ad nausea on this very site. "Any of us" as if you speak for all fans lol.
Why I would I care what he thinks about this particular trade, though?
for myself (and not an entire fanbase) when moves, draft picks, trades, signings are made I appreciate the opinions of people who actually work in the field and have experience evaluating talent. If you don't, that's great for you.
for myself (and not an entire fanbase) when moves, draft picks, trades, signings are made I appreciate the opinions of people who actually work in the field and have experience evaluating talent. If you don't, that's great for you.
I wonder how many Yankee fans care about this one guy's opinion on this particular trade.
he's employed by a respected outfit to give his professional opinion (that comes from a scouting background) and has connections/communications with teams/scouts/other players? I'm genuinely confused as to why you wouldn't understand interest in what people like Goldstein say. Truly.
for myself (and not an entire fanbase) when moves, draft picks, trades, signings are made I appreciate the opinions of people who actually work in the field and have experience evaluating talent. If you don't, that's great for you.
I wonder how many Yankee fans care about this one guy's opinion on this particular trade.
Presumably MANY Yankee fans are reading his take, Keith Law's take etc. I think you're actually in the minority with complete disinterest in what "experts" feel the Yankees gave up or with their opinions on future trades.
he's employed by a respected outfit to give his professional opinion (that comes from a scouting background) and has connections/communications with teams/scouts/other players? I'm genuinely confused as to why you wouldn't understand interest in what people like Goldstein say. Truly.
I don't see anyone in here caring about this guy's opinion, Dan..no offense.
he's employed by a respected outfit to give his professional opinion (that comes from a scouting background) and has connections/communications with teams/scouts/other players? I'm genuinely confused as to why you wouldn't understand interest in what people like Goldstein say. Truly.
I don't see anyone in here caring about this guy's opinion, Dan..no offense.
So your feeling is a large contingent of Yankee fans didn't read articles assessing the talent the Yankees gave up? We will have to agree to disagree.
he's employed by a respected outfit to give his professional opinion (that comes from a scouting background) and has connections/communications with teams/scouts/other players? I'm genuinely confused as to why you wouldn't understand interest in what people like Goldstein say. Truly.
I don't see anyone in here caring about this guy's opinion, Dan..no offense.
So your feeling is a large contingent of Yankee fans didn't read articles assessing the talent the Yankees gave up? We will have to agree to disagree.
That's not what I said at all. Who knows if they did. It certainly doesn't seem like anyone here cares about that guy's opinion, though.
the Yankees make a major trade FOR prospects, the first thing most fans will do is read the opinions of well regarded prospect writers including Kevin Goldstein who again, until very recently was a major league scouting director.
Not thrilled for all the Yankees gave up for Gallo
They gave up a lot to add to a very flawed team for a player who only has 1.5 years left on his deal and Gallo is the type of player who Yankees have more the enough of .
With that being said, He does Walk a lot, doesn't hit into DP ,is left handed , and is very good defensively.
This team especially under Cashman is never going to rebuild so these are the type of moves to expect . At least they kept Volpe and Peraza ( for now ) because I don't think I could handle trading Volpe unless it's for Trout or Ohtani
the Yankees make a major trade FOR prospects, the first thing most fans will do is read the opinions of well regarded prospect writers including Kevin Goldstein who again, until very recently was a major league scouting director.
That's all well and good. But I don't see anyone here caring about this guy's opinion on this trade. Because no one cares..
why would you waste this many minutes of your life back and forth with Dave in Hoboken of all people?
the guy doesn't have a clue.
I honestly never really paid attention to him (not insulting the guy) he just never stood out. Had no idea he had a reputation. FWIW Goldstein in no way was critical of the Yankees trade he essentially said both sides did well and the "original" trade package (2 prospects were removed) was stonger. I wasn't trying to rile up some anti-Yankee debate. I'm a huge Gallo fan and I think they made a good move (especially if they look to keep him). I personally like to read what "respected" people in the scouting industry of any sport have to say and then I make my own judgements.
with all due respect, grow up. Tired of you derailing Giants and Yankees threads with ridiculous arguments. There was literally zero reason for you to give Dan a hard time for sharing that information. I've tried encouraging you to stop in the past but at some point the pattern is what it is.
why would you waste this many minutes of your life back and forth with Dave in Hoboken of all people?
the guy doesn't have a clue.
I honestly never really paid attention to him (not insulting the guy) he just never stood out. Had no idea he had a reputation. FWIW Goldstein in no way was critical of the Yankees trade he essentially said both sides did well and the "original" trade package (2 prospects were removed) was stonger. I wasn't trying to rile up some anti-Yankee debate. I'm a huge Gallo fan and I think they made a good move (especially if they look to keep him). I personally like to read what "respected" people in the scouting industry of any sport have to say and then I make my own judgements.
they gave up some good stuff. They got a good player back with a year of control. Would have been furious giving up that much for a rental.
Appreciate you sharing it.
I don't think anyone with their head screwed on straight thought that you were stirring the pot in any sort of negative way.
with all due respect, grow up. Tired of you derailing Giants and Yankees threads with ridiculous arguments. There was literally zero reason for you to give Dan a hard time for sharing that information. I've tried encouraging you to stop in the past but at some point the pattern is what it is.
Kyle, no offense. But I honestly don't care what your opinion is of me as a poster. It's a forum. If you don't like me or my posts, ignore them. Pretty simple.
with all due respect, grow up. Tired of you derailing Giants and Yankees threads with ridiculous arguments. There was literally zero reason for you to give Dan a hard time for sharing that information. I've tried encouraging you to stop in the past but at some point the pattern is what it is.
Kyle, no offense. But I honestly don't care what your opinion is of me as a poster. It's a forum. If you don't like me or my posts, ignore them. Pretty simple.
could I change your mind thought if I told you that there was literally nobody who found these discussions better as a result of your participation?
please DMM, continue. Odd stance to not care about what prospect evaluators/experts that do it for a living, have to say about the prospects your team is giving up in a deal since most of us have never seen them play.
with all due respect, grow up. Tired of you derailing Giants and Yankees threads with ridiculous arguments. There was literally zero reason for you to give Dan a hard time for sharing that information. I've tried encouraging you to stop in the past but at some point the pattern is what it is.
Kyle, no offense. But I honestly don't care what your opinion is of me as a poster. It's a forum. If you don't like me or my posts, ignore them. Pretty simple.
could I change your mind thought if I told you that there was literally nobody who found these discussions better as a result of your participation?
doubtful, but worth a shot.
Nope. It's a forum. Again, I ask, who even are you?
almost always provides useful information to read. And it is usually factual or passing along articles from others that aren't clouded by his own opinions.
Jack Curry
@JackCurryYES
· 7m
Luke Voit has drawn interest in trade discussions the Yankees are having with multiple teams. Voit is on the verge of returning from the IL. Led the majors with 22 HRs last season, but has been limited to 29 games this season. #yankees Link - ( New Window )
All the post regarding this trade,people have to realize you need to give to get. That what happens in trades. Did the Yankees give up the next Tatis or a Refsnyder. We won’t know for a few years. It is what it is.
In the deal, the Rangers received: shortstop Josh Smith (Yankees' No. 14 prospect per MLB Pipeline); second baseman Ezequiel Duran (No. 15); second baseman/outfielder Trevor Hauver (No. 23); and right-hander Glenn Otto (No. 28).
www.mlb.com/yankees/news/joey-gallo-yankees-trade
Both Jim Callis (BA) and Jarrett Seidler (BP) have noted these rankings are severely out of date and nowhere near where they would stand today.
Dan, all these rankings are subjective and not that far off from one another. Look where Deivi Garcia has been ranked and Florial. They float and move. The players they are giving up are good prospects, yes. In the end, all they are is prospects. Most prospects are just trade bait and pieces(that is cruel sounding).
Let us just hope Gallo is as good or better than they say.
Of course they are subjective but with no 2020 season pre-season rankings were especially "poor" and inaccurate. The pre-season rankings would have you believe the Yankees gave up very little, write ups on the trade from those in the know would have you feeling quite differently Link - ( New Window )
Wow, went out to the store and the idiocy shit hit the fan..
Now back to the rankings, good point on there being no last year. However, the guys they gave up have good rankings either year. Rangers would not be giving up a good MLB player for trash. I think the real point is it is highly unlikely any of these guys make the big team before needing to be on the 40 man roster. The fact that the Rangers are also eating salary means they needed the pot sweetened to bite that apple.
From what I have seen the top 40ish guys are ranked nearly the same by the different agencies and then it gets lose after 50 or so. I also see that previous years and trades have shown the rankings do not necessarily lead to a player making the big time as a consistent starter - see Garcia and Florial. Whitlock looks to be one that bucks the trend and I do not know where he was ranked.
makes a lot of sense. Last winter was probably the time to cash in when his value was greatest, but it is what it is. If they make a move for a SS with Gleyber back to 2B they need 1B for DJ. Voit's a bit redundant in this lineup, will be 30 and is frequently battling injuries, due for a raise in arbitration. Not shocked to see his name come up, just curious where his value is now.
makes a lot of sense. Last winter was probably the time to cash in when his value was greatest, but it is what it is. If they make a move for a SS with Gleyber back to 2B they need 1B for DJ. Voit's a bit redundant in this lineup, will be 30 and is frequently battling injuries, due for a raise in arbitration. Not shocked to see his name come up, just curious where his value is now.
Good question on his value. He still has power and a high OBP(well did). He is the obvious choice to be moved to make room. DJLM is better in all aspects except power. The Yanks have enough power without Voit, whom I like a lot.
makes a lot of sense. Last winter was probably the time to cash in when his value was greatest, but it is what it is. If they make a move for a SS with Gleyber back to 2B they need 1B for DJ. Voit's a bit redundant in this lineup, will be 30 and is frequently battling injuries, due for a raise in arbitration. Not shocked to see his name come up, just curious where his value is now.
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In the deal, the Rangers received: shortstop Josh Smith (Yankees' No. 14 prospect per MLB Pipeline); second baseman Ezequiel Duran (No. 15); second baseman/outfielder Trevor Hauver (No. 23); and right-hander Glenn Otto (No. 28).
www.mlb.com/yankees/news/joey-gallo-yankees-trade
Both Jim Callis (BA) and Jarrett Seidler (BP) have noted these rankings are severely out of date and nowhere near where they would stand today.
Dan, all these rankings are subjective and not that far off from one another. Look where Deivi Garcia has been ranked and Florial. They float and move. The players they are giving up are good prospects, yes. In the end, all they are is prospects. Most prospects are just trade bait and pieces(that is cruel sounding).
Let us just hope Gallo is as good or better than they say.
Of course they are subjective but with no 2020 season pre-season rankings were especially "poor" and inaccurate. The pre-season rankings would have you believe the Yankees gave up very little, write ups on the trade from those in the know would have you feeling quite differently
Link - ( New Window )
"Prospect Geek" Kevin Goldstein worked in the Astros FO in player development. I think he knows talent.
But yeah "prospect geek" with no professional insight to give or sources within baseball given his previous role.
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How many of them over recent years have turned into what we were hoping? Not many. I don't care what some prospect geek on Twitter has these guys ranked.
"Prospect Geek" Kevin Goldstein worked in the Astros FO in player development. I think he knows talent.
He worked in the Astro's FO? Well, holy shit. Stop the presses. Why didn't the Yankees take this guys' opinions into consideration before the trade?!
But yeah "prospect geek" with no professional insight to give or sources within baseball given his previous role.
What makes you think any of us care about his opinion, though? Serious question.
James Kaprielian says hello from Oakland. But hey, we got Sonny Gray, so totally worth it.
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"FanGraphs hires former Astros scouting director Kevin Goldstein"
But yeah "prospect geek" with no professional insight to give or sources within baseball given his previous role.
What makes you think any of us care about his opinion, though? Serious question.
Very odd question. You don't read analyses from professionals? Odd, I see Gil Brandt cited ad nausea on this very site. "Any of us" as if you speak for all fans lol.
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How many of them over recent years have turned into what we were hoping? Not many. I don't care what some prospect geek on Twitter has these guys ranked.
James Kaprielian says hello from Oakland. But hey, we got Sonny Gray, so totally worth it.
Great response. One guy. *slow clap*
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"FanGraphs hires former Astros scouting director Kevin Goldstein"
But yeah "prospect geek" with no professional insight to give or sources within baseball given his previous role.
What makes you think any of us care about his opinion, though? Serious question.
Very odd question. You don't read analyses from professionals? Odd, I see Gil Brandt cited ad nausea on this very site. "Any of us" as if you speak for all fans lol.
Why I would I care what he thinks about this particular trade, though?
I wonder how many Yankee fans care about this one guy's opinion on this particular trade.
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for myself (and not an entire fanbase) when moves, draft picks, trades, signings are made I appreciate the opinions of people who actually work in the field and have experience evaluating talent. If you don't, that's great for you.
I wonder how many Yankee fans care about this one guy's opinion on this particular trade.
Presumably MANY Yankee fans are reading his take, Keith Law's take etc. I think you're actually in the minority with complete disinterest in what "experts" feel the Yankees gave up or with their opinions on future trades.
I don't see anyone in here caring about this guy's opinion, Dan..no offense.
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he's employed by a respected outfit to give his professional opinion (that comes from a scouting background) and has connections/communications with teams/scouts/other players? I'm genuinely confused as to why you wouldn't understand interest in what people like Goldstein say. Truly.
I don't see anyone in here caring about this guy's opinion, Dan..no offense.
So your feeling is a large contingent of Yankee fans didn't read articles assessing the talent the Yankees gave up? We will have to agree to disagree.
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he's employed by a respected outfit to give his professional opinion (that comes from a scouting background) and has connections/communications with teams/scouts/other players? I'm genuinely confused as to why you wouldn't understand interest in what people like Goldstein say. Truly.
I don't see anyone in here caring about this guy's opinion, Dan..no offense.
So your feeling is a large contingent of Yankee fans didn't read articles assessing the talent the Yankees gave up? We will have to agree to disagree.
That's not what I said at all. Who knows if they did. It certainly doesn't seem like anyone here cares about that guy's opinion, though.
With that being said, He does Walk a lot, doesn't hit into DP ,is left handed , and is very good defensively.
This team especially under Cashman is never going to rebuild so these are the type of moves to expect . At least they kept Volpe and Peraza ( for now ) because I don't think I could handle trading Volpe unless it's for Trout or Ohtani
*le sigh*
That's all well and good. But I don't see anyone here caring about this guy's opinion on this trade. Because no one cares..
the guy doesn't have a clue.
the guy doesn't have a clue.
I'm sorry. Who are you?
Some wild inconsistency from start to start. Can't hang that on stickum.
the guy doesn't have a clue.
I honestly never really paid attention to him (not insulting the guy) he just never stood out. Had no idea he had a reputation. FWIW Goldstein in no way was critical of the Yankees trade he essentially said both sides did well and the "original" trade package (2 prospects were removed) was stonger. I wasn't trying to rile up some anti-Yankee debate. I'm a huge Gallo fan and I think they made a good move (especially if they look to keep him). I personally like to read what "respected" people in the scouting industry of any sport have to say and then I make my own judgements.
but why would we care about what you have to say on this particular thread?
I don't see anyone caring.
weird.
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but why would we care about what you have to say on this particular thread?
I don't see anyone caring.
weird.
You mentioned me earlier, and are now replying to this post of mine.
I'd say you care.
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why would you waste this many minutes of your life back and forth with Dave in Hoboken of all people?
the guy doesn't have a clue.
I honestly never really paid attention to him (not insulting the guy) he just never stood out. Had no idea he had a reputation. FWIW Goldstein in no way was critical of the Yankees trade he essentially said both sides did well and the "original" trade package (2 prospects were removed) was stonger. I wasn't trying to rile up some anti-Yankee debate. I'm a huge Gallo fan and I think they made a good move (especially if they look to keep him). I personally like to read what "respected" people in the scouting industry of any sport have to say and then I make my own judgements.
they gave up some good stuff. They got a good player back with a year of control. Would have been furious giving up that much for a rental.
Appreciate you sharing it.
I don't think anyone with their head screwed on straight thought that you were stirring the pot in any sort of negative way.
Kyle, no offense. But I honestly don't care what your opinion is of me as a poster. It's a forum. If you don't like me or my posts, ignore them. Pretty simple.
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with all due respect, grow up. Tired of you derailing Giants and Yankees threads with ridiculous arguments. There was literally zero reason for you to give Dan a hard time for sharing that information. I've tried encouraging you to stop in the past but at some point the pattern is what it is.
Kyle, no offense. But I honestly don't care what your opinion is of me as a poster. It's a forum. If you don't like me or my posts, ignore them. Pretty simple.
could I change your mind thought if I told you that there was literally nobody who found these discussions better as a result of your participation?
doubtful, but worth a shot.
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with all due respect, grow up. Tired of you derailing Giants and Yankees threads with ridiculous arguments. There was literally zero reason for you to give Dan a hard time for sharing that information. I've tried encouraging you to stop in the past but at some point the pattern is what it is.
Kyle, no offense. But I honestly don't care what your opinion is of me as a poster. It's a forum. If you don't like me or my posts, ignore them. Pretty simple.
could I change your mind thought if I told you that there was literally nobody who found these discussions better as a result of your participation?
doubtful, but worth a shot.
Nope. It's a forum. Again, I ask, who even are you?
Very good stuff.
Chrome extension if you want to hide dave in hoboken - ( New Window )
That's your life. Sounds exciting.
SFGiants
@SFGiants
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ROSTER MOVES: IF Brandon Crawford reinstated from the 10-day Injured List.
RHP Aaron Sanchez returned from his rehab assignment and reinstated from the 60-day Injured List.
RHP John Brebbia optioned to Triple-A Sacramento.
OF Mike Tauchman designated for assignment.
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Jack Curry
@JackCurryYES
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Luke Voit has drawn interest in trade discussions the Yankees are having with multiple teams. Voit is on the verge of returning from the IL. Led the majors with 22 HRs last season, but has been limited to 29 games this season. #yankees
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In the deal, the Rangers received: shortstop Josh Smith (Yankees' No. 14 prospect per MLB Pipeline); second baseman Ezequiel Duran (No. 15); second baseman/outfielder Trevor Hauver (No. 23); and right-hander Glenn Otto (No. 28).
www.mlb.com/yankees/news/joey-gallo-yankees-trade
Both Jim Callis (BA) and Jarrett Seidler (BP) have noted these rankings are severely out of date and nowhere near where they would stand today.
Dan, all these rankings are subjective and not that far off from one another. Look where Deivi Garcia has been ranked and Florial. They float and move. The players they are giving up are good prospects, yes. In the end, all they are is prospects. Most prospects are just trade bait and pieces(that is cruel sounding).
Let us just hope Gallo is as good or better than they say.
Of course they are subjective but with no 2020 season pre-season rankings were especially "poor" and inaccurate. The pre-season rankings would have you believe the Yankees gave up very little, write ups on the trade from those in the know would have you feeling quite differently Link - ( New Window )
Wow, went out to the store and the idiocy shit hit the fan..
Now back to the rankings, good point on there being no last year. However, the guys they gave up have good rankings either year. Rangers would not be giving up a good MLB player for trash. I think the real point is it is highly unlikely any of these guys make the big team before needing to be on the 40 man roster. The fact that the Rangers are also eating salary means they needed the pot sweetened to bite that apple.
From what I have seen the top 40ish guys are ranked nearly the same by the different agencies and then it gets lose after 50 or so. I also see that previous years and trades have shown the rankings do not necessarily lead to a player making the big time as a consistent starter - see Garcia and Florial. Whitlock looks to be one that bucks the trend and I do not know where he was ranked.
Good question on his value. He still has power and a high OBP(well did). He is the obvious choice to be moved to make room. DJLM is better in all aspects except power. The Yanks have enough power without Voit, whom I like a lot.
agree completely. over rated and always hurt.