DG for signing Benjamin - clearly biased from their prior connection in Carolina even though Benjamin hasn’t played in years and has not played tight end before - and Benjamin for not complying with the directions on weight. Judge needs to set and enforce standards consistently. Time will tell if Benjamin’s view on Judge being too authoritarian to succeed will be true but there is plenty of evidence for that being a success (Parcells Coughlin Belichick Cowher are examples).
It was a strange - and I think stupid - idea to bring him in here. Like the Jonathan Stewart signing - except Benjamin was out of the league and very clearly past his prime. But Benjamin didn’t fit in terms of the offense and he didn’t fit in terms of the culture. It’s a bizarre signing. And it’s no surprise it didn’t work out.
If DG did indeed "do a favor" (for a guy who stated upon leaving Carolina that he wished he'd never come to Carolina), why would JJ sign off on giving him a contract after his "no promises" try-out?
Because Judge didn't sign off on it. The contract was for basically
nothing with no guarantees so there would be no harm when Judge dealt with it, as needed, when he was on his field.
That way Judge doesn't have to go head-to-head with the GM earlier over a ridiculous signing.
as far as I know no one else really had interest so the Giants atleast gave him one. Maybe next time you make the best of your last chance, come in in shape, hungry and not full of excuses.
I guess there’s a chance he’s telling the truth but I doubt it.
nothing with no guarantees so there would be no harm when Judge dealt with it, as needed, when he was on his field.
That way Judge doesn't have to go head-to-head with the GM earlier over a ridiculous signing.
Again, just a leap...
And of course, we all know that making leaps wearing Clownshoes is really tough.
This guy has been an issue with different teams for years
Why does he think he has any credibility, or why do we care? Good for Judge. He probably quickly saw a guy who was going to be a problem and not a hard worker, and cut bait. I agree with Judge on philosophy here, lay down the rules right away and if they can't meet them at first its done. If he is ignoring things at the beginning he sure won't follow them later.
Benjamin strikes me as one of those guys who has an excuse for everything
nothing with no guarantees so there would be no harm when Judge dealt with it, as needed, when he was on his field.
That way Judge doesn't have to go head-to-head with the GM earlier over a ridiculous signing.
Again, just a leap...
And of course, we all know that making leaps wearing Clownshoes is really tough.
Still smarting from yesterday I guess?
No worries, a new DJ thread will start soon enough and then you can jump on and ponder why everybody is so compulsive and can't just post positive stuff about him...
It was a stupid freakin signing from the beginning, considering the knock on him for bad effort and attitude before he got here. Now it's a distraction.
RE: A WR converted to TE that weighs more than most DEs...
It was a stupid freakin signing from the beginning, considering the knock on him for bad effort and attitude before he got here. Now it's a distraction.
No one is distracted, except for maybe BBIers. And he signed a non-guaranteed contract so it isn't a bad signing either since he isn't signed at all anymore and with no penalty.
It was a stupid freakin signing from the beginning, considering the knock on him for bad effort and attitude before he got here. Now it's a distraction.
A distraction for who? Just because we're talking about it doesnt mean anyone in the organization is giving it a second thought. Judge will be asked about it and will likely decline to speak about it. It will be quickly forgotten save for the occasional joke on BBI. You're setting the distraction bar very, very low.
RE: RE: A WR converted to TE that weighs more than most DEs...
It was a stupid freakin signing from the beginning, considering the knock on him for bad effort and attitude before he got here. Now it's a distraction.
No one is distracted, except for maybe BBIers. And he signed a non-guaranteed contract so it isn't a bad signing either since he isn't signed at all anymore and with no penalty.
I meant a distraction that it's front page news on ESPN.com, and may play into certain media members' narrative that Judge is an out of touch coach.
We'll see how much of the press conferences are wasted on questions about Kelvin freakin Benjamin I guess.
It was a stupid freakin signing from the beginning, considering the knock on him for bad effort and attitude before he got here. Now it's a distraction.
No one is distracted, except for maybe BBIers. And he signed a non-guaranteed contract so it isn't a bad signing either since he isn't signed at all anymore and with no penalty.
I meant a distraction that it's front page news on ESPN.com, and may play into certain media members' narrative that Judge is an out of touch coach.
We'll see how much of the press conferences are wasted on questions about Kelvin freakin Benjamin I guess.
It will be newsworthy for a couple of days because there is nothing else for them to talk about. The media will also play the "Is Coach Judge too old school" BS because they have to generate clicks but in the long run this is a plus for this team in that a message has been sent at the cost of an idiotic fringe player who's been a bust wherever he's played
F.M.In Ch. Wrote....
"And of course, we all know that making leaps wearing Clownshoes is really tough."
J.G....
"Still smarting from yesterday I guess?"
WHat happened yesterday,Jimmy? Did you school one of the most articulate posters here, or did your big, critical, meddling mouth leap into trouble again?
You are out of your weight class
RE: Surprised there are actually people who question this
Its coaching 101. You have a notoriously lazy, under achieving player. You give him a pretty simple task to test where his commitment is. He fails miserably. Bye Bye.
At Benjamins point in his career, he should have done EVERYTHING possible to lose that 17lbs. This is his last chance. And he not only didnt try, he GAINED. Come on man.
That he gained is key. If he had lost say 5 pounds but still over weight the conversation likely would have been different.
Kelvin clearly does not have a strong desire for a comeback and was testing how he would be treated.
Benjamin was a long shot to make the roster at a position he has never played and he comes in overweight? His comments show no accountability and Judge does not play that. Goodbye and good luck.
Why would anyone give a shit what Benjamin has to say?
He's always been an excuse-maker, and here is a clear-cut case of being asked to do something - lose weight - but did the opposite. If he had come into camp over 251 but under the mini-camp weight, my guess would be that Judge would give him the benefit of doubt. But to gain weight? GTFO.
And I agree with posters who say he never made sense for this roster. We already have a TE who can't block.
I don't get why anyone would take his comments to heart
First off, there is no proof he (or anyone else) was forced on Judge. Second, his claim that he never spoke to Judge before being signed is proven as false. Third, he was asked to do something and he not only didn't do it, but he did the opposite. Rather than accept any responsibility, he decides to double down and basically say he knows better base don a season 5 years ago.
Further to the weight loss, I'm sure if he came in this week not at the 251 target, but lower than mini camp, he probably buys a little more time. Instead, he proceeded to gain more weight. It is unclear or irrelevant whether or not this is deemed "good" weight.
The bottom line is he ignored the Giants request, whether willfully or just out of poor work ethic, and now expects some special treatment for some reason. This isn't a high priced FA. This isn't a high performance FA. This is quite simply a long shot reclamation project. Instead of treating this probable last shot with reverence and urgency, he shrugged it off. It would be absolutely shocking, at this point, if he ends up getting a single call from another team, let alone ending up in another camp. Let him run his mouth and let the other 90 guys here listen to Judge and see where that takes us.
Ultimately, the Giants will have to start winning under Judge. But, for right now, almost to a man, the players, front office, and fans seem to be in support of Judge, pleased with Judge, etc. So, ignore the clear sour grapes and focus on this camp.
“Me and Gettleman always kept in touch,” Benjamin said. “We talked on the phone one day and he asked are you ready to come back? I know you can do this. Gettleman knows exactly what I can do. He watched me for the years I was at Carolina. Every year I had to go out there and work. To be a No. 1 receiver, you gotta go work every day and you gotta be consistent.”
After Benjamin’s heated argument with Judge on the field before Wednesday’s practice — Gettleman was there too — the Giants general manager trailed Benjamin as he walked off the field for the last time in a Giants uniform.
What did Gettleman say to Benjamin?
“Dave was the one that got me here and Dave knew exactly what went down,” Benjamin said. “I’m a team guy. I’ve been on a winning team before. I get the politics in the league and stuff. I don’t want to put it out there (what Gettleman said). But you now how organizations are: They take care of each other.”
of someone saying they don't want to get into it and speak about what happened, but then does it anyway and in excess. Even if he wanted a comeback somewhere else he pretty much eliminated any interest there might have been.
F.M.In Ch. Wrote....
"And of course, we all know that making leaps wearing Clownshoes is really tough."
J.G....
"Still smarting from yesterday I guess?"
WHat happened yesterday,Jimmy? Did you school one of the most articulate posters here, or did your big, critical, meddling mouth leap into trouble again?
You are out of your weight class
Not sure that's right. I ate a lot of carbs last night...
Fighting for his football life he was told to cut weight and didn’t do what he was asked to do. Too lazy too stupid whatever the reason is he deserved to be cut.
Also maybe true: KB didn't want to be there, didn't want to play for this coach or this team, and wasn't willing to get with the program.
As for his he'll-never-win-a-Super-Bowl snark, I guess we'll see. Most coaches don't, so the odds are in KB's favor. But I like Judge as a coach and so far the players have responded to him. Mostly, anyway, as of yesterday.
sends a clear signal to the team that he means business. Benjamin was never seeing the field this year anyway, or likely even making it through camp. I like it.
and has unkind things to say about the boss/coach on the way out the door. Im gonna take a wild guess and say that this is not the first time that this has happened.
This is all sour grapes. But, can't help but wonder if Judge and Gettleman weren't on the same page with this signing. Obviously, bringing him in was mostly a DG decision, but I'm curious now about just how much Judge and DG see eye to eye on personnel moves.
This is all sour grapes. But, can't help but wonder if Judge and Gettleman weren't on the same page with this signing. Obviously, bringing him in was mostly a DG decision, but I'm curious now about just how much Judge and DG see eye to eye on personnel moves.
About Judge being dead set against Benjamin from the get-go and looking for any excuse to cut him seem far-fetched to me. When Judge was giving Benjamin pointers about securing the ball during his initial tryout, was he trying to "keep appearances" and make it look like he was ok with having him around while secretly plotting to cut him the first chance he got? I kinda think Judge has more important things to worry about than getting Machiavellian over a borderline player on a non-guaranteed contract.
Isn't it more logical to think that Judge is looking at every possibility to improve the team (as he often says), and agreed to take a look at a guy his GM suggested (the horror!)? GMs often bring aboard fringe players they're familiar with on no-risk flyers. Coaches cut them a lot of the time. Doesn't mean there's some internecine conflict going on between coach and GM.
Benjamin ate himself out of football, was given an opportunity to resuscitate his career, and he responded with behavior that would merit getting cut by virtually every NFL team. That's all I see here.
About Judge being dead set against Benjamin from the get-go and looking for any excuse to cut him seem far-fetched to me. When Judge was giving Benjamin pointers about securing the ball during his initial tryout, was he trying to "keep appearances" and make it look like he was ok with having him around while secretly plotting to cut him the first chance he got? I kinda think Judge has more important things to worry about than getting Machiavellian over a borderline player on a non-guaranteed contract.
Isn't it more logical to think that Judge is looking at every possibility to improve the team (as he often says), and agreed to take a look at a guy his GM suggested (the horror!)? GMs often bring aboard fringe players they're familiar with on no-risk flyers. Coaches cut them a lot of the time. Doesn't mean there's some internecine conflict going on between coach and GM.
Benjamin ate himself out of football, was given an opportunity to resuscitate his career, and he responded with behavior that would merit getting cut by virtually every NFL team. That's all I see here.
Stop making sense. These guys don't want to waste the sharpened tines on their pitchforks!
About Judge being dead set against Benjamin from the get-go and looking for any excuse to cut him seem far-fetched to me. When Judge was giving Benjamin pointers about securing the ball during his initial tryout, was he trying to "keep appearances" and make it look like he was ok with having him around while secretly plotting to cut him the first chance he got? I kinda think Judge has more important things to worry about than getting Machiavellian over a borderline player on a non-guaranteed contract.
Isn't it more logical to think that Judge is looking at every possibility to improve the team (as he often says), and agreed to take a look at a guy his GM suggested (the horror!)? GMs often bring aboard fringe players they're familiar with on no-risk flyers. Coaches cut them a lot of the time. Doesn't mean there's some internecine conflict going on between coach and GM.
Benjamin ate himself out of football, was given an opportunity to resuscitate his career, and he responded with behavior that would merit getting cut by virtually every NFL team. That's all I see here.
Stop making sense. These guys don't want to waste the sharpened tines on their pitchforks!
Judge played the part of placating just enough with Benjamin and Gettleman.
Yes indeed, he should be looking at every reason possible to improve the roster but probably realized early on that this was a joke being manufactured by an out-of-date GM and football player from yesteryear. He did what any smart coach would do, let the player and the GM fall on their sword and move on with the season...
About Judge being dead set against Benjamin from the get-go and looking for any excuse to cut him seem far-fetched to me. When Judge was giving Benjamin pointers about securing the ball during his initial tryout, was he trying to "keep appearances" and make it look like he was ok with having him around while secretly plotting to cut him the first chance he got? I kinda think Judge has more important things to worry about than getting Machiavellian over a borderline player on a non-guaranteed contract.
Isn't it more logical to think that Judge is looking at every possibility to improve the team (as he often says), and agreed to take a look at a guy his GM suggested (the horror!)? GMs often bring aboard fringe players they're familiar with on no-risk flyers. Coaches cut them a lot of the time. Doesn't mean there's some internecine conflict going on between coach and GM.
Benjamin ate himself out of football, was given an opportunity to resuscitate his career, and he responded with behavior that would merit getting cut by virtually every NFL team. That's all I see here.
Stop making sense. These guys don't want to waste the sharpened tines on their pitchforks!
You are the closest thing I know to a human pitchfork...
About Judge being dead set against Benjamin from the get-go and looking for any excuse to cut him seem far-fetched to me. When Judge was giving Benjamin pointers about securing the ball during his initial tryout, was he trying to "keep appearances" and make it look like he was ok with having him around while secretly plotting to cut him the first chance he got? I kinda think Judge has more important things to worry about than getting Machiavellian over a borderline player on a non-guaranteed contract.
Isn't it more logical to think that Judge is looking at every possibility to improve the team (as he often says), and agreed to take a look at a guy his GM suggested (the horror!)? GMs often bring aboard fringe players they're familiar with on no-risk flyers. Coaches cut them a lot of the time. Doesn't mean there's some internecine conflict going on between coach and GM.
Benjamin ate himself out of football, was given an opportunity to resuscitate his career, and he responded with behavior that would merit getting cut by virtually every NFL team. That's all I see here.
Pretty much this. Also, according to Benjamin's own story, Judge wasn't intending on cutting him, he was giving him a warning that was obviously a tactic to motivate him further. Benjamin took offense and walked out on the team. Also, no shit Judge wanted Benjamin to slim down to his WR playing weight, there's another TE on the roster that is basically a WR that plays at 240 LBs. Maybe they want a back-up with a similar, atheletic skillset in case he gets injured and misses game-time, which is not abnormal for Engram..
Benjamin has some issues he needs to work out because the dude sounds really immature.
In an interview with The Athletic, Benjamin went so far as to say any quarterback would be better to play with than Newton.
“It was a bad fit from the get-go. If you would’ve put me with any other quarterback, let’s be real, you know what I’m saying? Any other accurate quarterback like [Aaron] Rodgers or Eli Manning or Big Ben — anybody! — quarterbacks with knowledge, that know how to place a ball and give you a better chance to catch the ball. It just felt like I wasn’t in that position.”
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Panthers tight end Greg Olsen called Benjamin’s barbs “weird,” adding Sunday (via Panthers.com): “Things didn’t work out here for him. I get it. I know what that’s like, but you’d like to see him kind of move forward to his new team and embrace his new opportunity, rather than kind of go personal on it.”
About Judge being dead set against Benjamin from the get-go and looking for any excuse to cut him seem far-fetched to me. When Judge was giving Benjamin pointers about securing the ball during his initial tryout, was he trying to "keep appearances" and make it look like he was ok with having him around while secretly plotting to cut him the first chance he got? I kinda think Judge has more important things to worry about than getting Machiavellian over a borderline player on a non-guaranteed contract.
Isn't it more logical to think that Judge is looking at every possibility to improve the team (as he often says), and agreed to take a look at a guy his GM suggested (the horror!)? GMs often bring aboard fringe players they're familiar with on no-risk flyers. Coaches cut them a lot of the time. Doesn't mean there's some internecine conflict going on between coach and GM.
Benjamin ate himself out of football, was given an opportunity to resuscitate his career, and he responded with behavior that would merit getting cut by virtually every NFL team. That's all I see here.
Stop making sense. These guys don't want to waste the sharpened tines on their pitchforks!
Judge played the part of placating just enough with Benjamin and Gettleman.
Yes indeed, he should be looking at every reason possible to improve the roster but probably realized early on that this was a joke being manufactured by an out-of-date GM and football player from yesteryear. He did what any smart coach would do, let the player and the GM fall on their sword and move on with the season...
LOL. So this is the doing of a GM falling on their sword?? Fuck you guys like to imagine drama that doesn't exist./
FWIW, it's entirely possible that Gettleman and Judge
If DG did indeed "do a favor" (for a guy who stated upon leaving Carolina that he wished he'd never come to Carolina), why would JJ sign off on giving him a contract after his "no promises" try-out?
That way Judge doesn't have to go head-to-head with the GM earlier over a ridiculous signing.
Again, just a leap...
I guess there’s a chance he’s telling the truth but I doubt it.
That way Judge doesn't have to go head-to-head with the GM earlier over a ridiculous signing.
Again, just a leap...
And of course, we all know that making leaps wearing Clownshoes is really tough.
Benjamin strikes me as one of those guys who has an excuse for everything
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nothing with no guarantees so there would be no harm when Judge dealt with it, as needed, when he was on his field.
That way Judge doesn't have to go head-to-head with the GM earlier over a ridiculous signing.
Again, just a leap...
And of course, we all know that making leaps wearing Clownshoes is really tough.
Still smarting from yesterday I guess?
No worries, a new DJ thread will start soon enough and then you can jump on and ponder why everybody is so compulsive and can't just post positive stuff about him...
"Ok"
Where was the setup? If he didn't want to make weight, just ask for your release.
It was a stupid freakin signing from the beginning, considering the knock on him for bad effort and attitude before he got here. Now it's a distraction.
It was a stupid freakin signing from the beginning, considering the knock on him for bad effort and attitude before he got here. Now it's a distraction.
No one is distracted, except for maybe BBIers. And he signed a non-guaranteed contract so it isn't a bad signing either since he isn't signed at all anymore and with no penalty.
Does anyone really give a fuck about this? Sounds like Benjamin was eating a lot of sour grapes, along with all the other things he was eating
It was a stupid freakin signing from the beginning, considering the knock on him for bad effort and attitude before he got here. Now it's a distraction.
A distraction for who? Just because we're talking about it doesnt mean anyone in the organization is giving it a second thought. Judge will be asked about it and will likely decline to speak about it. It will be quickly forgotten save for the occasional joke on BBI. You're setting the distraction bar very, very low.
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...No one is signing him, LOL.
It was a stupid freakin signing from the beginning, considering the knock on him for bad effort and attitude before he got here. Now it's a distraction.
No one is distracted, except for maybe BBIers. And he signed a non-guaranteed contract so it isn't a bad signing either since he isn't signed at all anymore and with no penalty.
I meant a distraction that it's front page news on ESPN.com, and may play into certain media members' narrative that Judge is an out of touch coach.
We'll see how much of the press conferences are wasted on questions about Kelvin freakin Benjamin I guess.
about what Kelvin Benjamin has to say. Next.
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...No one is signing him, LOL.
It was a stupid freakin signing from the beginning, considering the knock on him for bad effort and attitude before he got here. Now it's a distraction.
No one is distracted, except for maybe BBIers. And he signed a non-guaranteed contract so it isn't a bad signing either since he isn't signed at all anymore and with no penalty.
I meant a distraction that it's front page news on ESPN.com, and may play into certain media members' narrative that Judge is an out of touch coach.
We'll see how much of the press conferences are wasted on questions about Kelvin freakin Benjamin I guess.
It will be newsworthy for a couple of days because there is nothing else for them to talk about. The media will also play the "Is Coach Judge too old school" BS because they have to generate clicks but in the long run this is a plus for this team in that a message has been sent at the cost of an idiotic fringe player who's been a bust wherever he's played
F.M.In Ch. Wrote....
"And of course, we all know that making leaps wearing Clownshoes is really tough."
J.G....
"Still smarting from yesterday I guess?"
WHat happened yesterday,Jimmy? Did you school one of the most articulate posters here, or did your big, critical, meddling mouth leap into trouble again?
You are out of your weight class
At Benjamins point in his career, he should have done EVERYTHING possible to lose that 17lbs. This is his last chance. And he not only didnt try, he GAINED. Come on man.
That he gained is key. If he had lost say 5 pounds but still over weight the conversation likely would have been different.
Kelvin clearly does not have a strong desire for a comeback and was testing how he would be treated.
Cool, you can support him when his fat ass is sitting on a beach in FL.
And I agree with posters who say he never made sense for this roster. We already have a TE who can't block.
Further to the weight loss, I'm sure if he came in this week not at the 251 target, but lower than mini camp, he probably buys a little more time. Instead, he proceeded to gain more weight. It is unclear or irrelevant whether or not this is deemed "good" weight.
The bottom line is he ignored the Giants request, whether willfully or just out of poor work ethic, and now expects some special treatment for some reason. This isn't a high priced FA. This isn't a high performance FA. This is quite simply a long shot reclamation project. Instead of treating this probable last shot with reverence and urgency, he shrugged it off. It would be absolutely shocking, at this point, if he ends up getting a single call from another team, let alone ending up in another camp. Let him run his mouth and let the other 90 guys here listen to Judge and see where that takes us.
Ultimately, the Giants will have to start winning under Judge. But, for right now, almost to a man, the players, front office, and fans seem to be in support of Judge, pleased with Judge, etc. So, ignore the clear sour grapes and focus on this camp.
After Benjamin’s heated argument with Judge on the field before Wednesday’s practice — Gettleman was there too — the Giants general manager trailed Benjamin as he walked off the field for the last time in a Giants uniform.
What did Gettleman say to Benjamin?
“Dave was the one that got me here and Dave knew exactly what went down,” Benjamin said. “I’m a team guy. I’ve been on a winning team before. I get the politics in the league and stuff. I don’t want to put it out there (what Gettleman said). But you now how organizations are: They take care of each other.”
https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/07/more-details-about-giants-crazy-kelvin-benjamin-saga-and-the-dave-gettleman-phone-call-that-convinced-him-to-sign-in-the-first-place.html
F.M.In Ch. Wrote....
"And of course, we all know that making leaps wearing Clownshoes is really tough."
J.G....
"Still smarting from yesterday I guess?"
WHat happened yesterday,Jimmy? Did you school one of the most articulate posters here, or did your big, critical, meddling mouth leap into trouble again?
You are out of your weight class
Not sure that's right. I ate a lot of carbs last night...
Also maybe true: KB didn't want to be there, didn't want to play for this coach or this team, and wasn't willing to get with the program.
As for his he'll-never-win-a-Super-Bowl snark, I guess we'll see. Most coaches don't, so the odds are in KB's favor. But I like Judge as a coach and so far the players have responded to him. Mostly, anyway, as of yesterday.
I'd toss him a souvenir ball for his troubles on the way out the door, but no doubt he'd drop it.
I'd toss him a souvenir ball for his troubles on the way out the door, but no doubt he'd drop it.
He'd probably eat it
Isn't it more logical to think that Judge is looking at every possibility to improve the team (as he often says), and agreed to take a look at a guy his GM suggested (the horror!)? GMs often bring aboard fringe players they're familiar with on no-risk flyers. Coaches cut them a lot of the time. Doesn't mean there's some internecine conflict going on between coach and GM.
Benjamin ate himself out of football, was given an opportunity to resuscitate his career, and he responded with behavior that would merit getting cut by virtually every NFL team. That's all I see here.
Isn't it more logical to think that Judge is looking at every possibility to improve the team (as he often says), and agreed to take a look at a guy his GM suggested (the horror!)? GMs often bring aboard fringe players they're familiar with on no-risk flyers. Coaches cut them a lot of the time. Doesn't mean there's some internecine conflict going on between coach and GM.
Benjamin ate himself out of football, was given an opportunity to resuscitate his career, and he responded with behavior that would merit getting cut by virtually every NFL team. That's all I see here.
Stop making sense. These guys don't want to waste the sharpened tines on their pitchforks!
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About Judge being dead set against Benjamin from the get-go and looking for any excuse to cut him seem far-fetched to me. When Judge was giving Benjamin pointers about securing the ball during his initial tryout, was he trying to "keep appearances" and make it look like he was ok with having him around while secretly plotting to cut him the first chance he got? I kinda think Judge has more important things to worry about than getting Machiavellian over a borderline player on a non-guaranteed contract.
Isn't it more logical to think that Judge is looking at every possibility to improve the team (as he often says), and agreed to take a look at a guy his GM suggested (the horror!)? GMs often bring aboard fringe players they're familiar with on no-risk flyers. Coaches cut them a lot of the time. Doesn't mean there's some internecine conflict going on between coach and GM.
Benjamin ate himself out of football, was given an opportunity to resuscitate his career, and he responded with behavior that would merit getting cut by virtually every NFL team. That's all I see here.
Stop making sense. These guys don't want to waste the sharpened tines on their pitchforks!
Judge played the part of placating just enough with Benjamin and Gettleman.
Yes indeed, he should be looking at every reason possible to improve the roster but probably realized early on that this was a joke being manufactured by an out-of-date GM and football player from yesteryear. He did what any smart coach would do, let the player and the GM fall on their sword and move on with the season...
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About Judge being dead set against Benjamin from the get-go and looking for any excuse to cut him seem far-fetched to me. When Judge was giving Benjamin pointers about securing the ball during his initial tryout, was he trying to "keep appearances" and make it look like he was ok with having him around while secretly plotting to cut him the first chance he got? I kinda think Judge has more important things to worry about than getting Machiavellian over a borderline player on a non-guaranteed contract.
Isn't it more logical to think that Judge is looking at every possibility to improve the team (as he often says), and agreed to take a look at a guy his GM suggested (the horror!)? GMs often bring aboard fringe players they're familiar with on no-risk flyers. Coaches cut them a lot of the time. Doesn't mean there's some internecine conflict going on between coach and GM.
Benjamin ate himself out of football, was given an opportunity to resuscitate his career, and he responded with behavior that would merit getting cut by virtually every NFL team. That's all I see here.
Stop making sense. These guys don't want to waste the sharpened tines on their pitchforks!
You are the closest thing I know to a human pitchfork...
Isn't it more logical to think that Judge is looking at every possibility to improve the team (as he often says), and agreed to take a look at a guy his GM suggested (the horror!)? GMs often bring aboard fringe players they're familiar with on no-risk flyers. Coaches cut them a lot of the time. Doesn't mean there's some internecine conflict going on between coach and GM.
Benjamin ate himself out of football, was given an opportunity to resuscitate his career, and he responded with behavior that would merit getting cut by virtually every NFL team. That's all I see here.
Pretty much this. Also, according to Benjamin's own story, Judge wasn't intending on cutting him, he was giving him a warning that was obviously a tactic to motivate him further. Benjamin took offense and walked out on the team. Also, no shit Judge wanted Benjamin to slim down to his WR playing weight, there's another TE on the roster that is basically a WR that plays at 240 LBs. Maybe they want a back-up with a similar, atheletic skillset in case he gets injured and misses game-time, which is not abnormal for Engram..
Benjamin has some issues he needs to work out because the dude sounds really immature.
“It was a bad fit from the get-go. If you would’ve put me with any other quarterback, let’s be real, you know what I’m saying? Any other accurate quarterback like [Aaron] Rodgers or Eli Manning or Big Ben — anybody! — quarterbacks with knowledge, that know how to place a ball and give you a better chance to catch the ball. It just felt like I wasn’t in that position.”
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About Judge being dead set against Benjamin from the get-go and looking for any excuse to cut him seem far-fetched to me. When Judge was giving Benjamin pointers about securing the ball during his initial tryout, was he trying to "keep appearances" and make it look like he was ok with having him around while secretly plotting to cut him the first chance he got? I kinda think Judge has more important things to worry about than getting Machiavellian over a borderline player on a non-guaranteed contract.
Isn't it more logical to think that Judge is looking at every possibility to improve the team (as he often says), and agreed to take a look at a guy his GM suggested (the horror!)? GMs often bring aboard fringe players they're familiar with on no-risk flyers. Coaches cut them a lot of the time. Doesn't mean there's some internecine conflict going on between coach and GM.
Benjamin ate himself out of football, was given an opportunity to resuscitate his career, and he responded with behavior that would merit getting cut by virtually every NFL team. That's all I see here.
Stop making sense. These guys don't want to waste the sharpened tines on their pitchforks!
Judge played the part of placating just enough with Benjamin and Gettleman.
Yes indeed, he should be looking at every reason possible to improve the roster but probably realized early on that this was a joke being manufactured by an out-of-date GM and football player from yesteryear. He did what any smart coach would do, let the player and the GM fall on their sword and move on with the season...
LOL. So this is the doing of a GM falling on their sword?? Fuck you guys like to imagine drama that doesn't exist./
That is okay. It doesn't mean anything. Coaches and GMs disagree all the time. That's life.